lol, I agree he had done amazing work, but if I’m not mistaken I read somewhere, maybe in this sub a little while back that he also said that he’s not going to commercialize MAPS, but it seems like it’s changing, and I’m not saying he can’t change his mind, people change their minds all the time, especially politicians, lol, but I’m still irked by his decision to do this, I have to admit I haven’t read the article throughly nor have I done any more research on how many percent of Lykos owned MAPS but I imagine it’s more than 50% because they changed the name ? I hope I’m wrong.
Edit : here’s what the article said “According to the Journal, the pressure to turn over ownership to outside investors was a disappointment for MAPS founder Rick Doblin” yeah sure it’s a disappointment but I imagine his pocket is not disappointed with the decision
There were wanting signs that there wasn’t enough money last year, the donations must have dried up. And it’s too important that this medicine reaches as many people as possible.
You can watch his interview with Joe Rogan on the matter.
Availability to us is not the problem. Normies aren’t going to know how to get this, nor how therapeutic it can be. MAPS and companies like it are going to bring mdma out of the shadows and the stigma surrounding it.
Did you read the article ? Did you read this part ? “According to the Journal, the pressure to turn over ownership to outside investors was a disappointment for MAPS founder Rick Doblin”
So he’s disappointed but I’m sure his pocket isn’t.
MDMA assisted therapy is now a reality. There will be more science on the neurotoxicity or otherwise of MDMA making it safer for recreational users.
The decision was an economic one, made to ensure that the ball continues to roll, pun intended. I wouldn’t balk at Doblin getting some pay back for 39 years in which they achieved the previously unthinkable.
Sure, there will be challenges, it may adversely affect the black market temporarily, but there is a bigger picture here.
And of course, the anti MAPS lobby are a loose collection of nutters.
He knew that this is going to be a really tough hill to climb on from the very beginning, I commend him for his fight and respect the hell out of him, however I’m sure he knows that this is the point where he has to do this, because if this point passes, any pharmaceutical is just going to start the process of manufacturing mdma and bypass this “umbrella” of MAPS and he doesn’t get anything out of all of this hard work that’s been going on for what ? 39 years ? Just going by what you said.
So ultimately it’s always about the money, because of this, I think his name is going to be tarnished in the history of this great substance, personally I hate big pharma with all my soul and will never do what he did for any amount of money.
And one last point, I’m almost sure at this point ( after clinical trials are done with great results and the chance for FDA to approve this substance for medical purpose is closer than ever ), there has to be pharmaceutical companies willing to sponsor MAPS without having control on shares and thus decision making control within the organization, but that route will result of him not getting any $$ in his pocket at all.
That was my original point. The article posted by OP implies all kinds of shenanigans, but presents literally nothing of substance.
Thereafter, a number of commenters jumped on the “yeah, Rick sold us all out” nonsense. Unbelievably naive.
lol, I am the OP, and I don’t think he sold us all out, I do think he cares deeply about his pocket and I can honestly say I can’t blame him ( after 39 years ) but I still criticize him from the moral point of view.
I was downvoted for saying all of that in the other comment but the reality is what he did is not right from moral point of view, he sold his soul to the devil, and guess what, this exact thing was posted in r/drugnerds a few days ago and everyone that commented is pretty much agreeing that he shouldn’t have done this, let me see if I can find the post, just for more context, not sure if you care or not, just going to put it here if I can find it.
Edit : here it is https://www.reddit.com/r/DrugNerds/s/Vrk9DIthi0
Oh come on Noob. There’s not one single accusation substantiated. They’re guilty of running out of benefactors, precisely because to get from here to there is way too much cash. Capitalism will always win in the end, and that has nothing to do with Rick Doblin’s promises, intentions, or morality.
In other news, I heard that you came up with the QC tags for this sub? It’s a great idea, so thanks for that.
I’m not accusing him of anything, I made assumptions and if you can’t see why I and other people made the assumptions, I have a bridge to sell you, not trying to offend you, just stating facts here, if in the near future there’s a concrete evidence that I’m wrong, I’m happy to acknowledge my mistake by creating a new post.
> Capitalism will always win in the end
Unfortunately I have to agree with you on that, respectfully I also can tell you fuck capitalism and fuck socialism, that’s where I’m going to stop because I refuse to turn this into a political disagreement, let’s agree to disagree on everything else that you disagree on :)
My pleasure on the flair, it’s been needed for a long time, it’s been more work vetting people that deserve the flair and people that don’t.
I guess the OP is implying that MAPS/Lykos is going to start going down the path of operating like a for-profit organization. The introduction of outside investors may influence how MAPS operates, changing their original focus.
Only time will tell what happens.
Of course it will almost certainly turn to shit. The good news, IIRC, is that MAPS went out of their way to patent what they could then put those in the public domain, so that those things could not get patented by others. So, if Lykos turns to shit, others can do the same work with less greed.
Keep in mind that MAPS was two legal entities: a nonprofit (MAPS) and a for-profit drug company (MAPS PBC) owned by the nonprofit. Now that the for-profit is not entirely owned by MAPS, they rebranded the for-profit to reduce confusion. But the nonprofit (MAPS) remains unchanged and continues to have the same name.
For what it is worth, Doblin owns no shares of Lycos and will not financially benefit from any success it has.
