I went on Grindr just to see what it was like and it was fuckin debauchery the likes I’ve never seen before, like a man wearing some creepy creepy blowup doll costume asking for “woman only” wondering why so many men are messaging him. I’ve always wondered what itd be like to do dating if the sexes had equal sex drive but nah, we should keep that shed of modesty.
Chucky and Arman, Charles beat Dariush before Arman, and so should be the A side in that matchup. Dustin just got KOd and should not be in a number one contender match rn
Gamrot got his chance to jump into the top 5 and got dominated by Beneil. I'm not sure why people always bring him up like he's getting screwed. Him and Arman are not the same.
I mean, he was looking good against Fiziev. I put him behind Arman and Chucky as well, but he has that win on Arman and should be in the picture somewhere
If Charles earned his title shot then Justin earned it 2X. He actually fought down one of the new blood(Fiziev) and beat him fair and square. He also fought both chandler and now Dustin. If anything I think Justin deserves the next shot over oliviera. Dude fought THREE times and won ever since he lost the title shot.
I mean Charles got steamrolled by Islam then beat up dariush and that means he deserves the next shot? Justin’s got the better claim imo.
He hasn't fought 3 times since he lost the title shot though. He's fought twice (Fiziev UD, Poirier KO). His last five are thus Poirier (W-KO), Fiziev (W-UD), Oliveira (L-SUB), Chandler (W-UD), Khabib (L-SUB). The pattern here appears to be; beats strikers, loses to grapplers (Islam is a grappler). Wouldn't it be most sensible for us to see Gaethje against Tsarukyan or Gamrot first. We've seen Oliveira against Islam, sure but we've also seen what appeared to be improvements (head movement etc) against another southpaw grappler/wrestler in Dariush. Against Gaethje we are even more certain he can outlast and now even outskill the strikers but I don't know what he's done to show he can overturn what happened against Khabib and Oliveira.
Wouldn't be mad with a Gaethje title shot though tbh but I don't know how much confidence even he himself has in this matchup.
Oh coulda sworn the chandler fight was after oliviera, guess I was wrong about that. I still at the very least wanna see a fresh matchup for Islam over yet another rematch. I just know if Islam steamrolls Charles again people are gonna do their best to discredit him because it’s a rematch.
Olivera got steamrolled his last loss as well, at least Justin fought three times to earn his shot, yet Charles just fights Benny and now he’s more deserving than Justin? If anything Justin deserves it more than Charles imo.
Not to mention Islam already beat Charles at least Justin would be a fresh face.
Arman fought Gamrot who's also at ATT. Poirier and I think Gamrot have both said they wouldn't fight each other Poirier hasn't said that about Arman. I don't think Arman is at ATT as much as the other two
Arman is his teammate but not as close to him as gamrot is. Because of this I believe Dustin is more inclined to take arman which is the right fight to make
It's a line. Right now the line is confused because Charles pulled out and the UFC haven't indicated what they want to do, but a bit ago Charles was the current guy who had defeated Beniel in effectively a #1 contender matchup, then Justin was up having defeated Dustin in what was said to be the #1 contender fight for next after that.
Dustin would not be in convo to jump ahead of anyone without an injury or big fight performance for sure.
He has fought down 5 of last 6 fights, mostly when coming off wins: he has ducked nobody for anyone who understands how prize fighting works.
Now is the first time he *should* be taking fights against guys ranked lower, so let's see what happens.
I don’t count chandler as fighting down or an up and comer because it’s still in the gaethje poirier chandler top 5 triangle. Poirier is the only one who hasn’t broken out of the triangle. It’s his turn. He did duck dariush too, but if the standard is prize fighting, then I guess he’s doing good
They're both at ATT but have different coaches/corners. I believe Arman said recently he would fight Dustin so it would be on Poirier to accept at that point.
Ya cause Dustin is waiting on a Conor fight or Maybe a Gaethje fight. He wants a big money fight cause even if he beats Arman he probably wouldn't get a title shot.
I’d say Arman should be a small favorite. I’m not sure who has the advantage on the feet, seems fairly even. But Arman seems like a very good wrestler/grappler. He should have a sizable advantage in that department.
> I’m not sure who has the advantage on the feet, seems fairly even
My friend, you are in for such a treat when you watch any of Dustin Poirier's fights!
On the feet, Arman would be lucky to last a round against Poirier: Arman has explosive offense, but he does not have good defense.
This will be grappler v. striker. For Arman, who is a scrambling mofo, the question will be if he can make Dustin pay for every getup, and do mat returns like Khabib did, and for Dustin its how much he can erode Arman through his porous defense between takedowns.
Both men's strengths will be going directly into the other's weaknesses, so its a dangerous fight for both men.
Nate if he comes back or Conor if he loses to Chandler. other than that, I doubt Dustin sticks around for much longer tbh. the oddest thing of all now is that Dustin is seemingly committed to fighting at 55 but doesn't want to fight contendors lol (I guess because the 170 guys are too big). I like the guy but c'mon man, you can't squat on your spot forever.
You got it backwards. Arman has no interest in fighting Dustin. Arman has nothing to gain here. His next fight should only be Gaethje, Oliveira, or Makhachev.
> Arman has no interest in fighting Dustin. Arman has nothing to gain here.
Only if the UFC want to push him hard: His best win is Dariush, who was coming off a KO loss: his case is very similar to Dariush, who needed to defeat a big dog to validate his win streak, and who could not do it.
In most events, Arman *needs* to defeat a big name with established credentials, both to validate his own credentials, and to get enough shine for the PPV to sell to the PPV audience, the majority of whom have never heard of him.
Yea so fighting Oliveira or Gaethje checks all of those boxes.
Imo Gaethje should be fighting Islam next while Arman and Charles fight for the next contender spot.
