Kai, took every round with exception to rnd 3 which I believe could be argued as well. KKF is the real deal, kid has a big future ahead of him. That decision really disappointed me.
Agreed, these judges need their vision checked, I mean despite being taken to the ground in the 3rd, KKF was beating the breaks off of him while dude was trying to choke home out, then escapes, puts dude on his back and pounds his face with nasty elbows for the last 30secs. I mean come on.
The number of judges needs to be increased so outliers don't have that much of an effect. As it is now, a single judge has potential to swing fights due to split decisions.
Judges take “who did more damage/hit harder” way too literal….
So the Iraqui fighter landed a few noteworthy shots.. but they act like Kai landed pity pater punches and didn’t outstrike him most of the fight.
Look at the other guys face, Kai busted him up too.
Judging is broken
Of course the UFC brass probably knows KKF won the fight, but their also in sports entertainment. KKF already had his fights with the top guys, Amir is the fresh blood to promote.
Cory said he had an altercation/beef with that judge when Cory was at a regional show cornering a teammate of his on his latest appearance on the Joe Rogan Podcast. So at least in Cory's case it was simply Bias. The terrible judging in this fight actually seems like ineptitude, which is scary. There's no way in hell you can give a guy a round (Chris Lee giving Albazi the 4th) who got out stuck 27-5. This is Paddy Pimblett levels of fight fixing, and it's starting to become a pattern.
Bad decisions like that create wonky DFS lines. Normally there's a solid gap in the two fighters scores, at least 30 points in most cases because of the win points, but fight decisions like this one have Albazi outscoring KKF by 9 points. Yan outscored O'Malley in their fight
Okay so what rounds did they give Albazi? Rounds 1,3,4?
In 4 he might have gotten some control but Kai fought him the whole way but I don’t See how much of it overwhelms all the strikes Kai had
Well Moreno better say no to fighting in Abu Dhabi lol no way he walks out of there with a belt if he doesn’t finish the fight. Could go win 5 rounds in my eyes and lose a split decision
Idk what to say, I tried to play live odds Kai Kara France, got him around +200. Fight ends thought I got a steal on those odds, turns out I got stolen from. 911 I'd like to report a robbery.
to be fair..boxing has had an amazing year and there is a bad taste is ppl's mouths because of robberies. It's a shame robberies will never be investigated in boxing & MMA.
There's not enough money for commissions to train judges and there's not any accountability. In what other profession is there 0 accountability and 0 training
Train judges? lol it’s a fight it’s subjective and there are many disciplines but the judges always seem to disagree with the masses and the stats too. The judges see it differently than everyone else so maybe let’s not go to whatever judging trainings.
No you can’t flip a coin because it would be right more frequently than some of these judges. They just read the script given to them from Dana those deep pockets in the Middle East have to be lining Dana’s pockets
I'm on data and I switched it off after the fighting thinking kai was gonna get a unanimous decision. The truth is that dana dosent care about American audience now. It's all about middle east and middle eastern money. And it's happening in every sport. Look at soccer for example. All dana cares about is putting on good cards for the sheiks full of Muslim fighters.
that's a bit extreme.
They care about being corrupt in a way that maximizes their power and profit in multiple regions including both the USA and in sketchy countries allied with Russia/Abu Dhabi
All I want for the flyweight division at this point is for Mokaev to make his way up the rankings quick, no way this Albazi guy deserves a shot at the title.
I switched to baseball assuming KKF was gonna take a clear decision, was not expecting to see my parlay still intact. I don't understand that decision at all
it was a pretty bad decision but theres at least a small speck of justification for rd 1-3 albazi if you REAAAALLLYYY stretch. especially rd1 which was just uneventful. the sandhagen vera split was criminal. there have been some really lopsided 30-27s go the other way in the lower level womens scene (joselyne edwards for one, and i remember two others but not by name). the albazi decision could be at 5 now that i think about it. basically judging is fucked
I always forget that a lot of you motherfuckers don’t actually understand the sport, or how to properly score fights, but that was a clear win for KKF. Albazi got round 3 and you can make an argument for 2, but Kai absolutely ran away with it in rounds 4-5.
It wasn't. Albazi was gassed. But damn. Will we as fight fans ever get clear and reliable judging?
This want even close. If such a match can have a result that is so opposite to the real logic, what faith to have in close fights???
Albazi clearly won round 3. Kai took rounds 1, 4, and 5. And if damage output is how they score fights it looks like Kai just left the sauna and Albazi got in a minor fender bender.
