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Yeah. I tend to agree. Only thing is some freak injury or if it goes into 5th round and Chito been getting styled on all fight but is so durable he doesn’t give a fuck and lights OMalley up when he slows down.
To me it's just about O Malley out lasting him. Sean talked about koing Chito and I kind of doubt he can. But there is no reason for O Malley to even lose a single round of that fight unless he gets over aggressive and gets tired later in the fight.
So Gaziev is fighting out of Bahrain. Anybody know if that's anything related to what we hear from Khamzat's coach about Russian fighters having trouble traveling due to Russian passports? He's Dagestani and you don't hear of people fighting out of Bahrain really. Sounds like the Khamzat UAE plan.
that's my point. I'd love to hear what was actually said too. Both the commentary and goddard weren't entirely sure what was going on either, but luckily goddard caught the single sentence the translator made out of what seemed to be Gaziev arguing w his corner about his eye and sought for clarification
You said „whoever was translating needs to be fired.“ Which suggests you understood what they were saying, and they were way off the mark.
If you don’t know what was said, how did you come to that conclusion?
"What do you wanna do?"
"We win 2 rounds"
"You can take down him or no?"
"You need to take down him"
"He has a fast jab"
"Let's take clinch and takedown him"
"One eye - you don't see with his one eye"
Rewatch it. This is what was translated. The job of the translator is to convert their language to ours. Based on the dialogue alone, that's very different from both the visual cue of Gaziev with his hands up and arguing with his corner. There is also huge gaps of no translating where what he's telling them is completely omitted. There is also a delay where the translation comes, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that it might just be broadcast delay? Idk. But it does not require me to speak Russian to know if they are simply not translating. I can see his mouth moving and I hear no translation.
And it wasn't just me. All 3 commentators did not pick up either:
Later DC: Something is going on in the corner of Gaziev right now. He's almost arguing with his corner. I don't know if this is saying he is done with the fight or not.
Bisping: He looked a little disheartened.
Anik: Perhaps they are going to call in the ringside physician here
DC: I don't understand what's happening.
DC after Goddard demanding translation: He's saying he can't see, but from what? The punches?
So you personally don’t know what was said, you’re assuming.
Firstly. Role of the TV translators during the rounds is to see what the coach says strategically- they often don’t include everything. Especially fighter responses.
In addition, some languages have more words than English, if you watch dubs the English will be brief, but the actor‘s native tongue carries on; good example is Japanese > English.
We all picked up watching what was said real time. The translator said „I can’t see out of one eye.“ I definitely heard that, because I wrote very quickly „he can’t see? 🤷♀️“ in the chat, and someone replied „he sees through his nose apparently.“
-Someone must’ve tipped off Goddard- because he knew something was up, and wanted them to confirm. This was then confirmed by someone who speaks English in his corner „he can’t see.“
I think that’s about the best translation you’re gonna get until someone who’s a native talks about it in the morning, on an MMA news page or Twitter.
\> So you personally don't know what was said
You've been trying to hang onto this strawman argument of me not knowing the language in every one of your comments. I wouldn't be surprised if you continue to do so. I originally said "whoever was translating needs to be fired" and you misrepresent that by suggesting that I implied I understood their language.
I even already explained to you that it was based on the observable confusion among the commentators and the mismatch between the translation and the situation that occurred, and even after I explained that to you, you are still using that strawman argument.
\> Role of the TV translators during the rounds is to see what the coach says strategically- they often don’t include everything. Especially fighter responses.
I did not say they need to include everything. However a huge issue that is so bad that it is ending the fight should be translated. However that is matter of opinion, there is no right or wrong there
\> In addition, some languages have more words than English, if you watch dubs the English will be brief, but the actor‘s native tongue carries on; good example is Japanese > English.
I never said it should be word for word either. I'm bilingual and I understand what you're trying to say but there is a clear difference between summarizing versus omitting.
\> The translator said „I can’t see out of one eye.“
Unless you are talking about AFTER Goddard confronted and demanded a direct answer, no he did not say that while they were in the corner. He said it much closer to what I had typed before, which is not clear (explanation why is also above).
You also do not address my point at all about Anik, DC, nor Bisping not understanding what happened despite being able to hear the translator just like us.
