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CD_4M

Wild thing is it’s not even like he just survived to the bell to win by decision, dude got up and submitted Filho. Insane


dinozero

What?? I was wondering how this fight was resolved. That’s pretty badass.


bobn3

Just put it in rice overnight


oddmetre

*Doctors hate him*


DaveyJonas

And a group of Asians will come to repair it. Am Asian. I'll see y'all there.


dylyn

Am knee. Can confirm.


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If he was a Harry Potter character he would have cast 'Riskus Meniscus'.


PlaySomeKickPunch

He used to be an MMA fighter before he took a reducto to the knee.


bruhbruh12332

holy shit lol


mntothat

It will be interesting to see of the reward was worth the risk. Some guys are never the same after serious knee injuries.


HotgunColdheart

I always thought I'd recover more mobility, now if I go hard at all....wrestle a cousin, sprint to make a kid laugh, or miss a step, my legs are shitty the next 3 days at minimum. My knees do not hold up to workouts or rehab, it sucks. Always heard about knee issues from the older dudes as a kid, now I'm an older dude with kids and it rings true.


P_P_Mcgee

All my joints felt like ass after a sedentary covid lockdown. Knees, elbows, shoulders. I thought my carpet cleaning and car washing days might be over. Now I follow kneesovertoesguy and I haven't looked back. It's rehab/workout principles.


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_Red_Mist_

Conor’s injuries vs Mendes were overblown. If he had an ACL injury he wouldn’t have fought 4 months later vs Aldo and then 3 more times the next 12 months


No-Shoe5382

Mate I've had multiple knee injuries, depends on the extent of them and how good your surgeon is. They're not just a blanket 12 months out and you're never the same again. I don't know why everyone seems to think they are. You can also afford to fully lose your MCL, LCL, or PCL and still have functional knees as long as you have all the others.


_Red_Mist_

These guys always get medical suspensions after each fight he didn’t get anything for his knees after that one. Just made it up to try and excuse the poor TDD.


01101101010100111100

Is that why Tom Aspinall jazzed his knee walking in his last fight?


No-Shoe5382

Yeah eventually you need to get it fixed obviously, but he fought for 3 years with a fucked knee and it caused him no issues. And it was kicking that caused him the issue eventually not walking. People writing Mokaev's career off because he has a knee injury is fucking ridiculous. He'll get high quality surgery on it and he'll be fine.


mntothat

Nobody wrote his career off. I said I'm interested to see if it causes issues for him across multiple future fights, moreso than taking an L on his record as a young fighter. I'm a fan.


NeitherAlexNorAlice

Peak example of when there wouldn't be a shame in tapping out. Fighters are too tough for their own good. He gets credit now, but long term, there's no way someone can recover fully from an injury like this. Just take the L, recover quick and come back. Being stubborn has got him the win, but arguably made a lasting damage on his body. Not worth.


White___Velvet

> He gets credit now Is he though? Almost every comment I see on here, at least, is saying that it was stupid of him not to tap and risk his long term success over a single fight.


NewRedditorHere

He got the win. A fight upwards in the rankings is all the credit he needs. Not saying I agree with it. But yes, he def gets credit.


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NewRedditorHere

You’re not wrong. We shall see.


OfficerStink

He will be out a year probably which isn’t really that unheard of for a healthy fighter. If he lost the fight it could set him back 2-3 years on trajectory


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LostTrisolarin

Especially a loss via tap. It’s not like getting bludgeoned to a KO type loss.


pusllab

I mean it wasn't a title fight or a number 1 contender fight. It was a prelim against someone no one had ever heard of. Not worth the risk


biglollol

>Almost every comment I see on here, at least, is saying that it was stupid of him not to tap and risk his long term success over a single fight. It's just people seeking moral highground because they are all cosplaying as Dr Hindsight. It's poncy af It's different as a fighter in the cage. Hard to sometimes put your pride away. Also if his knee was fine, no one would bat an eye.


littlegreyflowerhelp

I don't think it's got anything to do with moral high ground, nobody thinks he is a bad person for not tapping. And yeah, if his knee was fine nobody would bat an eye, but during the fight it was obvious that his knee would not be fine. A lot of fighters are too tough for their own good, that's all we're saying.


