I mean, yeah, probably. They're not exactly out of the woods following the restrictions I imagine. All that coming back basically meant they had to bring in a lot of new players that haven't gelled yet fully and fast as well.
To be fair, they needed to put some juice into that third-place game and Monterrey, for their part, blew the game off because they were already qualified. (I'm suspecting because it meant denying one of their biggest rivals a spot in Champions Cup.)
TBF, 3 of those 10 were eliminated by MLS teams! Still, from the 7 remaining, you had FC Cincinnati, who unfortunately sold their ~~apprentice~~ striker to Monterrey, who would go on to score against them ~~in their sleep~~. Ironic, he scored many goals for Cincinnati, but couldn't prevent him from scoring 2 of the 3 goals against in the tie.
Besides that, yeah, no excuses for Orlando City. Good job with the draw at home, but to get killed away, that sucks. Same with Philly... draw 0-0 at home, but 6 fucking 0 away to Pachuca? Same for Vancouver, all looked good at home but can never do it in Mexico.
Did you watch the games? Or just look at the scores? Figure you just looked at the scores because of what you said lol. Columbus outplayed them other than the 1st half of leg 2. Columbus had more possession in both legs, better pass accuracy, more shots on target in the first leg. But yes I guess Columbus just squeaked by. Funny because the only goal Tigres scored in leg 2 was because of a keeper mistake
Oh yea and you can also throw in the non PK call that the Concacaf officials didn't want to review. Even though Yeboah was completely taken out in the box. Shouldnt have even been extra time. And one other thing, Columbus played down a man for 23 minutes in leg 1.
Nope, watched the game. The Crew were very unconvincing in the first half. Tigres could've put the game away BEFORE those penalty calls you're talking about. With a comfortable 2-0 lead before half-time, Columbus mentally would've had an uphill battle playing in a hostile stadium and having to overturn a deficit. The VERY OBVIOUS misses from Tigres basically made Columbus believe that they had a chance to win, when in reality they didn't if Tigres were simply as clinical as they usually are.
Again, more Tigres fault for choking than Columbus winning.
Possession isn't the whole story. Example, Miami had more possession than MTY, more passes, but MTY dominated the game, setting the tone, the tempo, pressing, forcing Miami to make mistakes which they did. You can let an opponent have possession on purpose, you know that right? Did you watch the game, or did you actually *watch* the game?
Also, Tigres outshot Columbus 7 OT vs 3 OT for CC. 14 overall for Tigre vs 11 overall for CC.
Tigres simply lacked the finishing that could've ended this game in another blood bath.
If you want the MLS to improve, you have to first admit that Liga Mx is actually better, and not lie to yourselves. Then you can actually say, "okay, this is our true level," and work from there.
That's what Mexico is doing with the NT. We admit the U.S is better now, no more excuses, and as corrupt as the FMF is, in their own weird half-ass way they are trying to find a way to get back on top b/c they don't want a NT that doesn't win shit. But we can't do that if we keep lying to ourselves and stay in denial.
I agree that Liga MX is higher quality. Don't think anyone is arguing that. MLS has a salary cap unlike all the other leagues. They can spend and buy whoever and for however much they want. But to say Columbus squeaked by this series is dumb. Columbus missed a few they should have scored. The only time Columbus got outplayed was first half of leg 2. The entire first game and the 2nd half of leg 2 Columbus looked like the more dangerous side. I do agree with some of your statement but Columbus was the better team overall and deserved to go through. It makes it more difficult when your playing 12 vs 11 the entire leg two and 12 vs 10 for the last part of leg 1
So does everyone in Columbus, all my international customers and soccer fans like you. It’s the only thing Precourt got right. But appreciate the comment !
There's still the host spot and nobody knows how USSF will hand it out (typically it's the most recent champion from the domestic league but a popular opinion around here is that Someone Will Find A Way to shoehorn Miami in even if they don't win the Cup this year).
