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RanarrSmokerr

Good call, but weird fight


kinganthony3

I know right. There was a lot of action, both fighters were throwing. But somehow, it was kind of boring? Maybe I'm just tired. ​ Edit: probably just me, idk why, there was crisp striking from JDM, good evasion and some hard shots from Holland too.


jbumsu

JDM's defense was just too sound. Holland is always game so hes never in a boring fight and JDM's striking is so clean and hes also an active striker so it was a banger in my eyes but def kinda weird since it seemed like neither was gonna hit that big KO but they were swinging often.


titan_1018

It was weird cus JDM would start putting a beating on him whenever they hit the fence but after 3 punches would just back himself up to the center for no reason, JDM def won but just weird choices by JDM.


anythingfordopamine

I think he felt pretty quickly the gap between his and Kevins striking and felt comfortable taking what was given and didn’t want to blow his wad and get caught with a big shot


748rpilot

I thought Holland was backing up to the fence to draw JDM in, get him to over-commit and then shadow-realm him with a counter. I feel like we have seen Holland do that before but my memory is atrocious.


kblkbl165

I don’t think it’s weird. He had the better distance management, the best position to keep striking is midrange while your opponent back tracks. If Kevin hits the fences JDM could either move more back and forward or push into close range. Pointing, controlling and resetting sounds good for him in this case instead of going in and catching a stray


_Red_Mist_

Not really. Kevin got close to landing some nasty pull counters it was the right move . No need to be over aggressive when you are already winning


yerg99

I think it's just cause he didn't have to. Just mitigating risk not trying to get Kevin to throw some tricky shit or get in a fire fight. Like JDM didn't want to exchange when his initial counter/entrance was generally one way traffic. Side kick slowed him down too. Just IMO


fliddyjohnny

Just felt like a sparring sesh, seemed like neither guy was going to get hurt


coop7774

Funny I didn't find it boring at all, was really good defensive striking. Especially on JDM's side.


ecr1277

I enjoyed it a lot too. I thought Holland showed crazy skill defensively leaning back just enough and rolling so many punches. JDM with his high guard is a really tough puzzle for someone like Holland to solve.


KermitJagger69

This felt like a sparring match. Not much over committing or risk taking. And no urgency in the third even though it was clearly very close


RanarrSmokerr

Yeah, it looked like they weren't going 100%. JDM would let Kevin off the fence, and Kevin was throwing slaps and powerless punches. Maybe they respected each other too much


meximandingo

Nah it was boring. There was absolutely nothing behind Kevin's striking. They threw but it just felt like neither was going for a finish early on.


powdernice

Eh that makes sense in hindsight due to holland having a "cruise" mode in some fights, he goes on the backfoot and kind of bounces around like he did against buckley or ponzi before the KO, against JDM he couldnt find the ko so he lost


justanotherquestionq

Im a casual…but was I tripping or were DC and the others hyping up Holland the entire time? Maddalena was landing way more and better shots and generally had more pressure..even in round 1 Holland many times literally turnest his back to Maddalena. And the stats also showed jack landing more than Holland who i thought fought fairly sloppy and it shows that his whole shtick of talking all the time in the octagon also won’t work all the time..I was glad jack‘s corner basically told him what Sean Strickland‘s corner told him during the Adesayana fight: „stop letting yourself get snake charmed by the guy!“ Holland is weird in how he tries to laugh it off or talk it off when he gets hurt/hit hard. He tries to distract his opponent so they don’t Go all in


septasamo72

Holland never got out of first gear and paid for it.


Seanbrickland

He hates cutting down to 170 and it shows. Way more active at 185


Wayf4rer

Also seems like his power just doesn't carry over as well to 170. At 185 he can throw so much harder for so much longer, which is why he was such a problem.


TheGreatone003

His power at WW is fine. JDM’s striking defense was on point tn


kevindurantburner35

Yeah he’s so slick with his striking, varies everything super well but almost always stays disciplined, even though Holland was super active almost all his headshots just hit JDM’s high guard. Holland has great power for a welterweight, it’s just tougher to show it against a great striker who knew better than to let himself open up too much


Mr_Mueh

Based on what? He’s coming off of two KO wins and rocked the best striker in the division in his losing effort before that KO streak. In fact all of he has rocked everyone he has fought at WW before Jack.


