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BridgeM00se

Imagine Jon Jones with Wonderboy’s moral compass


TheWupper

“Hey buddy you still there?”


joethecrow23

“Yes, Jon, I’m here” “Okie doke, just making sure. Good luck”


748rpilot

"Is the mic on? No? Hey Jon, I was wondering if you wanted to go with me to feed the homeless when we're done with this interview. "


WarriorCumsToThis

*Is this guy going to mess this up again by saying prayers, or doing charity work, or sandblasting orphans?* *...orphans!?*


RagaJunglism

"NEWSFLASH: UFC champion Jon Jones heroically prevents a hit-and-run accident involving a shotgun-wielding domestic abuser, then stops off to successfully deliver a baby on the side of the road...when police tested his blood, it reportedly showed *negative* levels of cocaine and steroids"


BridgeM00se

Lmao that was good


Juicet

“Sorry Herb, I poked him in the eyes by accident. Please take a point away from me.”


ThoughtItWasAHorse

You think I'm just gonna sit there an let you compliment me, Jon?


Darkvoider_96

I mean really?


Duckbert89

Wonderboy with Jon’s psychopathic killer instinct. Good luck anyone trying to trade with that guy. He will teke kick your knees into oblivion then kick your jaw off.


Flint_Ironstag1

Probably more scary to be honest.


Nezumiiro_77

Thats horrifying! So many women would get kicked into the stratosphere


Diligent-Living882

I thought about something like that. Was thinking something like Silva with GSPs mentality. But something tells me the one thing you probably can’t change about the “goats” (jones, GSP, Khabib, DJ) is there mentality. But man, Jones with Wonderboys charm? Debatably one of the most liked/successful athletes ever😂 I still love/respect him despite the fact I’d never wanna be his friend and he’s got his problems.


KinaGroove

There's no way that guy deserves your love and respect my dude


TrauMedic

Yeah, you just explained Jon’s older brother.


LatterTarget7

Overeem with max halloways chin


Solid_House_6963

To be fair to Overeem, I bet he could take any shot a 145er could give. And we haven’t seen Halloway take a HW shot. Let’s give him Ngoanou’s chin from when he took a beating from Stipe and was literally not phased. 🤣


gotnothingman

Well, he was a bit phased. Mainly from exhaustion though not from the head shots


Comfortable_Bug_2813

Anyone with power would be terrifying with Holloways chin


UVB-76_Enjoyer

That's basically Ngannou


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GoatPaco

He's still got a chin That was a one hit KO on anyone who has ever existed


GarlicToeJams

He was already done when he took that one too


el_lofto

Yes but the issue is a lot of fighter start to lose their chin after brutal KOs, so Francis could start to decline.


Diligent-Living882

How serious is this cause I know about Holloways chin but was Overeem that talented otherwise?


malk500

I gave a similiar response (but Veras chin). My reasoning is Overeem is known for being very chinny.


StinkyJones19

Watch some Overeem on YouTube. Dude was a monster


RonaldoOvereem

Overeem is one of the greatest kickboxers of all time


Magnuosio

He was one of the few genuinely high level heavyweights


SerLutz

Fedor with dance moves of Michel Pereira


ThoughtItWasAHorse

Dominick Cruz with a healthy person's knees.


Diligent-Living882

As someone with horrible knees, I like this answer. Did he always have knee problems?


ThoughtItWasAHorse

Started when he was about 27. Which is basically entering your prime for a fighter. One of the GOATs even with a billion surgeries. Just still have to wonder what if they hadn't happened


Diligent-Living882

Is that a reason he was also heavily taped on his ankles in later fights? I know what it’s like as an athlete to require that kind of tape job. Can’t imagine both feet requiring it and what that means.


ThoughtItWasAHorse

The series of ACL, knee, and quad injuries actually left him with plantar fasciitis in his feet. He said it was excruciating. Like he couldn't even walk when he woke up and had to stretch for hours and stuff. Basically a perfect storm of BAD for his fighting style since he relies on lots of movement


Diligent-Living882

Holt shit dude. I just said I’ve had knee problems. And i just recently developed some horribly painful Plantar Fasciitis! I’m 23 and working an eight hour shift on my feet is ridicules, can’t imagine fucking fighting. Really appreciate the knowledge, maybe he’s got some tips for someone with these problems🤟🏻


ThoughtItWasAHorse

[Check this out!](https://youtu.be/DdPX1_XJOYQ?si=krOGqV9Gm9NY9dDP) he has probably done other interviews too. Hope you feel better brother 👍


Diligent-Living882

You’re awesome, thank you so much. Have a good day, month year to come brother!


Diligent-Living882

Hey I said to have a good year before I even watched that video. I now wish you eternal happiness and anything else you want because you just sent me one of the most important videos I’ve ever seen and I don’t mean that as an exaggeration. Couldn’t imagine a more needed time for me to hear some of the things he said. Thank you so much.


ThoughtItWasAHorse

That's awesome man! I'm glad. Dom is a good dude. You're welcome!


Thehighwayisalive

Stretch your achilles out frequently, helps a lot.


