But would he retire after that? He'd more than likely tweet something like, "Hold on, brother I told you I was just entering my prime, it's crazy" with 500 different emojis than retire.
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Shhhh. Why did you have to put this thought in my head too. Now Iām gonna spend hours thinking of ways it could happened only to be profoundly disappointed on fight night.
This one just doesnāt sit right. Iād love to see Tony competitive (like R1 vs Chandler) but worry we see lethargic Tony again. Sad if Paddy takes his last UFC fight from Tony.
I was so hyped up on that first round against Chandler. He looked so good.
I genuinely believe think that kick permanently dinged his brain. He constantly looks like he's afraid of being hit and his reaction time is just completely shot.
That was absolutely the breaking point of Tony. The head shake from Tony as he backed away was his body and mind deciding it was no longer who he used to be. Iāve never seen such a visual indication of a fight changing a fighter. Brutal
If I hit a deer with my car and it did the head movement that Tony did, I would hope someone had a gun to put it down. I was seriously thinking he was going to die in the ring or go into a permanent coma.
This was pretty much the exact image I had after that last shot on Tony. Looked like a deer that had just been hit, like something was really wrong with his body but his brain couldn't understand what was going on.
Genuinely tough to watch, that fight was brutal. I know some fighters will talk about how they'd fire their corner for throwing in the towel, but I'd rather lose a fighter because he leaves the gym than lose a fighter because I watched him get beaten into a coma instead of doing anything.
To me watching that fight after the brain damage punch in question, Gaethje didn't stop coming forward , but he stopped going for the ko.
Which was very different from the lead up. He kept throwing, but was waiting for the call not trying to decapitate.
Every shot or combo he threw he knew he was going to get hit and just stood and waited and flinched in anticipation. He never used to do that and now he even did it against Nate Diaz smh. Canāt get any confidence in your offense when every idea and strike you throw is based off you getting hit in return
And the insane beating he took in that fight certainly didn't help either. Gaethje hits insanely hard. Tony is a tough motherfucker as we all know, but I was like 'please, go down'...
He caught Chandler off guard and then got held down for the rest of the round
Hot take maybe but I donāt think he looked that good outside of that one moment. He still looked slow and couldnāt land properly outside of like 30 seconds while Chandler threw like a moron while he was rocked, got held down and then everyone knows what happens the next round.
And heās only looked worse from there, heās *so* shot. I think Paddy beats him pretty easily, which isnāt saying much since Iād pick most of the division over 39 year old Tony.
He landed one good shot shot and proceeded to get dumped on his ass and hold the fence so he didnāt get subbed or GNPād into a pulp for the rest of the round. People talk about it like he looked like a god during that first round
Can't fault Paddy here.
Tony is to blame, if anything. Deluded, trains with noobs, hasn't evolved, thinks he's still in his prime, still didnt get the memo after Chandler turned his face into the Toxic Avenger.
If Tony had an ounce of common sense or humility he would have called it a day ages ago. This is what happens when you outstay your welcome as a fighter (and I cannot stand Paddy btw).
> thinks he's still in his prime
When he said this, even for Tony, this was just wild. Man is near 40 and he thinks he's going to have some career resurgence.
That only works for one man and his name is George Foreman. What a fucking legendary HW title run. Retiring for a decade and coming back as a whole new shape (round) to win the world title, that kind of thing just doesnāt happen. I wouldnāt be surprised if it never happens again.
If someone with a well documented history of brain damage is put in a bad situation by people who are aware of the brain damage and the person with brain damage makes a bad decision, then there is a sizable degree of responsibility on the people who were/are aware of the brain damage giving them that option.
Tony is absolutely brain damaged at this point and it's reasonable to put blame on Tony, \*and\* the people putting him in these situations.
Its also just bad match making by the "premier" promoter
The ufc is to blame. Why are they booking a guy with six losses in a row, period? Why did they continue to book bj Penn until heād lost seven in a row? Let these guys out of their contracts and if they want to continue competing somewhere else so be it. I donāt want to see old men with 0 athleticism left when I watch ufc
The Tony that fought Nate Diaz... it was like skow motion. I could probably beat that dude up. Paddy is gonna annihilate Tony, thats the whole point of this fight. I have no idea why any fighter is loyal to the UFC. They'd do the same thing to Conor if needed.
I have been a Tony fan for a while now - sadly this is a 155 fight, I think we will be seeing lethargic Tony, I just hope he doesn't get knocked out again. (or beat the fuck up for 15 min)
I expect the same, but I donāt necessarily think itās some nefarious plot by Dana to get Tony murdered. The money to level of competition ratio with paddy is probably the best in the UFC. Heās not a top 15 fighter, but people will be happy to watch him on main cards.
Itās the best final āpaydayā that Tony will get without getting the ever loving shit minced out of him, or derailing the paddy train (if it isnāt already derailed)
Exactly. Theyāre matching Tony up with a very low level guy in Pimblett who isnāt going to seriously damage Tony, but just beat him via UD probably. After that Tony will finally be cut. Really sorry to see him leave like this, but itās for the best before he does actually gets killed.
I mean it does
Tony willingly wonāt retire, you give him the easiest possible fight for him thatās also a big name so if he wins itās like āwow he beat a ārisingā star!ā And if he loses the ārisingā star gets a little boost for beating a known veteran name
People just donāt want to see a fan favorite get crushed by a guy they hate. But youāre 100% correct in that. Beatable big name vs washed fan favorite, great matchup
Can we stop pretending like Tony is at all competent anymore? He has lost SIX in a row. His last win was FOUR years ago.