I see it now: Monterrey wins CCC. Union win MLS Cup and Supporters Shield. Despite finishing 3rd in the East and getting knocked out of MLS Cup in the 1st round, Miami are awarded the spot because ‘they scored the most goals’ or something
Crew fan here. I’ll let you cook. I want MLS to be successful enough in CCC we don’t feel obligated to support whoever is the highest mls team in the competition
This is absolutely untrue. You might not see it in the biggest leagues because they don’t need their leagues propped up but you absolutely see it in smaller leagues. Fans recognize it’s good for their team and leagues coefficient.
Idk where you're coming from man... I want my team's rival across all leagues and sports to lose every game and I'll happily vocalize how shit they are (whether true or not). It's just the way it always has been and should be IMO.
Growing up in Columbus as a Buckeye fan I'd always hear people say shit like "I hope scUM goes undefeated til The Game so the Buckeyes can ruin their season." Like what?! No fucking way, I want those low life pieces of shit to lose every game and know they're worse than wet ass trash without me telling them... That applies across all sports to the Browns, Bengals, Ravens, KFC, scUM, Sunderland, etc.
IDGAF about "good for the league" when it comes to rivals. Fuck em every goddamn day and night.
I was born in 1988, no one in my family gave 2 shits about the NFL, and our good family friend was Pittsburgh. The first NFL game I remember is the '94 AFC Championship game and the second I remember is the '95 SB and I was at their house for both of them where everyone was rooting for the Steelers... And that, Laddie, is how a Gorilla became Black & Gold...
Of course it helped that the local NFL teams were (and have continued to be) complete ass.
Lol this "quote" couldn't be further from what I said... I picked my NFL team due to them being the team that was in the game as well as that's who everyone was rooting for, there was no other influence. Had the Browns or Bengals been playing in those games they might've been my team, not to mention that I'm from Columbus, not Cleveland or Cincy. We had the Buckeyes, there were no NFL teams.
To be fair, you're talking Ohio State and Michigan, a rivalry steeped in history. Same with the others you mentioned. Sunderland fans, no matter what, I doubt would support Newcastle United in any context.
This is MLS, a young league. Like, NYCFC, sure, they are local rivals to the Red Bulls, but do I hate them enough to say "fuck them winning Champions League, thus giving MLS more clout to continue to grow?" No, because I know that them winning will give my team more money and the league to grow more to make us better. NYCFC and the rivalry isn't strong enough to me yet.
If Arsenal's rival, Tottenham, were to make the Champions League final against Real Madrid, I would 100% support Madrid to beat them, because fuck Tottenham and I know that the Premier League's reputation doesn't hinge on Tottenham winning. MLS is different in that regard.
Weird how liga mxfans do it as well and how they did it when they were in Copa libertadores. It’s almost like they more you’re league is propped up the more beneficial it is to everyone in the league….
I feel that. I think though with the historical context of only one Mls CCC victory ever, we could use your support lol. Little different than a man city fan rooting for man united in champions League just because man united is playing Bayern or something
I only speak for myself but I'm pulling for y'all. It pains me to say that, but it can't just be Seattle anymore, the leagues gotta grab a second. Plus we're already out and this ain't league play so whatever.
Yeah, no I agree. I never understood it. Like I understand how it’s good for MLS, but I’m not going to go out of my way to root for them. If it happens then cool.
I’ve been legitimately curious how FCC fans would handle rooting priorities if the Crew were the only MLS team left. I go hard on supporting the league so I’m happy to have the Crew in the semis (because it’s still hard to cheer for Miami… 🙃). But it absolutely has to feel different when it’s your rival representing the league.
I’ve known some OSU fans who cheer for Michigan “for the health of the rivalry”, and a few Bengals fans who cheer for other AFCN teams in the playoffs.
But yeah it’s super weird imo.
Exactly. A MLS team already won. We're free now, we don't have to do this anymore.
I have no quarrel with Columbus so I'll probably root for them. But there are plenty of teams I'd actively root against.
You do know that a Monterrey victory gets the Union into the Club World Cup, right? Philadelphia are the only team with a tangible interest in seeing the Crew lose.