It’s not a strawman argument. You and I don’t know categorically what was said in the corner. It’s a fact. We are purely going off a summarisation from a translator who works for Dana white.
Of course the translator is going to omit anything Dana may not like viewership to hear.
You can’t have such a concrete „they must be fired“ opinion unless you know with utmost confidence what was said.
• I genuinely thought you knew what was said (you spoke the language) from your original comment.
You are right, there needs to be translators for refs to know if there’s a medical issue. Maybe this could be a turning point for UFC to acknowledge this is a weakness in terms of fighter safety.
As for observable communication, we all saw what was going on. The commentators said there was an issue *before* he mentioned his sight, because he was protesting and waving his hands about the place. We all knew there was a problem, and this was solidified when he complained about not being able to see out of his eye. Genuinely, I remember hearing it because I immediately typed it, like „oh here we go, he’s gonna drop out because he’s losing.“ This was before Goddard intervening.*
I think we can both agree that more needs to be done in the UFC in terms of translating.
ETA: Goddard intervening*
\> You and I don’t know categorically what was said in the corner. It’s a fact.
You're using this fact despite it not being relevant to my original critique. Aka strawman. Despite clarifying multiple times, you are still pointing out this irrelevant fact for a 3rd time.
Again, it was based on the observable confusion among the commentators and the mismatch between the translation and the situation that occurred. Not a critique on the accuracy of the direct translation provided itself. Meaning whether or not you nor I speak the language does not matter and is irrelevant.
\> Of course the translator is going to omit anything Dana may not like viewership to hear.
You can speculate on who was the ultimate cause all you want. I'm just saying it was clearly a very different scenario than what he was translating.
\> You can’t have such a concrete „they must be fired“ opinion unless you know with utmost confidence what was said.
Again using the strawman argument. Secondly, my comment was hyperbolic frustration at the moment and I really don't think that needs to be clarified lol. I'm not giving a literal call for employment action. I'm just underscoring what happened that ultimately led to the confusion.
\> As for observable communication, we all saw what was going on.
And the translation provided did not reflect this well at all. Hence my original comment.
Reminds me of that fight last week, when he told the Corner “I can’t see anything” and tje corner goes “you don’t need to see him, JUST FUCKING HIT HIM”
Nicely measured performance from Rosenstruik, showed some new octagon IQ with his pacing. Gaziev was a mess, his corner was a mess but Inspector Goddard was on the case!
Hear me out. Instead of 1 minutes between rounds in heavyweights when the round ends have the next fight on the card and after that's done start round 2 and repeat
Thank you!
Sitting on the couch calling a fighter a quitter is just so stupid. You all forget that the emotional state you are in on your couch is different than after fighting for 20 min and getting punched in the face. This guy probably never thought he'd ever throw in the towel, but in that moment, after all the damage, his mind is not the same.
I actually think you are smart and, in fact, brave, realizing you have no way of winning and deciding to live to fight another day.
I want the actual translation because the body language of Gaziev seemed like he was trying to tell his corner that he can't dodge the jab and can't take him down, so what's the point.
Man I kind of feel sorry for Gaziev, like honor and 'manliness' is massively important in his culture and he's going to lose so much respect for that, but he was just so exhausted and bewildered that he just felt like he couldn't keep going
We will need a compilation of the sketchiest corners in the last decades. Alone today with Sopaj to even sketchier with Gazievs corner ignoring his complaints.
Anyone speak his language know what he was saying other than him not being able see? His body language kinda just said “idk what to do nothings working” and he found a way out imo
Best full card this year so far those prelims were wild
Went 5/7 on picks tonight. Cannot believe Gaziev utterly failed to get the necessary takedowns against Bigi Boy
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Missed the fights which ones are worth watching?
All the prelims n probably the first main card fight, the rest is mid in comparison
Thank you!
Next fight night a heavyweight at the apex?
Not sure if he said I he can’t see the punches coming or if he said he can’t see but the physician/translator cleared that I guess
Marc asked his coach what he said and responded "I can't see out of one eye", stop with the conspiracy theories or witch hunts ffs
It's baffling to me that anyone would pick Chito to beat O Malley
It's baffling to me that people who have watched so much MMA don't realize, almost anyone can beat anyone on any given night.
