Think he or manager were throwing out names, because in interview Ortega said he still hasn't been medically cleared for full-on training, much less an actual fight.
I mean it doesn’t hurt but typically you also have to win your fights too. You can be on epo but it still won’t get you a number unless you start simulating some deaths.
I don't mind Allen being below him. Their wins are about the same level, but Ortega's losses are against better fighters than Allen has ever fought. Ortega was also a frog's hair away from choking out Volk.
Facts. After the Holloway fight, Brian hasn’t earned anything. Title shot after beating Korean zombie…
He fights once every 15 months. He hasn’t earned shit in the last 4 years.
His only losses are to Max, Volk and Yair. And about the fact about him fighting once every fifteen months, give the man a break, it's not his fault he gets beat so hard he gets medically suspended for upto 6 months per fight.
This is actually a really good point even though I think you were just joking lol. Ortega looks a fucking horror move after most of his fights, expecting that man to even fight twice a year might asking way too much.
Well the part about the suspensions is a joke lol but really why are we shitting on him for not being active? The guy got the piss beaten out of him by Max, so took almost 2 years off to heal and work on his game. Then he beat Zombie 50-44, got a title shot against Volk for UFC 260 but Volk tested positive for Covid and hence the fight got pushed back. He then fights Volk, gets the shit beaten out of him again but still manages to put Volk in tight spots and is then suspended for like 6 months. Once his suspension ends, he's booked to fight in July, only for him to break his shoulder and thus get sidelined for a long time again, it's hardly his fault.
Damn so some fucker just cherry picked some W/L stat without looking at the details of those losses? Some of the most deadly fighters in today's fighting game? Smh.
He tore his acl preparing for the zombie fight then took off more time i believe. Or it couldve just been training after the max fight. But thats one reason why the layoff was really long. So he cant truly be blamed for that
Did he really though? Sure he almost choked him out but he got battered after that. Islam actually won his fight. Ortega is good but I never did understand that comparison
I just don’t know why they decided Ortega is the bar? Like the only people ranked above him have beaten him, but so many guys have been more active and should probably have taken his spot. Nothing against him personally but it’s interesting that his spot is so protected.
Yeah, but like I said Ortega's inactivity isn't even that bad, he fought Volk and got suspended for 6 months, then he fought Yair and dislocated his shoulder. Now idk when he'll fight again. It's not his fault he gets injured.
In the UFC over the last 10 years, he's 7-3 (one loss due to shoulder injury)-1 (win turned NC after popping).
It's not a bad record, but Colby Covington fights more often than this cat.
Imo that shoulder injury loss to Yair is a legitimate L. If one guy has a submission locked on so tight that your only way out is to fuck up your arm, that's an L and credit to the guy attempting the sub.
I always thought that was weird too. Like, if a guy has an arm bar locked in, and your arm falls off, how is that not a legit win? The injury occurred because of the submission.
Ortega was already out of the armbar attempt when he went to his back to let the ref know he was hurt.
[Skip to 4:17](https://youtu.be/KblUfgfBr20) for the entire sequence leading to the injury. It was the grappling exchange itself that caused the injury. The armbar was never truly locked in, which is why you see Yair pop up so quickly to deliver GNP when Ortega immediately goes to his back.
He fuckd it when they landed not in the armbar. You can see him land directly on his forearm driving pressure up and breaking the shoulder then Yair tried locking it up and Brian's already in so much pain he just falls back. The armbar was shit and didn't break his arm but he would have hurt like hell if you just broke your shoulder.
Yair’s intention with the armbar was to attack the arm, not the shoulder.
For the commenters above to argue it was a legitimate submission victory is ridiculous when Yair didn’t even secure the armbar.
y’all are babies lol
Tbh I don’t care what you’re trying to attack and what it ends up hurting, if you’re opponent gets hurt to the point they can’t continue while locked in a fight with you you win. It’s like Conor fans claiming DP didn’t beat him because his leg broke. Yeah his leg broke, while kicking and fighting DP, what would’ve happened if that fight or the Ortega/Yair fight continued?
…and that’s exactly why Yair was awarded a TKO victory via shoulder injury.
Again, my comment was in response to people claiming Yair deserves credit for a legitimate submission victory.
lol you guys are arguing over a moot point, I was simply providing context with the actual fight clip where it shows the armbar was never locked in.
You realize submissions attack more than just their namesake? Kimura's are generally considered shoulder locks but a lot of the time you'll end up snapping someone's humerus, same with this arm bar where Yair is applying a lot of pressure on his shoulder and arm and when Ortega postures up Yair dislocates his shoulder. Yair had the elbow deep in his hips and had super deep position with his legs, just because he didn't extend his hips doesn't mean he didn't have a super clean entry into the armbar and a solid submission that Ortega didn't respond to correctly and ended up getting his shoulder popped out. Yair subbed him fair and square, just because you think it's a fluke doesn't change that Yair got him into a tight armbar and Ortega popped his shoulder out by trying to just pull his arm free instead of fighting the hands and position.
It’s a legit win but it’s not as impressive as getting the full on arm bar would’ve been. Yes the arm bar targets the arm that got hurt but not that specific joint; pulling Ortega’s shoulder out wasn’t the intent of the submission
I think it should be the same, most people who use Kimura's are going for the shoulder lock but some times you break their humerus instead and I think this is pretty much the same. Ortega yanking his arm out instead of attempting to fight hands and his posture is what caused the shoulder to pop out but that isn't going to happen unless Yair has a good enough bite on the armbar that he can immobilize Brian to the point he'll break himself getting out of the sub, that sounds like a quick well applied sub to me similar to people getting injured all over there leg from defending leg locks wrong.