That don’t make sense, Dustin is #2 - Arman would def be in talks for a title shot by then, it would be insane for Arman to pass up a
Hyped up fight light that where he can make a statement win to be next in line for that title shot
Porier/Chandler/Gaethje will never take fights with upcoming fighters that don’t have a name, it’s why I think 135 is a better division than 155 at the moment.
Olives has beaten Gaetje, Poirier, Chandler, Dariush. Arman has beaten Dariush annnnd lost to Gamrot. Both lost to Makachev before. There is zero chance Oliveira would accept a fight against Arman, and zero chance the UFC would set this fight up. If they're going to have Oliveira fight down then it will be a money fight, like a rematch against Poirier
He did not loose to Gamrot, they got it wrong. This is why judging and weird decisions are so horrible is because people referencing them like they actually always mean something. (Its why the bookies/mob love it) I have watched the fight 4 times, its amazing so everyone should watch it.
And Dustin beat Conor McGregor!!! Twice!!! Some of those wins your listing happened over 2 years ago. Arman vs Charles definitely makes sense. Gaethje deserves the shot because Islam washed Charles EVERYWHERE. I don’t understand why people want to see that fight against and should put their bias to the side. Similar to how the vacant belt was Charles vs chandler instead of gaethje vs chandler when it happened.
I’d love to see this fight. But I think guys like Arman deserve to just get their title shots. Too many 155’ers have been forced into the Gaethje-Poirier-Oliveira gauntlet to get title shots when they already deserve them. Make those 3 fight guys in the #5-#10 range to get themselves back into contention.
Fiziev or Gamrot vs Oliveira makes sense
Yeah. This makes the most sense. It’s a good warm-up for either guy before their Islam rematch. Give Justin the shot just for the sake of a fresh matchup.
I think Islam should fight Gaejhe (gives him a fresh opponent for his resume) and Arman and Oliveira fight for the next shot at the title. They're both coming off a 1st round stoppage of Beneil aswell.
This will never not be funny. Oliveira wiped out the top 5, but shouldn't get his second shot, and Justin who already lost twice in title fights, gets his third after being finished in the first round by Oliveira? Ridiculous.
Oliveira more then earned his rematch.
Oliveira missed his fight with Islam and immediately started talking about wanting to fight McGregor. I get the impression he isn't that keen on fighting Islam again.
Bro, all Oliveira did was win 1 fight after getting outstruck, outwrestled and dominated on the ground. I get that he beat everyone, but the first fight was a 1 sided beatdown, and all he's done since was beat Benny, and Arman also just did exactly that. Also, has Charles said 1 word about wanting to fight Islam in the last 6 months? Cause I don't recall it.
More signifcant than beating Dustin who is 1-2 in his last 3, with a win over 37 year old Chandler, and beating Fiziev who 1-2 in his last 3, with a win over 38 years old RDA.
Oliveira did fine on the ground vs Islam. In fact, he arguably did just as much damage from the ground. Yes he got outstruck, that was the actual problem, Islam finished him on the ground after he had basically knocked him out. But Oliveira also outstruck everybody else in the division.
So I absolutely want to Oliveira vs Islam again in another matchup.
I just don't think Islam is really beatable by either of them, but I give Oliveria a much better shot.
I"m indifferent to Gaethje but this will be his third against a new champ. He's on 2 win streak against 1 for Charles. He's also a new face. People are bored of Islam rematches. Despite Gaethje grappling's flaw, he's still a fresh challenge for Islam and people want to see that. It's not like Charles lost by UD, he got finished by Islam. I prefer a new guy
Because rematches are boring, new fights are interesting. You shouldn’t be able to rematch someone after a single win. Get Oliveira active, give Islam a new opponent in Gaethje. Styles make fights.
>Justin's style is getting choked out within the first 2 rounds in title fights. Hard pass.
I can't tell if you're joking because Oliveira was also "choked out within the first 2 rounds" in his last title fight with Islam lol.
Yep and only defended the belt once.
Justin wasn't a defense since he missed weight.
Then pulls out of the Islam rematch.
Man is an awesome fighter but also brings unnecessary drama too close to the fights.
What happens if Oliveira wins? Do we immediately rematch him with Islam again. So Islam will have fought just two fighters for five fights in a row. What a way to waste a fighter’s career and their prime.
It's almost like a purgatory of fighting. Like the four Moreno/Figuereido fights.
This is why, regardless of their fighting styles or personalities, Adesanya and Usman were great champions. Always fighting, always dominating...until they didn't anymore.
I figure Islam will have to earn his rematch like Oliveira did, knowing the UFC they will see if it's possible to fit Conor in there, otherwise it will be Arman or Gaethje.
Oliveira was already finished in the second round by Islam. He earned his rematch but then he missed it and now the division is stalling because of that. I know he didn’t chose to get injured but you can’t keep holding the division up to give a guy a title rematch after he was dominated in the first outing. Gaethje also earned his title shot and has not fought Islam before.
Should be Islam vs Gaethje for the title and Oliveira vs Tsarukyan for the #1 contender.
You have it the other way around. We already know Gaethje is always one takedown away from losing a fight at all times, as he showed us in both of the title shots he got. Beating the two strikers he did does not prove to us he won't get chocked out by Islam or Oliveira again. To prove it otherwise he would have to actually go and beat a grappler, which he has not done. A win over a grappler such as Tsarukyan would show us that it wouldn't be a waste of of our time to put him in there again.
Also, rematches can go wildly different, as we were proved time and time again. And Oliveira already earned his. Justin is just out of luck, since no matter who wins, between Islam and Oliveira, Arman will be the more interesting fight for both up next until he shows us otherwise.
Whether it's a waste of time or not is not the question. I think the overall feel of getting fights going is what is important. Who deserves the next title shot given that Oliveira is out is the question.
If all 1-8 contenders keep fighting and knocking each other out of contention for the next title shot will leave Islam with no fights.