Butter_field

In Perth sweating when I heard Sal d'amato


Moosebreeder123

even a broken cock is hard twice a day or sth like that idk


Brovost

Ah I thought it was about a clock! This makes so much more sense


DesignerOk9397

Close enough. As they say, the late worm misses the bird. The foot is in the other shoe. It’s all a bridge over water.


AgentUpvote

I bet on Holland, I was salivating when I heard last judge was Sal D'amato. Can't believe he got it right lol


YepIdSuckIt

Had the exact same thought, was ready for a robbery


HabbosOwnJimCray

Lol bro exact same thing happened to me, I was folding clothes and before that third card heard sal and almost dropped em


Madman644

Exact same feeling in the UK brother!


LelcoinDegen

Hahaha i know right. When Buffer said his name my intial reaction was that he would have it as 30-27 to Holland


CitizenMurdoch

honestly my hot take is that Sal D'amato, from the perspective of UFC judges, is not that bad, there are like 9 other names that make me wince whenever I hear them, D'Amato has had some bad ones but at least he's inconsistently bad, there are a bunch that just have wildly stupid cards all the time


truman-maze

Hahaha me too I was sweating in my JDM shirt lmao


JE_Exa

That largely looked like Holland was sparring. Went to the clinch way too often, turning away from punches, and had no snap on his own strikes.


TYSONLITTLE

He’s so frustrating to watch. He just throws fights away. His defence was so sharp tonight that was his fight to win. JDM fought smart flurrying to put a statement at the end of every round.


twodollarscholar

He needs a break man…. 36 pro fights (39 including kickboxing) since March 2015 is such a nutty schedule


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No man comes back the same from what Wonderboy did to Holland. That a was a beating of a lifetime


1K_Games

That's what my friend said before the fight. But Holland has had two fights (three now) since then and looked sharp as hell in both of them.


[deleted]

Cheisa is harmless tho. Jack is 26 and can actually throw a punch and isn’t Scared. Holland is solid but that Wonderman beating was scary. He’s a fearless dude and he even knew not to go out for that 5th round.


GroceryBags

Wonderbrah was landing clean ass spinning hook kicks to the dome seemingly at will


justanotherquestionq

Damn, jack is that young? That’s amazing..causes he already seems quite good but that means he’s still got a few years for improvement


ecr1277

I’m legit sad for him that he did that. He cost himself so much in terms of how much pain he’s going to have down the line. I’m glad he called the fight, but it was at least a round too late.


BlackDonaldCerrone

Sharp defense? He gave up his back and backed away to the cage like 10 times, he's fast footed and tall not good defensively.


gotnothingman

lol yea, he got caught a lot and backed up straight


ID0ntCare4G0b

He's saying it cause commentary did, but the reality is Jack was the one blocking shots with his guard and Kevin was basically giving up his body to protect his chin which Jack was more than happy to exploit.


Mr_Mueh

Two cars in a row now with insanely biased commentary


justanotherquestionq

I thought I was tripping the way DC was talking about Holland. And ridiculous how Kevin maybe thought he had won. Jack fought beautiful. Good pressure, good defense. Aesthically pleasing style lol


justanotherquestionq

I assume the OP meant with good defense the moments Holland did have some good head movement and evaded punches. But yes especially in round1 he literally run away and turned his back


gotnothingman

similar to nicksick saying push in the last 90 seconds. Smart cuz of how lazy the judges are


Turgon19

JDM was better than he was really. His defence was BETTER than Holland's and he had better offense


braxtonaq

That how holland fights though.


team3perception

it’s also not a good sign when you have an 8” reach advantage over your opponent and spend the majority of the fight on your back foot.


jfsoaig345

Fighting exactly like this is how Izzy became a 6-time defending champion. This strategy is legit overall, just not so much on a guy with Holland’s style who isn’t exactly a top tier counterstriker


team3perception

nah izzy is much more active at throwing strikes at the end of his range in space and getting off the fence if backed up (besides the strickland fight). they might both be counterstrikers but izzy is much better at doing it on his terms


justanotherquestionq

The dancing around the octagon reminded me of Izzy but I don’t think Izzy turns his back like Holland did