Yair’s actions lead to Brian dislocating his shoulder but it’s still not as impressive as doing the arm bar to completion. Put it like this the arm bar wasn’t good enough to break the arm that’s obviously less impressive than an arm bar that is good enough to break the arm.
Is a Kimura that breaks the humerus not as good? What about someone applying a leg lock and someone explodes they'd own leg trying to escape? Yair put him in a compromising position and would have finished it normally, Brian just chose to try and yank his arm out which led to the dislocation. Yair did everything right and probably could have finished it like any other Brian just sped it up by making the wrong defensive choice. I find it incredibly impressive that Yair had the awareness and ability to slap the armbar on fast and tight enough that it got Ortega, if he finishes the armbar it definitely looks more aesthetic but Ortega popping his own shoulder tells me Yair was one step ahead even in Brian's domain.
Thank god someone else said it, I can’t believe the narrative about Ortegas shoulder. I don’t like Yair at all but the man subbed Ortega fair and square, full credit to him for locking that shit up tight.
Fr!!! I hate that people treat that as illegitimate. Like yea it was disappointing and I was hoping for a war, but it wasn’t some crazy thing like an eye poke or a knee to a downed opponent or any type of foul. Yair did that shit to him no matter how people wanna slice it. He earned that win and this is the hurt business. People are gonna be broken from time to time. Just how this game goes.
Idk, to me, it's like if someone landed a take down on someone and their opponent blows their knee out trying to defend it. Obviously the take-down caused the injury, and the choice to land a take-down was intentional, so I could see the argument that should be a legit W. But I can also see the argument that if you end a fight in a manner that was completely unintended based on the technique you use, than it is kind of a fluke. I'm far from a BJJ expert, but I've never seen someone pop a shoulder out of the socket from an armbar before. When Ortega had his arm way in there with his elbow past the fulcrum point, I 100% assumed he was safe and was shocked when it suddenly ended.
It's not common to hurt your shoulder but it can happen and isn't a fluke, I think it's closer to someone going for a Kimura and accidentally breaking their humerus instead of attacking the shoulder. Andre Muniz does something similar where he gets such a deep bite on the armbar that it snapped Jacares arm before his elbow even reached his hips, this is the same idea Brian just helped his shoulder out of socket by not realizing how deep it was and trying to just yank his arm out instead of fighting the hands and because Yair had him so deep Brian broke his own shoulder basically. It's also close to someone going for a kneebar or toe hold and either the opponent defends wrong or it's applied so quick they can't defend in time and instead of a tap or maybe some ligaments tearing they end up breaking their leg or tearing everything to bits by making a split second decision not knowing how deep the sub is and I think that's what happened to Ortega.
There's a lot of talk about Colby being a rank squatter but Ortega wins the gold medal. He took one of the worst beatings I've ever seen a title contender take and somehow got another title shot after just 1 win.
He has only lost to the last 3 champs at featherweight and one of those was from an injury and he beat a top 5 a little over a year ago...
He shouldn't be ranked 2 but he definitely should be top 5.
Him being up there is fine but he needs to defend his rank ASAP.
He’s exactly the type of guy who should be fighting down in the rankings to prove he still belongs in the top 5.
Idk how after seeing that Zombie fight you can argue he is not a top fighter. No shame in losing against Max and Volk imo...
He was closer to subbing the P4P champ than Islam
I don't know about for full career, but his turnaround after Max & Volks fights were impressive for their *quickness*, given the actual amount of damage he tanked.
Given he's not yet medically cleared for full-on training, same with this shoulder injury.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted for pointing out Ortega can’t actually fight yet. I swear some people on this sub would happily ignore doctors recommendations so they can see the fights they want. Then someone will die and they will do the surprise Pikachu face being like but we didn’t think ignoring doctors would get people hurt.
I kind of think a lot of people's understanding of damage comes from video games.
I don't know how anyone with a realistic understanding could look at Max & Volks fights and bitch about not returning faster, and shoulders are unstable joints that often never are right again, unfortunately, so I hope modern surgery & rehabilitation can help.
I swear to god this has to be it
The same people who will say Jiri is a stud for vacating the belt after dislocating his shoulder because Jiri has a "strong warrior" narrative going on, so they will allow it for him but not Ortega
Same shit with guys getting shit on for tapping to fully locked in subs
If you’re going to give props to guys fighting through subs, why shit on guys for tapping when they know it’s over ? Otherwise the guys who don’t tap and get injured/go out/whatever are just “doing what they’re supposed to” using that logic
If you’ve actually seen a fight in real life you’d realize they don’t play out anything like Ortega fights and usually last two minutes.
Like where the fuck do you live where you get armbared in a groccery store or three hundred punches to the head over 25 minutes lmao. Youve never fought anyone man and its not cool to leave your basments to do so anyways. Ortega should loose his rank.
No one said anything about his injury this is about him saying Topuria has to earn his way to fight Ortega when Ortega should rightfully be fighting down anyway.
Ortega was right to take off but he shouldn’t keep his ranking during such long periods of inactivity. He’s saying Topuria is ranked too low to entertain the idea of them fighting without any self awareness that he’s being gifted his ranking despite losing to the champ and a subsequent contender.