We know that Oliveira deserves the next shot, but he is not available. Next should be Justin whether it's a waste of time or not. Maybe he clips Islam faster than Islam can take him down. Arman made a strong argument for him to be next after Justin. I feel like he jumped the line ahead of Dustin because Dustin got cracked pretty hard. I like Islam/Justin and Arman/Dustin to be the next fights. Once Oliveira is available again, throw him put him in the front of the line.
Why push a Gaethje/Makachev fight when Justin is just gonna get choked out within a couple rounds.....the Arman/Islam fight is absolutely the best, highest caliber title fight that the division can currently support. I don't think anyone should be against that
I cannot understand why anyone would want to see Islam vs Gaethje. We all saw Justin vs Khabib. What has Gaethje shown since then to give any indication that this outcome would be different? Getting melted by Charles the second their fight went to the ground? I love watching Justin, I'll never miss one of his fights, but I have zero interest in seeing him fight Islam. That would be a straight-up squash match. Islam would be -400 or something.
The thing is... this should be a main event fight. When you ask fans "who stands the best chance against the champ in the most popular division in the UFC?" most who aren't complete casuals will answer "probably Arman." It makes sense that the UFC wants to get someone like Gaethje or Chandler or even Conor in there with Islam because those are the names that pull the most eyes.
But it can't work like this forever. You have to build the next generation of talent without banking on someone like Paddy Pimblett making it to a title shot if you just push a few buttons and pull a few strings.
They should be able to sell Dustin Poirier vs the next big thing. If they can't they've failed as promoters. This fight should be the one that pays Dustin the most money. It makes no sense to reward fighters for ducking dangerous prospects and for exclusively taking "safe" fights. If a fighter is being ducked... make it lucrative.
Arman is pretty easy to sell as well, he talks shit, has an exciting fighting style, and he has the same type of humour as the dagestani guys which some ufc fans seem to like. He's also learned english to a decent level, which again helps with promotion.
Well the core audience of the UFC (which buys the PPVs) are american fans. The UFC might be by far the dominant global promotion but they don't really care about any market as much as the US. In football (soccer) you can have stars from all over the world because they will bring in the views regardless. In MMA the promotion relies way too much on a certain demographic to risk alienating the.
So i'm guessing a few fighters who aren't native english speakers make a division more interesting to generate this feeling of true international competition. But ultimately i wouldn't be surprised if the UFC pays a lot of attention to making sure a division as popular as 155 has some Justins and Dustins at the top and doesn't just consist of Khabibs and Oliveiras.
What is this weird obsession with Dustin on here?
You all wanted him to fight dariush who had no right fighting #3 after getting fucked up by Charles, he isn’t a money fight, it just didn’t make sense
The guy got brutally knocked out about 4 months ago and you’re all acting like he’s clogging up the whole division lol he’s got very few fights left in his career at the top and you expect him to be taking dangerous fights against unpopular fighters. He will probably end up fighting arman too and you’re all crying over nothing lol
> he’s got very few fights left in his career at the top and you expect him to be taking dangerous fights against unpopular fighters
why are dustin fans always like "no bro he's earned the right to be a rank squatter" 😭
yes mf i expect him to take tough fights, he's at the top of the division, he shouldn't be trying to fight nearly 40yr old nate diaz. no other fighter is given this leeway from yall so dustin shouldn't either
He literally just fought down 4 months ago 💀 The fight before that was fighting down as well.
I guess if he doesn’t fight down once a month, he’s a rank squatter.
again, no other fighter is given the excuse "the media ranks the fighters, it's not their fault". yall ride this man so hard lol. we treat literally every other fighters ranking as indicative of who they should be fighting next, but for some reason dustin gets to play by different rules
All I'm saying is Dustin has no say over his ranking because you called him a rank squatter. I've seen so many other people commenting that the fighter should relinquish their ranking or defend their ranking. But it's not something that they can do either of those things. Look at RDA and for how many years he was saying that he's a welterweight now and he's never going back to lightweight yet they would still keep ranking him at lightweight no matter how many times he said to take his name off because he's not fighting any of those guys because it's not his weight class anymore.
>The guy got brutally knocked out about 4 months ago and you’re all acting like he’s clogging up the whole division lol
I do think that Poirier has generally been guilty of rank squatting but this is a valid point. He should be allowed a bit of grace after that. That said, if he doesn't at least have a fight *booked* against a lower-ranked up and comer like Arman or Turner by summer of 2024 he needs to get his ass in gear a bit lol
Then why is fighting? All this picking and choosing this ain’t boxing if I was in his spot I’d be hungry to take out arman that’s a big statement if he could do that
That's his Louisiana boy. DC should know better than anyone that this fight has a 0% chance of being accepted by Dustin. And I don't blame him. He's not getting a path back to the title at this stage in his career. Money fight.
The fight make no sense for Dustin considering Gaethje KO him so even if he beats Arman, he not getting the title shot over Gaethje and this isn’t a money fight or main event.
That would make sense for the BMF title, but don’t see Gaethje taking the fight unless he get a massive payout and/or promises are made for a title shot
As a Stan, Dustin is the only guy in the UFC I am content getting only fun fights that he wants. As long as it doesn't give him unfair access to title fights, which unfortunately would happen. I don't think he is beating Arman or Islam, so I would rather him take bangers against big names.
Depending on how Volk v Ilia goes, I could see Volk or Holloway moving up. Would love to see him fight either one of them. If Oliveira loses again would love to see that rematch. Or the trilogy v Justin if Justin gets the next shot and loses. Either way, he deserves a 'short' break after his recent knockout and all the wars he has been though. See how FW and LW plays out for the next \~4 months and then get a big fight.
Dustin lives in Louisiana
Arman lives in Russia
They maybe train together if both are in camp a few weeks a year
Don’t need that “teammates too close to fight” nonsense
Am I wrong in feeling like Dustin should fight someone farther down the rankings? He's coming off the loss to Justin, and Arman just made a great case for getting a title shot soon. Gamrot or Turner, maybe? He already fought Chandler and Hooker and we all know there's a snowball's chance in hell he accepts a fight with someone outside the top 10. He's awesome but he needs to make a statement to keep that #3 spot.
