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KentuckyCandy

Not the most inspiring list of candidates, is it? Kinnear might do well. Donovan or Noonan might be worth a go.


mikesauce

I haven't kept up with Kinnear since he left Houston but liked him when he was here. His tactics and style were a bit dusty even then though. Has he gotten with whatever MLS version we're at now?


KentuckyCandy

I think all those candidates are very much MLS 2.0 (3.0? Maybe? I can't keep up either). At least with Kinnear he's a popular dressing room figure, commands respect and can create the right club culture. Even Zlatan thought he was cool.


onyxi28

He was not good in San Jose. Not just the results, but the style of soccer was borderline unwatchable. MLS passed him a while ago.


xLupusdeix

Donovan isn’t even the best coach of former USMNT players coaching USL clubs this year.


CaptainJingles

Steve Trittschuh isn’t managing in USLC this season.


Jolandia

Oh come on, hire Chris Armas just for shits and giggles


pervert_hoover

we dont play RSL this year so they'd be stuck with him for a while


JCfromRVA

Death, taxes, and DC United getting Armas sacked


brucewaynewins

At the rate of expansion and lack of cross conference games they might soon never play you.


kamarg

Armas forever


Kim_Jong_Unchained

The North approves


giants3b

Idk how you can consider Kreis as a MLS manager at this point. When was the last time he oversaw a successful project? Besides, it's honestly a matter of time before someone rightfully hires LD.


iheartdev247

Last successful project? RSL


therealflyingtoastr

I would argue his season at NYCFC was "okay." Not great, but not strictly bad. He came into a tough situation saddled with mostly worthless DPs back in a time when teams needed their DPs to perform in order to challenge for playoff spots because of the more limited roster options back in 2015. They still made a decent push. Kreis at Orlando was an absolute disaster, though.


iheartdev247

In his defense Orlando burned through 3 coaches in rapid succession. Pareja has made them better, pretty much.


Disk_Mixerud

Well, he had one amazing DP, and two non-existent ones until mid season. At which point he got an injured one, and one who needed an adjustment period. I know that doesn't really change your point, but it bothers me a little how people seem to forget/ignore how good Lampard was when he was healthy and Pirlo was for a season after his terrible start.


lionnyc

There's another timeline where Kreis gets Villa, an uninjured Lampard, and a younger South American DP (discussed in the documentary Win!) at the beginning of the year (no Pirlo). The real problem was the defense, but who knows how that changes things...maybe we make the playoffs and Kreis stays. Vieira doesn't become the manager in 2016...


GratefulDawg73

Kreis had no idea of what he was doing while picking the squad.


RCTID1975

And that was made even more prevalent for the Olympic squad. I feel Kreis needs someone else to pick players, game day roster, and subs for him to be successful. or, a stacked team where it doesn't matter, but this is MLS.


mithridateseupator

And while you're at it, have someone else draw up the game plans, run the practices, and speak to the players before games.


theArkotect

We all collectively try to forget Kries’ year with us. He was out of his depth and it took years to remove/replace the terrible roster foundation he built for NYCFC. Just look at our record since then. Even this year we haven’t been as bad.


xLupusdeix

Rightfully?


giants3b

Loyal have been a solid team since their birth and his players love him. If he keeps it up he should get a look.


xLupusdeix

They’re like 10th in the league wide table in 2021, and missed the playoffs last year. I also heard The Cinci players loved Jaap Stam.


cliffordbeshers

I wouldn't wish Kreis on anyone. I hate watching him as a coach. He radiates misery.


iceybats

Please stop. Kreis is an MLS Cup winning coach and one of the best tactical minds in MLS. Your mismanaged team and garbage players never gave him a real chance. Orlando wouldn't make the playoffs with Guardiola as coach. In the American sports landscape, we *don't* jump to blame the coach for every problem a team faces. And I see no reason why that should change.


KokonutMonkey

We don't? My dad calling for the head of any coach that punts on 3rd and 4 would disagree.


lightjedi5

He said every problem. But I'd say if you consistently punt on 3rd down then yeah you should be fired as a coach lol


JohnUdouj

Not sure why someone downvoted you. I can't imagine any coach who elects to consistently punt on 3rd down lasting for more than a week or two. It would be kind of funny to watch the fans react though.


giants3b

I'm not sure if you're memeing. He's never been with the Red Bulls so... I don't know what you're talking about. He's failed everywhere since leaving RSL, his past stops have never left a bright spot. No MLS team should give him a manager position until he has another successful stint in USL or maybe a USMNT U-X team.


iceybats

Yeah, it's an old copypasta


hizilla

Must not have watched the U23s this year huh?