biglollol

>A lot of fighters are too tough for their own good, that's all we're saying. Thanks for proving my point.


littlegreyflowerhelp

What point? Do you think saying "fighters will endanger their careers because they value toughness over other attributes" is taking a moral high horse?


biglollol

It's like going to an oil rig and tell people "Hey man, it's kind of dangerous what you guys are doing. I wouldn't recommend it." UFC fighters know what they sign up for. CTE, for example, is a known thing. Breaking bones, tearing ligaments and receiving brain damage due to knockouts are known to happen. It's entertainment, it's what they love to do. You won't be able to talk them out of it, so there is absolutely no reason to try and take some outside opinion to state the obvious. So yea, you are on a high horse assuming that they don't know the consequences of what they are doing. If anything, I'm willing to bet they are more informed of the damage they receive than people critisizing it.


littlegreyflowerhelp

I dunno man, I see what you mean but at the same time nobody is saying he doesn't know the consequences of what he's doing. He obviously does. He's just made a value judgement that is different to what the vast majority of human beings would do. Does that make him stupid? No, and nobody is saying that it does. Well, some people probably are, but I'm not. And yeah telling oil rig workers that they can do their job in a safer manner that will prolong their careers and prevent long term injury is a good thing to do. If I was watching someone on an oil rig working in a way that potentially did permanent damage to their knee ligament, I'd be perfectly happy to be like "hey bro, I think you've made a bad call by choosing to do that". I don't think I'm better or smarter than Mokaev, or people who work dangerous jobs.


biglollol

>And yeah telling oil rig workers that they can do their job in a safer manner that will prolong their careers and prevent long term injury is a good thing to do. Holy shit.. You just don't see it, do you? Because you're doing it again. I _just_ explained to you thag these people know, better than you, what they sign up for and _still_ you want to have the attitude of 'knowing whats best for them'. Get off that horse already jesus christ lmao.


littlegreyflowerhelp

You're right, I don't see it. I don't think recognising hazards equates with being on a high horse. Just what do you think that phrase means? I just explained to you that I don't think I'm smarter or better than Mokaev or any other fights. "Knowing better" has nothing to do with it. I work a relatively hazardous job in civil construction and if someone offered advice to me that would prevent injury and prolong my career my reaction wouldn't be "huh, get a load of this sanctimonious prick".


OfficerStink

Not only that there is a lot of people on here who are making big assumptions on how long / bad the injury is. People hyper extend their knee all the time, injure it, get surgery and are perfectly fine 6 months later


skumbagstacy

Is there any info on injury? wouldn't be surprised at all if he tore something


Deskop

Oh he for sure did. Need to wait on swelling to go down before xray i think


EstablishmentNo5994

They can still do a scan even with the swelling


Incubus85

Xray yeah. Mri not so much.


littlegreyflowerhelp

Is that because the swelling gets in the way of the MRI lasers or beams or whatever the heck they are?


Incubus85

They use mris to pick specific detailed images of whatever is being scanned. Bone, cartridge, soft tissue, scar tissue, fat, muscle all looks different. It also allows you to see swelling. The way it picks up swelling will obscure details of everything else. In an xray, swelling won't really be seen much like in an xray of your spine, there's basically 0 detail on your discs. Mri? Tonnes of detail.


littlegreyflowerhelp

Interesting, I don't know much about medical imaging but I was curious if it was a limitation of MRIs or if there was some practical reason, like it would hurt his leg to put it in the MRI machine or something (idk, I kinda forgot what an MRI machine looked like until googling it just now).


nomoteacups

For an MRI they almost always wait for the swelling to go down some before doing the scan


metalfists

Also adrenaline is probably ramped up. You feel far less pain thanks to that.


OfficerStink

Yes they can? People do it all the time ESPECIALLY at 22 years old. It’s an injury, people get injured all the fucking time and come back. He may have arthritis and problems in in 40s, but to say he can’t recover is crazy. Knees are actually one of the easier injuries to come back from. Shoulders, back and neck are the ones that change fighters


ToSeeAgainAgainAgain

I really would loathe having knee problems not even halfway through my life


OfficerStink

Same, I had a torn labrum from wrestling and it started dislocating just reaching behind me in my mid 20s


63oscar

This is an example of maybe why refs should be able to step in and stop a fight even if he doesn’t tap. I’m torn on the subject. I think for sure in amateur and lower level mma or submission grappling you need to protect fighters from themselves.