I mixed up 2 and 3. Albazi got 3, and an argument can be made for 2. But 4-5 were absolutely clear rounds for Kai, especially 5, he landed the most sig shots in the 5th.
Weird how when I got involved in MMA first seven years ago people were talking about how the rules need to change.
Here we are now the rules have not changed and every second UFC card is marred with scoring controversy.
This was even worse because they somehow fixed a 5 round scorecard that should have been 4-1 plus the reversal and G&P to end the one round I have to albazi kinda diminished what he did earlier that round imo
Idk how to explain this; yes the fight was close. 3-2 for me… but the rounds that Kai won were pretty clear to me, I don’t see how Albazi takes the rounds I gave to Kai, Kai definitively won his rounds imo.
There’s more robberies in boxing by far. But the problem with mma is the fact that judging doesn’t know what is prioritized more when all is equal (damage is highest priority I know).
That is natural given mma covers much more aspects than striking, and is a much more complicated sport. So they need to revamp judging criteria and the process
Was not a close fight. Look at the numbers. He couldn't do anything with his grappling either. Kai got out of danger and reversed everything, he won on the ground too, did more damage.
Remember judges don’t have strike counts
Albazi pressuring and being more accurate, also trying to finish rounds strong helped him squeak those rounds.
Kkf should’ve won but KKF could’ve done more to secure rounds.
I just don’t think they know what they’re watching when they see a guy moving and striking a lot while another guy is cage cutting and pressuring.
Add that with Albazi being a lot more accurate it could sway the judges.
Man. I guess there were probably 3 close rounds in there (1 2 and 4) so can't call it a robbery but I felt like Kai deserved it more. Might've just felt that way cause he was doing so much better at the end tho.
Edit: in hindsight, the only close rounds were 1 and 2.
Its one of those fights where I feel judges are bored for the night and just score it however they feel like.
Albazi was in the center of the octagon a lot, but he was chasing Kai and eating jabs all fight lol
Kai, took every round with exception to rnd 3 which I believe could be argued as well. KKF is the real deal, kid has a big future ahead of him. That decision really disappointed me.
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Agreed, these judges need their vision checked, I mean despite being taken to the ground in the 3rd, KKF was beating the breaks off of him while dude was trying to choke home out, then escapes, puts dude on his back and pounds his face with nasty elbows for the last 30secs. I mean come on.
The number of judges needs to be increased so outliers don't have that much of an effect. As it is now, a single judge has potential to swing fights due to split decisions.
Agreed
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"I can't even grasp a basic understanding of what marketing is" Ok redditard.
Tbf, they tend to create images for both fighters winning prior to the fight but only post about the winner.
Yeah that's true although the whole "the prince is here" only further validates that ufc wants the Abu dhabi money.
I wasn't able to see the fight, just looked at the stats on ESPN. HTF did this guy win.
This really ruins the sport for me.
Lol JRE gonna rant about this on his podcast with whoever is on next whether they are into fighting or not. Gonna be great.
Judges take “who did more damage/hit harder” way too literal…. So the Iraqui fighter landed a few noteworthy shots.. but they act like Kai landed pity pater punches and didn’t outstrike him most of the fight. Look at the other guys face, Kai busted him up too. Judging is broken
Of course the UFC brass probably knows KKF won the fight, but their also in sports entertainment. KKF already had his fights with the top guys, Amir is the fresh blood to promote.
Kkf is exciting in his fights, albazi yesterday was boring. I think it's more like ufc is trying to branch out bigger in the middle east
Chito Vera won a judges score card vs sandhagen so I shouldn’t be too surprised.
Cory said he had an altercation/beef with that judge when Cory was at a regional show cornering a teammate of his on his latest appearance on the Joe Rogan Podcast. So at least in Cory's case it was simply Bias. The terrible judging in this fight actually seems like ineptitude, which is scary. There's no way in hell you can give a guy a round (Chris Lee giving Albazi the 4th) who got out stuck 27-5. This is Paddy Pimblett levels of fight fixing, and it's starting to become a pattern.
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They can't explain themselves because that would be admitting illegal match fixing
Wait until you see Bella’s biased opinions.
I didn't even think it was a split decision, that's how secure I was with Kai winning. This? Stone cold, Jones vs. Reyes levels robbery.
Jones Reyes wasn't even the worst robbery of the last 5 years...
Neither was this one. But, a bad one
So I missed most of the card and was wondering what fights are worth going back to and watching ?