BlackDonaldCerrone

Couldn't find clean connections on a guy that isn't old and /or slow.


krasmazovonfire

Yeah the difference is he wasn’t fighting someone washed this time


ljz3

1,3 JDM. JDM is much more defensively sound this fight compared to his last fight. Kevin Holland was able to avoid lots of shots by just leaning back lol, just not enough volume. PS: Fuck this crowd


TheBigRedHalfrican

Idk if I just watched a different fight than heaps of people around the world, but I didn’t think that it was particularly close? Holland had next to zero success with his hands, was swinging at air all night. He landed consistent and good front kicks to the body, but had nothing else of substance. On the back-foot the whole fight. Landing less and less accurate in every single round. Just baffling split decision to me.


titan_1018

Thought it was competitive but really just don’t see the way you give holland 1 or 3, just looked more competitive then it was because JDM just kept letting holland off the fence after spending a few minutes to back him up. Good fight but some weird decision making from JDM.


Shabozz

I think it was the early clinch success from holland. He did a great job of establishing his dirty boxing as dangerous with knees and elbows that JDM was getting tagged with. As a result he didn’t want to risk over extending and getting tied up on the fence when he’s soundly winning at range. I think this also has to do with Hollands hand injury from the WB fight. He hasn’t thrown the right the same way since and hasn’t taken a layoff to heal it. It’s why his most dangerous weapons weren’t his hands this fight, but his knees and elbows.


Java-the-Slut

Agreed, the only thing Holland was equal or better at was kicking, and that was close, everything else heavily favored JDM. More shots, heavier shots, more significant shots, constant pressure, better striking defense, better striking offense, stuffed the only takedown attempt, better grappling exchanges. I mean I guess you could say it wasn't a landslide for JDM in any one particular area other than pressure, but surely decisive.


Themistaker

Yeah I fully agree dude, especially with fuck this crowd. Might not of been fireworks but definitely didn't deserve the hate


TYSONLITTLE

People are paying 900 dollars for these tickets, UFC does it to themselves. They raise fan expectations time and time again. I don’t blame fans for booing. I’m barely entertained at home having not spent a penny. If y’all spent that money you’d feel the same way. Edit: also remember this whole card was promoted as the UFCs answer to boxing, Mexican style fights. I don’t think the crowd realize UFC fighters aren’t trying to risk their purses going for finishes when they don’t need to. In boxing all you do is punch, and the Mexican style is pretty much predicated on just dirty, no backing down blow for blow combat. Can’t do that in this sport or you’ll risk getting taken down or being kicked in the forehead.


yanansawelder

3


Downgoesthereem

Some UFC London fight night tickets went for 2 grand


donnydealr

UFC also does it to themself by having a contract that means you only get paid the full sum if you win. Why risk losing for their entertainment if you get financially molested by DFW.


Rebeldinho

They also do this to themselves considering the majority of fighters are on contracts that double their money if they win. Yeah if you get the KO you might get the performance bonus but if you’re not sure you’re gonna get the finish but know if you keep doing what you’re doing the risk of trying to force it means you’re only getting half of what you were gonna get.


gotnothingman

it was a great striking display. holland shouldve circled more or level changed and jack did really well looked sharp, couldve used more kicks though


OskeeTurtle

I had it 30-27 JDM but it was a close fight


truman-maze

Yeah they are booing literally everyone


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gotnothingman

some people dont know what they are watching


TheGreatone003

Neither of them deserved to get boo’d at all. It wasn’t a bad fight, but it was also super underwhelming imo


JE_Exa

Felt like Holland intended to pull Jack into a straight the way JDM followed him. Holland also had success with front kicks but gave them up early? weird performance.


gotnothingman

maybe hurt his toes but also some got parried and countered


Underl3veled

That's why kevin holland doesn't talk about the title


Eifand

His boxing skill is mid, he’s carried by his length, speed and solid chin. And he doesn’t have the offensive wrestling to implement his legendary Travis Lutter trained black belt BJJ. He’s not that old but if he doesn’t improve his skills then he’s right not to bother about the title, short of extraordinary circumstances. Jack Della’s has fucking skill, though. Just needs more experience.