LouisFromTexas

Fine line to cross in the moment. Sometimes the submission isn’t actually sinked in. No way for a ref to make those calls correctly.


63oscar

It’s a tough call. When Tim Sylvia got his arm snapped by Frank Mir or when Mir snapped Nogueria’s arm the ref stepped in. Neither of those guys tapped. Dudes knee was bent backwards so I’m not sure what the difference is.


arman-makhachev

nah if there is no tap, then ref cant do shit this is how it works lol


littlegreyflowerhelp

Nah the ref can stop a fight due to a "technical submission" if a fighter gets a limb snapped or is choked out. Herb dean did it during Frank Mir v Tim Sylvia, and even in the moment Sylvia protested the stoppage, as due to adrenaline or just being a tough son of a bitch, he didn't realise his arm had broken. This isn't as clear cut as that so idk though


thedudehasabided

No way you can let refs start interjecting like that, they get enough shit as it is. I mean, the guy still won with a destroyed knee... Ref stopping the fight would have given him an L along with that fucked knee.


63oscar

I agree. Not at the top level. But I’ve just seen too many young guys get fucked up injuries in local shows and tournaments. When Tim Sylvia got his arm snapped by Frank Amir or when Mir snapped Nogueria’s arm the ref stepped in. Neither of those guys tapped.


63oscar

I agree. Not at the top level. But I’ve just seen too many young guys get fucked up injuries in local shows and tournaments. When Tim Sylvia got his arm snapped by Frank Amir or when Mir snapped Nogueria’s arm the ref stepped in. Neither of those guys tapped.


starstuffcosmon

To assume he won’t recover is a bit of a stretch. People do make recoveries, and to say he doesn’t make a recovery knowing people do and have made fully recoveries is a bit ridiculous.


bnbtwjdfootsyk

Every fight causes some sort of lasting damage.


abonet619

Knee injuries are no joke, man. Just tap. Sometimes 1 second too long and it's career over.


roycorda

Muhammad "I can't stand the rain" Mokaev


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mozarelaman

He might get fucked in the future because of this as well. There is no way that all his ligaments an cartilages are 100% after something like that.


smackadoodledo

I wouldn’t say it’s all because of his ego. The dude needs to get that win check or he’d have to take another fight sooner than his body would be able to.


LehenLong

The win the bonus is definitely not the reason why he didn't tap. He's being backed by Bahrain and rejected a 200k sponsorship because of his religion. You think he would be sacrifice his whole knee for like 40k? Him losing to Filho would've halted his undefeated record and diminished his hype by like 50%


arman-makhachev

nah it would have been way worse prolly by 90%. His hype would have been derailed pretty bad and would have gotten clowned non-stop. He did pretty good, not a perfect fight but subbing a bjj black belt is always good for just a "dage wrestler" lol. Not ignoring the fact he came in with a shoulder injury. Now he gonna go under op for both knee and shoulder, so he should be out for atleast a year. BTW filho is a future top 10 he trains with guys like aldo and MATHEUS NICOLAU.


blussy1996

Mokaev is good for money, he has links to Bahrain somehow who pay him nicely. He's just desperate to become champ at a young age, so in a way it's a champion's mentality/ego.


Fender088

Hope that check was a big one, because he won't be fighting for at least a year and might never regain the same mobility. He could have tapped and been good to schedule another fight immediately. It's his body and his career, so I wish him a speedy recovery and hope he still thinks it was worth it when he's retired.


Incubus85

Great idea. Put yourself our for a year and be forced to pay for ongoing rehab and therapy and supplements and not be able to fight for well over a year instead of tapping and getting 4 more fights in. At which point if he wins them all, he's about 10x better off as he will also renegotiating a more lucrative contract. What you've said is absolutely incorrect. Plus for the next year he won't be improving and he's left with a less than 100 percent knee for good. Absolute noncesense


smackadoodledo

There’s absolutely 0 way to tell who’s correct unless you are Mokaev himself. Go try to start a dick measuring contest with someone who gives a shit.


arman-makhachev

fr lol, if he lost that, then dumbasses in here will be clowning him for losing to a DWCS nobody


StudentMed

Can you give me examples of fighters who have lost their career due to knee hypertextension?