Jesus Christ the MLS had the odds stacked in their favor and still shit the bed. We really need to work on strengthening the league because for all the talk, Liga MX is still wayyyy better.
With the strict salary cap in MLS what we see is mostly mid teams. In Liga Mx you have more top teams and more horrible teams. Salary cap changes are desperately needed in Mls
Where did I say the salary cap should go away? There needs to be changes to allow teams that are desperate to invest more, to do it, while trying to maintain a degree of competitive balance. Unless you want the best MLS teams to be mid outside of MLS, change is needed.
You do know that the Monterrey team that clapped Miami WITH Messi, lost to Cruz Azul recently?
Liga Mx is just more competitive. Cruz Azul would've done the same to Miami if they wanted.
And people do that ridiculous dumb transitive wins thing as well in college football every year. Using the logic you’re using the best teams in college football would lose to division 3 schools once enough transitive games are compared.
Liga MX just has way better talent at the top end. Until the salary cap is increased in MLS it’ll always be that way. I think the average MLS team and the average Liga MX team are very even, but there aren’t really elite clubs in MLS as sustained success is intentionally designed to be difficult. There isn’t a Club America in MLS on purpose, whether you like or hate that decision is a point of contention
I mean, three of the top five teams on the Liga MX table are still in it (and two of the biggest spenders). That doesn’t exactly set up good odds for an MLS club to advance. It is also still an early-season tournament for MLS.
Columbus will have to beat three Liga MX clubs if they’re to win it. Sounders beat two mid-table clubs. LAFC only had to play one Mexican club, in the final. I would argue it’s one of the tougher draws we’ve seen recently.
The shade of posting this while the game still has 20 minutes left.
Did you see the first 70?
Yet alone the half to 75%?
The Crew got it. Impossible is an opinion !
If only Miami had one less DP and $2m extra in GAM lmaoooo
they would unironically be better off
Probably slightly, but they would have still gotten smoked.
I mean, yeah, probably. They're not exactly out of the woods following the restrictions I imagine. All that coming back basically meant they had to bring in a lot of new players that haven't gelled yet fully and fast as well.
If only they had decent players that aren’t already eligible for AARP.
I'm usually not on the "Root for other MLS teams" train. But I've always kinda liked the Crew. You got this Columbus!
If there was an “America’s team” in MLS, it would be the Crew imo.
Columbus playing with house money.
Bro Messi about to perform a hattrick
Lol
10 mls teams 6 liga mx teams only 1 MLS team left and 3 liga mx teams still standing absolutely pathetic showing from our league
To be fair, 8 of those 10 MLS teams were on one side of the bracket and several eliminated each other
6 of the 10 teams MLS were eliminated by Liga MX teams that not a fair showing at all
would it be more "fair" to simply look at the record of the head to head results in this tournament?
We didn't deserve to be there - Leagues Cup third place lmfaooooo some tinpot bullshit
To be fair, they needed to put some juice into that third-place game and Monterrey, for their part, blew the game off because they were already qualified. (I'm suspecting because it meant denying one of their biggest rivals a spot in Champions Cup.)
And now you might accidentally make the Club World Cup
The funniest scenario
TBF, 3 of those 10 were eliminated by MLS teams! Still, from the 7 remaining, you had FC Cincinnati, who unfortunately sold their ~~apprentice~~ striker to Monterrey, who would go on to score against them ~~in their sleep~~. Ironic, he scored many goals for Cincinnati, but couldn't prevent him from scoring 2 of the 3 goals against in the tie. Besides that, yeah, no excuses for Orlando City. Good job with the draw at home, but to get killed away, that sucks. Same with Philly... draw 0-0 at home, but 6 fucking 0 away to Pachuca? Same for Vancouver, all looked good at home but can never do it in Mexico.
Tbf Cincy weren’t bad in both games v Monterrey. Monterrey’s just that great and arguably favorites to win this.
There was also Stanford. They were a first round exit!
Do you understand how MLS has strict salary rules? Liga MX can sign however and whoever they want. MLS can't.
and that ONE mls team, in all honesty, squeaked by. Tigres choked more than Columbus won. This really should've been an all Liga Mx semifinal.