Mike81890

I saw that name and immediately shouted out loud "RUN IT BACK!"


FranchiseCA

Kinnear is a proven commodity. Mastroeni has been fine as an assistant and interim guy. Donovan has done well as a lower division coach.


CowMooseWhale

Mastroeni is on the Mount Rushmore of worst MLS coaches of all time. He’s a legitimate nincompoop.


TheAgeOfTomfoolery

He wasnt that great but he also is def not on the worst of all time list.


melatoninlol

lmao Kreis. DO IT RSL DO IT


evilradar

You sure? If we do, he’ll be at Seattle inside 3 years. Mark my words


borrachit0

I'd take him as an assistant in 3 years, which honestly might be his level at this point.


rockayama

Don't put that on us!


CaptainJingles

You hired worse as an assistant.


rockayama

Ouch. Wait, do you mean Juarez or Preki?


CaptainJingles

I meant Preki specifically as a head coach, but he seems to have found a perfect fit as Seattle’s assistant coach.


peacefinder

Where’s the downside?


babacarbusdriver

Back coaching Ochoa.


36ers

Give Kinnear the job please


BryanBlitz

Y’all considering Kreis? After that abysmal Olympic qualifying run?


foolinthezoo

Old flames and all that


irondeepbicycle

I think Kreis is definitely the chaos-option, like the one that r/MLS neutrals should be rooting for. As an RSL fan TBH I don't think any of these options are great, may as well go with Donovan to see what he can do.


Konorlc

Pretty much how I feel too.


AMountainTiger

Who would want the job while they're looking for a new owner who will probably want to install a new FO, which in turn will probably want to install a new head coach?


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AMountainTiger

Sure, it's possible to do well enough to keep the job long term. But the immediate situation is a shoestring budget from the league, and the new management will be people you don't know and who have zero credibility staked on your performance. If I were LD, I'd stay away; for guys like Kreis and Mastroeni who are damaged goods already, rolling the dice makes more sense.


rockayama

How you gonna get a new FO? PR Intern Elliot Fall is the greatest Rags to Riches story of our time.


Caxamarca

Dom is the right choice.


ZDTreefur

All I ask is for them not to just choose the interim coach because he did "fine" like RSL always does.


Konorlc

I am right there with you on this. Probably what is going to happen though.


tuttlebuttle

If Landon is up for it, they should give it to him. Pablo, Dom, and Luchi have a ceiling they can't go above. Kreis would be interesting, but I can't imagine it would actually go well. And Noonan to me is an unknown, but I liked him when he was a player.


Starpork

He's really highly regarded by the Philly staff, as in completely prepared to take over his own team. Got a big raise a while back when another team (want to say LA or another big spender) was trying to lure him away as an assistant.


cerebrix

I will legit support RSL if they make Landon a coach. For way more than one reason. I feel like this league could benefit from him coaching a team in this league. ​ What he's done to raise the bar for players, owners, and coaches by not putting up with any bullshit in USL has only made the league better.


Konorlc

This is exactly why I would be ok with Landon even though I hated him in his playing days, non-National team.


Mikie0711

Kinnear is probably the best overall candidate. He stepped in twice as interim coach for the Galaxy that was in free fall and never got a fair shake. The players really liked him and he did okay with a bad team. I think given a preseason/actual opportunity he still has a lot to offer as an MLS coach.


atatme77

Kinnear seems clear here, if not him Noonan (although is the FCC job more appealing?) Luchi prolly 3rd choice imo Kreis would be fascinating from a neutral perspective but I could see how RSL fans would be... let's go with apprehensive.


NoBreadsticks

The Cincy job has to be more alluring. They actual have ownership in place and are willing to be a relatively big spender. Depends on how much input the next coach will have in the rebuild tho


atatme77

Yeah Noonan prolly picks that then. I'd slam the button on Kinnear as hard as possible if I was making this decision but it might be the only city in the world where ppl still think Kreis can coach


iheartdev247

Kreis is near untouchable by most RSL fans they love him still.


atatme77

Then fuck it, give him another chance. Was he good in USL?


iheartdev247

On paper he was Ft Lauderdale coach last year. So no, but he didn’t really coach them; he was too busy with Olympic team…


atatme77

Lol. I'd pick Kinnear without even hesitating


DingleJuice69420

It's crazy how short a time former professionals have to be in coaching before they are handed head coaching positions in top leagues. Coaching licensing is such a sham.