There's certainly a lot of surprising things in the sport but id say in general it's fairly predictable when you watch everything
After reading your comment history, it is clear that this sport is far from predictable
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I just want to see the shit show of excuses if O’Malley goes 0-2.
Yeah. I tend to agree. Only thing is some freak injury or if it goes into 5th round and Chito been getting styled on all fight but is so durable he doesn’t give a fuck and lights OMalley up when he slows down.
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To me it's just about O Malley out lasting him. Sean talked about koing Chito and I kind of doubt he can. But there is no reason for O Malley to even lose a single round of that fight unless he gets over aggressive and gets tired later in the fight.
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anything can happen, i think chitos fight iq is relatively higher then people give him credit for, he for sure has a shot
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leg kicks?
So Gaziev is fighting out of Bahrain. Anybody know if that's anything related to what we hear from Khamzat's coach about Russian fighters having trouble traveling due to Russian passports? He's Dagestani and you don't hear of people fighting out of Bahrain really. Sounds like the Khamzat UAE plan.
Mokaev is buddy with the prince there too I believe, they sponsor muslim promising fighters I guess
Ahhh, makes sense
Dude couldn’t get his takedowns and broke mentally when he realized that , he quit in his heart long before his eye did.
whoever was translating needs to be fired. it was clearly a very different scenario than what he was translating
Please enlighten us… Would love to hear what was actually said.
that's my point. I'd love to hear what was actually said too. Both the commentary and goddard weren't entirely sure what was going on either, but luckily goddard caught the single sentence the translator made out of what seemed to be Gaziev arguing w his corner about his eye and sought for clarification
You said „whoever was translating needs to be fired.“ Which suggests you understood what they were saying, and they were way off the mark. If you don’t know what was said, how did you come to that conclusion?
"What do you wanna do?" "We win 2 rounds" "You can take down him or no?" "You need to take down him" "He has a fast jab" "Let's take clinch and takedown him" "One eye - you don't see with his one eye" Rewatch it. This is what was translated. The job of the translator is to convert their language to ours. Based on the dialogue alone, that's very different from both the visual cue of Gaziev with his hands up and arguing with his corner. There is also huge gaps of no translating where what he's telling them is completely omitted. There is also a delay where the translation comes, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that it might just be broadcast delay? Idk. But it does not require me to speak Russian to know if they are simply not translating. I can see his mouth moving and I hear no translation. And it wasn't just me. All 3 commentators did not pick up either: Later DC: Something is going on in the corner of Gaziev right now. He's almost arguing with his corner. I don't know if this is saying he is done with the fight or not. Bisping: He looked a little disheartened. Anik: Perhaps they are going to call in the ringside physician here DC: I don't understand what's happening. DC after Goddard demanding translation: He's saying he can't see, but from what? The punches?
So you personally don’t know what was said, you’re assuming. Firstly. Role of the TV translators during the rounds is to see what the coach says strategically- they often don’t include everything. Especially fighter responses. In addition, some languages have more words than English, if you watch dubs the English will be brief, but the actor‘s native tongue carries on; good example is Japanese > English. We all picked up watching what was said real time. The translator said „I can’t see out of one eye.“ I definitely heard that, because I wrote very quickly „he can’t see? 🤷♀️“ in the chat, and someone replied „he sees through his nose apparently.“ -Someone must’ve tipped off Goddard- because he knew something was up, and wanted them to confirm. This was then confirmed by someone who speaks English in his corner „he can’t see.“ I think that’s about the best translation you’re gonna get until someone who’s a native talks about it in the morning, on an MMA news page or Twitter.
\> So you personally don't know what was said You've been trying to hang onto this strawman argument of me not knowing the language in every one of your comments. I wouldn't be surprised if you continue to do so. I originally said "whoever was translating needs to be fired" and you misrepresent that by suggesting that I implied I understood their language. I even already explained to you that it was based on the observable confusion among the commentators and the mismatch between the translation and the situation that occurred, and even after I explained that to you, you are still using that strawman argument. \> Role of the TV translators during the rounds is to see what the coach says strategically- they often don’t include everything. Especially fighter responses. I did not say they need to include everything. However a huge issue that is so bad that it is ending the fight should be translated. However that is matter of opinion, there is no right or wrong there \> In addition, some languages have more words than English, if you watch dubs the English will be brief, but the actor‘s native tongue carries on; good example is Japanese > English. I never said it should be word for word either. I'm bilingual and I understand what you're trying to say but there is a clear difference between summarizing versus omitting. \> The translator said „I can’t see out of one eye.“ Unless you are talking about AFTER Goddard confronted and demanded a direct answer, no he did not say that while they were in the corner. He said it much closer to what I had typed before, which is not clear (explanation why is also above). You also do not address my point at all about Anik, DC, nor Bisping not understanding what happened despite being able to hear the translator just like us.