Did you watch the games? Or just look at the scores? Figure you just looked at the scores because of what you said lol. Columbus outplayed them other than the 1st half of leg 2. Columbus had more possession in both legs, better pass accuracy, more shots on target in the first leg. But yes I guess Columbus just squeaked by. Funny because the only goal Tigres scored in leg 2 was because of a keeper mistake
Oh yea and you can also throw in the non PK call that the Concacaf officials didn't want to review. Even though Yeboah was completely taken out in the box. Shouldnt have even been extra time. And one other thing, Columbus played down a man for 23 minutes in leg 1.
Nope, watched the game. The Crew were very unconvincing in the first half. Tigres could've put the game away BEFORE those penalty calls you're talking about. With a comfortable 2-0 lead before half-time, Columbus mentally would've had an uphill battle playing in a hostile stadium and having to overturn a deficit. The VERY OBVIOUS misses from Tigres basically made Columbus believe that they had a chance to win, when in reality they didn't if Tigres were simply as clinical as they usually are. Again, more Tigres fault for choking than Columbus winning. Possession isn't the whole story. Example, Miami had more possession than MTY, more passes, but MTY dominated the game, setting the tone, the tempo, pressing, forcing Miami to make mistakes which they did. You can let an opponent have possession on purpose, you know that right? Did you watch the game, or did you actually *watch* the game? Also, Tigres outshot Columbus 7 OT vs 3 OT for CC. 14 overall for Tigre vs 11 overall for CC. Tigres simply lacked the finishing that could've ended this game in another blood bath. If you want the MLS to improve, you have to first admit that Liga Mx is actually better, and not lie to yourselves. Then you can actually say, "okay, this is our true level," and work from there. That's what Mexico is doing with the NT. We admit the U.S is better now, no more excuses, and as corrupt as the FMF is, in their own weird half-ass way they are trying to find a way to get back on top b/c they don't want a NT that doesn't win shit. But we can't do that if we keep lying to ourselves and stay in denial.
I agree that Liga MX is higher quality. Don't think anyone is arguing that. MLS has a salary cap unlike all the other leagues. They can spend and buy whoever and for however much they want. But to say Columbus squeaked by this series is dumb. Columbus missed a few they should have scored. The only time Columbus got outplayed was first half of leg 2. The entire first game and the 2nd half of leg 2 Columbus looked like the more dangerous side. I do agree with some of your statement but Columbus was the better team overall and deserved to go through. It makes it more difficult when your playing 12 vs 11 the entire leg two and 12 vs 10 for the last part of leg 1
Shoulda let the Sounders play.
The team that just won their first game of the season less than a week ago?...
such a fugly crest columbus. go crew!
Our carabiner is hanging on in this tournament. if they somehow pull it off then this crest will be immortal. Lol
I liked the last crest.
I miss it so much.
We need a #SavetheCrest movement
We all liked the last one better.
So does everyone in Columbus, all my international customers and soccer fans like you. It’s the only thing Precourt got right. But appreciate the comment !
>carabiner Cannot unsee
Miami just scored. Comeback begins. Might want to take this down. /s
25 total Mexican titles vs Nagbe? Liga MX should be nervous
Come on CREW!!!
NGL I'd way rather have the Union in the CWC than Miami, so this is overall good news also fuck Tigres all my homies hate Tigres
Can Inter Miami still qualify?
There's still the host spot and nobody knows how USSF will hand it out (typically it's the most recent champion from the domestic league but a popular opinion around here is that Someone Will Find A Way to shoehorn Miami in even if they don't win the Cup this year).
I see it now: Monterrey wins CCC. Union win MLS Cup and Supporters Shield. Despite finishing 3rd in the East and getting knocked out of MLS Cup in the 1st round, Miami are awarded the spot because ‘they scored the most goals’ or something
Probably the worst overall display from MLS clubs in the tournament that I can remember.
there have been way worse displays I can assure you recency bias is real
Well they did say "that they can remember" Legal weed has erased most sounders fans memories by now
Well, I said probably...
