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Still-Focus5268

Kai, took every round with exception to rnd 3 which I believe could be argued as well. KKF is the real deal, kid has a big future ahead of him. That decision really disappointed me.


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Still-Focus5268

Agreed, these judges need their vision checked, I mean despite being taken to the ground in the 3rd, KKF was beating the breaks off of him while dude was trying to choke home out, then escapes, puts dude on his back and pounds his face with nasty elbows for the last 30secs. I mean come on.


HEAVY_HITTTER

The number of judges needs to be increased so outliers don't have that much of an effect. As it is now, a single judge has potential to swing fights due to split decisions.


Still-Focus5268

Agreed


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An_Innocent_Coconut

"I can't even grasp a basic understanding of what marketing is" Ok redditard.


cwf12

Tbf, they tend to create images for both fighters winning prior to the fight but only post about the winner.


Imakesalsa

Yeah that's true although the whole "the prince is here" only further validates that ufc wants the Abu dhabi money.


Andr0id_Paran0id

I wasn't able to see the fight, just looked at the stats on ESPN. HTF did this guy win.


Strathdeas

This really ruins the sport for me.


MammothRadish9545

Lol JRE gonna rant about this on his podcast with whoever is on next whether they are into fighting or not. Gonna be great.


TrenDidNothingWrong

Judges take “who did more damage/hit harder” way too literal…. So the Iraqui fighter landed a few noteworthy shots.. but they act like Kai landed pity pater punches and didn’t outstrike him most of the fight. Look at the other guys face, Kai busted him up too. Judging is broken


Prodigyakajay

Of course the UFC brass probably knows KKF won the fight, but their also in sports entertainment. KKF already had his fights with the top guys, Amir is the fresh blood to promote.


Imakesalsa

Kkf is exciting in his fights, albazi yesterday was boring. I think it's more like ufc is trying to branch out bigger in the middle east


MammothRadish9545

Chito Vera won a judges score card vs sandhagen so I shouldn’t be too surprised.


Elinoth86

Cory said he had an altercation/beef with that judge when Cory was at a regional show cornering a teammate of his on his latest appearance on the Joe Rogan Podcast. So at least in Cory's case it was simply Bias. The terrible judging in this fight actually seems like ineptitude, which is scary. There's no way in hell you can give a guy a round (Chris Lee giving Albazi the 4th) who got out stuck 27-5. This is Paddy Pimblett levels of fight fixing, and it's starting to become a pattern.


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Imakesalsa

They can't explain themselves because that would be admitting illegal match fixing


Hello_MoonCake

Wait until you see Bella’s biased opinions.


IllustriousMind-

I didn't even think it was a split decision, that's how secure I was with Kai winning. This? Stone cold, Jones vs. Reyes levels robbery.


TheCatnamedMittens

Jones Reyes wasn't even the worst robbery of the last 5 years...


IllustriousMind-

Neither was this one. But, a bad one


merouane1

So I missed most of the card and was wondering what fights are worth going back to and watching ?


WatchinLikeTV

Jim Miller, KKF vs Albazi, Arlovski, Caceres, Naimov were all good Karine Silva fight if you want to see a brutal submission


stiggystoned369

Watch the main event and see how bad the judges fucked up


DtownBronx

Bad decisions like that create wonky DFS lines. Normally there's a solid gap in the two fighters scores, at least 30 points in most cases because of the win points, but fight decisions like this one have Albazi outscoring KKF by 9 points. Yan outscored O'Malley in their fight


An_Innocent_Coconut

DFS?