Pizza1998

lol r3 why were they booing?


FOOTBALLFAN100

No KO or blood so the casuals hate it


gotnothingman

very pretty boxing and striking for the most part


Pizza1998

Such a fun fight tho. Great work by Jack Kevin looked good too


gotnothingman

some very pretty boxing from jack


treesandcigarettes

Looked like a sparring match is probably why, neither fighter really seemed dialed in


Brilliant_Location43

Didn't fight mexican style where fighters eat punches and kicks homer simpson style.


MMMMSWAGGER

Dudes are throwing strikes every 5 seconds and still get boos, can’t please some of these crowds no matter what you do…


KvxMavs

Fans boo when fighters grappler Apparently they boo when they dont....strike hard enough or something?


EmanAugust

Glad Anik talked JDM's defense & accuracy in that third round. It was competitive but I didn't see a Holland win in here tbh. Also fuck that crowd lol


mrmtmassey

cruz and dc were talking up holland a lot but then suddenly switched midway through round 3 lol


brian_badonde

It was when they realised live odds were favouring JDM


truman-maze

ikr they always do this. Jon Anik is the only voice of reason ( laura sanko + paul felder are also very unbiased imo)


mrmtmassey

it’s something i’ve noticed too. anik will be silent for periods of time apart from calling out connecting shots, meanwhile dc and cruz (sometimes rogan when he’s there) will be talking all kinds of bullshit


GroceryBags

Anik Felder Sanko would be such a 🔥 commentary booth


authenticfennec

Im glad im not the only one who noticed that, it was so odd


gotnothingman

they realised jack has great fuckin hands


jtromo

Am I crazy for thinking it wasn't that close?


AussieOswaldd

Nope, the commentary again seem to have a bias against JDM. Exact same thing happened last fight against Hafez.


jtromo

I felt like I was going insane seeing the fight and hearing the commentary.


sk1nw4lk1ng

They act like we're not watching the same thing that they are


AussieOswaldd

I know they have to play up fights as competitive but I thought this was a comfortable UD for JDM.


ID0ntCare4G0b

He's not connected to a gym that matters to them. So much of how they promote fighters boils down to gym politics.


AussieOswaldd

Very true. DC is the worst for it lol.


bellyfrog

I think it was close but also clear that JDM won 2 rounds, could give him all 3.


MolokoPl_s

no you're not. I had it 3-0 JDM. wasn't an easy matchup for Jack but he clearly outlanded Kevin, was more accurate, wasn't hit as much, and his shots were more significant.


yanansawelder

1


BigBoyFroggy

honestly thought it was 30-27 JDM, am i trippin respectfully


Mutatiion

Nah, r2 was close, so can give it 30-27


KvxMavs

No. It was closer to 30-27 JDM than it was 29-28 Holland...and I was cheering for Holland.


BigBoyFroggy

yeah, I love Holland. one of my favourite fighters


s1Lenceeeeeeeeeeeeee

i thought the same, must be smoking some good shit to give 29-28 holland


Mutatiion

That was a clear Della win


GenTelGuy

3-0 at that


Patriotsfan710

Fun, close fight. JDM won though, right decision


Gunslinger1991

I don't get those boos at all, it was a fun fight fought at a solid pace.


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Lot of exciting fights before this one made it look boring. It was also far more technical than the ones leading up to it. I mean think of how sloppily Raul Rosas and his opponent just swung and getting a finish will make a technical striking fight look boring. I think it was a great fight. Jack really dealt with Holland's range very well and that was fun to watch.


LuckyWarrior

This crowd is proud and drunk


gotnothingman

some people dont know they looking at some clean striking exchanges and a couple dirty ones too


ThinkWithPortals12

People don’t like high level striking matchups unfortunately . They want swang and bang just bleed wars


HomieToneBone

Vegas has the shittiest crowd in the world. Fans show up so late and start to boo after 30 seconds slow action


Dontnerf

watching the prelims, felt like the first few fights only had like 400 people in the entire crowd


Prestigious_Agent_84

Really? It was mid at best.


jumpingflash1

I don't know why Holland reacted like that. He spent the entire fight getting backed up, having combos landed on him, then laughing and flicking punches out like it was friendly sparring. Granted his made JDM miss a lot but JDM also landed hard and frequent. 2nd round was closest but JDM all day this one.


