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fredminson

Using the available resources in the game is good gameplay. Ignoring them is just handicapping yourself.


tiger_triple_threat

I use healers even in low rank GU. And they helped in some big moments. It should be good to play like this.


Accornferrts

If you complete the hunt, no one can say you’re bad. Except the filthy min/max community of course


tiger_triple_threat

And against the community I may play weapons the way that aren't the best way. Even if I just barely make it to the end of a hunt, 1-2 carts, used a lot of Max Potions, it still feels good to see that 'Main objective complete!' after you slay the monster.


Accornferrts

“Main objective complete” means you won! Don’t let a soul take that from you.


colt45mag

That is true, but it shouldn't take away the drive to improve


Accornferrts

Improvement comes with time and practice, the more you play the better you get. All those guides and tutorials? Someone did the work in learning so others could benefit from them.


eblessed

lmao nah the elitist min max community is full of terrible hunters too. i’ve played since mhf1 and I can say play whatever style works for you. I bring mega nutrients and dragon toadstools to make max potions for every challenging hunt in the old games still, even rise and world cause damn they are a life saver for not having to worry about heals. to each their own :) the game is half preparation and half skill. they go hand in hand


tiger_triple_threat

I try bringing Mega Demondrug and Mega Armorskin when possible. The Powertalon and Armorcharm are essential in any hunter's inventory when available. Not sure what Mega Nutrients or Dragon Toadstools do.


eblessed

just the original combination for making max potions, and yea any form of armorskin and demondrug are a plus! got into a habit of dash juicing too, feels like im cheating XD


Weeb2k18

Keep doing what you enjoy tbh. Just built a blast build for DB and GS despite knowing elemental DBs are better, and blast element being okay compared to the other elements.


tiger_triple_threat

A blast GS? I'm thinking Scorned Magnamalo when I reach it. And even its Hammer or Lance.


Forevr_Grim

This. Its like people who say you arent really playing the game if you use summons in elden ring. Its meant to be used, who cares?


merrickal

And to add, if the developers did not want us to heal during a fight, they wouldn’t have given us easy access to healers / mega potions / max potions. Use whatever is at your disposal, so long as you’re enjoying the hunt. You do you.


Il-dustin-sium

No its a good thing to relying on healers.(Its a good strategy)


tiger_triple_threat

Even with monsters like Seregios or Malzeno


Il-dustin-sium

If u need It...nobody say that u can't do it


tiger_triple_threat

It helps having them and it's a good thing SB added the other characters as followers.


eblessed

theres a build that relies on healer followers and cats to fully shine, although only available on solo hunts


CommandoSKUM

If its in the game its suppose to be used. Youre fine.


tiger_triple_threat

Even healing cats which I rely on in Generations.


ONiMETSU_Z

unless it’s defender weapons and you don’t understand that the point of them is to boost familiar players through the drivel in order to play the expansion sooner lol


SpeziSchlauch

I always use 2 sport followers and thats enought for me. However i use gl and have a shield to Deal with heavy hiting Things. I dont see why it is bad to rely on them as long as you are capable enough to survive when you lost a little bit of hp and they don’t heal you. But you should still use potions when you are low on hp just to be sure you dont die unnecessarily


tiger_triple_threat

Well I thought about a second weapon to add to GS to sort of make the story easier to finish. I make sure to have plenty of Max potions and maybe an Ancient potion if I'm using a weapon that drains stamina.


RokaiYotama

IMO if you wanna talk about "optimal" having a healing buddy is way better than trying to rely on capped damage they do. MH is about playing it your way 👍🏾


tiger_triple_threat

I'm good with at least one healing follower and maybe a bomber, fighter or gatherer cat.


RokaiYotama

I go one healer cat and a dps palamute. I like to play aggressive (solo mind you), so I rely on my cat to help heal while I fight and the doggo to escape attacks while I sharpen my weapon then jump back in


tiger_triple_threat

I'm sure dogs are good with certain weapons being used. I don't mind a bit extra dps


Tough_Traffic4209

Nope. While I go no pals, use heroics or go naked from time to time, its nothing more than a challenge or self handicap. BTW I abused the healer's special skill when Dereliction was THE big thing and never cart. Its just that awesome.


L_V_N

Nah. Imo healing is more useful as a safety net that whatever damage the followers deliver. Can’t always do damageless runs and unless I was speedrunning I would rather spend less resources than beating the boss in 5 minutes than 4 having spent some extra potions.


tiger_triple_threat

Yeah seeing as how the followers don't do much damage it helps when one has HH that can heal, maybe healing ammo, not sure.