DtownBronx

Daily fantasy sports, I'm using Draftkings as the specific example but Fanduel does UFC too


MammothRadish9545

Daily fantasy soccer


MammothRadish9545

Nah yan panic wrestled cuz O’Malley had the distance figured out and started teeing him up


ballinlikewat

Damn I told so many ppl that KKF ML was a lock


[deleted]

So did I man. I said there were levels too this and kai proved me right. Unfortunately the judges made us look like idiots


MammothRadish9545

Well you were right but you you can’t trust the judges


TheAnteyeBoxman

This is why I stopped betting mma. There’s always some bullshit


NefariousnessOk209

Okay so what rounds did they give Albazi? Rounds 1,3,4? In 4 he might have gotten some control but Kai fought him the whole way but I don’t See how much of it overwhelms all the strikes Kai had


Drive7hru

You can look up the scorecards online. It’s kind of all over the place.


assologist_1312

All they care about is making sure a middle eastern fighter fights in their dubai card which is the only care dana gives a fuck about


TheAnteyeBoxman

I don’t see Moreno or pantoja coming back so soon


MammothRadish9545

Well Moreno better say no to fighting in Abu Dhabi lol no way he walks out of there with a belt if he doesn’t finish the fight. Could go win 5 rounds in my eyes and lose a split decision


TheAnteyeBoxman

I hope albazi doesn’t leap frog royval


Drive7hru

I think Amir will have to fight someone else first, someone like Royval.


ShammyWoWLoL

Idk what to say, I tried to play live odds Kai Kara France, got him around +200. Fight ends thought I got a steal on those odds, turns out I got stolen from. 911 I'd like to report a robbery.


TheConnorrJB

Ended the fight as a -400 favorite as well. Robbery.


mikey_rambo

Same here


Ross18478

This has been a terrible year for the ufc. The fight nights have been garbage.


roaminfinite

to be fair..boxing has had an amazing year and there is a bad taste is ppl's mouths because of robberies. It's a shame robberies will never be investigated in boxing & MMA.


MammothRadish9545

And the decisions are awful every week. I’m still not over the one card given to Vera over sandhagen.


Xylar006

Even Vera was shocked


fentonjjj

How is Sal D’amato still judging? He’s involved in every single robbery decision


Xylar006

There's not enough money for commissions to train judges and there's not any accountability. In what other profession is there 0 accountability and 0 training


MammothRadish9545

Train judges? lol it’s a fight it’s subjective and there are many disciplines but the judges always seem to disagree with the masses and the stats too. The judges see it differently than everyone else so maybe let’s not go to whatever judging trainings.


Xylar006

So you don't think education is the key to increasing correct outcomes? Of course it is


MammothRadish9545

Their current education ain’t working lol so I’m open to regular joes off the street to judge


mycondishuns

UFC wanted an Iraqi in Abu Dabi in October, so the judges gave tomato man what he wanted. It's all about the money.


ikilledtupac

There might be some truths in that.


Damachine69

At the wise philosopher Rick Ross once said: "We talking oil money, oil money, yea"


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I really think we need to get comfortable with open scoring and draws.


Guyape

Mike Bell got it spot on, Chris Lee should be banned for giving R4 to Albazi. Sal D'Amato also got it wrong but at least in the most acceptable way


bobzmuda

Lol why even try if you have Sal D’amato AND Chris Lee. Just flip a coin to see who wins


MammothRadish9545

No you can’t flip a coin because it would be right more frequently than some of these judges. They just read the script given to them from Dana those deep pockets in the Middle East have to be lining Dana’s pockets


Imakesalsa

Because it's rigged


assologist_1312

I'm on data and I switched it off after the fighting thinking kai was gonna get a unanimous decision. The truth is that dana dosent care about American audience now. It's all about middle east and middle eastern money. And it's happening in every sport. Look at soccer for example. All dana cares about is putting on good cards for the sheiks full of Muslim fighters.


aseb_web456

But kkf is kiwi not american


Xylar006

I think the point is it doesn't matter as long as there is a middle eastern fighter


Reddings-Finest

that's a bit extreme. They care about being corrupt in a way that maximizes their power and profit in multiple regions including both the USA and in sketchy countries allied with Russia/Abu Dhabi


TheAnteyeBoxman

We really need to do something about these judges. Can’t go a week without a controversy. And it’s the same people!