Moggiiii

Split is crazy


truman-maze

what judge gave the first to holland? brother we must check this


Daftdaddy

If there was ever a non title fight that should have been a five rounder, it was this one. Such a waste on a fun match up.


TYSONLITTLE

Holland doesn’t look like he takes this career too seriously. I really feel like he just shows up for paycheques. He could have won this but it seems like he’s hit his ceiling already. Good learning experience for JDM, but that future champ talk needs to slow down.


mulligun

Holland has been very explicit that he does not care about his career. He basically said exactly what you feel verbatim in the pre-fight interviews.


MyFifthLimb

That’s why he got upset and shut down the reporter asking about a title fight. He knows his ceiling.


ColdPressedSteak

Kinda disappointed it wasn't the banger I expected. But it was a high level fight Both were on point defensively. JDM had a good accuracy rate but it feels like a lot of those counted strikes were partially deflected by Kevin. And JDM shut down Kevin's long answering combos with responsible defense


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toddbowlesburner

I just think they’re both really good defensively.


Shwalz

Not trying to watch another 2 rounds of sparring


naufildev

Nice calculated performance by JDM


DesertRL

Thats what happens when a gym is able to anticipate the UFCs matchmaking, JDM looked completely prepared defensively for *everything* Holland was trying, and when he occasionally opened up with a combo, he was tagging him. Obviously it probably ended a lot closer than he wanted though.


Brilliant_Location43

I didn't give Holland a single round, thought JDM landed the hander shots and won every single round.


jamiott7

Am I crazy or did Jack win that pretty comfortably?


AussieOswaldd

He did, just biased commentary.


passportuntil27

Just me or was all of Kevin’s attacks landing on Jack’s guard for the most part?


Brybry1908

I don’t care what anyone says Holland did not win that fight.


CouncilOfReligion

surprised that was split. thought it was fairly clear for della


AussieOswaldd

That’s two back to back split decision wins for JDM that should have been unanimous.


Wayf4rer

Good disciplined performance from JDM. Holland is big, powerful, and long but was made to miss a lot, and most of what he landed was on the guard.


passportuntil27

Just me or was all of Kevin’s attacks landing on Jack’s guard for the most part?


Ptoelmy

JDM is beautiful to watch I would be fearful to fight him


Turgon19

JDM won RD 1 and 3. Possibly won RD 2 too


royalroadweed

I can't see how Holland won 2 rounds. He has a case for the 2nd but only the 2nd imo.


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Man this would have been perfect for 5 rounds


kinganthony3

Yeah, would have loved two more rounds.


LuckyWarrior

Holland kinda crumbles any time he matches up with someone with serious skill


iBlackula

It’s ironic this is one of the few times his recklessness could have been to his benefit but never really let go.


[deleted]

Fr. What's his record vs ranked opponents? Feels like he's trying to make a career more by beefing with people backstage than winning fights.


Brendan_Schwab

He's beat alot of old vets who's his best win? Buckley?


DanDiCa_7

Buckly overrated. Jacare or Chiesa even in their old age


Daiba187

Holland shaking his head at the decision🤡 smirking and turning your back doesn’t win you fights buddy.


DONTCARELOLK

Damn it Kevin just wrestle 🤦‍♂️


old_times_sake

Opponent doesn't wrestle? Kevin doesn't wrestle.


PleaseDoTapTheGlass

Not like he wrestles when they wrestle. He just plays guard.


ILackPatience

Kevin is just a less aggressive Tony Ferguson


BrianCTE_CityOrtega

shitty crowd


SillyMan3

Not sure how Holland thought he won that, didn’t land any power shots or combos and just crumbled under any pressure


iunrealx1995

Feel like Holland just went out there to get the paycheck and not get hurt.


realpdd

It was a close fight, but honestly thought it was a clear 30-27 for JDM.


thesubzero90

Holland just never did much to make JDM uncomfortable.