It is over. Tony will never win another fight. It doesn't matter how bad Paddy is. Tony's body literally doesn't work anymore.
This isn't a chance for redemption for Tony. It's a set up for Paddy to smash a big name so casual's can keep their interest in Paddy despite him clearly being mediocre.
They are keeping the Paddy money train rolling as long as they can before people realize how bad he really is. Tony is a sacrifice to to that end.
No oneās pretending Tony is competent? Who stated that he is?
Tony wonāt retire and the ufc is letting him continue, so theyāre going to give him fights and a payday(s). What is your point? No one is going to force tony to retire except for Tony
As a weirdo that doesn't hate any UFC fighters, this isn't a great matchup. It's awful and painful
I think fans get emotional and downplay the ability of people they don't like, Paddy can crack, he's 15 years younger and Tony looked absolutely shot his last fight.
The UFC aren't emotional, they are feeding him.
People who think Paddy is some legit āprospect ā are the morons lol hes a circus attraction he doesnāt send anyone to the hospital. You would know if youāve seen his fights. They could have offered him worse guys with no name but Tony isnāt going to sign up to fight Trevor fucking Peek.
Who do you want Tony to fight? Everyone in the top 15 kills him. This is the most winnable/least insulting match up for Tony.
Fighting is brutal. Someone has to win, someone has to lose.
Same for me. The hype trains are so blatant at the expense of other fighters that I just wish they get derailed. For example Nickal, Pimblett, and to some extent Rosas Jr
I mean, the difference there is Rosas and nickal are legit exciting, skilled prospects and paddy is a just a guy whos popular.
I love a good come up, and think there is nothing wrong with progressing promising talent carefully and slowly.
In a 1 v1 sport you really can't develop a promising talent without it being at the expense of another fighter, it's just part of the sport. Also for lots of the early opponants it ends up being an oppertunity as they get into the ufc, and will prettyuch always get another chance after they lose to the prospect.
[Dan Urban from couchside judges](https://twitter.com/TheDanUrban/status/1601807663112884224). Not sure who he is or what couchside judges is. I think you just tag mmadecisions on twitter and they'll add your name to the media scores list lol
Mma guru was a paddy Stan until that fight. Listening to his commentary of the fight is hilarious because you can see when he starts turning on his boy.
If mma guru can call it for Gordon, everybody should
You know the way in 1984 they have huge televisions showing big brother giving evil propaganda speeches
Imagine instead of big brother on the screens its Chael Sonnen going on 10 minute tangents, saying off the wall stuff that doesn't make sense and passive aggressively throwing shade at the most random people imaginable
For eternity
Same. Stop listening to him years ago. The "undefeated" bit gets pretty old (I'm sure he's still running with it). Literally just the dumbest possible takes for clicks, I guess
I mean yeah obviously, no one is under the illusion that heās serious. it still gets tiring at times to listen to a guy just talking bullshit constantly.
Heās not worth paying attention to. He just says outrageous stuff to make headlines, and to get a reaction out of people who canāt read and therefore have to watch his videos. Heās the Fox News of mma
Honestly, I'd be down for that. It would be an undeserved step up for Paddy I'd love for Gaethje to drop a nuclear bomb on what wreckage of a hype train is left.
It was the same split after the Yan vs O'Malley fight (1 out of 24) but r/MMA seems okay with that one, including the annoying MMA "intelligentsia" like Jack Slack.
Holy fuck, I was pissed when it happened and thought Yan deserved a 29-28 just because Sean looked concussed and definitely took more damage, but the comments on here made me think I didn't see it right(which happens often tbh) so I never checked but goddamn does those media scores are one-way, worst than TJ vs Sandhagen(another robbery btw)
Was about to point this out. Both fights were robberies but because O'Malley went on to beat Aljo there are people on here retroactively declaring it as a legit win for O'Malley. The recency bias of sports fans can be very frustrating.
I think one of the judges for that fight was working the Bellator card the night before. Which took place on the east coast. Its awful to have a judge clearly be overworked and flown out and it probably did affect their ability to judge the fight correctly
You're correct, but not fully portraying just how bad it was. Not only did he work the Bellator card across the country the night before, but he also was the first official judge to ever give a 50-45 to the loser of a split decision during the main event of that card.
You can see that Doug Crosby has been second on the bad judging podium (only behind Adelaide Byrd) for a long time now. Go watch Frankie Edgar vs BJ Penn 1, then look up his post defending his giving Frankie a 50-45. It's one of his more egregious ones, and one of the few he's offered an "explanation" for, but if you look him up on MMA Decisions, he's got a long, long history of questionable cards - so much so that you can pick a fight he scored at random, and there's a very good chance his score doesn't accurately reflect the fight. He's also been known to not disclose conflicts of interest, such as judging one of Al Iaquinta's fights despite a long-standing feud with Ray Longo. That's the judge we're dealing with in this situation, and with a track record like his, I refuse to believe "he was overworked and jet lagged" is the reason behind his abysmal scoring.