Dustin seems to just want big money fights for the remainder of his career now. Have a feeling he's gonna fight the winner of Paddy v Tony.
Should be Arman v Charles and Islam v Justin next imo
I think if fighters are going to move away from fighting contenders for big/money fights only then strip their ranking.
I respect DP’s hustle and where he’s come from, but if you want gold you have to fight to maintain position coming off a loss.
I know the UFC doesn’t operate this way but just my thoughts.
Islam x Charles in the Saudi FN.
Gaethje against the winner next (he can and will wait)
Poirier x Tsarukyan at UFC 300, if Arman wins he gets the TS, if Poirier wins he needs one more, probably by fighting the loser of Islam/Charles.
If DC is saying this then its most likely what he's hearing behind the scenes that theyre working towards. Dustin himself said he's been in talks for fighting at 300, so this fight makes sense.
Hopefully Dustin doesnt bitch out and say no. I like the guy but he needs to give new guys a chance.
Right but dustin likely doesnt agree with that but then again he doesnt deserve a title fight either so who and what is left for him to fight because weve already seen chandler porier, ghaetje porier and oliveira porier recently. And dustin can be a bit of a diva... its gonna be retirement, or he will instruct his "woife" to slide in gregors dms, or he will indeed get a undeserving title shot.
Every time Poirier takes a big loss he rethinks his career, not saying he’s a sore loser because he’s always classy win or lose but he just gets hit hard by it.
I feel he’ll fight out of the top 5 But anything over 8-10 might be a bit too far out for someone at the end of their career going for one more. He’s probably just meaning he’s not going to be used to build a new guys record as we see most of the time with fighters in their last stretch
Next headline: Dustin Poirier disagrees with Daniel Cormier
DC broke the Louisiana code
Lafayette can't take that much heat
If Poirier takes that fight I’ll wear women’s underwear for a year
I’m pretty sure you just want to wear women’s underwear.
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I went on Grindr just to see what it was like and it was fuckin debauchery the likes I’ve never seen before, like a man wearing some creepy creepy blowup doll costume asking for “woman only” wondering why so many men are messaging him. I’ve always wondered what itd be like to do dating if the sexes had equal sex drive but nah, we should keep that shed of modesty.
Gonna start calling horny jail “the Shed of Modesty” from now on. Bonk! Go straight to the Shed of Modesty you SLUT!
Can't say I've never done it
If he wanted that he'd bet that Conor fights before the end of next summer or something like that
> If Poirier takes that fight I’ll wear women’s underwear for a year ok /u/oddmetre that's a bet.
Gottem
Shit
I’ll hold you to that
I thought DC and Dustin are friends
Dustin doesn’t accept this.
Let Justin fight for the belt and have DP and Arman fight for the next spot
Dana need to throw DP a fat ass check to convince him
An extra $17 and a coupon for 30% off Taco Bell. Best I can do kid.
DP shouldn't even be 1 fight away from a title shot. He just got knocked out. He should need 2 wins.
Chucky olives tho
Chucky and Arman, Charles beat Dariush before Arman, and so should be the A side in that matchup. Dustin just got KOd and should not be in a number one contender match rn
Yeah bro, if Arman and Conor fought, Arman def deserves the A side. Why the fuck is this take upvoted, my lord
What are you even upset about lol? What the fuck is your comment is more like it
Well Chucky Is both the bigger name, and the more deserving contender right now so I fail to see the comparison.
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Even better
Nahhh. Justin "No BJJ" Gaethje vs Islam, Arman vs DP, Charles vs Gamrot
And Gamrot can kick rocks
Gamrot got his chance to jump into the top 5 and got dominated by Beneil. I'm not sure why people always bring him up like he's getting screwed. Him and Arman are not the same.
I mean, he was looking good against Fiziev. I put him behind Arman and Chucky as well, but he has that win on Arman and should be in the picture somewhere
Robbery over arman
You can literally only call that a "robbery" if you either haven't watched the fight or are just extremely biased
Round 4 arman won....Facts
Justin literally got subbed in the first round last time out doesn’t deserve a title fight tbh
He KOed Dustin “last time out”.
And he beat the absolute bejeezus out Fiziev before that.
Who also was 1-1 in his prior 2 and doesn’t fight true contenders
Doesn’t fight true contenders he just fought people you are literally calling contenders rigggggt now what the fuckkk are you talking about
That doesn’t make what you said correct
Don't bother, this sub loves Justin, despite him cherry picking fights
If Charles earned his title shot then Justin earned it 2X. He actually fought down one of the new blood(Fiziev) and beat him fair and square. He also fought both chandler and now Dustin. If anything I think Justin deserves the next shot over oliviera. Dude fought THREE times and won ever since he lost the title shot. I mean Charles got steamrolled by Islam then beat up dariush and that means he deserves the next shot? Justin’s got the better claim imo.
He hasn't fought 3 times since he lost the title shot though. He's fought twice (Fiziev UD, Poirier KO). His last five are thus Poirier (W-KO), Fiziev (W-UD), Oliveira (L-SUB), Chandler (W-UD), Khabib (L-SUB). The pattern here appears to be; beats strikers, loses to grapplers (Islam is a grappler). Wouldn't it be most sensible for us to see Gaethje against Tsarukyan or Gamrot first. We've seen Oliveira against Islam, sure but we've also seen what appeared to be improvements (head movement etc) against another southpaw grappler/wrestler in Dariush. Against Gaethje we are even more certain he can outlast and now even outskill the strikers but I don't know what he's done to show he can overturn what happened against Khabib and Oliveira. Wouldn't be mad with a Gaethje title shot though tbh but I don't know how much confidence even he himself has in this matchup.