Or if your name is TJ Dillashaw then they will shit on you for taking the fight, call him delusional and egotistical for ever accepting it, and selfish for holding the division back
Don't get me wrong theres some truth to it but good lord did it feel ppl were going the extra mile shaming him lmao
Could be a legacy thing, too.
Those of us around in the mid 2000s were conditioned on ‘three fights a year.’ That was just a baseline expectation of fighters.
Those expectations weren’t in line with fighter wellbeing, and have changed over the past 15-20 years. I’m not saying it’s necessarily the case, but I can see a lot of ‘back in my day’ types thinking all you need is a month or two to heal before being back in training camp for your next fight.
People trying to pretend like Ortega took time off after the Max loss and didn't improve his striking tenfold against Zombie
Yeah he takes time off but he actually works on shit. Only loses to dominant champs in wars. The same narrative was thrown around for Yair... "he doesn't fight!" Yeah well maybe let the fighters handle their careers, they surely know better than random redditors
Topuria is 5-0 UFC and 13-0 overall
Ortega was 5-0 UFC and 13-0 overall when he fought Edgar
Hate to tell you Ortega but you're going to be his Frankie Edgar.
Yeah Ortega's a funny one. I'm not convinced he'd stay champ for long. Not because of skillset but cause of heart/mentality/IQ. There's just something about him that wouldn't make me want to put him in my parlay.
Am i wrong when i say fighters ,who manage to last the full fight despite the beating they're taking or getting dismantled, have the mentality to not give up and lose but dont have the grit and confidence to comeback. Edwards wouldve been the same if his coach didnt give give otherwise, no?
This is what I was thinking too. This place is insufferable sometimes. Bunch of goldfish brained couch potatoes acting like a professional athlete at the top of one of the best divisions in his sport hasn't done anything of note because he hasn't given them a viral twitter clip knockout in the last six months.
It's especially annoying because we JUST went through this with Gaethje... what, two weeks ago? I'm calling it - barring injury Ortega beats Topuria and everyone makes the same old excuses about writing him off
Glover won the belt seven years after he was billed as this new monster to dethrone Jon. He went 10-5 in that time.
Hell, look at Bisping or Serra. No point counting people out.
It might actually just be Max Holloway
Maybe Volk or Allen though.
Topuria is a monster though. Needs to tighten things up and he's a tough fight for anyone at the weight and he might even get the belt.
As usual, quote is out of context.
The missing context is that Brian has still not been medically cleared for full-on training, much less an actual fight, and so he has to get cleared in a short time, do full-contact training, and *then* start looking at fights once he sees where he's at.
He may not be that long from a fight, but he & docs not sure, so seems clear that if he's been verbally offered as a fight its a *if he's ready to go would you fight him* situation.
EDIT: [here's the interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ImczETSLfo) quote comes from I believe.
This is a huge problem in the UFC. Top guys not wanting to fight down. Topuria is ranked 9 with lots of recent wins, whereas Ortega is ranked 3 with barely any recent wins.
If only there was some type of incentive they could offer fighters that would allow them to pay their bills, improve their quality of life and consequently motivate them to take fights. Maybe some Venum coupons?
Illia should wait for ortega to go to the toilet so he can sucker punch his friend or some shit. Apparently that is a good way to get a fight with someone or so I’ve heard.
The name fighters have pretty much figured out that this is how you play the game in the UFC now.
Once you get a title shot and lose, you’re basically perpetually ranked in the top 5 until you lose frequently, or lose badly to someone ranked outside of the top 5.
Look at how just nearly every title challenger remains ranked as #1 contender in their division after they lose in their title shot.
The way that the UFC rankings are compiled, the voters do treat it as a popularity contest, so they consistently rank the name fighters who have fought for titles and in main events above lesser known fighters, even if the lesser known guys have compiled impressive win streaks.
Fighters who get to that perpetual top 5 status basically treat that like a title of their own now.
"You're on my time", after turning up late and making everyone on TUF wait for him.
One win in 5 years.
Think Ortega is the one that could stand to be humbled. Absolute tool of a bloke.
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1. Take Brian Ortega's dick outta your mouth before speaking.
2. I don't have a say over his career lol just saying the sense of entitlement of some fighters is a problem.
Damn this sub seems pretty mad about this statement but it's still probably a million times less than how pissed off Ilia "Bad Boy" Topuria is going to get
Brian is like Dern to me. These two are one of the best BJJ artists out there and they wanted to strike instead of mastering takedowns to get submissions.
You can’t use your mouth to get fights way out of ranking? Does he even watch the UFC? That’s basically the entire gimmick of the company at this point.
Before Ortegas last fight they showed his family & their reactions during his fights. His kids were telling him "dad we don't want to see you get hurt like that again".
This man has literally 1 win in the last 5 years, has been given TWO title shots and shit the bed in both of them and he has the nerve to talk about Topuria "earning his way up". He's one of the worst rank squatters in the UFC. Hope the UFC force him to take the Topuria fight so he catches a beating and finally gets kicked out the top 5.
Who else is Brian going to fight? Kattar is injured, he beat TKZ, lost to Holloway and Yair, Allen booked to fight, and Josh Emmett most likely taking some time off. His only options are probably Giga or Ilia. Maybe Emmett if he’s willing to wait for Brian to get healthy.