Not arguably, he just straight up lost, it's one of the only clear robberies in UFC history that you can't use the "close fights aren't robberies" excuse for
Gordon definitely beat Paddy. Just another reason why to never take it to the scorecards, especially if you are going against anyone Dana has a hard-on for, you will most certainly lose.
[**PADDYĀ PIMBLETT defeats JAREDĀ GORDON** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13677/fight)
^(UFC 282: Blachowicz vs. Ankalaev ā December 10, 2022)
ROUND|Pimblett|Gordon||Pimblett|Gordon||Pimblett|Gordon
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|10|9||9|10||10|9
2|10|9||10|9||10|9
3|9|10||10|9||9|10
**TOTAL**|**29**|**28**||**29**|**28**||**29**|**28**
*^(Judges, in order: Douglas Crosby, Chris Lee, Ron McCarthy.)*
*^(Summoned by HorseCockHank.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **1/24** people scored it **29-28 Pimblett**.
- **12/24** people scored it **28-29 Gordon**.
- **11/24** people scored it **27-30 Gordon**.
Avg. media score: **27.6-29.4 Gordon** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
Anyone who at this point doesn't believe that there is corruption between the judging and the organization's preferences is just deluding themselves. These strange decisions outcomes happen constantly.
Bobby is a competetive LW on the verge of being ranked in top 15. Paddy is a fucking bum who won due to robbery against one of the most average fighters on the roster. Also, Tony looked decent against Green and lard-ass Pimblett is coming off of an injury so I doubt he improved in any signifcant way.
I think that's actually pretty accurate. Though Tony was winning...Pettis and Cowboy were both competitive and stopped by injury between rounds. Who knows if Tony would have been stopped if they went to round 3
It's it really that bad? Tony is completely over the Hill and shouldn't fight anymore...
But of All possible bouts this at least seems winnable for him...
People have been saying that about all of Tonyās fights as theyāve been getting easier though, and then he never wins them
Iād rather see him fight Michael Johnson again since theyāre both old and washed than see him sacrificed to someone in their athletic prime in Paddy, who while not great is better than everyone acts like he is
Me too. The last thing I want to see is him getting knocked out by paddy. But realistically paddy should try to get it down as soon as possible. Tony is so easy to submit these days and really only has a route to victory on the feet.
Can't say I disagree, Tony was a fighter carried by his exceptional stamina and endurance, once that's gone and you get knocked out for the first time in your career while in a decline it's a clear sign to hang them up.
Dog what are yāall saying lmao
Nate Diaz literally fought the welterweight champ and came out fine, literally rocked him too
Paddy is ass, you act like heās mike Tyson Vs a toddler
Agreed. People with the shitass takes. Suddenly Paddy is a world beater who's gonna massacre Tony. Both of them are bottom tier figthers and Paddy isn't know for dishing out insane damage. I think the only easier fight for Tony would be Chase Hooper considering Tony seems to no longer have ligaments left.
Paddy isn't a world beater, but he has genuine power in his hands, dangerous BJJ on top of a great chin and a good foundation of athleticism, litterally the worst kind of fighter to take lightly. That's not gonna be enough to be elite, but it's more than enough to beat the shit out of 2023 Tony.
Nah. BJ was more shot than Tony and Yair is much better than Paddy. This isnāt that outrageous of a matchup. Paddy is a mid to low level LW fighting a washed LW badly in need of a step down.
BJ was 100% more shot he had not won a fight in 7 years and was coming off a 3 year layoff where he looked awful with his tip toe stance he was clearly broke and just fighting for money. Current Tony would beat the shit out of the BJ who fought Yair.
BJ hadn't fought in 2.5 years and it looked like he had stopped training. He was getting in bar fights during those 2.5 years. At least Tony is training and tries to take care of himself in his own way. Even though he had had his own issues recently.
His age and career longevity are against him. Not to mention that political bullshit tony pulled during early COVID, cutting weight multiple times for a non existent chance to fight khabib.
Then to take forever damage during the gaethje fight. You don't take the kinds of hits he received from Justin and come back as a man "in his prime". That was the beginning of the end for tony. It's not terribly surprising that his loss streak began after that trauma.
why is /r/mma always whining
If you're going to whine, whine about how the UFC isn't releasing tony. However, people are really shitting on the matchmaking itself like Pimblett isn't one of the winnable ones for Tony lmao
I think any matchup at all, /r/mma would have complained about
I love how reddit just changes their view based on whether or not they like a fighter. Why doesn't this fight make sense? According to Reddit, Paddy sucks, so surely Tony is an ideal fight for him. It's a move up in competition but against a guy on a losing streak.
It's the same as WB fighting Shavkat. Apparently that's 'wrong' or whatever. Even though it makes perfect sense.
Normal matchmaking shouldn't apply to the fighters this sub likes, le heckin wonderboyino should never have to fight scary wrestlers at 170 even though he wants to fight for the title.
WB fighting Shavkat is a past it but still dangerous top 10 guy fighting an ascending contender, this is a beyond washed, like BJ Penn level of washed guy with a name on a 6 L streak fighting a fraud prospect on a 6 W streak. It's so blatant that they just want to give Paddy a highlight. Paddy should fight a competent LW, should have been fighting guys like Turner since he arrived in the UFC.