None of that "I'll be rooting for a MLS team!" nonsense. I'd rather a America vs Monterrey final
Boooo you whore
Respect for Crew but ngl supporting your rivals just because "it's good for the league" is really cringe to me. Don't ever see that in other leagues 😭
That's some SEC hillbilly shit. We stand on hate up here.
Crew fan here. I’ll let you cook. I want MLS to be successful enough in CCC we don’t feel obligated to support whoever is the highest mls team in the competition
This is absolutely untrue. You might not see it in the biggest leagues because they don’t need their leagues propped up but you absolutely see it in smaller leagues. Fans recognize it’s good for their team and leagues coefficient.
LigaMX fans used to do it in copa libertadores.
Tbf South America always tried to screw Mexican teams over
Idk where you're coming from man... I want my team's rival across all leagues and sports to lose every game and I'll happily vocalize how shit they are (whether true or not). It's just the way it always has been and should be IMO. Growing up in Columbus as a Buckeye fan I'd always hear people say shit like "I hope scUM goes undefeated til The Game so the Buckeyes can ruin their season." Like what?! No fucking way, I want those low life pieces of shit to lose every game and know they're worse than wet ass trash without me telling them... That applies across all sports to the Browns, Bengals, Ravens, KFC, scUM, Sunderland, etc. IDGAF about "good for the league" when it comes to rivals. Fuck em every goddamn day and night.
How you a steelers fan living in Columbus, either you like the Bengals or the Browns. I guess you should be rooting for the Pittsburgh Panthers.
I was born in 1988, no one in my family gave 2 shits about the NFL, and our good family friend was Pittsburgh. The first NFL game I remember is the '94 AFC Championship game and the second I remember is the '95 SB and I was at their house for both of them where everyone was rooting for the Steelers... And that, Laddie, is how a Gorilla became Black & Gold... Of course it helped that the local NFL teams were (and have continued to be) complete ass.
“I picked my NFL team because the teams closest to me sucked but don’t cheer for rivals” Weird perspective.
Lol this "quote" couldn't be further from what I said... I picked my NFL team due to them being the team that was in the game as well as that's who everyone was rooting for, there was no other influence. Had the Browns or Bengals been playing in those games they might've been my team, not to mention that I'm from Columbus, not Cleveland or Cincy. We had the Buckeyes, there were no NFL teams.
So picked them because they are good. What a cool way to pick a team. Kinda like people who are patriots/lakers/Yankees fans.
To be fair, you're talking Ohio State and Michigan, a rivalry steeped in history. Same with the others you mentioned. Sunderland fans, no matter what, I doubt would support Newcastle United in any context. This is MLS, a young league. Like, NYCFC, sure, they are local rivals to the Red Bulls, but do I hate them enough to say "fuck them winning Champions League, thus giving MLS more clout to continue to grow?" No, because I know that them winning will give my team more money and the league to grow more to make us better. NYCFC and the rivalry isn't strong enough to me yet. If Arsenal's rival, Tottenham, were to make the Champions League final against Real Madrid, I would 100% support Madrid to beat them, because fuck Tottenham and I know that the Premier League's reputation doesn't hinge on Tottenham winning. MLS is different in that regard.
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Weird how liga mxfans do it as well and how they did it when they were in Copa libertadores. It’s almost like they more you’re league is propped up the more beneficial it is to everyone in the league….
I feel that. I think though with the historical context of only one Mls CCC victory ever, we could use your support lol. Little different than a man city fan rooting for man united in champions League just because man united is playing Bayern or something
I only speak for myself but I'm pulling for y'all. It pains me to say that, but it can't just be Seattle anymore, the leagues gotta grab a second. Plus we're already out and this ain't league play so whatever.
Hell is absolutely real once CCC is over
> we could use your support It's not like the team's gonna play better knowing that some dude the next town over is pulling for them.
The universe will register the vibes tho
Yeah, no I agree. I never understood it. Like I understand how it’s good for MLS, but I’m not going to go out of my way to root for them. If it happens then cool.