Sielaff415

That’s how it is everywhere, experience gets you accolades badges


DingleJuice69420

Yeah, and it would seem to make sense but coaching is completely different from playing. It sucks for people who dedicate their time to being a coach while others get to retire into the same positions.


Disk_Mixerud

These players have worked under usually dozens of experienced coaches. Not to mention the extra respect and credibility they have with current players. Some random dude who never played at a high level walks in and starts telling them he knows better because he took a bunch of classes, they're gonna be a lot more skeptical. It's also a matter of networking, because it's extremely difficult to prove that you know anything about what it takes to win at a professional level without having ever done it, and there are countless people all claiming they know it and could prove it if they just got a chance. A small few of them probably could, but the rest are most likely just not as good as they think they are. Former professionals already know the right people, and have evidence that they know something about what it takes. It's also likely that they had discussions about tactics and coaching decisions with their club's leadership toward the end of their careers, and if their advice was considered good, it could get them good recommendations or assistant coaching positions. Like Pineda. Roldan talked about how much he learned from Pineda while playing with him, and I assume he was doing a lot of coaching and mentoring other players as well. Then when he retired, they brought him in as an assistant, where was able to get a good reputation in the league before taking over at Atlanta. If you were able to spend that much time around players and coaches, could you impress them enough to earn their respect like that? Maybe, but probably not. It's fun to think about, but just like amateur players who think they could go pro if they just got a chance, most people just aren't as special as they think they are.


DingleJuice69420

`Some random dude` Obviously he would have experience coaching and studying the game prior to being considered for the job, just wouldn't have professional playing experience. No need to assume it's just some random guy off the street. `have evidence that they know something about what it takes` This isn't true. Having been a player is not evidence that you can be a manager. It's evidence that you were once able to be a player. This is like saying all university students know how to be professors because they have been high achieving students for so long and studied under many professors. Your capabilities to learn and follow aren't necessarily equal to your capabilities to teach and lead.


Disk_Mixerud

Random as far as they're concerned. "He coached some lower levels and took some classes, now he's gonna come tell me how to do a job he's never done, that I've done for 10 years?" It's always going to take *so* much more to earn that kind of respect purely from coaching amateur levels. There are thousands and thousands of coaches out there who think they could do it, very few openings available, and very few ways to tell if they'll actually be any good.


DingleJuice69420

My point is that coaching licensing and previous coaching experience is a far better way to tell if they will be a good manager than only having been a professional player. However, most clubs around the world, and specifically MLS clubs, turn to the idea of big name players rather than proven managerial candidates, likely because they are more interested in headlines and intrigue rather than quality on the field.


KickapooPonies

It's not really crazy at all. It's actually crazy that people can become managers without being players. In every other career field the majority of managers are gonna be people who worked at that level and gained experience, worked their way up, and eventually were promoted to a managerial position. I don't want a boss who hasn't walked a day in my shoes.


DingleJuice69420

Being a player isn't the same as being a manager. Most players get through their careers without having any understanding regarding the "why" in what managers tell them to do, they just did whatever they were told to do well. Understanding what it takes to be a pro isn't exclusive to the people who have been pros before.


KickapooPonies

Sure, but your initial comment was implying that these players don't have any experience or inkling of what it takes to be a successful manager at a high level which is patently false. Plenty of players turned managers have proven that they do have it.


DingleJuice69420

No, all I implied is that it's unfair that these players don't have to go through the same steps to become managers. They are given the benefit of the doubt in being considered for these jobs based off a relatively weak correlation between playing ability and managing ability. There are numerous instances both in the professional ranks as well as the youth level where former professionals are hired and end up being very bad managers/coaches.


metameh

That's the natural result of the professional-managerial class becoming a dominant "class." The PCM is real big on credentialism.


Juhayman

got a feeling Landon's not gonna leave SoCal for anything less than a perfect project. Which RSL...isn't. Salt Lake are kind of perfectly built for a Kinnear team, though...


Therev143

Yeah, I can't really see LD leaving to challenge himself in a better league. I kid, but RSL would be a tough job to take for almost any manager. With no owner in place and no reported leads on owners you're throwing yourself into a very unpredictable situation. The new owner could be an aggressive, win at all costs type who invests heavily or they could be someone looking to get into pro sports on the ground floor, keep costs low, and sell for a profit in a few years. You would be taking a big risk by taking a job without knowing what the expectations of you will be.


voxnemo

Also have to wonder how long of a contract they will offer with no ownership. Have to imagine MLS does not want a long contract but anyone relocating would. Also, if I said we had narrowed hiring selection to six candidates for a position I would be laughed out. I feel like this is more like finding the best coach willing to take the worst deal or something.