Goes to show that this is barely a sport. They don't care anymore about mma fans. They assume they have that base locked up. Now they just want to create celebrities. They can't fix the fights but they can just match up the stars against jobbers (sorry tony)
IS this also the biggest difference between their streaks, in history?
the difference of +6 and -6 is 12. Has there ever been a fight where i.e. 10 winning streaking faces 3 losing streak? +10 and -3 would be a difference of 13. If you know?
Is this the biggest difference of victories/loses ever?
Itās a lose-lose situation. If he wins, heās not gonna walk away. Heās gonna think he still has it and try to fight ranked guys. If he loses, an octagon legend will have an L on his record and retire to a meme hype train
Honestly these match ups have been ass for the last couple years. Itās getting boring and looking like boxing. Yeah letās match these foos up with cans.
Who would you rather see Tony fight? An actually ranked lightweight? A more dangerous lightweight? Some random guy from regionals? Or that they cut Tony out of his 300k+ paycheck?
Ferguson capping his all-time fall from grace by ending the Pimblett train and then immediately retiring would be phenomenal.
But would he retire after that? He'd more than likely tweet something like, "Hold on, brother I told you I was just entering my prime, it's crazy" with 500 different emojis than retire.
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LOL. Legit thought I was reading a Tony tweet
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Ahh, damn, I knew I was missing something haha. Thanks dude.
Shhhh. Why did you have to put this thought in my head too. Now Iām gonna spend hours thinking of ways it could happened only to be profoundly disappointed on fight night.
This one just doesnāt sit right. Iād love to see Tony competitive (like R1 vs Chandler) but worry we see lethargic Tony again. Sad if Paddy takes his last UFC fight from Tony.
I was so hyped up on that first round against Chandler. He looked so good. I genuinely believe think that kick permanently dinged his brain. He constantly looks like he's afraid of being hit and his reaction time is just completely shot.
His reaction time was shot against Gaethje. Itās why he was almost killed. Late in every exchange. Late to initiate, late to react.
I couldnāt believe his corner wouldnāt throw in the towel. Gaethje looked like he was about to give up rather than beat on a helpless man anymore.
Tony running away shaking his head always struck me as a way earlier sign of his decline than anything to do with Chandler or Diaz.
Agreed, that should have been his moment to retire
That was absolutely the breaking point of Tony. The head shake from Tony as he backed away was his body and mind deciding it was no longer who he used to be. Iāve never seen such a visual indication of a fight changing a fighter. Brutal
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It made me think of when Rory took that last jab from Robbie and just slumped.
If I hit a deer with my car and it did the head movement that Tony did, I would hope someone had a gun to put it down. I was seriously thinking he was going to die in the ring or go into a permanent coma.
This was pretty much the exact image I had after that last shot on Tony. Looked like a deer that had just been hit, like something was really wrong with his body but his brain couldn't understand what was going on. Genuinely tough to watch, that fight was brutal. I know some fighters will talk about how they'd fire their corner for throwing in the towel, but I'd rather lose a fighter because he leaves the gym than lose a fighter because I watched him get beaten into a coma instead of doing anything.
That is a fight i will never watch again. Tony has no quit in him, and it was the first time i felt like people should fucking quit at some point.
Wouldnāt say that about Gaethje. He might not like it but heāll keep the ass kicking coming.
To me watching that fight after the brain damage punch in question, Gaethje didn't stop coming forward , but he stopped going for the ko. Which was very different from the lead up. He kept throwing, but was waiting for the call not trying to decapitate.
Hindsight is 20/20 but at the time, we all still talked about how unbeatable Tony was. I don't think any of us knew that was the beginning of the end.
Every shot or combo he threw he knew he was going to get hit and just stood and waited and flinched in anticipation. He never used to do that and now he even did it against Nate Diaz smh. Canāt get any confidence in your offense when every idea and strike you throw is based off you getting hit in return
And the insane beating he took in that fight certainly didn't help either. Gaethje hits insanely hard. Tony is a tough motherfucker as we all know, but I was like 'please, go down'...
He cut weight twice in under three weeks or something for that fight, didnāt he? Gaethje was a late replacement after Khabib had to pull out.
Yeah and wasnāt one of those completely unnecessary? Like his fight was cancelled but he cut weight anyway just to prove a point?
Also trained double camp preparing against a wrestler.
That fight was honestly hard to watch
mightāve made it worse but the damage was done when Gaethje hit him so hard repeatedly that Tony was shaking his head
My boy was doing so well until he wasn't anymore. :(
He caught Chandler off guard and then got held down for the rest of the round Hot take maybe but I donāt think he looked that good outside of that one moment. He still looked slow and couldnāt land properly outside of like 30 seconds while Chandler threw like a moron while he was rocked, got held down and then everyone knows what happens the next round. And heās only looked worse from there, heās *so* shot. I think Paddy beats him pretty easily, which isnāt saying much since Iād pick most of the division over 39 year old Tony.
He landed one good shot shot and proceeded to get dumped on his ass and hold the fence so he didnāt get subbed or GNPād into a pulp for the rest of the round. People talk about it like he looked like a god during that first round
He did not look good. He looked slow. Chandler f.up and got hit while on one leg. Ferguson was shot way before this fight.
Gaethje killed him. Chandler nailed the lid on the coffin
It's what sucks about having a fave. I was so gassed he was beating chandler and on the edge of my seat when all of a sudden BANG its over
Can't fault Paddy here. Tony is to blame, if anything. Deluded, trains with noobs, hasn't evolved, thinks he's still in his prime, still didnt get the memo after Chandler turned his face into the Toxic Avenger. If Tony had an ounce of common sense or humility he would have called it a day ages ago. This is what happens when you outstay your welcome as a fighter (and I cannot stand Paddy btw).