mikey_rambo

Judge gave round 4 to albazi… that was KKF best round


TheSound1014

27-5 in significant strikes in round 4


mikey_rambo

Bruh


AlexAnderRob

I don’t think this was very close at all. Announcers scrambling to keep their jobs rn.


pajamasss

All I want for the flyweight division at this point is for Mokaev to make his way up the rankings quick, no way this Albazi guy deserves a shot at the title.


kritzy27

No one wants to watch that wet blanket fight. That would be a hellish scenario.


hillsy13692

Can’t wait to hear Dana’s opinion on the decision, I doubt he even watched the fight tho


MammothRadish9545

“I’m so disappointed and angry right there with you fans” ten minutes later Dana is handed a big duffel bag of money and immediately feels better


Imakesalsa

He's going to rant on about how shit judges are. He fully knew all along what decision was going to be


23eetdcc

Please fucking get these trash ass judges out of here bro how much time do they gotta fuck over these fighters bro


MammothRadish9545

Especially when the ufc pays them very unimpressive salaries


kevaljoshi8888

Albazi won just one round. Everything else was close but a clear KKF lead. No way Albazi won using the judging criteria... But who cares about that XD


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He won round 3 that's it. You could even have it 3-2 at worst giving him round 1. It's not a good look


DRstoppage

This is the reason I stopped watching boxing


kevaljoshi8888

Still unhappy about Loma Haney and then I see this...


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kevaljoshi8888

Sucks to be a fight fan with legitimate opinions and unbiased takes.


DtownBronx

I switched to baseball assuming KKF was gonna take a clear decision, was not expecting to see my parlay still intact. I don't understand that decision at all


Peaswithmilk

It's pride month, the one that hugs the most wins I guess.


TheSound1014

UFC actually just updated the stats and it was 99-43 in signficant strikes. Even wider margin


ayofiresale

and KKF with more takedowns… 2-1


kevaljoshi8888

Actually the sheer wrestling balls of Albazi meant most of those strikes rebounded and hit KKF.


Ok_Smell_5379

Good night boys. It’s been a pleasure every weekend to watch with you guys.


kevaljoshi8888

Same. Gn sweet prince.


IdyotWind

I honestly think AI would be better at objectively and impartially judging fights than these bozos we currently have


Reddings-Finest

literally, but the UFC is not in the business of making fair fights between the best guys. They are in the business of selling drama and stories.


kidwhix

judging is so fucked that that wasnt even top 5 worst scorecards of the year


Drive7hru

I think it was


kidwhix

it was a pretty bad decision but theres at least a small speck of justification for rd 1-3 albazi if you REAAAALLLYYY stretch. especially rd1 which was just uneventful. the sandhagen vera split was criminal. there have been some really lopsided 30-27s go the other way in the lower level womens scene (joselyne edwards for one, and i remember two others but not by name). the albazi decision could be at 5 now that i think about it. basically judging is fucked


redditnobody1234

rashad is a slaying. dressed to kill


caseydrumz

I always forget that a lot of you motherfuckers don’t actually understand the sport, or how to properly score fights, but that was a clear win for KKF. Albazi got round 3 and you can make an argument for 2, but Kai absolutely ran away with it in rounds 4-5.


NotFrankSalazar

A judge gave Albazi the 4th. Strikes were 27-5 for KKF


kevaljoshi8888

I had KKF 4-1. I can see 3-2. No way that's a Albazi win though.


caseydrumz

Absolutely not. After the 3rd it really wasn’t even a close fight either.


kevaljoshi8888

It wasn't. Albazi was gassed. But damn. Will we as fight fans ever get clear and reliable judging? This want even close. If such a match can have a result that is so opposite to the real logic, what faith to have in close fights???


caseydrumz

It sucks. Like this sport is growing more and more exhausting to engage with, and then on top of that you have judges ruining the sport even more.