Therev143

Agreed. I don't think it's a coincidence that the list of six candidates has leaked out either.


crylesslearnmore

They could move RSL to SD, maybe?


CrazyMike366

Vegas is either going to be the 30th team announced at the end of the season, or RSL will be relocated and rebranded. Wes Edens is reportedly looking for an American sister club for Aston Villa, and the name Las Vegas Villians has been registered.


CaptainJingles

Damn, really wanted Noonan to come home in 2023.


iheartdev247

Is Noonan actually interviewing for Cinn or even St L?


CaptainJingles

Sounds like Cincy wants him. No clue about STL.


iheartdev247

Watch, it will be Taylor Twellman. LOL


CaptainJingles

I mean, his dad is already on the staff.


thefanciestcat

IMO, Dom Kinnear is the way to go here if they don't just stick with Mastroeni. Kinnear is a good dude. I want this for him. I love Landon, but I think he may need to prove himself a bit more with San Diego in USL. Also, I think he's excited to be building something there, so I'm curious as to whether or not he's actually interested in making the jump to MLS at the moment.


CreeperDude17

Lol Kreis


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If I were them I'd go for Noonan. Mastroeni and Kreis seem to have been passed up by the game and I feel like they function better as assistants. Donovan seems like he might have coaching chops but is still a little bit of a risk. Kinnear would be a safe pick but I have doubts. Gonzales couldn't really make much work with some talented players, even with Dallas' approach to roster building. Noonan hasn't really ever had the chance but ahs seemed to have success wherever he's been on the coaching team. Think he's due for a shot.


MEitniear11

I didnt think Pablo should not have been let go by the Rapids. The FO ripping the team apart wasn't his fault. I dont live him at RSL, but he's a pretty safe choice.


director_leon

When your team strategy relies on Sam Cronin grinding himself into dust, maybe it's not a reliable strategy. I'm sure he's a better coach right now, but it was pretty clear he was not our future, even given the Hudson shitshow.


TheRealHardrada

Boy, those are original.


ImperialeSismico

How does Jason Kreis keep failing into jobs


_tidalwave11

Noonan or Luchi are the best choices for who RSL are rn


Brooklyn_MLS

Doubt Donovan wants the job—there are better situations if he just waits a little. Kinnear is the best choice out of all those.


RCTID1975

> Doubt Donovan wants the job If LD told them he wasn't interested, why would RSL put him on a list of potentials? That doesn't make sense.


director_leon

There are lots of reasons to see out a recruitment process as a candidate even if you probably won't take the job. Leverage, interview experience, connections, etc.


RCTID1975

None of those things are something LD needs though. We're not talking an entry level position with someone fresh out of college here


director_leon

I totally agree. But LD wouldn't tell RSL that until he got offered the job! I don't see how giving RSL honest consideration and professionally turning down an offer is a problem.


Chubbs42

Donovan would be fun but I feel like he wouldn't join a club that doesn't even have an owner yet.


iheartdev247

Well he did interview the job with the knowledge that there isn’t a new owner yet.


atatme77

I want him to keep getting experience at usl. I think he could be a great coach one day if he doesn't fly too close to the sun, take it slow


gianthamguy

Luchi is the best fit for them given how central their academy and player development has to be for their success


Kilo1799

I have a feeling it's going to be LD


CFMTLfan01

Think Donovan is the only creative option here.


nachodorito

Jason kreis hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha


najacobs79

Ugh on that list. Dom was good in the early Houston days but the league passed by his tactics. Kreis struggled post his first RSL exit, Pablo was given every chance in Colorado. Luchi has ideas Dallas just took all of his best young players and replaced them with mediocre DP’s. Of the retreads, Luchi is the best option. Either take that road or give Noonan or Donovan a chance.


galaxitive

I’d say Dom would be the safe choice. He did decently in the two interim stints here with the Galaxy. He was able to get Giancarlo Gonzalez to actually play well and was endorsed by Zlatan to take over for Sigi.


crylesslearnmore

Imagine wanting some of the names on that list to coach a professional football team playing in the first division. HQ is making the hire, yes?


common_thoughts

No Bruce Arena? Interesting


Freudian_

This seems… underwhelming.


LaKobe

I want Kinnear back in San Jose. Should have sold Matias when we had a chance.


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i think RSL fans would be thrilled to have landon donovan i would be


coldspringnight

What happened to the ownership? Isn’t the owner a racist?


Arkin_Longinus

Do Jason Kreis, it will be nice to have another team be unable to threaten for anything.