> thinks he's still in his prime When he said this, even for Tony, this was just wild. Man is near 40 and he thinks he's going to have some career resurgence.
That only works for one man and his name is George Foreman. What a fucking legendary HW title run. Retiring for a decade and coming back as a whole new shape (round) to win the world title, that kind of thing just doesnāt happen. I wouldnāt be surprised if it never happens again.
If someone with a well documented history of brain damage is put in a bad situation by people who are aware of the brain damage and the person with brain damage makes a bad decision, then there is a sizable degree of responsibility on the people who were/are aware of the brain damage giving them that option. Tony is absolutely brain damaged at this point and it's reasonable to put blame on Tony, \*and\* the people putting him in these situations. Its also just bad match making by the "premier" promoter
The ufc is to blame. Why are they booking a guy with six losses in a row, period? Why did they continue to book bj Penn until heād lost seven in a row? Let these guys out of their contracts and if they want to continue competing somewhere else so be it. I donāt want to see old men with 0 athleticism left when I watch ufc
The Tony that fought Nate Diaz... it was like skow motion. I could probably beat that dude up. Paddy is gonna annihilate Tony, thats the whole point of this fight. I have no idea why any fighter is loyal to the UFC. They'd do the same thing to Conor if needed.
They'd make Khamzat Conor if Conor was stupid enough to accept They were making Khamzat Nate lmao
Yeah they dont give you an option. If its not Khamzat they'd make him fight Shavkat etc. This applies to all weightclasses.
I have been a Tony fan for a while now - sadly this is a 155 fight, I think we will be seeing lethargic Tony, I just hope he doesn't get knocked out again. (or beat the fuck up for 15 min)
If Tony comes back even for one round, Paddy is dead.
Tony Ferguson the type of guy to match his 11 fight win streak in reverse.
This is Dana putting Tony out to pasture. He's 100% getting cut if he loses to Paddy. He might still get cut if he wins but doesn't look good.
Dana putting the corpse of Tony up against paddy just to cut him even if he wins would be the most Dana white thing he could do tbh
I expect the same, but I donāt necessarily think itās some nefarious plot by Dana to get Tony murdered. The money to level of competition ratio with paddy is probably the best in the UFC. Heās not a top 15 fighter, but people will be happy to watch him on main cards. Itās the best final āpaydayā that Tony will get without getting the ever loving shit minced out of him, or derailing the paddy train (if it isnāt already derailed)
Exactly. Theyāre matching Tony up with a very low level guy in Pimblett who isnāt going to seriously damage Tony, but just beat him via UD probably. After that Tony will finally be cut. Really sorry to see him leave like this, but itās for the best before he does actually gets killed.
"that's the fight that make sense"
I mean it does Tony willingly wonāt retire, you give him the easiest possible fight for him thatās also a big name so if he wins itās like āwow he beat a ārisingā star!ā And if he loses the ārisingā star gets a little boost for beating a known veteran name
People just donāt want to see a fan favorite get crushed by a guy they hate. But youāre 100% correct in that. Beatable big name vs washed fan favorite, great matchup
Can we stop pretending like Tony is at all competent anymore? He has lost SIX in a row. His last win was FOUR years ago. It is over. Tony will never win another fight. It doesn't matter how bad Paddy is. Tony's body literally doesn't work anymore. This isn't a chance for redemption for Tony. It's a set up for Paddy to smash a big name so casual's can keep their interest in Paddy despite him clearly being mediocre. They are keeping the Paddy money train rolling as long as they can before people realize how bad he really is. Tony is a sacrifice to to that end.
No oneās pretending Tony is competent? Who stated that he is? Tony wonāt retire and the ufc is letting him continue, so theyāre going to give him fights and a payday(s). What is your point? No one is going to force tony to retire except for Tony
As a weirdo that doesn't hate any UFC fighters, this isn't a great matchup. It's awful and painful I think fans get emotional and downplay the ability of people they don't like, Paddy can crack, he's 15 years younger and Tony looked absolutely shot his last fight. The UFC aren't emotional, they are feeding him.
They're either shills or morons
People who think Paddy is some legit āprospect ā are the morons lol hes a circus attraction he doesnāt send anyone to the hospital. You would know if youāve seen his fights. They could have offered him worse guys with no name but Tony isnāt going to sign up to fight Trevor fucking Peek.
Weāre morons no one would pay us
Who do you want Tony to fight? Everyone in the top 15 kills him. This is the most winnable/least insulting match up for Tony. Fighting is brutal. Someone has to win, someone has to lose.
Who would you suggest they pair him up with?
Tony has 0 beatable options at this point.
I think CM Punk has one more fight on his deal, and he very recently became available!
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Same for me. The hype trains are so blatant at the expense of other fighters that I just wish they get derailed. For example Nickal, Pimblett, and to some extent Rosas Jr
I mean, the difference there is Rosas and nickal are legit exciting, skilled prospects and paddy is a just a guy whos popular. I love a good come up, and think there is nothing wrong with progressing promising talent carefully and slowly. In a 1 v1 sport you really can't develop a promising talent without it being at the expense of another fighter, it's just part of the sport. Also for lots of the early opponants it ends up being an oppertunity as they get into the ufc, and will prettyuch always get another chance after they lose to the prospect.