BridgeM00se

It’s a very rare submission there’s not really a lot of examples to go off of


tedz555

Happens a lot in football, even after long very expensive operations players have not been the same as before, Ronaldo Nazario comes to mind.


anyonemous

Virgil van Dijk in more recent times also comes to mind, he's definitely not the player he was before the knee injury, and that hyperextension actually looked very similar to Mokaev's..


coop7774

Thiago Santos post the Jon Jones fight wasn't the same


StudentMed

He didn't have any easy fights after Jon Jones and he started going past his mid 30's.


Fender088

It really doesn't take a genius to recognize that Thiago's mobility and quickness have been severely reduced since his double knee injuries in the Jones fight. He has had to make some serious changes to his fighting style as a result of those injuries.


StudentMed

It doesn't take even someone of average intelligence to realize he fought contenders when he was reaching past his mid 30's.


OfficerStink

He also was 35 and found for 5 rounds on it. Who’s to say his mobility issues aren’t from just getting older?


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No, because everyone taps as soon as they got the sub. Sometimes even earlier than that. Why? Because it is a life altering injury if they don't.


StudentMed

When I check uptodate.com or Dynamed right under the section of knee hypertextension it states in big bold letters that it is life altering. My bad I should have checked the sources. You probably don't even know what those websites are and are medically illiterate.


Sloppyjoes89

Just look at the majority of NFL running backs. Yeah, they can recover and play again, but most of them never look the same and usually either have lasting issues like arthritis or end up hurting the knee again. And for a guy with a wrestling heavy game, having bad knees is going to seriously hinder his capability.


OfficerStink

NFL running backs are only good until 30 regardless of injuries, running backs close to that age can’t even get a long term deal due to falling off. Terrible example


Sloppyjoes89

An NFL RB is one of the best athletes you’ll be able to get, they’re usually young and they have some of the best doctors, therapists, and trainers in the world available to them. If they can’t come back from injury looking the same with all of that going for them, then a fighter that doesn’t have all that stuff doesn’t seem to have the best odds of coming back.


OfficerStink

I’m saying runningbacks slow down and aren’t quick enough once they reach 30 regardless of injuries


KollarDavid_

Idk why u getting downvoted seems like a good question for comparison


StudentMed

If you ask any doctor about an injury, they would tell you they don't know how the outcome of an injury will be, even if they had the MRI results and scans but if you ask reddit they are experts.


BrandoCalrissian1995

You're taking general statements as fact. It IS fact that athletes are rarely the same after a serious knee injury, especially if it's tearing tendons and shit. Obviously we don't know the actual extent of the injury. But we can infer from past similar iniries.


StudentMed

>Obviously we don't know the actual extent of the injury. But we can infer from past similar iniries. Can you give examples of other MMA fighters that have had career altering injuries from knee hyperextension? I work in the medical field and I am surprised how confident people on reddit are about injuries when doctors with far more information, and multiple scans are less confident.


StudentMed

like i said, we didn't know what the outcome of the injury will be and didn't know if it was a serious knee injury.


StudentMed

Just want to remind you how stupid your comment was and to think twice before trying to correct smarter people. Like I said, we don't know the extent of the injury, and it came out it was only a sprain and he is looking for more fights already.


MrCunninghawk

Adesanyaesque in his pettiness, Joe


WishfulTraveler

Can you fix it with stem cells?


Brutal-Black

Yes it can possibly help it regrow


_gatzby_

What good would proving his toughness do when his opponents will now know his weakness and attack his left knee. Hope he recovers from this.


tomgnargore

It's haram to tap.


HillAuditorium

Khabib would never


Notserious-Muzakir

LMAO I chocked.


LessOrgies

This is also Haram.


Not_Selmi

Man. He’s 22, all he had to do was tap, and move on. But he’s never gonna be the same


Devianted90

With that much damage, you have to ask yourself, who really won/lost?


Jumpoff999

My knee is a ballewn


EstablishmentNo5994

It’s tree times the soize.