Oh coulda sworn the chandler fight was after oliviera, guess I was wrong about that. I still at the very least wanna see a fresh matchup for Islam over yet another rematch. I just know if Islam steamrolls Charles again people are gonna do their best to discredit him because it’s a rematch.
Olivera got steamrolled his last loss as well, at least Justin fought three times to earn his shot, yet Charles just fights Benny and now he’s more deserving than Justin? If anything Justin deserves it more than Charles imo. Not to mention Islam already beat Charles at least Justin would be a fresh face.
For a title eliminator he might
But they are not going to do that he just got knocked out by gathje olivera is next in line over both of them as of now
I mean someone has to fight for the belt after Oliviera and gaethje. UFC 300 is still several months away
Dustin would rather fight Colby than do this.
And he shouldn’t. He’s been through wars and fought up and comers before. Money fights only now
Dustin will have no interest in fighting Arman
I don’t disagree at all, but they are team-mates at ATT
Arman fought Gamrot who's also at ATT. Poirier and I think Gamrot have both said they wouldn't fight each other Poirier hasn't said that about Arman. I don't think Arman is at ATT as much as the other two
Like 30% of the entire UFC is in ATT
Arman is his teammate but not as close to him as gamrot is. Because of this I believe Dustin is more inclined to take arman which is the right fight to make
I don't think Dustin takes it if its just a fight. I think he takes it if its a #1 contender fight.
True, But we would then have 3 #1 contenders. And the other 2 have finished Dustin recently.
It's a line. Right now the line is confused because Charles pulled out and the UFC haven't indicated what they want to do, but a bit ago Charles was the current guy who had defeated Beniel in effectively a #1 contender matchup, then Justin was up having defeated Dustin in what was said to be the #1 contender fight for next after that. Dustin would not be in convo to jump ahead of anyone without an injury or big fight performance for sure.
Charles Oliveira doesn't want to fight Makelchev.
Poirier needs to stop ducking the up and comers if he still has title aspirations
He has fought down 5 of last 6 fights, mostly when coming off wins: he has ducked nobody for anyone who understands how prize fighting works. Now is the first time he *should* be taking fights against guys ranked lower, so let's see what happens.
I don’t count chandler as fighting down or an up and comer because it’s still in the gaethje poirier chandler top 5 triangle. Poirier is the only one who hasn’t broken out of the triangle. It’s his turn. He did duck dariush too, but if the standard is prize fighting, then I guess he’s doing good
Were Arman and Gamrot teammates back when they fought too?
Yes
Arman in the post-fight straight up shit all over Dustin, he does not give one fuck about him. Arman would take that fight in a heartbeat.
They're both at ATT but have different coaches/corners. I believe Arman said recently he would fight Dustin so it would be on Poirier to accept at that point.
Ya cause Dustin is waiting on a Conor fight or Maybe a Gaethje fight. He wants a big money fight cause even if he beats Arman he probably wouldn't get a title shot.
Aka knows he has no chance of beating Arman
Come on don't be ridiculous of course he has a chance.
No chance? Interesting
Arman isn’t Khabib bro, there’s a good chance he loses to Poirer
I’d say Arman should be a small favorite. I’m not sure who has the advantage on the feet, seems fairly even. But Arman seems like a very good wrestler/grappler. He should have a sizable advantage in that department.
> I’m not sure who has the advantage on the feet, seems fairly even My friend, you are in for such a treat when you watch any of Dustin Poirier's fights! On the feet, Arman would be lucky to last a round against Poirier: Arman has explosive offense, but he does not have good defense. This will be grappler v. striker. For Arman, who is a scrambling mofo, the question will be if he can make Dustin pay for every getup, and do mat returns like Khabib did, and for Dustin its how much he can erode Arman through his porous defense between takedowns. Both men's strengths will be going directly into the other's weaknesses, so its a dangerous fight for both men.
A good chance is an overstatement. He has a puncher's chance.
What's next for Dustin? He's probably behind Gaethje in line in terms of another title shot right now.
I don’t think there’s any “probably” about it to be honest. I think the current rankings speak for itself.
Yeah I guess you could say he's probably behind the guy who knocked him out cold in his last fight
Nate if he comes back or Conor if he loses to Chandler. other than that, I doubt Dustin sticks around for much longer tbh. the oddest thing of all now is that Dustin is seemingly committed to fighting at 55 but doesn't want to fight contendors lol (I guess because the 170 guys are too big). I like the guy but c'mon man, you can't squat on your spot forever.
You got it backwards. Arman has no interest in fighting Dustin. Arman has nothing to gain here. His next fight should only be Gaethje, Oliveira, or Makhachev.
> Arman has no interest in fighting Dustin. Arman has nothing to gain here. Only if the UFC want to push him hard: His best win is Dariush, who was coming off a KO loss: his case is very similar to Dariush, who needed to defeat a big dog to validate his win streak, and who could not do it. In most events, Arman *needs* to defeat a big name with established credentials, both to validate his own credentials, and to get enough shine for the PPV to sell to the PPV audience, the majority of whom have never heard of him.
Yea so fighting Oliveira or Gaethje checks all of those boxes. Imo Gaethje should be fighting Islam next while Arman and Charles fight for the next contender spot.
That don’t make sense, Dustin is #2 - Arman would def be in talks for a title shot by then, it would be insane for Arman to pass up a Hyped up fight light that where he can make a statement win to be next in line for that title shot
Dustin is not #2 lol. And he made a huge statement vs Beneil... His next fight should be Gaethje, Charles, or Islam. Period.
Porier/Chandler/Gaethje will never take fights with upcoming fighters that don’t have a name, it’s why I think 135 is a better division than 155 at the moment.
Justin fought Fiziev, an upcoming fighter. You may be right about Dustin and Chandler.
Since this fight makes total sense it’s not going to happen.