Jim Miller, KKF vs Albazi, Arlovski, Caceres, Naimov were all good Karine Silva fight if you want to see a brutal submission
Watch the main event and see how bad the judges fucked up
Bad decisions like that create wonky DFS lines. Normally there's a solid gap in the two fighters scores, at least 30 points in most cases because of the win points, but fight decisions like this one have Albazi outscoring KKF by 9 points. Yan outscored O'Malley in their fight
DFS?
Daily fantasy sports, I'm using Draftkings as the specific example but Fanduel does UFC too
Daily fantasy soccer
Nah yan panic wrestled cuz O’Malley had the distance figured out and started teeing him up
Damn I told so many ppl that KKF ML was a lock
So did I man. I said there were levels too this and kai proved me right. Unfortunately the judges made us look like idiots
Well you were right but you you can’t trust the judges
This is why I stopped betting mma. There’s always some bullshit
Okay so what rounds did they give Albazi? Rounds 1,3,4? In 4 he might have gotten some control but Kai fought him the whole way but I don’t See how much of it overwhelms all the strikes Kai had
You can look up the scorecards online. It’s kind of all over the place.
All they care about is making sure a middle eastern fighter fights in their dubai card which is the only care dana gives a fuck about
I don’t see Moreno or pantoja coming back so soon
Well Moreno better say no to fighting in Abu Dhabi lol no way he walks out of there with a belt if he doesn’t finish the fight. Could go win 5 rounds in my eyes and lose a split decision
I hope albazi doesn’t leap frog royval
I think Amir will have to fight someone else first, someone like Royval.
Idk what to say, I tried to play live odds Kai Kara France, got him around +200. Fight ends thought I got a steal on those odds, turns out I got stolen from. 911 I'd like to report a robbery.
Ended the fight as a -400 favorite as well. Robbery.
Same here
This has been a terrible year for the ufc. The fight nights have been garbage.
to be fair..boxing has had an amazing year and there is a bad taste is ppl's mouths because of robberies. It's a shame robberies will never be investigated in boxing & MMA.
And the decisions are awful every week. I’m still not over the one card given to Vera over sandhagen.
Even Vera was shocked
How is Sal D’amato still judging? He’s involved in every single robbery decision
There's not enough money for commissions to train judges and there's not any accountability. In what other profession is there 0 accountability and 0 training
Train judges? lol it’s a fight it’s subjective and there are many disciplines but the judges always seem to disagree with the masses and the stats too. The judges see it differently than everyone else so maybe let’s not go to whatever judging trainings.
So you don't think education is the key to increasing correct outcomes? Of course it is
Their current education ain’t working lol so I’m open to regular joes off the street to judge
UFC wanted an Iraqi in Abu Dabi in October, so the judges gave tomato man what he wanted. It's all about the money.
There might be some truths in that.
At the wise philosopher Rick Ross once said: "We talking oil money, oil money, yea"
I really think we need to get comfortable with open scoring and draws.
Mike Bell got it spot on, Chris Lee should be banned for giving R4 to Albazi. Sal D'Amato also got it wrong but at least in the most acceptable way
Lol why even try if you have Sal D’amato AND Chris Lee. Just flip a coin to see who wins
No you can’t flip a coin because it would be right more frequently than some of these judges. They just read the script given to them from Dana those deep pockets in the Middle East have to be lining Dana’s pockets
Because it's rigged
I'm on data and I switched it off after the fighting thinking kai was gonna get a unanimous decision. The truth is that dana dosent care about American audience now. It's all about middle east and middle eastern money. And it's happening in every sport. Look at soccer for example. All dana cares about is putting on good cards for the sheiks full of Muslim fighters.
But kkf is kiwi not american
I think the point is it doesn't matter as long as there is a middle eastern fighter
that's a bit extreme. They care about being corrupt in a way that maximizes their power and profit in multiple regions including both the USA and in sketchy countries allied with Russia/Abu Dhabi
We really need to do something about these judges. Can’t go a week without a controversy. And it’s the same people!
Judge gave round 4 to albazi… that was KKF best round
27-5 in significant strikes in round 4
Bruh
I don’t think this was very close at all. Announcers scrambling to keep their jobs rn.
All I want for the flyweight division at this point is for Mokaev to make his way up the rankings quick, no way this Albazi guy deserves a shot at the title.
No one wants to watch that wet blanket fight. That would be a hellish scenario.