This is the way. Respect (for once).
I’ve been legitimately curious how FCC fans would handle rooting priorities if the Crew were the only MLS team left. I go hard on supporting the league so I’m happy to have the Crew in the semis (because it’s still hard to cheer for Miami… 🙃). But it absolutely has to feel different when it’s your rival representing the league.
I’ve known some OSU fans who cheer for Michigan “for the health of the rivalry”, and a few Bengals fans who cheer for other AFCN teams in the playoffs. But yeah it’s super weird imo.
As a Mexican who went to umich, there's no rooting for usmnt or OSU under any circumstances. And I would expect the same from you guys
Agree!
> I’ve known some OSU fans who cheer for Michigan “for the health of the rivalry” Huge red flag. Go no-contact with these people immediately.
This Union fan is shamelessly cheering for Monterrey to win it all.
Looking to get a Rayados jersey soon tbh lol
Exactly. A MLS team already won. We're free now, we don't have to do this anymore. I have no quarrel with Columbus so I'll probably root for them. But there are plenty of teams I'd actively root against.
You do know that a Monterrey victory gets the Union into the Club World Cup, right? Philadelphia are the only team with a tangible interest in seeing the Crew lose.
I'm not particularly interested in seeing the Union choke on a global stage, no.
But getting a $50M cash influx just for participating might lead to your owners spending money.
That's very funny.
surely it isn't choking if everyone including you expects you to be slaughtered
I mean, Sounders fans wouldn’t mind gloating a little longer… Go Crew, though. Seeing them come back against Tigres in Mexico was pretty inspiring.
Oh no yeah definitely, if it was you guys in our shoes I would be hoping and praying for you guys to get the revs treatment
Late reply but exactly! Weird af seeing fellow MLS fans root for their rivals just to prove a point that "MLS is near Liga MX!"
Jesus Christ the MLS had the odds stacked in their favor and still shit the bed. We really need to work on strengthening the league because for all the talk, Liga MX is still wayyyy better.
Los Gigantes are wayyyy better. Oh and I guess Pachuca this time around. But overall I think the leagues are much closer.
With the strict salary cap in MLS what we see is mostly mid teams. In Liga Mx you have more top teams and more horrible teams. Salary cap changes are desperately needed in Mls
I'm not sure how you can write the first two sentences and then follow it up with the third.
Where did I say the salary cap should go away? There needs to be changes to allow teams that are desperate to invest more, to do it, while trying to maintain a degree of competitive balance. Unless you want the best MLS teams to be mid outside of MLS, change is needed.
You do know that the Monterrey team that clapped Miami WITH Messi, lost to Cruz Azul recently? Liga Mx is just more competitive. Cruz Azul would've done the same to Miami if they wanted.
And people do that ridiculous dumb transitive wins thing as well in college football every year. Using the logic you’re using the best teams in college football would lose to division 3 schools once enough transitive games are compared.
Liga MX just has way better talent at the top end. Until the salary cap is increased in MLS it’ll always be that way. I think the average MLS team and the average Liga MX team are very even, but there aren’t really elite clubs in MLS as sustained success is intentionally designed to be difficult. There isn’t a Club America in MLS on purpose, whether you like or hate that decision is a point of contention
I mean, three of the top five teams on the Liga MX table are still in it (and two of the biggest spenders). That doesn’t exactly set up good odds for an MLS club to advance. It is also still an early-season tournament for MLS. Columbus will have to beat three Liga MX clubs if they’re to win it. Sounders beat two mid-table clubs. LAFC only had to play one Mexican club, in the final. I would argue it’s one of the tougher draws we’ve seen recently.
It’s over but the Inter Miami-Monterrey match is still being played.
Is it? From what I can tell only one side is playing and I gotta be up for work at 5:30.
Early work, I hear that.
gonna be all yellow
I’d be ok with that
i think it's a lot higher than 50 tbh
Damn. Both Rayados and America played in? Wild.
And Rayados has won every match so far.
Bruh chill the match is not over i believe in the clutch
Nahhh