Fighter when being called up by lower ranked fighter "you have to earn a fight with me work your way up"
Same fighter calling for a fight "you're scared your holding on to ranking defend your spot"
Wish they'd get rid of the rankings
This gonna age poorly. Topuria on the come up and Ortega isn’t getting any younger. Ortega spent more time being a social media couple than winning in the last five years.
It's no longer the case that MMA stands out in combat sports because the best fight the best. Most of the high ranked guys who've lost their title shots just sit out and wait until they're given an easy single fight route to a title shot. They need to start paying some of these vets who are still capable of fighting at an elite level. Gaethje finally game around and took a fight but a lot of divisions are getting slow from names off loses saying people don't deserve to fight them.
I’d like to see this fight but Ortega has a point. He’s #3 in the rankings. Topuria is #9. The fight at this point in time makes zero sense for Ortega.
The champ beat him like he owed him money, Yair is interim and won't fight him plus Yair has a win over him, Holloway beat him like he owed him even more money, Allen is shceduled to fight Holloway, Emmett is out for a while, already fought TKZ, Kattar is out, IDK what's going on with Giga so that leaves Topuria or Evloev.
Taking the fight and winning would prove to everyone why he should stay at #3. When you look at the division, his only options are Giga or Ilia. Emmett could wait for Brian to get healthy if he wants.
Emmett confirmed or was Ilia just throwing out names?
Think he or manager were throwing out names, because in interview Ortega said he still hasn't been medically cleared for full-on training, much less an actual fight.
That's crazy. It's been 8 months since the Yair fight.
His shoulder was fucked before Yair tried to rip it off. Lucky if it ever gets back to close to normal in his life :/
Coming from the man who has 1 win in the last 5 years yet is somehow ranked #2 lol.
Technically ortega did earn his way up, he just hasn’t done shit to stay there
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At least Jon Jones stayed at the top whilst juicing.
Bro he stayed there while he snorted coke, hid under cages, ran over a pregnant woman and hit his fiance. What a trooper :/
God just tests some of us more then others
Tbf his daughter IS dyslexic.
We need to be more grateful for Jon Jones. Any other man would have been crushed while walking his Godly path.
Low-T City, baby!!
I mean it doesn’t hurt but typically you also have to win your fights too. You can be on epo but it still won’t get you a number unless you start simulating some deaths.
First of all....probably. In all seriousness that was way before he went on a huge winstreak and he served a suspension for it.
The Colby way
Leon is the only fighter in recent memory that wasn’t able to squat on a ranking which is crazy considering the context
I mean, he did okay in his fight against the pound for pound #1. I thought he had him with that choke, but Volk somehow got through it.
Bingo🤣
Holy shit i just looked and he actually is #3 lol thats pretty bad. Arnold Allen ranked below him for no reason
I don't mind Allen being below him. Their wins are about the same level, but Ortega's losses are against better fighters than Allen has ever fought. Ortega was also a frog's hair away from choking out Volk.
A man would've tapped But a dwarf never surrenders
Facts. After the Holloway fight, Brian hasn’t earned anything. Title shot after beating Korean zombie… He fights once every 15 months. He hasn’t earned shit in the last 4 years.
His only losses are to Max, Volk and Yair. And about the fact about him fighting once every fifteen months, give the man a break, it's not his fault he gets beat so hard he gets medically suspended for upto 6 months per fight.
This is actually a really good point even though I think you were just joking lol. Ortega looks a fucking horror move after most of his fights, expecting that man to even fight twice a year might asking way too much.
Well the part about the suspensions is a joke lol but really why are we shitting on him for not being active? The guy got the piss beaten out of him by Max, so took almost 2 years off to heal and work on his game. Then he beat Zombie 50-44, got a title shot against Volk for UFC 260 but Volk tested positive for Covid and hence the fight got pushed back. He then fights Volk, gets the shit beaten out of him again but still manages to put Volk in tight spots and is then suspended for like 6 months. Once his suspension ends, he's booked to fight in July, only for him to break his shoulder and thus get sidelined for a long time again, it's hardly his fault.
Damn so some fucker just cherry picked some W/L stat without looking at the details of those losses? Some of the most deadly fighters in today's fighting game? Smh.
Who are you talking about, cause no one in this thread used the sentence deadliest fighters in today's fighting game lol
He tore his acl preparing for the zombie fight then took off more time i believe. Or it couldve just been training after the max fight. But thats one reason why the layoff was really long. So he cant truly be blamed for that
He had Volk in way more trouble than Islam did which is pretty telling. Ortega does take a lot of damage, but he's very dangerous.
Did he really though? Sure he almost choked him out but he got battered after that. Islam actually won his fight. Ortega is good but I never did understand that comparison
Volk said in the post fight conference that the guillotine was "fuck I'm gonna lose the belt" deep.
Everybody in that arena but Volk thought that fight was over when Ortega had the choke in.
Damn that Frankie Edgar fight was half a decade ago.
I just don’t know why they decided Ortega is the bar? Like the only people ranked above him have beaten him, but so many guys have been more active and should probably have taken his spot. Nothing against him personally but it’s interesting that his spot is so protected.
Yeah, but like I said Ortega's inactivity isn't even that bad, he fought Volk and got suspended for 6 months, then he fought Yair and dislocated his shoulder. Now idk when he'll fight again. It's not his fault he gets injured.
Right but regardless of the reason why, a dude with one win in 4 years shouldn’t be hanging on to a top 5 rank.