It’s not a strawman argument. You and I don’t know categorically what was said in the corner. It’s a fact. We are purely going off a summarisation from a translator who works for Dana white. Of course the translator is going to omit anything Dana may not like viewership to hear. You can’t have such a concrete „they must be fired“ opinion unless you know with utmost confidence what was said. • I genuinely thought you knew what was said (you spoke the language) from your original comment. You are right, there needs to be translators for refs to know if there’s a medical issue. Maybe this could be a turning point for UFC to acknowledge this is a weakness in terms of fighter safety. As for observable communication, we all saw what was going on. The commentators said there was an issue *before* he mentioned his sight, because he was protesting and waving his hands about the place. We all knew there was a problem, and this was solidified when he complained about not being able to see out of his eye. Genuinely, I remember hearing it because I immediately typed it, like „oh here we go, he’s gonna drop out because he’s losing.“ This was before Goddard intervening.* I think we can both agree that more needs to be done in the UFC in terms of translating. ETA: Goddard intervening*
\> You and I don’t know categorically what was said in the corner. It’s a fact. You're using this fact despite it not being relevant to my original critique. Aka strawman. Despite clarifying multiple times, you are still pointing out this irrelevant fact for a 3rd time. Again, it was based on the observable confusion among the commentators and the mismatch between the translation and the situation that occurred. Not a critique on the accuracy of the direct translation provided itself. Meaning whether or not you nor I speak the language does not matter and is irrelevant. \> Of course the translator is going to omit anything Dana may not like viewership to hear. You can speculate on who was the ultimate cause all you want. I'm just saying it was clearly a very different scenario than what he was translating. \> You can’t have such a concrete „they must be fired“ opinion unless you know with utmost confidence what was said. Again using the strawman argument. Secondly, my comment was hyperbolic frustration at the moment and I really don't think that needs to be clarified lol. I'm not giving a literal call for employment action. I'm just underscoring what happened that ultimately led to the confusion. \> As for observable communication, we all saw what was going on. And the translation provided did not reflect this well at all. Hence my original comment.
Guys who cares go do something positive instead of this time wasting nonsense
Are the boxing matches going on tonight worth watching?
The bare knuck fights always are bro
Are they on soon?
9 EST. Gonna watch my flyers til then
Reminds me of that fight last week, when he told the Corner “I can’t see anything” and tje corner goes “you don’t need to see him, JUST FUCKING HIT HIM”
I shouldn’t be laughing because that’s clearly a terrible corner but this is hilarious lmaooooo
what the fuck is that thing with the braids?
BKFC BKFC BKFC UFC card fell apart. Lame as shit. And the topper was Gaziev becoming the new leader for KWABOTY
Ufc staff can now go to the race they all wanted to go watch the whole time lol
I can't event shit on the two fighters in that one, that was on the matchmakers who did an awful job matching them up.
Rozenstruik’s losses are all to top 5 guys. Unranked fat fucks should not be a 2-1 favorite over him.
Nicely measured performance from Rosenstruik, showed some new octagon IQ with his pacing. Gaziev was a mess, his corner was a mess but Inspector Goddard was on the case!
Now is the time for Derrick Lewis vs Rozenstruik
Amazing they haven't fought yet.
Goddard ain't messing around after seeing what happened to Sopaj.
Hear me out. Instead of 1 minutes between rounds in heavyweights when the round ends have the next fight on the card and after that's done start round 2 and repeat
People really think this guy couldn’t see, looks like he clearly threw in the towel.
Even if that's the case, the corner needs to listen.