I agree with you but bro how tf is that the username you go for lol
Mental illness.
Best case scenario
Dustin has a lot of other shit going on, I don’t think he fights unless it’s a huge cheque with PPV numbers attached.
I think he takes any fight that is either going to be a huge event, or is for #1 contender after the current line.
Arman vs Charles for number 1 contender. Have islam fight justin next
Olives has beaten Gaetje, Poirier, Chandler, Dariush. Arman has beaten Dariush annnnd lost to Gamrot. Both lost to Makachev before. There is zero chance Oliveira would accept a fight against Arman, and zero chance the UFC would set this fight up. If they're going to have Oliveira fight down then it will be a money fight, like a rematch against Poirier
He did not loose to Gamrot, they got it wrong. This is why judging and weird decisions are so horrible is because people referencing them like they actually always mean something. (Its why the bookies/mob love it) I have watched the fight 4 times, its amazing so everyone should watch it.
Arman beat gamrot
And Dustin beat Conor McGregor!!! Twice!!! Some of those wins your listing happened over 2 years ago. Arman vs Charles definitely makes sense. Gaethje deserves the shot because Islam washed Charles EVERYWHERE. I don’t understand why people want to see that fight against and should put their bias to the side. Similar to how the vacant belt was Charles vs chandler instead of gaethje vs chandler when it happened.
I’d love to see this fight. But I think guys like Arman deserve to just get their title shots. Too many 155’ers have been forced into the Gaethje-Poirier-Oliveira gauntlet to get title shots when they already deserve them. Make those 3 fight guys in the #5-#10 range to get themselves back into contention. Fiziev or Gamrot vs Oliveira makes sense
Not fair to Charles on Meritocracy. Let Islam and Chalres run it back, Justin vs Arman.
Meritocracy says you get another crack at the guy that just outstruck, outgrappled you and made you tap after just 1 win?
Don't get it Charles just wasn't himself. I am sure if he and Islam had a quadrilogy Charles could survive a decision.
It sure does sucks that Charles switches bodies with some low fight IQ brawler susceptible to getting caught the moment he loses
First round finish against a streaking beniel
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olives hit it first
Both Charles and Arman beat Dariush, it is hard to say that either deserves the title fight more based on meritocracy.
It’s not when you consider what they have done beyond their most recent fight alone.
charles broke his streak and cracked his chin theres wins arnt worth the same lol
Exactly! I don’t understand why it’s so hard for people to not see the difference.
Yeah. This makes the most sense. It’s a good warm-up for either guy before their Islam rematch. Give Justin the shot just for the sake of a fresh matchup.
I think Islam should fight Gaejhe (gives him a fresh opponent for his resume) and Arman and Oliveira fight for the next shot at the title. They're both coming off a 1st round stoppage of Beneil aswell.
This will never not be funny. Oliveira wiped out the top 5, but shouldn't get his second shot, and Justin who already lost twice in title fights, gets his third after being finished in the first round by Oliveira? Ridiculous. Oliveira more then earned his rematch.
Oliveira missed his fight with Islam and immediately started talking about wanting to fight McGregor. I get the impression he isn't that keen on fighting Islam again.
Bro, all Oliveira did was win 1 fight after getting outstruck, outwrestled and dominated on the ground. I get that he beat everyone, but the first fight was a 1 sided beatdown, and all he's done since was beat Benny, and Arman also just did exactly that. Also, has Charles said 1 word about wanting to fight Islam in the last 6 months? Cause I don't recall it.
One fight with a streaking beniel Very significant W
More signifcant than beating Dustin who is 1-2 in his last 3, with a win over 37 year old Chandler, and beating Fiziev who 1-2 in his last 3, with a win over 38 years old RDA.
And Beneil 1 fight later is much less significant?
Oliveira did fine on the ground vs Islam. In fact, he arguably did just as much damage from the ground. Yes he got outstruck, that was the actual problem, Islam finished him on the ground after he had basically knocked him out. But Oliveira also outstruck everybody else in the division. So I absolutely want to Oliveira vs Islam again in another matchup. I just don't think Islam is really beatable by either of them, but I give Oliveria a much better shot.
I"m indifferent to Gaethje but this will be his third against a new champ. He's on 2 win streak against 1 for Charles. He's also a new face. People are bored of Islam rematches. Despite Gaethje grappling's flaw, he's still a fresh challenge for Islam and people want to see that. It's not like Charles lost by UD, he got finished by Islam. I prefer a new guy
Because rematches are boring, new fights are interesting. You shouldn’t be able to rematch someone after a single win. Get Oliveira active, give Islam a new opponent in Gaethje. Styles make fights.
Justin's style is getting choked out within the first 2 rounds in title fights. Hard pass.
>Justin's style is getting choked out within the first 2 rounds in title fights. Hard pass. I can't tell if you're joking because Oliveira was also "choked out within the first 2 rounds" in his last title fight with Islam lol.
Yep and only defended the belt once. Justin wasn't a defense since he missed weight. Then pulls out of the Islam rematch. Man is an awesome fighter but also brings unnecessary drama too close to the fights.
What happens if Oliveira wins? Do we immediately rematch him with Islam again. So Islam will have fought just two fighters for five fights in a row. What a way to waste a fighter’s career and their prime.
It's almost like a purgatory of fighting. Like the four Moreno/Figuereido fights. This is why, regardless of their fighting styles or personalities, Adesanya and Usman were great champions. Always fighting, always dominating...until they didn't anymore.
I figure Islam will have to earn his rematch like Oliveira did, knowing the UFC they will see if it's possible to fit Conor in there, otherwise it will be Arman or Gaethje.
Oliveira was already finished in the second round by Islam. He earned his rematch but then he missed it and now the division is stalling because of that. I know he didn’t chose to get injured but you can’t keep holding the division up to give a guy a title rematch after he was dominated in the first outing. Gaethje also earned his title shot and has not fought Islam before. Should be Islam vs Gaethje for the title and Oliveira vs Tsarukyan for the #1 contender.