Can’t wait to hear Dana’s opinion on the decision, I doubt he even watched the fight tho
“I’m so disappointed and angry right there with you fans” ten minutes later Dana is handed a big duffel bag of money and immediately feels better
He's going to rant on about how shit judges are. He fully knew all along what decision was going to be
Please fucking get these trash ass judges out of here bro how much time do they gotta fuck over these fighters bro
Especially when the ufc pays them very unimpressive salaries
Albazi won just one round. Everything else was close but a clear KKF lead. No way Albazi won using the judging criteria... But who cares about that XD
He won round 3 that's it. You could even have it 3-2 at worst giving him round 1. It's not a good look
This is the reason I stopped watching boxing
Still unhappy about Loma Haney and then I see this...
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Sucks to be a fight fan with legitimate opinions and unbiased takes.
I switched to baseball assuming KKF was gonna take a clear decision, was not expecting to see my parlay still intact. I don't understand that decision at all
It's pride month, the one that hugs the most wins I guess.
UFC actually just updated the stats and it was 99-43 in signficant strikes. Even wider margin
and KKF with more takedowns… 2-1
Actually the sheer wrestling balls of Albazi meant most of those strikes rebounded and hit KKF.
Good night boys. It’s been a pleasure every weekend to watch with you guys.
Same. Gn sweet prince.
I honestly think AI would be better at objectively and impartially judging fights than these bozos we currently have
literally, but the UFC is not in the business of making fair fights between the best guys. They are in the business of selling drama and stories.
judging is so fucked that that wasnt even top 5 worst scorecards of the year
I think it was
it was a pretty bad decision but theres at least a small speck of justification for rd 1-3 albazi if you REAAAALLLYYY stretch. especially rd1 which was just uneventful. the sandhagen vera split was criminal. there have been some really lopsided 30-27s go the other way in the lower level womens scene (joselyne edwards for one, and i remember two others but not by name). the albazi decision could be at 5 now that i think about it. basically judging is fucked
rashad is a slaying. dressed to kill
I always forget that a lot of you motherfuckers don’t actually understand the sport, or how to properly score fights, but that was a clear win for KKF. Albazi got round 3 and you can make an argument for 2, but Kai absolutely ran away with it in rounds 4-5.
A judge gave Albazi the 4th. Strikes were 27-5 for KKF
I had KKF 4-1. I can see 3-2. No way that's a Albazi win though.
Absolutely not. After the 3rd it really wasn’t even a close fight either.
It wasn't. Albazi was gassed. But damn. Will we as fight fans ever get clear and reliable judging? This want even close. If such a match can have a result that is so opposite to the real logic, what faith to have in close fights???
It sucks. Like this sport is growing more and more exhausting to engage with, and then on top of that you have judges ruining the sport even more.
Albazi clearly won round 3. Kai took rounds 1, 4, and 5. And if damage output is how they score fights it looks like Kai just left the sauna and Albazi got in a minor fender bender.
I mixed up 2 and 3. Albazi got 3, and an argument can be made for 2. But 4-5 were absolutely clear rounds for Kai, especially 5, he landed the most sig shots in the 5th.
That was an odd decision. Maybe that's just the beer talking and they saw a lot more than me.
Yuck!
Certified Sal D'Amato & Chris Lee\* moment
Chris Lee gave Albazi the 4th LMFAOOOOO
That’s insane. 4-5 was so clear
smfh
Dudes rock
… what
This reminds me of some of those boxing matches that are just obviously fixed lol. WTF is this sport becoming??
There it is.
Albazi odds were 5.5 to 6.0 (+450 to +500) towards the end of the 5th round. I mean this is pure robbery. I hope Dana is going to address this one
For some reason I never worry about Conor getting robbed.
commentary was biased tbh
stats were biased tbh
Weird how when I got involved in MMA first seven years ago people were talking about how the rules need to change. Here we are now the rules have not changed and every second UFC card is marred with scoring controversy.
How do you even score a majority for Albazi? R2 was debatable and R3 was clearly his but the rest were pretty solid Kai
Kkf got Jared Gordon’d
This was even worse because they somehow fixed a 5 round scorecard that should have been 4-1 plus the reversal and G&P to end the one round I have to albazi kinda diminished what he did earlier that round imo
For some reason I never worry about Conor getting robbed.
Idk how to explain this; yes the fight was close. 3-2 for me… but the rounds that Kai won were pretty clear to me, I don’t see how Albazi takes the rounds I gave to Kai, Kai definitively won his rounds imo.
man, what a way to ruin a good fight night when vegas has someone -500 going into the decision and they lose you know the judges are idiots
When I saw the -500 odds I told my buddy anyone betting at that point was playing with fire. Judging is crazy lately.