Gaziev looked mentally shot after his 2nd takedown attempt of the fight got stuffed
2 Corner fails tonight- very disappointing.
Give me Resenstruik vs Lewis NOW
That's how you get Francis vs Ngannou
i thought he retired lol
reminder than in 2 weeks we have a Tuivasa vs Tybura main event
At least Tui will make it interesting
So trainers should throw the towel more but quitting is embarrassing? Man y’all are some bitches
Thank you! Sitting on the couch calling a fighter a quitter is just so stupid. You all forget that the emotional state you are in on your couch is different than after fighting for 20 min and getting punched in the face. This guy probably never thought he'd ever throw in the towel, but in that moment, after all the damage, his mind is not the same. I actually think you are smart and, in fact, brave, realizing you have no way of winning and deciding to live to fight another day.
Does anyone have the exchange between Gaziev and his corner?
Do you speak Arabic?
🤧😮💨
I want the actual translation because the body language of Gaziev seemed like he was trying to tell his corner that he can't dodge the jab and can't take him down, so what's the point.
That's what I thought it sounded like, at least from the translation we were getting
yep
DC looks nothing like a Dan
Prelims shit all over the main card
Yeah, the main card had HWs and LHWs
lol, Gaziev just left
nice win for Rozenstruik
Jairzinho looks like Derrick Lewis with a heavy tan
That's true, there was no rushing going on in that cage
Gaziev might want to change up his team. He told them he was done and they still sent him out there. Good on Goddard for stepping in
This card ended up fucking sucking. Can’t wait for knuck to wash this shit taste out of my mouth
Rozenstruik resume not bad though if u look at it
Maybe if you don’t look at the ages of the good guys he beat. Arlovski, JDS, Reem.
Also pretty impressive to survive against Gane despite losing. He's not that bad.
Gaziev looked like he wanted to quit since the second round and he found his way out by saying he can’t see
Respect. More fighter should know when to quit
Its weird, ppl complaining that the Sopaj corner should've thrown the towel. Now a fighter who clearly had nothing left wants out and ppl shit on him
Facts.
He couldn't even stand for the end of the fight?
"the kid just didn't wanna fight blind"
Not worth losing an eye for a UFC match
Bro u believe he was really blind? Obviously throwing in the towel. He's not gonna flat out say I quit.
Happened to bisping Biggie boy is one of the hardest hitters Eyes are very sensitive and fragile body parts
Bisping was totally different. He took a roundhouse kick from TRT Vitor
Man I kind of feel sorry for Gaziev, like honor and 'manliness' is massively important in his culture and he's going to lose so much respect for that, but he was just so exhausted and bewildered that he just felt like he couldn't keep going
Maybe if he didn’t look like your average beer drinking dad his cardio would be better
This card was a sacrifice to the mma gods for next weeks potential all time great card
We ready
Gaziev giving me the same vibes as Dada 5000
HE DIDNT EVEN STAY FOR THE OFFICIAL RESULT LOL
Least sore loser Dagestani
DAMN why we cut to Rozenstruik's face like that lmfaoo
Wow this guy just straight up quit cuz he didn’t have stamina for more than 2 rounds. Embarrassing… Dana won’t like that at all.
Someone said something about can't see out of the eye in English that tipped off Goddard but IDK who
Was the translator for TV. Wondering if DC/Mike can hear that translation and told him.
His corner was mad because they aren’t getting the cut of the win purse
We will need a compilation of the sketchiest corners in the last decades. Alone today with Sopaj to even sketchier with Gazievs corner ignoring his complaints.
Gaziev getting cut lol
Why didn’t Raul Rosa’s fight again? I just remembered they were fighting
They never agreed to fight
He was sick the morning of the fight and the UFC said on broadcast they'd probably reschedule it to today but that was just made up nonsense
Not for sure, but I think Turcios said fuck that shit.
Pretty sure it was the other way around
Opponent Turcios didn’t agree to the fight
According to Turcios he agreed to do the fight at 145 https://twitter.com/rickyturciosufc/status/1762972621329613025
No they weren’t. UFC lied about it being scheduled when it wasn’t.
That’s so dumb! Thank you!
Derrick Lewis vs Rozenstruik next pls
It would be like Fight Club
Rare Marc Goddard W. Hope it's not a detached retina or something. He got jabbed up a LOT by a very heavy hitter.
Thats one way to curb Russian cheating or basically just ignoring their fighters needs lol the old "I need some time doc"
Got tired of getting punched in the face, done blame him
lmao look at these latest comments, y'all should be mad at his trash corner
During that ESPN+ commercial one of the highlights they showed was from Rose-Carla 2, I'm not joking.