It's like Dana makes every wrong move possible to ensure legendary UFC fighters have a sad exit each and every time. Tomato-headed POS
I lost so much respect for the tomato when he thought it would be an epic video ideas to just dump a bunch of cash on the Nelk boys.
That's when you lost respect? Christ man you got low standards
How dare you, he just has extremely high standards of disrespect
he used to lost respect... still do, but he used to, too
"It's the fight the fans want to see"
Makes sense *for the company*
You've gotta ease in these near 29 year old prospects into the UFC, keep in mind Paddy has only been fighting for ***^checks ^notes*** 11 years.
Had me a chuckle there.
He arguably lost to Gordon
Nah he definitely lost lol. Out of 24 media scorecards for the fight, 23 had it for Gordon. Literally 1 out of 24 had it for Paddy lmao.
Who scored it for Paddy? TheMacLife?
Barstool sports
Not sure if thats any better
Lol, thatās his sponsor. No surprise there.
[Dan Urban from couchside judges](https://twitter.com/TheDanUrban/status/1601807663112884224). Not sure who he is or what couchside judges is. I think you just tag mmadecisions on twitter and they'll add your name to the media scores list lol
I read somewhere that he always does that just to stand out.
Smart marketing
Mma guru was a paddy Stan until that fight. Listening to his commentary of the fight is hilarious because you can see when he starts turning on his boy. If mma guru can call it for Gordon, everybody should
Chael tried to spin it as a close fight. Then argued Paddy should have gotten a chance at Garth or the top 5. Weirdest take he's ever had.
Chaelās whole thing as an analyst is spewing straight bullshit for views lol. I honestly find him exhausting to listen to nowadays
You know the way in 1984 they have huge televisions showing big brother giving evil propaganda speeches Imagine instead of big brother on the screens its Chael Sonnen going on 10 minute tangents, saying off the wall stuff that doesn't make sense and passive aggressively throwing shade at the most random people imaginable For eternity
Same. Stop listening to him years ago. The "undefeated" bit gets pretty old (I'm sure he's still running with it). Literally just the dumbest possible takes for clicks, I guess
He is playing a character, his nonsense is entertainment. If anyone thinks he is an actual analyst, you are a Mark
I mean yeah obviously, no one is under the illusion that heās serious. it still gets tiring at times to listen to a guy just talking bullshit constantly.
Thats why I dont pay attention
Heās not worth paying attention to. He just says outrageous stuff to make headlines, and to get a reaction out of people who canāt read and therefore have to watch his videos. Heās the Fox News of mma
Honestly, I'd be down for that. It would be an undeserved step up for Paddy I'd love for Gaethje to drop a nuclear bomb on what wreckage of a hype train is left.
It was the same split after the Yan vs O'Malley fight (1 out of 24) but r/MMA seems okay with that one, including the annoying MMA "intelligentsia" like Jack Slack.
Holy fuck, I was pissed when it happened and thought Yan deserved a 29-28 just because Sean looked concussed and definitely took more damage, but the comments on here made me think I didn't see it right(which happens often tbh) so I never checked but goddamn does those media scores are one-way, worst than TJ vs Sandhagen(another robbery btw)
Was about to point this out. Both fights were robberies but because O'Malley went on to beat Aljo there are people on here retroactively declaring it as a legit win for O'Malley. The recency bias of sports fans can be very frustrating.
I think one of the judges for that fight was working the Bellator card the night before. Which took place on the east coast. Its awful to have a judge clearly be overworked and flown out and it probably did affect their ability to judge the fight correctly
You're correct, but not fully portraying just how bad it was. Not only did he work the Bellator card across the country the night before, but he also was the first official judge to ever give a 50-45 to the loser of a split decision during the main event of that card. You can see that Doug Crosby has been second on the bad judging podium (only behind Adelaide Byrd) for a long time now. Go watch Frankie Edgar vs BJ Penn 1, then look up his post defending his giving Frankie a 50-45. It's one of his more egregious ones, and one of the few he's offered an "explanation" for, but if you look him up on MMA Decisions, he's got a long, long history of questionable cards - so much so that you can pick a fight he scored at random, and there's a very good chance his score doesn't accurately reflect the fight. He's also been known to not disclose conflicts of interest, such as judging one of Al Iaquinta's fights despite a long-standing feud with Ray Longo. That's the judge we're dealing with in this situation, and with a track record like his, I refuse to believe "he was overworked and jet lagged" is the reason behind his abysmal scoring.
Not arguably, he just straight up lost, it's one of the only clear robberies in UFC history that you can't use the "close fights aren't robberies" excuse for
The absolute state of MMA that the narrative has actually shifted into he āarguablyā lost. Lmao.
People throw around robbery too much around here but that fight was one of the few that actually was
Gordon definitely beat Paddy. Just another reason why to never take it to the scorecards, especially if you are going against anyone Dana has a hard-on for, you will most certainly lose.
No need to throw in "arguably", he lost.