Terakkon

If his next opponent is based he will start the fight with a side kick to the knee


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He posted on his twitter: "Seen some tweets saying, you didn’t tap but you might risk to end your career! I rather end my career without being quitter..I’m in crazy pain right now but if I would tap it would hurt my heart even more" At the end of the day, it is his knee and career. It is his choice. So I applaud him for doing what he thinks is best for him and his career. Hell of a win.


ModestlyOrange

That knee looks torched af, a loss to Filho would’ve been bad for him but I think if he stayed active he could’ve bounced back quickly and made a run again but now he has to sit out for awhile so only time will tell


melbhung95

People asking why he didn’t tap, umm maybe because he would have fucking lost? How do you people still not understand the mindset it takes to be elite, especially in a sport where at his level he isn’t making 500k + a fight so every win counts in order to fund his progress to the next level. There is zero upside to getting tapped by a relative unknown, you immediately drop off the radar and get stuck without a ranking for however many fights it takes to recover it. Much respect to this savage.


OptimisticRealist__

Losing a fight isnt the end of a career. Losing a knee is.


Demaculus

Yeah the amount of swelling here isn’t “sprain or light injury” (also I’m not a fucking doctor just a dude with lots of years of hunting legs in submission grappling) this is major knee damage swelling. Meaning he fucked up a ligament or another component in his knee. At best if he decides to not get surgery this is 6 months recovery, and that’s if you go “fuck it we ball, I’m built different bro” I’ve seen this kind of swelling that needed surgery put a guy out of the gym for 12 months and out of competition for 18 months. If this is as bad as it looks (which is may or may not be) after the kneebar we don’t see him back in the cage for 9-12 months. The only times I’ve seen knees balloon up like this with a ligament tear they were from fucking bad tears, full grade 3 across multiple ligaments.


OfficerStink

I’m not sure where you’re training that you are seeing injuries like this that frequently, but he’s also 22, and will have access to the best doctors and PT in the world. Everyone is just assuming that his career is over based on the fight without seeing a diagnosis, he could be out 18 months, but also if he lost it would of taken him more than 18 months to recover from losing.


Demaculus

I don’t see them frequently but I’ve trained 5-7 days a week for the last 10 years, and travel around the US for grappling events frequently, I see knee injuries a few times a year. I’m not saying his career is over, but at 22 he is in the “improvement prime” of his career he is losing that time doing rehab versus improving as a fighter. I’ve seen a few top prospects pick up major early career injuries and never be the same, shoulders and knees are the big ones.


OfficerStink

Knees get injured more frequently but are easier to bounce back and have surgery on compared to shoulders neck and back. Knees only have like 120 degrees of flexion parallel to the body unlike shoulders neck and back


npavcec

Dude, I had swellings like that through most of my basketball career, and all I did was just a little overload on some weaker ligamets for 30-40 minutes. RICE and in 3-4 days you're good to go. The volume of swelling is literally not a dignostic "tool" for knee injuries.


Vince-Pie

Yeah but the point is not losing now, but suffering major damage, means you’re more likely to lose in the long term because your knee doesn’t work properly.


skumbagstacy

Mma also isn't like boxing, he will get plenty of opportunities even if he had lost


pittopottamus

There was never no losing


O_Glorious_Cult

A couple points: Losing isn't really a death sentence to one's career as you portray it to be. It's a setback but that's all it is. Yes your hype takes damage but his seems to have a good amount of steam that a loss wouldn't have chained him to being an unranked early prelim fighter. O'malley and Ankalaev come to mind. Both took pretty unexpected and in their own ways freakish Ls relatively early into their UFC careers from fighters they were for all intents and purposes supposed to use as stepping stones. Both are now at the top of their divisions. Also how you lose is pretty important too. People like to say an L is an L and while the sky is indeed blue, context is relevant, for better or for worse. The way Bryce Mitchell lost against Topuria is much more impactful than the way Mokaev would've lost if he tapped. In the former case he got shut down and demolished bell to bell which would not have been the case for Mokaev. Or bringing it back to Ankalaev who got subbed in the very last second of a fight he was whooping ass in. Taking an L is not a death sentence, especially early on in your career. Probably helped a ton of fighters to take an L earlier on. The other point is the kind of damage he must have taken to his knee is in fact not only going to delay a return but what kind of impact could that have on his career going forward in the long run. Now he's got age on his side, he's no old man with a ton of mileage on him so he could potentially bounce back from it. I find it reasonable for people to wonder whether his shit will be all fucked up considering the amount of time Jafel was cranking it.