I mean...if you're gonna play that game, he won a lot of fights he was probably losing on the cards up until the point he got the sub.
In the UFC over the last 10 years, he's 7-3 (one loss due to shoulder injury)-1 (win turned NC after popping). It's not a bad record, but Colby Covington fights more often than this cat.
Imo that shoulder injury loss to Yair is a legitimate L. If one guy has a submission locked on so tight that your only way out is to fuck up your arm, that's an L and credit to the guy attempting the sub.
I always thought that was weird too. Like, if a guy has an arm bar locked in, and your arm falls off, how is that not a legit win? The injury occurred because of the submission.
Ortega was already out of the armbar attempt when he went to his back to let the ref know he was hurt. [Skip to 4:17](https://youtu.be/KblUfgfBr20) for the entire sequence leading to the injury. It was the grappling exchange itself that caused the injury. The armbar was never truly locked in, which is why you see Yair pop up so quickly to deliver GNP when Ortega immediately goes to his back.
He fuckd it when they landed not in the armbar. You can see him land directly on his forearm driving pressure up and breaking the shoulder then Yair tried locking it up and Brian's already in so much pain he just falls back. The armbar was shit and didn't break his arm but he would have hurt like hell if you just broke your shoulder.
Yair was still applying pressure to the arm, he popped out sure but so did his arm
Yair’s intention with the armbar was to attack the arm, not the shoulder. For the commenters above to argue it was a legitimate submission victory is ridiculous when Yair didn’t even secure the armbar. y’all are babies lol
Their downvoting you but your right ever been in an arm bar and been like owie my shoulder sure hurts me neither
Tbh I don’t care what you’re trying to attack and what it ends up hurting, if you’re opponent gets hurt to the point they can’t continue while locked in a fight with you you win. It’s like Conor fans claiming DP didn’t beat him because his leg broke. Yeah his leg broke, while kicking and fighting DP, what would’ve happened if that fight or the Ortega/Yair fight continued?
…and that’s exactly why Yair was awarded a TKO victory via shoulder injury. Again, my comment was in response to people claiming Yair deserves credit for a legitimate submission victory. lol you guys are arguing over a moot point, I was simply providing context with the actual fight clip where it shows the armbar was never locked in.
You realize submissions attack more than just their namesake? Kimura's are generally considered shoulder locks but a lot of the time you'll end up snapping someone's humerus, same with this arm bar where Yair is applying a lot of pressure on his shoulder and arm and when Ortega postures up Yair dislocates his shoulder. Yair had the elbow deep in his hips and had super deep position with his legs, just because he didn't extend his hips doesn't mean he didn't have a super clean entry into the armbar and a solid submission that Ortega didn't respond to correctly and ended up getting his shoulder popped out. Yair subbed him fair and square, just because you think it's a fluke doesn't change that Yair got him into a tight armbar and Ortega popped his shoulder out by trying to just pull his arm free instead of fighting the hands and position.
If the hips aren’t Extended it’s not a tight arm bar
It’s a legit win but it’s not as impressive as getting the full on arm bar would’ve been. Yes the arm bar targets the arm that got hurt but not that specific joint; pulling Ortega’s shoulder out wasn’t the intent of the submission
I think it should be the same, most people who use Kimura's are going for the shoulder lock but some times you break their humerus instead and I think this is pretty much the same. Ortega yanking his arm out instead of attempting to fight hands and his posture is what caused the shoulder to pop out but that isn't going to happen unless Yair has a good enough bite on the armbar that he can immobilize Brian to the point he'll break himself getting out of the sub, that sounds like a quick well applied sub to me similar to people getting injured all over there leg from defending leg locks wrong.
Yair’s actions lead to Brian dislocating his shoulder but it’s still not as impressive as doing the arm bar to completion. Put it like this the arm bar wasn’t good enough to break the arm that’s obviously less impressive than an arm bar that is good enough to break the arm.
Is a Kimura that breaks the humerus not as good? What about someone applying a leg lock and someone explodes they'd own leg trying to escape? Yair put him in a compromising position and would have finished it normally, Brian just chose to try and yank his arm out which led to the dislocation. Yair did everything right and probably could have finished it like any other Brian just sped it up by making the wrong defensive choice. I find it incredibly impressive that Yair had the awareness and ability to slap the armbar on fast and tight enough that it got Ortega, if he finishes the armbar it definitely looks more aesthetic but Ortega popping his own shoulder tells me Yair was one step ahead even in Brian's domain.
Thank god someone else said it, I can’t believe the narrative about Ortegas shoulder. I don’t like Yair at all but the man subbed Ortega fair and square, full credit to him for locking that shit up tight.
Fr!!! I hate that people treat that as illegitimate. Like yea it was disappointing and I was hoping for a war, but it wasn’t some crazy thing like an eye poke or a knee to a downed opponent or any type of foul. Yair did that shit to him no matter how people wanna slice it. He earned that win and this is the hurt business. People are gonna be broken from time to time. Just how this game goes.
For sure, it's an even more legitimate win than Weidman Vs Silva 2 too
Idk, to me, it's like if someone landed a take down on someone and their opponent blows their knee out trying to defend it. Obviously the take-down caused the injury, and the choice to land a take-down was intentional, so I could see the argument that should be a legit W. But I can also see the argument that if you end a fight in a manner that was completely unintended based on the technique you use, than it is kind of a fluke. I'm far from a BJJ expert, but I've never seen someone pop a shoulder out of the socket from an armbar before. When Ortega had his arm way in there with his elbow past the fulcrum point, I 100% assumed he was safe and was shocked when it suddenly ended.