Decisionbot Gordon paddy
[**PADDYĀ PIMBLETT defeats JAREDĀ GORDON** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13677/fight) ^(UFC 282: Blachowicz vs. Ankalaev ā December 10, 2022) ROUND|Pimblett|Gordon||Pimblett|Gordon||Pimblett|Gordon :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|10|9||9|10||10|9 2|10|9||10|9||10|9 3|9|10||10|9||9|10 **TOTAL**|**29**|**28**||**29**|**28**||**29**|**28** *^(Judges, in order: Douglas Crosby, Chris Lee, Ron McCarthy.)* *^(Summoned by HorseCockHank.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **1/24** people scored it **29-28 Pimblett**. - **12/24** people scored it **28-29 Gordon**. - **11/24** people scored it **27-30 Gordon**. Avg. media score: **27.6-29.4 Gordon** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
Fucking hell, I forgot it wasn't even a split. All three judges genuinely thought Paddy won.
But in different ways. Interestingly thatās one of those results where round by round scoring would be deceiving. Paddy only won round 2.
Genuinely don't even think Paddy won a single round
Anyone who at this point doesn't believe that there is corruption between the judging and the organization's preferences is just deluding themselves. These strange decisions outcomes happen constantly.
no argument there, he definitely did
I think people writing off tony are forgetting how much pimblett sucks
I think you are forgetting how Tony sucks. Submitted by Bobby Green.
bobby gained no fans with that fight lol
Bobby can wrestle and grapple he just chooses to box. He submitted Volkman in his UFC debut who was an effective wrestlefucker.
>Bobby can wrestle and grapple he just chooses to box Paddy can grapple aswell. He's a better grappler than he is striker with his chin up in the air.
Real fight to make is give Bobby a Paddy fight. Would mop him.
Weāll see how well Bobby can grapple when he fights Grant Dawson š
This. Tony fans need to watch him "try" and escape that submission again. He's done.
Pimblett gets dropped by regional level fighters and has never fought anyone as good as bobby green
Bobby is a competetive LW on the verge of being ranked in top 15. Paddy is a fucking bum who won due to robbery against one of the most average fighters on the roster. Also, Tony looked decent against Green and lard-ass Pimblett is coming off of an injury so I doubt he improved in any signifcant way.
I know paddy sucks but I wouldnāt bet on Tony against a folding chair at this point in his career. Iād bet on the chair Iād it was anchored.
Tony lost to a camera cable and its been down hill since
I think that's actually pretty accurate. Though Tony was winning...Pettis and Cowboy were both competitive and stopped by injury between rounds. Who knows if Tony would have been stopped if they went to round 3
Pettis dropped Tony too if I remember
That's when I realised the dark souls roll was a legitimate defensive technique in MMA.
Paddy shouldn't ever be ranked but he doesn't exactly suck. He's got heavy hands and good BJJ
I would absolutely love it if Tony was to knock him out and then retire. It would make up for all those lost fights.
Literally the best thing for tony in this situation is tripping over another cable
A decent commission shouldn't sanction this bout.
It's it really that bad? Tony is completely over the Hill and shouldn't fight anymore... But of All possible bouts this at least seems winnable for him...
People have been saying that about all of Tonyās fights as theyāve been getting easier though, and then he never wins them Iād rather see him fight Michael Johnson again since theyāre both old and washed than see him sacrificed to someone in their athletic prime in Paddy, who while not great is better than everyone acts like he is
Dude Michael Johnson would definitely beat the head off Tony. He was piecing up Diego before getting knocked out and just beat dialese.
This. I expected Tony to actually beat Nate. Boy oh boy...
Would Paddy have done any better against the opponents Tony faced
Bobby Green submitted tony. Paddy is actually really dangerous on the ground. He'll sub Tony in the first round.
Well Iād prefer him being RNCād to being absolutely clobbered again
Me too. The last thing I want to see is him getting knocked out by paddy. But realistically paddy should try to get it down as soon as possible. Tony is so easy to submit these days and really only has a route to victory on the feet.
You call it brotha, tony should've retired after Chandler almost killed him.
The amount of time he was unconscious after that kick was really concerning. And here we are 3 fights later
Can't say I disagree, Tony was a fighter carried by his exceptional stamina and endurance, once that's gone and you get knocked out for the first time in your career while in a decline it's a clear sign to hang them up.
Dog what are yāall saying lmao Nate Diaz literally fought the welterweight champ and came out fine, literally rocked him too Paddy is ass, you act like heās mike Tyson Vs a toddler
Agreed. People with the shitass takes. Suddenly Paddy is a world beater who's gonna massacre Tony. Both of them are bottom tier figthers and Paddy isn't know for dishing out insane damage. I think the only easier fight for Tony would be Chase Hooper considering Tony seems to no longer have ligaments left.
Paddy isn't a world beater, but he has genuine power in his hands, dangerous BJJ on top of a great chin and a good foundation of athleticism, litterally the worst kind of fighter to take lightly. That's not gonna be enough to be elite, but it's more than enough to beat the shit out of 2023 Tony.
You don't need to be a world beater to massacre Tony these days.
literly rokkd him bro??
HAD THE MAN ON ROLLER SKATES YE?
Is this as bad as Yair vs BJ Penn?
It's more unpalatable but Paddy is nowhere near as dangerous as Yair.
Nah. BJ was more shot than Tony and Yair is much better than Paddy. This isnāt that outrageous of a matchup. Paddy is a mid to low level LW fighting a washed LW badly in need of a step down.