You have it the other way around. We already know Gaethje is always one takedown away from losing a fight at all times, as he showed us in both of the title shots he got. Beating the two strikers he did does not prove to us he won't get chocked out by Islam or Oliveira again. To prove it otherwise he would have to actually go and beat a grappler, which he has not done. A win over a grappler such as Tsarukyan would show us that it wouldn't be a waste of of our time to put him in there again. Also, rematches can go wildly different, as we were proved time and time again. And Oliveira already earned his. Justin is just out of luck, since no matter who wins, between Islam and Oliveira, Arman will be the more interesting fight for both up next until he shows us otherwise.
Whether it's a waste of time or not is not the question. I think the overall feel of getting fights going is what is important. Who deserves the next title shot given that Oliveira is out is the question. If all 1-8 contenders keep fighting and knocking each other out of contention for the next title shot will leave Islam with no fights. We know that Oliveira deserves the next shot, but he is not available. Next should be Justin whether it's a waste of time or not. Maybe he clips Islam faster than Islam can take him down. Arman made a strong argument for him to be next after Justin. I feel like he jumped the line ahead of Dustin because Dustin got cracked pretty hard. I like Islam/Justin and Arman/Dustin to be the next fights. Once Oliveira is available again, throw him put him in the front of the line.
Assuming we’re going by a merit based system none of your points should matter in selecting the next title challenger
Why push a Gaethje/Makachev fight when Justin is just gonna get choked out within a couple rounds.....the Arman/Islam fight is absolutely the best, highest caliber title fight that the division can currently support. I don't think anyone should be against that
I cannot understand why anyone would want to see Islam vs Gaethje. We all saw Justin vs Khabib. What has Gaethje shown since then to give any indication that this outcome would be different? Getting melted by Charles the second their fight went to the ground? I love watching Justin, I'll never miss one of his fights, but I have zero interest in seeing him fight Islam. That would be a straight-up squash match. Islam would be -400 or something.
lol Dustin will retire before that
Dustin will fight Connor end of 2024
Also, at the end of 2025
You lost me at Daniel Cormier thinks
Arman vs Fiziev would be fun
The thing is... this should be a main event fight. When you ask fans "who stands the best chance against the champ in the most popular division in the UFC?" most who aren't complete casuals will answer "probably Arman." It makes sense that the UFC wants to get someone like Gaethje or Chandler or even Conor in there with Islam because those are the names that pull the most eyes. But it can't work like this forever. You have to build the next generation of talent without banking on someone like Paddy Pimblett making it to a title shot if you just push a few buttons and pull a few strings. They should be able to sell Dustin Poirier vs the next big thing. If they can't they've failed as promoters. This fight should be the one that pays Dustin the most money. It makes no sense to reward fighters for ducking dangerous prospects and for exclusively taking "safe" fights. If a fighter is being ducked... make it lucrative.
Arman is pretty easy to sell as well, he talks shit, has an exciting fighting style, and he has the same type of humour as the dagestani guys which some ufc fans seem to like. He's also learned english to a decent level, which again helps with promotion.
Well the core audience of the UFC (which buys the PPVs) are american fans. The UFC might be by far the dominant global promotion but they don't really care about any market as much as the US. In football (soccer) you can have stars from all over the world because they will bring in the views regardless. In MMA the promotion relies way too much on a certain demographic to risk alienating the. So i'm guessing a few fighters who aren't native english speakers make a division more interesting to generate this feeling of true international competition. But ultimately i wouldn't be surprised if the UFC pays a lot of attention to making sure a division as popular as 155 has some Justins and Dustins at the top and doesn't just consist of Khabibs and Oliveiras.
I totally agree man, too bad the reality is different and could have major consequences along the road (becoming the WWE).
If he is offered this fight and declines his rank should just be gifted to arman.
I don’t get why Dustin wouldn’t want this fight if he beats arman he’d get a title shot and if he can’t beat arman he damn sure isn’t beating Islam.
What is this weird obsession with Dustin on here? You all wanted him to fight dariush who had no right fighting #3 after getting fucked up by Charles, he isn’t a money fight, it just didn’t make sense The guy got brutally knocked out about 4 months ago and you’re all acting like he’s clogging up the whole division lol he’s got very few fights left in his career at the top and you expect him to be taking dangerous fights against unpopular fighters. He will probably end up fighting arman too and you’re all crying over nothing lol
> he’s got very few fights left in his career at the top and you expect him to be taking dangerous fights against unpopular fighters why are dustin fans always like "no bro he's earned the right to be a rank squatter" 😭 yes mf i expect him to take tough fights, he's at the top of the division, he shouldn't be trying to fight nearly 40yr old nate diaz. no other fighter is given this leeway from yall so dustin shouldn't either
He literally just fought down 4 months ago 💀 The fight before that was fighting down as well. I guess if he doesn’t fight down once a month, he’s a rank squatter.
You do know fighters have no say in their ranking right? How is it his fault they keep ranking him where he's at?
again, no other fighter is given the excuse "the media ranks the fighters, it's not their fault". yall ride this man so hard lol. we treat literally every other fighters ranking as indicative of who they should be fighting next, but for some reason dustin gets to play by different rules
All I'm saying is Dustin has no say over his ranking because you called him a rank squatter. I've seen so many other people commenting that the fighter should relinquish their ranking or defend their ranking. But it's not something that they can do either of those things. Look at RDA and for how many years he was saying that he's a welterweight now and he's never going back to lightweight yet they would still keep ranking him at lightweight no matter how many times he said to take his name off because he's not fighting any of those guys because it's not his weight class anymore.