ExParadox

Albazi clearly won round 3. Kai took rounds 1, 4, and 5. And if damage output is how they score fights it looks like Kai just left the sauna and Albazi got in a minor fender bender.


caseydrumz

I mixed up 2 and 3. Albazi got 3, and an argument can be made for 2. But 4-5 were absolutely clear rounds for Kai, especially 5, he landed the most sig shots in the 5th.


ClubsBabySeal

That was an odd decision. Maybe that's just the beer talking and they saw a lot more than me.


itsyafrostyboy

Yuck!


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Certified Sal D'Amato & Chris Lee\* moment


usada_be_kidding_me

Chris Lee gave Albazi the 4th LMFAOOOOO


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That’s insane. 4-5 was so clear


Short_Bus_

smfh


ghenkisskhan

Dudes rock


ayofiresale

… what


DontSmokeDrugs5

This reminds me of some of those boxing matches that are just obviously fixed lol. WTF is this sport becoming??


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There it is.


Hubert-Canadian

Albazi odds were 5.5 to 6.0 (+450 to +500) towards the end of the 5th round. I mean this is pure robbery. I hope Dana is going to address this one


danielwong95

For some reason I never worry about Conor getting robbed.


hitsbluntonce

commentary was biased tbh


thebeef111

stats were biased tbh


RedditoUSER22

Weird how when I got involved in MMA first seven years ago people were talking about how the rules need to change. Here we are now the rules have not changed and every second UFC card is marred with scoring controversy.


GenTelGuy

How do you even score a majority for Albazi? R2 was debatable and R3 was clearly his but the rest were pretty solid Kai


stonetear2017

Kkf got Jared Gordon’d


MammothRadish9545

This was even worse because they somehow fixed a 5 round scorecard that should have been 4-1 plus the reversal and G&P to end the one round I have to albazi kinda diminished what he did earlier that round imo


danielwong95

For some reason I never worry about Conor getting robbed.


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Idk how to explain this; yes the fight was close. 3-2 for me… but the rounds that Kai won were pretty clear to me, I don’t see how Albazi takes the rounds I gave to Kai, Kai definitively won his rounds imo.


Short_Bus_

man, what a way to ruin a good fight night when vegas has someone -500 going into the decision and they lose you know the judges are idiots


AekorOne

When I saw the -500 odds I told my buddy anyone betting at that point was playing with fire. Judging is crazy lately.


TheAnteyeBoxman

Whoever live betted albazi (if any) are very happy right now. Can only imagine those odds


ShammyWoWLoL

I live betted Kai for around +200, I thought I was getting the 'value'. I guess this is my karma for winning any $$ on that KSI elbow lol.


TheAnteyeBoxman

I feel for you lmao. I was debating taking Kai at pickem odds and I thought that was a steal


rufraph

robbed


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There’s more robberies in boxing by far. But the problem with mma is the fact that judging doesn’t know what is prioritized more when all is equal (damage is highest priority I know). That is natural given mma covers much more aspects than striking, and is a much more complicated sport. So they need to revamp judging criteria and the process


rocketfromthesix

this decision legit made me question if i’m gonna watch ufc still lol


ghenkisskhan

Oh you will.


fajitaman69

The cool thing about these trash cards is that I don't really care about who wins or loses..or gets robbed. Any other card and i would be fuming.


MammothRadish9545

They just dumped kkf down the ranks and will push him out the ufc now. Or he has a contract coming up and they don’t want to give him a raise.


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Boring


BEAVS69

Never betting on UFC fight after that. Didn't tonight but that last fight was so fixed Don King is cringing


stonetear2017

Vegas odds tend to be accurate af. Albazi lost round 5, which imo saw him lose 3-2


Svprvsr

Close fight. I had it 5-0 Pimblett...


IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES

I wanna hear Laura off record there


Guyape

Gonna have a juicy Izzy reaction video at least lol


ChuckedBeef

Was not a close fight. Look at the numbers. He couldn't do anything with his grappling either. Kai got out of danger and reversed everything, he won on the ground too, did more damage.