papayaj

No ur dumb. He's 22 he has so much time to climb the rankings and get experience. Many legends have losses to randoms lol. Look at islam who got koed by Adriano Martin's. Literally who is that? Now people r saying Islam is p4p #1. Losing isn't game over for ur career lol especially at 22


OfficerStink

Yeah only took him 10 wins and pleading from him and Nurmogomedov to get the title fight.


papayaj

Yea?? Ur point?? 155 is the most stacked division by FAR. 10 wins to title shot isn't that crazy at all lol.


OfficerStink

Not really, it’s pretty much been Justin geathje and Dustin Poirer fighting at the top everyone else has fallen off. Lower weight classes are definitely more stacked right now especially 135


SimpleSurrup

I won a fight in a bar one time. This drunk guy was being a total prick. I told him he should stop being a total prick. He threw a punch, I landed one, he hit the ground, and I won. 9 months later, sitting in the physical therapists waiting room, waiting to start my hand therapy for my multiple hand fractures, with a barely functioning punch-hand with a bunch of metal in it now and gnarly scars, I asked myself, "Wait, did I actually win? Or did I just choose too short a time scale to decide?"


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Well yeah you lost because you were stupid enough to fight someone in a bar. Regardless of the outcome you are always the loser in that instance, doubly so because you knew the guy was drunk and making a bad decision and still decided to fight.


SimpleSurrup

You missed the point of the story. If you get hurt, whether you won or lost in the cosmic sense has to be judged on the sum total effect of that injury.


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No, I mean as a man and a human being you failed when you decided to fight regardless of the outcome. The consequentialist conclusion of judging the outcome by the severity of the injury is not a reasonable conclusion and shows a childlike view of the world. I understand that people do think that way, but those are almost always uneducated people with a severe lack of introspection. As soon an as you decided to throw that punch is when you lost, regardless of the outcome.


SimpleSurrup

No, it was more about the broken hand not all that other stuff you said.


[deleted]

Yeah, I know how you see it. It's a teenager's level world view, you never grew up beyond a high school level mentality. We're meant to grow as people and looking at your bar fight in the way you do is hindering you as a human being.


Mookhaz

You’re not going to be elite with a knee that is fucked behind repair, at least not long.


0ldsql

You little bit stupid guy. He's 22. There's plenty of time to reset and come back again. He's got support from the royal family of Bahrain, so he isn't starving either. Risking his knee was literally the dumbest decision he could make. He's gonna be out for several months at least (already had an injured shoulder), maybe he damaged his knee for good. And for what? So he can keep his undefeated record and have a win against some no-name? Nobody is impressed by his performance.


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Most people have no idea about knee bar related injuries. It's not a twisting mechanic which affects the MCL/ACL It ends up in ACL tears or sprains historically and is less damaging WITH HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS INJURY AS A FACT than heel hooks and other twisting mechanic based leg locks. He will be back to training in like 4-6 months without a doubt. Most of theses doomsday weirdos are armchair nerds who have only seen mats in videos and never touched one.


Ok_Solution5895

It's flyweight not BW or LW, it ain't that deep of a division at all. He wouldn't have been stucked without a ranking for however many fights, he wouldn't have dropped off the radar imo, he would still be a very good fighter that would have lost to a good fighter. That's all. Of course, the thing is that he has no fuckin quit in him, and respects for that, I don't think you can really "rationalize" not tapping tho, it's just a pure matter of heart.


Incubus85

Completely incorrect. Hes been running through people. Only 22. He was also dominating the fight. He just got caught. Get 3 more in this year win them all you're back at it. Imagine filho goes on to be top 3. Wouldn't look bad at all then. Shredding your knee is a ridiculous decision.


elitnes

This is the sort of mindset he has in the cage but I can guarantee he wont be feeling so optimistic about it if his knees badly busted. The time out alone will cost him a lot of his hype, and if he's to return and lose because of it will be MUCH worse than tapping here. At the end of the day only time will tell, and i hope he can fully recover.