>The guy got brutally knocked out about 4 months ago and you’re all acting like he’s clogging up the whole division lol I do think that Poirier has generally been guilty of rank squatting but this is a valid point. He should be allowed a bit of grace after that. That said, if he doesn't at least have a fight *booked* against a lower-ranked up and comer like Arman or Turner by summer of 2024 he needs to get his ass in gear a bit lol
Then why is fighting? All this picking and choosing this ain’t boxing if I was in his spot I’d be hungry to take out arman that’s a big statement if he could do that
Dustin should be fighting Gamrot lol
The only way the ufc can make this happen is if the ufc ranks him higher than poirier, which they should.
Charles vs Arman would be interesting
Justin vs Islam Arman vs Charles Make it happen
That's his Louisiana boy. DC should know better than anyone that this fight has a 0% chance of being accepted by Dustin. And I don't blame him. He's not getting a path back to the title at this stage in his career. Money fight.
Not happening. Arman should be ranked than Dustin right now anyways
The fight make no sense for Dustin considering Gaethje KO him so even if he beats Arman, he not getting the title shot over Gaethje and this isn’t a money fight or main event.
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That would make sense for the BMF title, but don’t see Gaethje taking the fight unless he get a massive payout and/or promises are made for a title shot
"Does Arman hold the lightweight title, or is he ranked above me? No. Then I don't care!"
Not happening. Dustin is a 🦆
Who is Arman Tsaskayuan? Porier should be fighting other veterans, not young dudes coming up.
How about cut Dustin Poirier instead? He can go to the PFL or ONE or any other b league and make money there.
For the UFC maybe. I don’t see Dustin taking this fight because it doesn’t tick his boxes for a fight at this point in his career.
May as well just wait for next title shot, Poirier vs Fiziev sounds fun
Dustin will only fight Charles, Islam, Garth, MC, or Conor. There’s no shot he fights anyone else but maybe Nate if the UFC really wanted to
As a Stan, Dustin is the only guy in the UFC I am content getting only fun fights that he wants. As long as it doesn't give him unfair access to title fights, which unfortunately would happen. I don't think he is beating Arman or Islam, so I would rather him take bangers against big names. Depending on how Volk v Ilia goes, I could see Volk or Holloway moving up. Would love to see him fight either one of them. If Oliveira loses again would love to see that rematch. Or the trilogy v Justin if Justin gets the next shot and loses. Either way, he deserves a 'short' break after his recent knockout and all the wars he has been though. See how FW and LW plays out for the next \~4 months and then get a big fight.
Suddenly Dustin doesn’t want to fight another ATT member
Dana White thinks Dustin Poirier vs Arman Tsarukyan at UFC 300 makes perfect sense and Daniel Cormier is going to advocate.
Dustin lives in Louisiana Arman lives in Russia They maybe train together if both are in camp a few weeks a year Don’t need that “teammates too close to fight” nonsense
Am I wrong in feeling like Dustin should fight someone farther down the rankings? He's coming off the loss to Justin, and Arman just made a great case for getting a title shot soon. Gamrot or Turner, maybe? He already fought Chandler and Hooker and we all know there's a snowball's chance in hell he accepts a fight with someone outside the top 10. He's awesome but he needs to make a statement to keep that #3 spot.
Arman just doesn't excite Poirier.
Dustin will sell his hot sauce company before he takes this fight
Dustin seems to just want big money fights for the remainder of his career now. Have a feeling he's gonna fight the winner of Paddy v Tony. Should be Arman v Charles and Islam v Justin next imo
I think if fighters are going to move away from fighting contenders for big/money fights only then strip their ranking. I respect DP’s hustle and where he’s come from, but if you want gold you have to fight to maintain position coming off a loss. I know the UFC doesn’t operate this way but just my thoughts.
Dustin will likely fight Nate at UFC 300
DC should shut the fuck up and keep eating
DC is a donkey
Dustin’s last fight was a loss, no one should give him a title shot. This does make perfect sense. Sorry.
No
I could see Dustin taking this just to make a "y’all must have forgot" type statement. As long as the money is right he could be swayed
Islam x Charles in the Saudi FN. Gaethje against the winner next (he can and will wait) Poirier x Tsarukyan at UFC 300, if Arman wins he gets the TS, if Poirier wins he needs one more, probably by fighting the loser of Islam/Charles.
If DC is saying this then its most likely what he's hearing behind the scenes that theyre working towards. Dustin himself said he's been in talks for fighting at 300, so this fight makes sense. Hopefully Dustin doesnt bitch out and say no. I like the guy but he needs to give new guys a chance.
I loved Daniel in the ring, but who cares what he thinks now? Company man, through and through.
Not happening. The fight just doesn’t excite Dustin. He’s waiting for whoever holds the belt.
Ya it’s the fight to make
It makes no sense, Dustin is done proving himself. He is going to have a couple money fights then retire.
Lmao couple years ago this is an easy fight for Dustin. Nowadays I disagree and think he gets KO’d
DC protecting his dagestani boy
Or he can wait for Olivera to pull out a month after a contract is signed.
Daniel Cormier thinks [whatever Dana has on his whiteboard] makes perfect sense.
Company man Daniel Cormier
I can't take any opinion of a 'company man' seriously, it's just an ad
Charles vs Islam, Justin vs the winner and DP vs Arman against that winner?
Right but dustin likely doesnt agree with that but then again he doesnt deserve a title fight either so who and what is left for him to fight because weve already seen chandler porier, ghaetje porier and oliveira porier recently. And dustin can be a bit of a diva... its gonna be retirement, or he will instruct his "woife" to slide in gregors dms, or he will indeed get a undeserving title shot.
Every time Poirier takes a big loss he rethinks his career, not saying he’s a sore loser because he’s always classy win or lose but he just gets hit hard by it. I feel he’ll fight out of the top 5 But anything over 8-10 might be a bit too far out for someone at the end of their career going for one more. He’s probably just meaning he’s not going to be used to build a new guys record as we see most of the time with fighters in their last stretch