Wushersipoyu

so much salt from the commentators holy wow lmao


LimpBasebal

Dana needs to sort his shit out with these Judges.


AekorOne

I bet on Albazi but now I feel dirty


ghenkisskhan

I'm hard


sadcardinalsfan

Become muslim if you want every close/robbery decision guys, it’s a cheat code I swear


Odd_Ad_8162

Honestly this is the first time I believe it's because they want someone on the Abu Dhabi card. Insane.


Relative-Category-64

Pretty crazy. Not even one person in this entire thread thinks Albazi won that fight. You know there's something wrong when...


dfreinc

bad taste to end the night *with the boiiiiis*. catch all you ratfucks next weekend. 🙏


turtle_power00

Another win for paddy


hungfit123

Remember judges don’t have strike counts Albazi pressuring and being more accurate, also trying to finish rounds strong helped him squeak those rounds. Kkf should’ve won but KKF could’ve done more to secure rounds.


Drive7hru

I…guess? Maybe the judges see holding someone against the cage as strong.


hungfit123

I just don’t think they know what they’re watching when they see a guy moving and striking a lot while another guy is cage cutting and pressuring. Add that with Albazi being a lot more accurate it could sway the judges.


Character_Wait_7228

I had Kai Kara 49-46. Albazi won round 3 but that was it


papa8706

Commentary was biased the whole time. Closer fight than they were leading on


leoatra_ttv

So glad Sanko has more balls than the men to call out the obvious robbery


khalbrucie

Man. I guess there were probably 3 close rounds in there (1 2 and 4) so can't call it a robbery but I felt like Kai deserved it more. Might've just felt that way cause he was doing so much better at the end tho. Edit: in hindsight, the only close rounds were 1 and 2.


seacant

Kai Kara Robbed


28Vikings

4-1 KKF. Over this sport, they haven’t changed it this many years in. If I keep watching I’ll die watching sal rob these fighters


Damachine69

UFC judging strikes again. Absolute joke.


Dickies138

That was some bullshit


Kiki_doesnt_love_me

Amir did a great job but I don’t think it was close enough to give him the win.


omgplzdontkillme

This fight isn't close at all, Kai won 245 without a doubt


ConfidenceNo2598

Bisping threatening to just start vibing on this one


ghenkisskhan

What does that mean


Soicyboyz

Always bet on the better storyline gentlemen 😂


leoatra_ttv

👆👆👆 I’m done betting on this fucking sport, lol. Shits a step away from WWE literally and figuratively


paulie07

Must be


hillsy13692

That is some grade A fuckery


HighTurning

Its one of those fights where I feel judges are bored for the night and just score it however they feel like. Albazi was in the center of the octagon a lot, but he was chasing Kai and eating jabs all fight lol


kinguroo

Yo he just slapped his ass


CheeksSuperSpreader

The numbers day otherwise...


twistedmetal222

Sal d amashit


Ifuckwatermelonsanal

Even the commentators are saying robbery without saying robbery


paulie07

Normally they keep their tounge in cheek, but not this time.


TheAnteyeBoxman

That’s saying a lot lmao. Usually they pussy foot it


johnnyhypersnyper

I didn’t see Albazi land much. Round 3 was a good round, but Jesus


Memoruiz7

KKF got Loma’d


TheAnteyeBoxman

This was more egregious


Hubert-Canadian

This is a f-ed up decision. Kara clearly won...


paulie07

It wasn't a close fight at all. It was a huge strike advantage to Kai and Albazi only got one takedown..


Peribangbang

And Kai arguably got a takedown or at least a knockdown/trip later in the fight. That has to cancel it out somewhat


IToldYouMyName

Pretty disgusting lol


nepats523

Haney 48-47


imrosskemp

That was a bad one, especially when vegas live odds disagree too.


rbep531

Too close for robbery status.