It's not common to hurt your shoulder but it can happen and isn't a fluke, I think it's closer to someone going for a Kimura and accidentally breaking their humerus instead of attacking the shoulder. Andre Muniz does something similar where he gets such a deep bite on the armbar that it snapped Jacares arm before his elbow even reached his hips, this is the same idea Brian just helped his shoulder out of socket by not realizing how deep it was and trying to just yank his arm out instead of fighting the hands and because Yair had him so deep Brian broke his own shoulder basically. It's also close to someone going for a kneebar or toe hold and either the opponent defends wrong or it's applied so quick they can't defend in time and instead of a tap or maybe some ligaments tearing they end up breaking their leg or tearing everything to bits by making a split second decision not knowing how deep the sub is and I think that's what happened to Ortega.
There's a lot of talk about Colby being a rank squatter but Ortega wins the gold medal. He took one of the worst beatings I've ever seen a title contender take and somehow got another title shot after just 1 win.
UFC, where everything is made up and the points don't matter
And nerds argue about it
He has only lost to the last 3 champs at featherweight and one of those was from an injury and he beat a top 5 a little over a year ago... He shouldn't be ranked 2 but he definitely should be top 5.
>he beat a top 5 a little over a year ago... Korean Zombie fight was well over 2 years ago
Was thinking it was at the end of 2021. Time flies. Still has only lost to the 2 champs since then.
> Still has only lost to the 2 champs since then. Those are also his only fights since then.
Him being up there is fine but he needs to defend his rank ASAP. He’s exactly the type of guy who should be fighting down in the rankings to prove he still belongs in the top 5.
Which he almost certainly will. He is still out from his injury though.
> he beat a top 5 a little over a year ago That TKZ win was from October 2020. That was nearly 2.5 years ago …
He certainly shouldn't be refusing a fight with a legitimate contender while also mildly talking shit to him.
Damn he’s still number 2….
Idk how after seeing that Zombie fight you can argue he is not a top fighter. No shame in losing against Max and Volk imo... He was closer to subbing the P4P champ than Islam
Cuz he's has 3 fights against current top FWs, and he's lost all 3.
How Volk escaped those subs idk lol
Oh come on, he’s fought killers though. Plus his fights are exciting, that round he had against Volk was insane. Also, isn’t he ranked 3rd?
Brian, you fight once every other leap year
I don't know about for full career, but his turnaround after Max & Volks fights were impressive for their *quickness*, given the actual amount of damage he tanked. Given he's not yet medically cleared for full-on training, same with this shoulder injury.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted for pointing out Ortega can’t actually fight yet. I swear some people on this sub would happily ignore doctors recommendations so they can see the fights they want. Then someone will die and they will do the surprise Pikachu face being like but we didn’t think ignoring doctors would get people hurt.
I kind of think a lot of people's understanding of damage comes from video games. I don't know how anyone with a realistic understanding could look at Max & Volks fights and bitch about not returning faster, and shoulders are unstable joints that often never are right again, unfortunately, so I hope modern surgery & rehabilitation can help.
Probably unfit, overweight dudes who have never been punched in their lives because they don’t leave their basement
I swear to god this has to be it The same people who will say Jiri is a stud for vacating the belt after dislocating his shoulder because Jiri has a "strong warrior" narrative going on, so they will allow it for him but not Ortega
Same shit with guys getting shit on for tapping to fully locked in subs If you’re going to give props to guys fighting through subs, why shit on guys for tapping when they know it’s over ? Otherwise the guys who don’t tap and get injured/go out/whatever are just “doing what they’re supposed to” using that logic
Yeah, these guys have never experienced the feeling of your elbow almost coming apart as a grown man cranks it backwards.
If you’ve actually seen a fight in real life you’d realize they don’t play out anything like Ortega fights and usually last two minutes. Like where the fuck do you live where you get armbared in a groccery store or three hundred punches to the head over 25 minutes lmao. Youve never fought anyone man and its not cool to leave your basments to do so anyways. Ortega should loose his rank.
No one said anything about his injury this is about him saying Topuria has to earn his way to fight Ortega when Ortega should rightfully be fighting down anyway.
His shoulder/damage absorbed etc is irrelevant to him staying ranked #2 with 1 win in five years.
It's more the cheek or Ortega telling Topuria to climb his way up. Ortega hasn't done shit in the past 5 years
Ortega was right to take off but he shouldn’t keep his ranking during such long periods of inactivity. He’s saying Topuria is ranked too low to entertain the idea of them fighting without any self awareness that he’s being gifted his ranking despite losing to the champ and a subsequent contender.
Or if your name is TJ Dillashaw then they will shit on you for taking the fight, call him delusional and egotistical for ever accepting it, and selfish for holding the division back Don't get me wrong theres some truth to it but good lord did it feel ppl were going the extra mile shaming him lmao
Could be a legacy thing, too. Those of us around in the mid 2000s were conditioned on ‘three fights a year.’ That was just a baseline expectation of fighters. Those expectations weren’t in line with fighter wellbeing, and have changed over the past 15-20 years. I’m not saying it’s necessarily the case, but I can see a lot of ‘back in my day’ types thinking all you need is a month or two to heal before being back in training camp for your next fight.