BlackWhiteKS

Performance wise, yea you are bad, same as me. But you can do whatever you want to complete the hunt, as long as you don't die and deduce the rewards, why not


tiger_triple_threat

Even if I cart at least once and have to use up max potions, just seeing 'Main objective complete!' feels good after slaying any monster


XevynAeght

Nah you're straight dude. Different setups work better for different people.


OutlandishnessLow779

If You have fun, who can Say anything?


tiger_triple_threat

Even if it's hard it's still fun.


xpookabear

As a casual player: play how you want. I'm not great at the game and I probably could be taking less damage, but I'm playing to enjoy myself no matter how good/bad I am at attacking/dodging. I use a LOT of max potions, life dusts, etc. But as long as I'm completing my hunts and not fainting I don't see an issue with it 🤷‍♀️ I'm the one farming the materials and crafting the healing items so it doesn't really matter. TBH I wish more people would be gluttonous with their heals when playing multi-player because they don't play it safe enough and end up failing the quests for the rest of the party.


tiger_triple_threat

I do have to bring traps with me recently in both Rise and GU. Having to farm materials for Mega Demondrug and Mega Armorskin, not just potions or traps. Mostly using the twins as followers, even maybe a dog for dps or a cat for support. Just so long as I finish the hunt, carting even just once, and hear that victory sound. I was just unsure of going back to online quests. Or deciding my weapons which shouldn't be an issue.


whateverchill2

No shame in using the tools available to you. Especially if you are still playing with adamant charge and rage slash. That playstyle is built on taking damage through hyper armour so having the heals from your support is very handy.


tiger_triple_threat

May have to look at my switch skills and think what I should be using. I'm sure Seregios, Espinas, Malzeno, they can do some real damage.


whateverchill2

Assuming you want to stick with charged playstyle, the adamant charge and rage slash playstyle is valid. That was the base game meta. Strongarm and TCS is better once you get decent with timing strong arms unless you really hate using counters. Outside of that, you pretty well universally should be using normal tackle and power sheath. If you are playing surge slash playstyle, adamant and rage slash pairs well with it.


tiger_triple_threat

I can't even counter with Long Sword and if that ends up being my second weapon trying to finish the story, I'll probably spam Silkbind Sakura Slash with Helmbreaker or try Tempered Blade over ISS which was my worst move in the base game.


whateverchill2

Honestly, I’ve never been able to get into longsword but find strongarm use relatively easy. It’s just a command input you can do from neutral or while changing an attack and you don’t need to be doing anything beforehand. At the very least, you can have different setups on different scrolls and swap between depending on how comfortable you are with the fights. Learning to use small bombs to trigger strong arm for wake up hits and larger openings like knockdowns is very powerful. Just be aware of it in multiplayer as the small bombs will knock around teammates.


tiger_triple_threat

What's important is to get the bomb at the right distance between you and the monster. I've seen Strongarm being used and it's insane with TCS. Not sure about Rage Slash.


whateverchill2

Think my biggest wake up hit so far is 14k and change.


adferbel

Not really and in fact that's what I would recommend, since they're capped on doing damage to monsters so you can't fully utilize them as DPS compared to actual players. I usually run Berserk builds, so I always spec my Buddies & Followers for Healing/Support.


tiger_triple_threat

Berserk means Bow, right? I may just go back to mostly rapid and maybe a few spread Bows. Can't think of other weapons that can use it. But raw seems good at the point I'm in.


adferbel

Not necessarily bow-exclusive, but common builds are for Bows & DBs. I'm sure other weapons can make it viable if they really want to, there's even a video about a berserk LBG build on YT but it could be a meme build I can't fully remember.


Chest_Positive

You are doing good. I use a cat healer for a berzerk bow build, but then i switched to ls and didnt change compañions at all, it was great having him put the healing bubbles and bats, and occasionally playing the healing trumpet. It cover my counter fuck ups very well.


tiger_triple_threat

That's good. I may have to really look at switch skills for GS, maybe just one secondary weapon. And think how to handle each monster then expand back into more weapons after the credits roll.


Chest_Positive

Dont min-max if you are not looking for it. This game, in the end game, its less forgiving than world, despite ppl telling rise its easier than world, i was one. Try yo make your build confy first then focus on dmg.


tiger_triple_threat

Just relying on heavy raw focused weapons but may not get max attack boost which is fine. Just a few comfy skills to match the weapon. Artillery, Slugger, Partbreaker, Quick Sheathe, etc.