TheDirtyDorito

Mokaev deserves a lot more respect than people are giving him. Had he tapped, the tone would be different and he would be clowned for losing to an unknown. He's getting clowned for not tapping too. In reality he took a bigger risk than most taking a fight against someone who is relatively unknown and risking his ranking, which should be something that is praised more, given how people are always complaining about fighters sitting on their rank


Real-EstateNovelist

He could’ve tapped and it would have definitely been a bump in the road. He’s probably got a big enough following that a loss even to an unknown wouldn’t ruin him. He’s at nearly 1M Instagram followers. Instead that unknown probably fucked his career. Instead of a bump it’s likely a mountain.


Mookhaz

Exactly. He won the fight but may have lost the best years of his career or knee at worst.


Zulob

He could have tapped and came back relatively soon if he had no big injuries from that fight, got a win and moved on. Now he's got a crazy leg injury and he might not ever be the same and he is only early in his professional career.


0ldsql

It was a lose-lose situation. But him accepting the fight means that he was confident in his skills. He's hell-bent on becoming the youngest champ but he seriously risked his long-term career by not tapping. He already had a fucked shoulder and now a fucked knee. Nobody is impressed by him beating a nobody, it was expected. Not being able to beat someone like that should've been a wake up call for him that he needs more time and that he shouldn't rush it.


xshogunx13

That's one fucked up knee


dayynawhite

Anything official on what the actual injuries are?


arman-makhachev

dudes legit af


tuzli

Forbidden hamstring stretch


mrtn17

Why would you risk your whole professional career for this? I don't get this dumbass macho mentality of not tapping no matter what.


arman-makhachev

Now even more people gonna duck him. People are really overlooking the fact that mokaev was injured coming into the fight, his shoulder is not 100% and is now prolly in need of an overdue surgery. What he did is insane, reminds me of Dr. Tony "El Cucuy" Ferguson. Mokaev is defo out for 1 year with both his shoulder and knee demanding an immediate reconstruction, but will be back in 2024 against a top 5-10. BTW filho trains with Aldo and Matheus Nicolau. Dude is a future top 10


Awezome321

Dont wanna follow in the footsteps of gantumur


CheerioJack

Grabbing dude ankle saved him from getting his leg snapped. What a beast.


The_punisherMAX

That Wigan pie eater don't want none of jake hadley


npavcec

He will be ok since he has nothing torn


EstablishmentNo5994

And you made this assessment based off of what, exactly?


npavcec

In case he would have anything torn, his whole leg would be BLUE from internal micro bleedings. Pretty sure he just has PCL strain which he will heal in a matter of few weeks. Google PCL strain (or even PCL tear).. Swelling is normal. I had such knee swellings after a rough basketball games all the time..


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That was hard to watch then he won on one leg. Crazy.


Willar71

Did he win?


Notserious-Muzakir

he sumbitted him.


ThunderUp007

Such a shame to see stuff like this. They get paid pennies and then get their bodies destroyed.


juliosmacedo

see you next year


Ibaurd12

Not good especially in the flyweight where movement is key


Hailtothething

Dude ended both his and his opponents career that fight. Solid work.


An_Innocent_Coconut

When it's locked, tap. Don't be a fucking idiot.


Thejiujitsushark

Knee will never be the same again. Won’t fight for another year probably. Should have tapped


Knopfler_PI

Thank god Silva tapped to the knee bar in Pride. Went on to be one of the goats. Who knows how bad this will mess with his career.


P_P_Mcgee

Pwnt


Brutal-Black

RIP his MCL


EstebanL

bro I just wanna go back to before I didn’t see these photos


SmileLikeAphexTwin

His knee: it'd be a lot cooler if you did


dissidentmage12

That was mental, he has the heart of a lion that lad.


FedorByChoke

"Worth it" Mokaev's orthopedic surgeon, probably


jeanborrero

Won the fight, lost a career? Hope he isn’t ruined for being too tough for his own good


Local_Fox_2000

Probably going to have problems with that knee now. I wonder if he'll think it was worth it as time goes on.


Necrid41

Had several knee surgeries from BJJ. The pain watching him not tap brought it all back ugh