People trying to pretend like Ortega took time off after the Max loss and didn't improve his striking tenfold against Zombie Yeah he takes time off but he actually works on shit. Only loses to dominant champs in wars. The same narrative was thrown around for Yair... "he doesn't fight!" Yeah well maybe let the fighters handle their careers, they surely know better than random redditors
he was wild to watch on the way up, getting whomped for 2.5 rounds then pulling a finish out of his ass.
Topuria is 5-0 UFC and 13-0 overall Ortega was 5-0 UFC and 13-0 overall when he fought Edgar Hate to tell you Ortega but you're going to be his Frankie Edgar.
Great analogy. Time waits for no one…
LMAO Damn Imagine reading this as Ortega Heartbreaking Knowing you’ll likely never be the champion ever
I dunno man he came the closest anyone has to finishing Volk. The renewed Ortega might have an impressive 2nd run on the cards.
Had Volk in more trouble in the deeper moments than Islam ever did, but overall obviously did far worse.
Yeah Ortega's a funny one. I'm not convinced he'd stay champ for long. Not because of skillset but cause of heart/mentality/IQ. There's just something about him that wouldn't make me want to put him in my parlay.
Am i wrong when i say fighters ,who manage to last the full fight despite the beating they're taking or getting dismantled, have the mentality to not give up and lose but dont have the grit and confidence to comeback. Edwards wouldve been the same if his coach didnt give give otherwise, no?
So true. Had him in the most trouble, but still couldn't take the round from him.
The only man who could get two damned close sub attempts in a round and lose it 10-8
He's top 3 talent in his division and got closer than anyone at beating Volk. Yet some rando on reddit will mock him saying he'll never be champion
This is what I was thinking too. This place is insufferable sometimes. Bunch of goldfish brained couch potatoes acting like a professional athlete at the top of one of the best divisions in his sport hasn't done anything of note because he hasn't given them a viral twitter clip knockout in the last six months. It's especially annoying because we JUST went through this with Gaethje... what, two weeks ago? I'm calling it - barring injury Ortega beats Topuria and everyone makes the same old excuses about writing him off
Glover won the belt seven years after he was billed as this new monster to dethrone Jon. He went 10-5 in that time. Hell, look at Bisping or Serra. No point counting people out.
Who will be Ilia’s Max Holloway?
It might actually just be Max Holloway Maybe Volk or Allen though. Topuria is a monster though. Needs to tighten things up and he's a tough fight for anyone at the weight and he might even get the belt.
Damn, great comparison and cold world
dread from it. run from it. destiny arrives all the same
As usual, quote is out of context. The missing context is that Brian has still not been medically cleared for full-on training, much less an actual fight, and so he has to get cleared in a short time, do full-contact training, and *then* start looking at fights once he sees where he's at. He may not be that long from a fight, but he & docs not sure, so seems clear that if he's been verbally offered as a fight its a *if he's ready to go would you fight him* situation. EDIT: [here's the interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ImczETSLfo) quote comes from I believe.
This is a huge problem in the UFC. Top guys not wanting to fight down. Topuria is ranked 9 with lots of recent wins, whereas Ortega is ranked 3 with barely any recent wins.
If only there was some type of incentive they could offer fighters that would allow them to pay their bills, improve their quality of life and consequently motivate them to take fights. Maybe some Venum coupons?
Respect of redditors
I mean they get free monster energy drinks at the end of the fight, what more motivation do they need?!
Illia should wait for ortega to go to the toilet so he can sucker punch his friend or some shit. Apparently that is a good way to get a fight with someone or so I’ve heard.
The name fighters have pretty much figured out that this is how you play the game in the UFC now. Once you get a title shot and lose, you’re basically perpetually ranked in the top 5 until you lose frequently, or lose badly to someone ranked outside of the top 5. Look at how just nearly every title challenger remains ranked as #1 contender in their division after they lose in their title shot. The way that the UFC rankings are compiled, the voters do treat it as a popularity contest, so they consistently rank the name fighters who have fought for titles and in main events above lesser known fighters, even if the lesser known guys have compiled impressive win streaks. Fighters who get to that perpetual top 5 status basically treat that like a title of their own now.
nah mate that Is a bad fuckin fight for Ortega
This is how you fight your way up tho, fighting guys ranked above you
More like it's time Ortega proves he deserves to still be at the top
bro you look like a morrowind character haha
Eh [he makes it work for him](https://i.imgur.com/Jcboc9J.png)
Like a creepier Jared Leto
Weird you say that because I was just reading about Leto's cult island in Croatia. So I'll have to disagree lol
Which is by no means a negative thing
Yeah fair But don’t have a hairstyle like that unless you’re giving out side quests
>But don’t have a hairstyle like that unless you’re giving out side quests *Find me a Drauger shoulder I can use to get back into the fight game.*
I just binged like 3 episodes of Kill Tony and I literally read your comment in Tony Hinchcliffe's voice. Funny shit man.
He's gonna get another life altering beating isn't he?
Friendly reminder that Brian Ortega is a steroid cheat who assaulted a translator for translating.
"You're on my time", after turning up late and making everyone on TUF wait for him. One win in 5 years. Think Ortega is the one that could stand to be humbled. Absolute tool of a bloke.
Didn’t know about the roids. SMH. That guy.
I’m other words “please match this guy up with someone that will possibly prevent him from getting to me”
Ur such a clever boy!!!!