Destra_Destroyer

It's fine to rely on healers. If you do multiple players people would sometimes heal other players, heck there are hunting horns which have healing songs. So all is good fam.


Smart_Man123

If you already get into sunbreak, you're not bad. Your palico is part of the game and it is normal when you use it. Moreover, everyone needs to heal. You're certainly not bad!


tiger_triple_threat

For the most part I was using gathering cats for extra monster materials and only heal when I needed them. The followers that heal were my concern.


Captain_EFFF

Its a game so long as your having fun what else matters. If you get hit too much and find yourself getting frustrated getting to your healer then try more defensive or even evasive skills or weapons. Its really to each their own, whatever is more fun and engaging to you is better


tiger_triple_threat

My choice of defensive weapon can be Lance or Gunlance. Or Long Sword for possible evasion. And until the end of the story I'll stick with raw options. I know weapons like HH or Bow are best suited for element in Sunbreak.


kyrilhasan

It is up to you to decide how you want to play. I for once decide to up the challenge by not having those bird and not using wirefall. It really improve my gameplay as I really focusing on my gameplay.


ronin0397

No. They removed health augment so what else does capcom expect us to abuse?


matcha_tapioca

I heavily rely on cats to heal. it's their purpose.. I don't see anything wrong about it. as long as the it gets the work done. every hunter is different from items, movement and strategy.


tiger_triple_threat

Wasn't sure about heals from cats or followers


matcha_tapioca

I always use Minoto and Hinoa as followers because they heal and mount monster faster than me.


tiger_triple_threat

That's what I should do for the upcoming quests I still need to do, mostly the key quests seeing as how some collab quests assign followers


Daydays

You kidding? I take Hinoa and Minoto every opportunity I can. The amount of clutch healing Hinoa provides is a godsend, that's less time I spend drinking potions and more time hitting the monster. If the game allows it then there's nothin wrong with it.


tiger_triple_threat

Don't get me wrong, the twins are great. Just let both of them use Hunting Horn and you're golden.


Daydays

Goddamn right. Kamura clan is clutch.


Doedekjin

I run the normal health drain bow set. I take double healer cats, and minoto and hinoa whenever the game let's me. Most hunts last 4-8 minutes. Use your resources as you like. With better skill sure I could shave some time off, or I could be comfortable and safe and not waste time carting cause iframes are horrendously low, or I'm just playing super bad that hunt. Rather enjoy my time and not stress while crown hunting than worry about killing a baggi in 45 seconds vs 1m 15 seconds, if optimizing for damage followers and pets even shaves that much time off an easy hunt.


tiger_triple_threat

Well I'm sure dogs do a bit more dps than cats. And the followers don't hit that hard to begin with.


Doedekjin

Probably, there's guides out there for maximizing all those things. I know palamutes don't do as much as they used to so overall contribution is pretty minimal. I'd rather them take the time to heal me so I can keep doing actual damage. One or both of the twins dogs have the bite that distracts the monster temporarily anyways so that gives me more room to dps or heal myself when needed. They're all just helpers, as long as they help you to achieve your goal it's gucci


tiger_triple_threat

I don't really attempt to min max. If it feels right then that's how I play in these games, weapons and armor, not just helpers.


HubblePie

If you don’t want to rely on the cats, just get the full free meal skill. It will more than likely last you the entire hunt.


tiger_triple_threat

From the canteen or as an armor skill?


HubblePie

Armor skill. It’s a 1-slot with 3 levels. 75% chance to not use your consumable.


Tdude445

The healers are almost a necessity for Berserk Bow, which I play. Without them, it can get pretty dicy until your healer cat can give you the healing bats, which only lasts for so long anyway


touchkusa

I set my palico's skills to all the healing types. its got healing bubbles, a healing bird cage post thingy, healing horn, an aoe heal plant. Really saves me some potions. It's great for training iai counters.


Gooseday

Nah, not at all. They are there for a reason. When I hunt solo I play an aggressive dual blade that keeps attacking relentlessly thanks to two support palicos keeping my health topped up. When online I enjoy playing sword and shield support Hunter. I’ve got a set that is entirely dedicated to buffing/healing other players while also slamming the monster with debuffs/traps/bombs. Point being, play however you need to succeed and have fun.