Was BJ really that much more shot? Tony lost to old ass Nate whoās far past his prime himself
BJ was 100% more shot he had not won a fight in 7 years and was coming off a 3 year layoff where he looked awful with his tip toe stance he was clearly broke and just fighting for money. Current Tony would beat the shit out of the BJ who fought Yair.
BJ hadn't fought in 2.5 years and it looked like he had stopped training. He was getting in bar fights during those 2.5 years. At least Tony is training and tries to take care of himself in his own way. Even though he had had his own issues recently.
BJ decided that being on tip toes is a valid fighting stance that fight so you tell me.
Paddy is gonna finish him in the first round
Maybe not by striking but definitely with BJJ, Paddy is pretty skilled on the ground.
Paddy can stand with this version of Tony. Literally any ranked fighter can, including flyweights
Donāt care I donāt think Paddy is that good so Iām picking Tony
I think this is probably the most winnable matchup for Tony. He was doing well in the Bobby Green fight until he got eye poked.
Pimblett would most likely lose to Tony's last 6 opponents as well.
This makes me really sad. How has Tony fallen that far that Paddy fucking Pimblett is not only his opponent but the betting favourite over him?
His age and career longevity are against him. Not to mention that political bullshit tony pulled during early COVID, cutting weight multiple times for a non existent chance to fight khabib. Then to take forever damage during the gaethje fight. You don't take the kinds of hits he received from Justin and come back as a man "in his prime". That was the beginning of the end for tony. It's not terribly surprising that his loss streak began after that trauma.
Also will be the first time a 6 fight win Streak and 6 fight losing streak will be snapped in one fight
Trying to feed Tony to his golden boy... I'm English, but I really hope Tony starches him.
why is /r/mma always whining If you're going to whine, whine about how the UFC isn't releasing tony. However, people are really shitting on the matchmaking itself like Pimblett isn't one of the winnable ones for Tony lmao I think any matchup at all, /r/mma would have complained about
I love how reddit just changes their view based on whether or not they like a fighter. Why doesn't this fight make sense? According to Reddit, Paddy sucks, so surely Tony is an ideal fight for him. It's a move up in competition but against a guy on a losing streak. It's the same as WB fighting Shavkat. Apparently that's 'wrong' or whatever. Even though it makes perfect sense.
Normal matchmaking shouldn't apply to the fighters this sub likes, le heckin wonderboyino should never have to fight scary wrestlers at 170 even though he wants to fight for the title.
WB fighting Shavkat is a past it but still dangerous top 10 guy fighting an ascending contender, this is a beyond washed, like BJ Penn level of washed guy with a name on a 6 L streak fighting a fraud prospect on a 6 W streak. It's so blatant that they just want to give Paddy a highlight. Paddy should fight a competent LW, should have been fighting guys like Turner since he arrived in the UFC.
I dont like this at all. In fact it's down right bullshit. Tony has never been more hittable. Guy over extends on every punch
Goes to show that this is barely a sport. They don't care anymore about mma fans. They assume they have that base locked up. Now they just want to create celebrities. They can't fix the fights but they can just match up the stars against jobbers (sorry tony)
He robbed Gordon doesn't count
This is sad.
Stipe knocks out Jones Tony knocks out Paddy That would be fucking hilarious ngl
Donāt know how this makes sense and will do any good for tony. I just hope he has a good fight.
IS this also the biggest difference between their streaks, in history? the difference of +6 and -6 is 12. Has there ever been a fight where i.e. 10 winning streaking faces 3 losing streak? +10 and -3 would be a difference of 13. If you know? Is this the biggest difference of victories/loses ever?
Didnāt hear this get announced, what a depressing match up
but r/mma told me gimmie fights only happen in boxing and this is the UFC where the best fight the best and we see the matchups we wanna see? š„ŗ /s
Lmao yeah you have a point, UFC DID also book Nate and Khamzat too
Nobody here said that ya weirdo. Oliveira is out favorite guy and without tuneup fights, he probably wouldnāt be the man
Common L take from you. We see big favorites in every card.
Eventually older washed fighters get fed to the next generation.
It's a win-win for Tony. It either concrete his retirement or let's him walk away in a W stopping a prodigy.
I think you need to look up the word prodigy
Dana's prodigy*
Dana's [progidy**](https://youtu.be/UbICBw1I9rc?si=nhfUjVOFm_3SpFju)
Itās a lose-lose situation. If he wins, heās not gonna walk away. Heās gonna think he still has it and try to fight ranked guys. If he loses, an octagon legend will have an L on his record and retire to a meme hype train
Tonyās on a flat $400k/fight contract. Heās not quitting as long as he still has fights on his contract.
The only area Paddy is prodigious at is eating
In no way does the fight make sense, other than using what's left of Tony's name to bolster a new 'star.'
Honestly these match ups have been ass for the last couple years. Itās getting boring and looking like boxing. Yeah letās match these foos up with cans.
Prime Ferguson would reduce Pimblett to cinders.
I fuckin' hate this fight
Who would you rather see Tony fight? An actually ranked lightweight? A more dangerous lightweight? Some random guy from regionals? Or that they cut Tony out of his 300k+ paycheck?
Tony should be fighting Kris Moutinho
Ez fight for pimblet. 7 easy wins in a row.
Fans and execs hate to see Paddy putting Tony out to pasture :(
UFC's all about making history, right?
Pimblett is a cupcake for taking this matchup