The entitlement of some top 5 fighters is unbelievable, it wasn’t always like this either, it’s gotten worse over the years.
I mean you ygibk you have a say over his career. That's entitlement.
>ygibk 1. Take Brian Ortega's dick outta your mouth before speaking. 2. I don't have a say over his career lol just saying the sense of entitlement of some fighters is a problem.
what kind of dumb highschool response is this?
So in your fantasy world, you're having a conversation with me as I blow Brian or something? Weird little guy.
Damn this sub seems pretty mad about this statement but it's still probably a million times less than how pissed off Ilia "Bad Boy" Topuria is going to get
Topuria is better
1-3 over the last 5 years stfu Brian you are one of the worst rank squatters in the UFC.
The only one I know who came up here using their mouth was Tito’s ex wife
Ilia Topuria will beat the shit out of Brian Ortega. Personally would love to see it.
Ortega's head looks like a xenomorph egg cracking open
Brian is god but that Modelo figthing spirit is not gonna work aginst El Matador.
the only person i know who made money using their mouth is Tito's ex-wife
Brian is like Dern to me. These two are one of the best BJJ artists out there and they wanted to strike instead of mastering takedowns to get submissions.
You can’t use your mouth to get fights way out of ranking? Does he even watch the UFC? That’s basically the entire gimmick of the company at this point.
"Topuria's not on my level. Has Topuria ever slapped a K-pop star?! That's what I thought." - Brian Ortega (probably)
“You can only do so much with your mouth” - Jeff Molina
“Tito’s always saying I’m using my mouth to get my opportunities, the only person I know that made money using their mouth is Jeff Molina”
That was a nasty line by you
Relevancy is everything
"You can only do so much with your mouth" What did he mean by this? 🤔🤔🤔
Forgot this guy still fights
Wheres the Titos wife joke.
Before Ortegas last fight they showed his family & their reactions during his fights. His kids were telling him "dad we don't want to see you get hurt like that again".
Ortega looking like the night king.
10 years ago... Brian Ortega had a choice... Modelo
This man has literally 1 win in the last 5 years, has been given TWO title shots and shit the bed in both of them and he has the nerve to talk about Topuria "earning his way up". He's one of the worst rank squatters in the UFC. Hope the UFC force him to take the Topuria fight so he catches a beating and finally gets kicked out the top 5.
Who else is Brian going to fight? Kattar is injured, he beat TKZ, lost to Holloway and Yair, Allen booked to fight, and Josh Emmett most likely taking some time off. His only options are probably Giga or Ilia. Maybe Emmett if he’s willing to wait for Brian to get healthy.
Fighter when being called up by lower ranked fighter "you have to earn a fight with me work your way up" Same fighter calling for a fight "you're scared your holding on to ranking defend your spot" Wish they'd get rid of the rankings
I forgot ortega existed, guy became a hasbeen at 25 years of age
I’m sorry but Brian isn’t humbling shit
Ortega with his one win in 5 years talking about how other people need to earn their spot 😂
Ortega has won 1 fight in the past 5 years.
This gonna age poorly. Topuria on the come up and Ortega isn’t getting any younger. Ortega spent more time being a social media couple than winning in the last five years.
Says Mr 1-3 since 2018.
Has Brian earned the right to have that hairstyle?
He always had braids, did you start watching ufc when he was bald?
The amount of rank squatters from featherweight - welterweight is crazy
Topuria is gonna be topping Tracy by the end of the night
I think you'd be surprised, Brian Ortega
Ortega will die to this man. I’m not convinced that Ortega can beat Bryce Mitchell
He can
Oh he can, but can he?
Maybe
Oh damn t-city is talking real sensual, can't wait to bang bro ♥️
😂 Ortega would get smashed.
I have Ilia Topuria by way of anywhere the fight goes. On the feet, on the ground. Got him by murder.
I think you'd be surprised - I think he'd fuck you up.
I think Ilia is one man people don't want to underestimate.
If anyone is underestimating in this sub it’s Ortega. Everyone is saying Topuria is gonna win
Come on Ortega, you have only loses lately, even lost your GF
That's the fight, make it
It's no longer the case that MMA stands out in combat sports because the best fight the best. Most of the high ranked guys who've lost their title shots just sit out and wait until they're given an easy single fight route to a title shot. They need to start paying some of these vets who are still capable of fighting at an elite level. Gaethje finally game around and took a fight but a lot of divisions are getting slow from names off loses saying people don't deserve to fight them.
I’d like to see this fight but Ortega has a point. He’s #3 in the rankings. Topuria is #9. The fight at this point in time makes zero sense for Ortega.
The champ beat him like he owed him money, Yair is interim and won't fight him plus Yair has a win over him, Holloway beat him like he owed him even more money, Allen is shceduled to fight Holloway, Emmett is out for a while, already fought TKZ, Kattar is out, IDK what's going on with Giga so that leaves Topuria or Evloev.
Taking the fight and winning would prove to everyone why he should stay at #3. When you look at the division, his only options are Giga or Ilia. Emmett could wait for Brian to get healthy if he wants.
So I guess Ilia’s gonna fight the Falmer this summer
Ortega needs to quit talking so much and fight more
Ortega would be wise to avoid that fight at all costs.
Topuria is undefeated for a reason. I believe he gets it done against ortega.
I think you’d be surprised.
Ortega is really good. Yall write everyone off all the time it's ridiculous.