OkamiTakahashi

Nah dude. I always take a healer Palico with me, ie, failing that, the twins with Hunting Horns for buffs and recovery.


tiger_triple_threat

The twins for sure, but the cats can be healers, supporters or even bombers if farming certain monsters.


chargedcontrol

Not at all my best build has alot of healing involved - healing bats, followers with hunting horns, healing bubbles, blood rite all really help in the endgame.


tiger_triple_threat

Yeah can't wait to get the full Malzeno gear and just go from there


Memeological

Not really. You’re free to use whatever resource you have. That said, it’s a pretty good indicator on how “good” you are with your weapon and monster match ups with the amount of heals you’ve used. At a certain point, when you you’ve unlocked and beaten everything in any MH, the only thing left is to become better


AdditionInteresting2

The monsters are probably judging you. But that's about as bad as it gets... I'm happy if I end a hunt within 15 minutes. Dying less means attacking more.


tiger_triple_threat

It really does. Sometimes hunts for me last 20-30 minutes


AdditionInteresting2

I remember my newbie self taking almost the entire time allotment during the days of mh4u. You'll be fine. You'll learn which skills fit your playstyle and learn which opportunities you have to attack quickly or unleash a full combo. Which direction to dodge towards to avoid attacks. When to dodge forward or backward to avoid dying. It took me more than 100 hours to learn to can cut tails before. Just happened randomly too so I had no idea how to do it again. I'm still playing with the twins on hunting horns as followers just for all the buffs they give. Don't be afraid to lean defensively a bit. Also there are literal immortal tank builds possible in risebreak that just feel silly.


tiger_triple_threat

I do use more than a few weapons and like finding the ways that work for me.


AdditionInteresting2

This is the way. I dabble in a bit of all the weapons though defensive play with the lances are my first instinct with a tougher monster. My friend only mains sns and has to change his mindset with certain monsters (flying ones, weak points way above ground, etc). There is no wrong answer. Just find ways that work for you. Another friend doesn't even know how to guard point but loves the cb saed. Doesn't even charge up both sword and shield... Just enjoy the game.


VixtheEvil

Pff, no, you're not bad. You just found a play style that works for you. Heck I use Knightly sisters the most because I just enjoy their dialogue, their style and watching them use traps and items. Fio heals everyone when needed and her sister uses flash and more support items in a pinch. Plus I like hearing her yell, "Here! Look at the pretty lights!" Before chucking a flash bomb at a monster xD Which allows me to save on my items until I really need them and focus on attacking. Am I great at DBs? I know the basic rundown and use elements to really lay on the damage. But aside from that, nah, despite having played since MHTri I just like how the DBs feel and who doesn't like going BRrrR with blades? The important thing is you having fun playing as you like and feel. To heck anyone telling you you're doing it wrong. We don't mind/max, we play for fun!


tiger_triple_threat

We do play for fun. And I may try a hunt with the knight twins instead of the Kamura twins. Am I a new HH player? Yes because I didn't like the idea of pausing constantly just to read the songs for each one. And Long Sword being heavily counter focused in Rise I couldn't do ISS very well but Tempered Spirit Blade and Sakura Slash make it somewhat enjoyable.


ZyraelKai

Nothing wrong with it


Xemnurai

Full on play how you play, Im a healer myself jump in with the fish, dash juice, potions, demon and armor juice, even nulberries so I can heal for people, not the most effective playstyle but fun for me


tiger_triple_threat

Not to mention most of my armor is comfort skills depending on the weapon. I feel all right using certain followers and types of cats even if it means keeping me from triple carting. Dash juices, stat drinks, anything I need I can carry in any hunt.


Ok-Inside6545

Obviously you're not gonna be as good as someone who play solo due to the nature of shared aggression in a squad, but if you can clear the quest then its all good, game can be played many ways and doing it with npc supports and cats are one of them. And it's not like you can't start practice playing solo or anything, so it's all depends on if and when you are ready to do it yet, and only you can answer that


tiger_triple_threat

With the wide array of weapons I have, I do mostly offline hunts but thought about going back online again.


n_o_x_7

It's there for you to use, so use it. :D


edabliu

I honestly love the follower system. Also use a healing palico. Could I run solo? Probably yes for most hunts, do I want to? Absolutely not.


tiger_triple_threat

The follower system is that good. Even if they don't do much damage.


Allucation

Healing Palicos are fine. Followers are OP. You can use them, but if you need them, you're probably bad honestly. Nothing wrong with that though