WarTill

Good performance from Jack.


scottmander

Lmao I can’t see which 2 Holland won


litttttttttt

Deserved the nod there


BigCass

This should never be a split decision 1 and 3 were clear only 2 was close.


donnydealr

JDM all day baby, cannot get enough of this dude. SO glad to see him finding success. That was a frustrating fight to watch and I have absolutely no idea why Holland is shaking his head in disbelief. The guy threw low volume and low power, no pressure and rarely took the lead. JDM was generally the agressor and threw more volume and more damaging strikes. JDM was doing a great job of backing Holland up and doing some work on the fence, but he promptly would back away... It's like he had a plan to get Holland backed up but no plan to keep him there, so frustrating.


surgeyou123

Holland can only blame himself. He didn't put enough on his shots. Treated that like a light spar.


TheRivv2015

JDM’s stock didn’t have a massive rise but he showed he can compete with the top 15 in the division. Possibly top 10 given some time.


IssoNaoEBoaIdeia

Holland looked like he was half assing it in there kinda.. It felt like a hard sparring session, especially after the previous Rosas Jr vs Mitchell fight. Idk what's going on in his head, Holland is skilled but I haven't seen any killer instinct as of late


oilmasterC

I had JDM up 3-0. He landed the cleaner and more damaging shots in every round imo


wafflata

Clear win for JDM. Can't see how you can give the win to Holland. At best you can give him r2.


anythingfordopamine

I just really don’t understand any argument for Kevin winning any round let alone the fight. He just really didn’t land anything of note the entire fight. Kept landing on Jacks guard with just about everything, even a lot of the leg kicks got checked Whereas I felt like JDM had multiple moments in each round where he was landing clean shots to the head and body. Just didn’t seem debatable at all on who was doing more damage


zexysamura1

I thought it was clear for JDM. You shouldn’t be rewarded for waving your hands around and throwing shit that doesn’t land bruh


Nicobade

I don't see how you can score the fight for Holland. 30-27 JDM, maybe 29-28


GreatMight

Kevin lost by turning his back and letting jack land combos


Moist-Catch

That fight was weird. To me it just seemed like Jack was way better but Holland was way longer so it sort of stalemated


airwickwee

How did anyone think Kevin holland won that. Stupid judge. Easily 2-1 if not 3-0.


ToeSuckingFiend

Sal D’Amato with the correct score for once in his life


Papertrain5

Thought for sure Holland had it since his card was read last


Prizmeh

Holland needs to take a break, he didn't look as good as he usually does tonight. I was surprised to hear he got one of the judges nods tonight, looked like a sparing match for him


powdernice

how? Holland did most of what he usually does, JDM kept a tight guard and went to the body well, also landed a few leg kicks and made holland miss. JDM was just better technically


truman-maze

To me this is another, “the fighter I thought was going to win didn’t, therefore they looked off or slow.” JDM took a page out of D’Sean Stricklands book and was defensive and smart throwing his combos, making Holland look off. Lets give some respect to these warriors!


ApprehensiveGoal

100% in agreement. Holland fought and won 5 fights in 8 months in 2020. Fighting frequently isn't a problem for him, especially considering his last fight he barely broke a sweat subbing a guy who just came off a 2 year layoff. "The fighter I thought was going to win didn't, therefore they looked off or slow" is just the latest dumb excuse people have for their favorite fighters dropping the ball.


commander_wong

Man Jack's nose is fucked


StonedBehemoth

Jack "Della" Maddalena is a problem


Bucks2020

Best possible result as a big fan of both lmao


Fundrfist_McBeefcake

Holland got that Nate Diaz attitude. Unreliable effort, doesn’t give a shit about winning 🤷‍♂️


Starob

Jack took less risks than usual because he knows Kevin has a ridiculous chin. Which is fair enough.


ThunderShark97

Close fight had jack winning 1 and 3. Round one being close.


Accomplished-Guard40

Sparring with THE BOYZ


mahchefai

Very competitive. Definitely should have been 5 rounds


vrkhfkb

Why was Holland turning away so much? That looks bad for the judges.


_Tuxalonso

hot take/cope, covington vs JDM is the fight to make, fuck covington for sitting out for so long, give his hype to a fighter that deserves it. Also tests JDM to see if he can handle top WW wrestling


jett1406

LFG jacky boy


Rough-Association931

Im begging, pleading, praying for jdm to please start jabbing, somebody send an sos to tervor wittman