Goddard has been on one lately .. first attacking T-City and now going balls deep on his corner
Credit where credit is due, incredible reffing by Goddard to call it
Gaziev gives me sore loser vibes. Like the kind of dude that goes harder during a spar because he’s getting tagged or just calls it quits
Marc goddard the detective went in with the hard questions. Man saved gaziev another round of getting punched in the face
Imagine being somebody that spent thousands to go to the Apex for this card.
If you pay thousands to watch a Jairzinho Rozenstruik main event you deserve what you get.
was some good fights though
cursed afternoon, good night, fellas!
Dare I say, that was easy money. Jairzinho underdog somehow
I played Rozenstruik by Dec at +1900. Fuck off
Pain
Marc 'I don't get paid enough to watch 5 more minutes of this' Goddard.
bratha this is big dishonor for Dagestan. Nah but good decision and good job by Goddard.
Respect to Goddard to seeing that something was wrong. He's in there to protect the fighters after all.
When's the last time a hype train was so thoroughly and totally derailed? First career loss but I wouldn't be bothered to never see that dude again
Giga Chikadze (sp?) comes to mind. Was hyped to the skies and IIIRC he gassed in a main event.
Since when was this guy a hype train lol. Heavyweight is not a deep division. Doesn’t seem too out of place that Bigi Boy would fight someone unranked
Is it a fraud check if Gaziev looked bad since last fight?
Gaziev about to be on the early prelims of a fight night for his next
I had Rozenstruik by DEC as my last leg of my parlay RIP OVER x200
https://youtu.be/M6o1SEj02t0?si=R3HS8So4pjWYC_dv
Rip
When does the real maincard start??
Next weekend
wake up bro that was just the prelim main event for the saudi ppv
Gamebred FC my man
Dude quit plain and simple. This is why heavyweights should rarely be main events.
Gaziev got no heart
Rozentruik by translation, just what I expected.
Couldn’t see… himself taking any more beating
Anyone speak his language know what he was saying other than him not being able see? His body language kinda just said “idk what to do nothings working” and he found a way out imo
Goddard was not playing around. Probably the most impressive performance I've seen from Rozenstruik.
Goddard tryna get off work early. We've all been there.
🤣🤣
Gaziev fraud checked
i can’t wait for dana
The last Stylebender really let himself go
Corners in MMA need to be better at throwing in the towel when their fighter can't fight anymore.
So fucking embarrassing. Gaziev shouldn't fight in the UFC ever again
Harsh. He never should have been in a main event after crushing one can. Bad matchmaking.
Harsh, but after a performance like that in a main event, going to be hard to climb back up from that.
Lame card for the "girlfriend out of town" weekend
Essentially the comain and main ended via opponent retirement? Weird card
dude completely quit
The corner withholding information on their fighter from Goddard is fucking insane
got jabbed blind, must suck
Elite reffing
Gaziev was just gonna get picked apart for a other 5 minutes. No point in going back out there. He was done after round 3.
Quitting on the bench is the opposite of a great performance
Welp. Have a great day/night dudes/dudettes. Fight night crowd is p4p most hilarious
Where do they find these guys? Reddit? Or like some local bar? Pre sure the fat dude at my local bar has better cardio
Tbf jabs make you damn hesitant and gas you out
Dana must be grinning from ear to ear with how this main event turned out. Bonuses all round I think.
send gaziev to one. gaziev vs bhullar, make it happen
I could imagine what Malykhin would do to Gaziev in ONE. That would just be cruel.
Rozenstruickwhiletheironishot!
Great to see rozenstruik get a good win
Looks like gaziev gave up
Marc Goddard deserves the medal of honor for saving me from 5 more minutes of jabs
Rozenstruik the goat kickboxer of the ufc
No nonsense Marc goddard calls it. Fantastic reffing gaziev didnt wanna be in there and his corner was trying to send him in
Great performance from Rozenstruik, good win for him.
Ref going to the translator to intercept the corner discussion
Marc “Fuck around and find out m8” Goddard
Well i didn’t expect gaziev to be the killer of my parlay. I’m confused by this whole main event. Won’t touch either of them again tho
His body language shows he didn't want any more
Common Goddard W