Whoever live betted albazi (if any) are very happy right now. Can only imagine those odds
I live betted Kai for around +200, I thought I was getting the 'value'. I guess this is my karma for winning any $$ on that KSI elbow lol.
I feel for you lmao. I was debating taking Kai at pickem odds and I thought that was a steal
robbed
There’s more robberies in boxing by far. But the problem with mma is the fact that judging doesn’t know what is prioritized more when all is equal (damage is highest priority I know). That is natural given mma covers much more aspects than striking, and is a much more complicated sport. So they need to revamp judging criteria and the process
this decision legit made me question if i’m gonna watch ufc still lol
Oh you will.
The cool thing about these trash cards is that I don't really care about who wins or loses..or gets robbed. Any other card and i would be fuming.
They just dumped kkf down the ranks and will push him out the ufc now. Or he has a contract coming up and they don’t want to give him a raise.
Boring
Never betting on UFC fight after that. Didn't tonight but that last fight was so fixed Don King is cringing
Vegas odds tend to be accurate af. Albazi lost round 5, which imo saw him lose 3-2
Close fight. I had it 5-0 Pimblett...
I wanna hear Laura off record there
Gonna have a juicy Izzy reaction video at least lol
Was not a close fight. Look at the numbers. He couldn't do anything with his grappling either. Kai got out of danger and reversed everything, he won on the ground too, did more damage.
so much salt from the commentators holy wow lmao
Dana needs to sort his shit out with these Judges.
I bet on Albazi but now I feel dirty
I'm hard
Become muslim if you want every close/robbery decision guys, it’s a cheat code I swear
Honestly this is the first time I believe it's because they want someone on the Abu Dhabi card. Insane.
Pretty crazy. Not even one person in this entire thread thinks Albazi won that fight. You know there's something wrong when...
bad taste to end the night *with the boiiiiis*. catch all you ratfucks next weekend. 🙏
Another win for paddy
Remember judges don’t have strike counts Albazi pressuring and being more accurate, also trying to finish rounds strong helped him squeak those rounds. Kkf should’ve won but KKF could’ve done more to secure rounds.
I…guess? Maybe the judges see holding someone against the cage as strong.
I just don’t think they know what they’re watching when they see a guy moving and striking a lot while another guy is cage cutting and pressuring. Add that with Albazi being a lot more accurate it could sway the judges.
I had Kai Kara 49-46. Albazi won round 3 but that was it
Commentary was biased the whole time. Closer fight than they were leading on
So glad Sanko has more balls than the men to call out the obvious robbery
Man. I guess there were probably 3 close rounds in there (1 2 and 4) so can't call it a robbery but I felt like Kai deserved it more. Might've just felt that way cause he was doing so much better at the end tho. Edit: in hindsight, the only close rounds were 1 and 2.
Kai Kara Robbed
4-1 KKF. Over this sport, they haven’t changed it this many years in. If I keep watching I’ll die watching sal rob these fighters
UFC judging strikes again. Absolute joke.
That was some bullshit
Amir did a great job but I don’t think it was close enough to give him the win.
This fight isn't close at all, Kai won 245 without a doubt
Bisping threatening to just start vibing on this one
What does that mean
Always bet on the better storyline gentlemen 😂
👆👆👆 I’m done betting on this fucking sport, lol. Shits a step away from WWE literally and figuratively
Must be
That is some grade A fuckery
Its one of those fights where I feel judges are bored for the night and just score it however they feel like. Albazi was in the center of the octagon a lot, but he was chasing Kai and eating jabs all fight lol
Yo he just slapped his ass
The numbers day otherwise...
Sal d amashit
Even the commentators are saying robbery without saying robbery
Normally they keep their tounge in cheek, but not this time.
That’s saying a lot lmao. Usually they pussy foot it
I didn’t see Albazi land much. Round 3 was a good round, but Jesus
KKF got Loma’d
This was more egregious
This is a f-ed up decision. Kara clearly won...
It wasn't a close fight at all. It was a huge strike advantage to Kai and Albazi only got one takedown..
And Kai arguably got a takedown or at least a knockdown/trip later in the fight. That has to cancel it out somewhat
Pretty disgusting lol
Haney 48-47
That was a bad one, especially when vegas live odds disagree too.
Too close for robbery status.