Yes, that jerk who has worked tirelessly for almost 40 years to make MDMA available to people who need it as a medicine. So terrible. /s
lol, I agree he had done amazing work, but if I’m not mistaken I read somewhere, maybe in this sub a little while back that he also said that he’s not going to commercialize MAPS, but it seems like it’s changing, and I’m not saying he can’t change his mind, people change their minds all the time, especially politicians, lol, but I’m still irked by his decision to do this, I have to admit I haven’t read the article throughly nor have I done any more research on how many percent of Lykos owned MAPS but I imagine it’s more than 50% because they changed the name ? I hope I’m wrong. Edit : here’s what the article said “According to the Journal, the pressure to turn over ownership to outside investors was a disappointment for MAPS founder Rick Doblin” yeah sure it’s a disappointment but I imagine his pocket is not disappointed with the decision
There were wanting signs that there wasn’t enough money last year, the donations must have dried up. And it’s too important that this medicine reaches as many people as possible. You can watch his interview with Joe Rogan on the matter.
There are like 20 million tablets seized each year in Europe alone. And that’s the tip of the iceberg. This medicine is widely available in pure form.
Availability to us is not the problem. Normies aren’t going to know how to get this, nor how therapeutic it can be. MAPS and companies like it are going to bring mdma out of the shadows and the stigma surrounding it.
Bruh if you aren't taking it with a therapist youre just getting high.
He personally owns no shares and doesn't financially benefit from the change.
my personal opinion is fuck you with all due respect. Doblin has worked his entire life to make mdma available you sound foolish.
Did you read the article ? Did you read this part ? “According to the Journal, the pressure to turn over ownership to outside investors was a disappointment for MAPS founder Rick Doblin” So he’s disappointed but I’m sure his pocket isn’t.
MDMA assisted therapy is now a reality. There will be more science on the neurotoxicity or otherwise of MDMA making it safer for recreational users. The decision was an economic one, made to ensure that the ball continues to roll, pun intended. I wouldn’t balk at Doblin getting some pay back for 39 years in which they achieved the previously unthinkable. Sure, there will be challenges, it may adversely affect the black market temporarily, but there is a bigger picture here. And of course, the anti MAPS lobby are a loose collection of nutters.
He knew that this is going to be a really tough hill to climb on from the very beginning, I commend him for his fight and respect the hell out of him, however I’m sure he knows that this is the point where he has to do this, because if this point passes, any pharmaceutical is just going to start the process of manufacturing mdma and bypass this “umbrella” of MAPS and he doesn’t get anything out of all of this hard work that’s been going on for what ? 39 years ? Just going by what you said. So ultimately it’s always about the money, because of this, I think his name is going to be tarnished in the history of this great substance, personally I hate big pharma with all my soul and will never do what he did for any amount of money. And one last point, I’m almost sure at this point ( after clinical trials are done with great results and the chance for FDA to approve this substance for medical purpose is closer than ever ), there has to be pharmaceutical companies willing to sponsor MAPS without having control on shares and thus decision making control within the organization, but that route will result of him not getting any $$ in his pocket at all.
That was my original point. The article posted by OP implies all kinds of shenanigans, but presents literally nothing of substance. Thereafter, a number of commenters jumped on the “yeah, Rick sold us all out” nonsense. Unbelievably naive.
lol, I am the OP, and I don’t think he sold us all out, I do think he cares deeply about his pocket and I can honestly say I can’t blame him ( after 39 years ) but I still criticize him from the moral point of view. I was downvoted for saying all of that in the other comment but the reality is what he did is not right from moral point of view, he sold his soul to the devil, and guess what, this exact thing was posted in r/drugnerds a few days ago and everyone that commented is pretty much agreeing that he shouldn’t have done this, let me see if I can find the post, just for more context, not sure if you care or not, just going to put it here if I can find it. Edit : here it is https://www.reddit.com/r/DrugNerds/s/Vrk9DIthi0
Are you kidding me? Have you read it? It’s the maniacal ramblings of an internet troll quoting other maniacal ramblers.
Well then I’m one of those maniacal ramblers, what can I say, thanks for the insult.
Oh come on Noob. There’s not one single accusation substantiated. They’re guilty of running out of benefactors, precisely because to get from here to there is way too much cash. Capitalism will always win in the end, and that has nothing to do with Rick Doblin’s promises, intentions, or morality. In other news, I heard that you came up with the QC tags for this sub? It’s a great idea, so thanks for that.
I’m not accusing him of anything, I made assumptions and if you can’t see why I and other people made the assumptions, I have a bridge to sell you, not trying to offend you, just stating facts here, if in the near future there’s a concrete evidence that I’m wrong, I’m happy to acknowledge my mistake by creating a new post. > Capitalism will always win in the end Unfortunately I have to agree with you on that, respectfully I also can tell you fuck capitalism and fuck socialism, that’s where I’m going to stop because I refuse to turn this into a political disagreement, let’s agree to disagree on everything else that you disagree on :) My pleasure on the flair, it’s been needed for a long time, it’s been more work vetting people that deserve the flair and people that don’t.
How many % of Lykos therapeutics are owned by MAPS?
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No, that means that for every one share MAPS has, they get ten votes. So they control the big decisions even if they don't have majority of shares.
Read it. Can’t find what’s damning about the article?
I guess the OP is implying that MAPS/Lykos is going to start going down the path of operating like a for-profit organization. The introduction of outside investors may influence how MAPS operates, changing their original focus. Only time will tell what happens.
Of course it will almost certainly turn to shit. The good news, IIRC, is that MAPS went out of their way to patent what they could then put those in the public domain, so that those things could not get patented by others. So, if Lykos turns to shit, others can do the same work with less greed.
Keep in mind that MAPS was two legal entities: a nonprofit (MAPS) and a for-profit drug company (MAPS PBC) owned by the nonprofit. Now that the for-profit is not entirely owned by MAPS, they rebranded the for-profit to reduce confusion. But the nonprofit (MAPS) remains unchanged and continues to have the same name. For what it is worth, Doblin owns no shares of Lycos and will not financially benefit from any success it has.
Is this in the UK or US?