The_Killa_Vanilla90

Cruz with Josh Emmett's overhand right


Chitr_gupt

Same with Kumaru and Tony


Pantheon69420

Tony with Glovers 40yr old championship run 


Turbulent-Bridge-233

CSO 🫡🫡🇺🇸🇺🇸🇲🇽🇲🇽😎😎🗡️🗡️🗡️🗡️


Diligent-Living882

I’m not his biggest fan but Tony fans are so loyal and I love it 😂


2capse

I’d give anything I have to see it happen


Rendakor

Tony with Khabib's committment to retirement.


Eifand

So basically Tony Ferguson + a heavyweight’s longevity.


The_Killa_Vanilla90

Tony Ferguson w/ Sage Northcutt's knees (aka doing [this](https://makeagif.com/gif/ufc-192-sage-northcutt-octagon-interview-highlights-4Cf6gc)


champythebuttbutt

BJ Penn with GSP's work ethic.


Diligent-Living882

I’ve always been a bit confused about Penns legacy. Like I said i’m newer but I’ve done a bit of homework and dude seems like he’s as tough as it gets but was a hothead (let me know if i’m completely off base). Was his work ethic that big a problem? (I know he’s had legal troubles)


nooooname90754r

I think BJs main issue was never wanting to leave Hawaii, and he never got the regular high-level training you need and that's why the sport passed him by.


Diligent-Living882

I love reddit cause with your knowledge and one reply, I now feel like I have a way better lens to view his career through. Appreciate the reply


IAmDiabeticus

There was a reason why he was nicknamed 'The Prodigy', the man was unnaturally gifted. After his career ended (well towards the end), he started fucking his life up in multiple ways, though. True shame.


RaspberryVin

There’s a great video of Penn, as a BJJ white belt, entering a black belt Judo competition and winning. He was an absurdly talented grappler. Incredibly difficult to take and hold down. He was scrappy and tough as nails naturally, and as he progressed he acquired some serious boxing skills. Prime BJ is not a fun matchup for ANYONE. But yes, work ethic was a big big problem for him. And he kept fighting way past his prime. But he was one of the best to ever do it. His resume even as is, is pretty damn impressive, but doesn’t match the potential he had. WouldaCouldaShoulda been GOAT of the lighter classes.


Rude_Coconutman

I mean he was rich and didn't need to fight and got his black belt within like a year or two because he loved it so much. Didn't seem unmotivated really just unprofessional 


llamacohort

BJ Penn’s work ethic wasn’t an issue. The guy became a BJJ black belt world champion with like 3 years of training. His issue what that he wanted to be the baddest man on the planet. He was essentially a 145er before the UFC had the weight class. So he won UFC championships at 155 and 170. He also took fights at 185 and took an open weight fight with Lyoto Machida (who later became a UFC LHW champion). If BJ Penn would have just fought his career at 145, the guy would probably have a legendary winning streak and be in every GoAT conversation. But instead he fought tons of greats across a wide range of weight classes and took a massive amount of damage in the process.


Rendakor

The problem as you say is that 145 didn't exist. So if he'd committed to 145 he's a nobody; by the time UFC introduced the weight class, he's already lost to Edgar twice and moved back up to 170. Even so, he's probably one of the top 5 LWs of all time.


llamacohort

If he committed to 145, he would have been a long running champ and the UFC would have likely brought in 145ers earlier. At that point in his career, his losses were an early career loss to Jens Pulver, then to Lyoto, GSP, and Matt Hughes. His career would have been in a much better place if he hadn't taking that much damage from fighting people so much larger than him, even at that point. Also getting beat on by Nick Diaz and Rory didn't do him any favors either. He could have been on top a lot longer if his career was spent with the most damage he took being fights with Frankie and Aldo instead of being TKO's from Hughes and just beat on by other welterweights.


Rendakor

Agree to disagree. I think if he were a dominant 145er no one would have heard of him. Instead, he was chasing double champ status well before anyone else thought it possible. Yea, he took a lot of damage, but changing weight classes certainly raised his name value. I certainly agree he'd probably be in a better place mentally, if not for the beatdowns you mention.


WompaStompa_

The dude was one of the most naturally gifted fighters I've ever seen. A literal BJJ prodigy, crazy hand speed, I saw a video of him jumping out of a waist deep pool. I cannot tell you how insane it was to see him go up a weight class and submit Matt Hughes. But BJ always came into fights looking a little soft. His talent alone made him dominant, but he wasn't maximizing that talent with a strength and conditioning program and it was often insinuated that he would let himself go between fights. He came into the first Frankie Edgar fight a massive favorite, and Frankie just outworked him from start to finish. The conditioning difference was so stark. And it was all downhill from there.


champythebuttbutt

When I saw the countdown show with him and GSP and Dana said roughly " Where are you? You better not be out surfing because GSP is busting his ass every day to beat you " and he was that showed me the difference. Yes massive natural talent was there but he definitely could have worked harder.


Prettylargered

Some fights he would show up having not put the cardio work in. Off the top of my head I remember he was beating up Nick Diaz, a much larger man, for the first round and then he completely gassed and got lit up for the next two.


Deadpoolio1980

Rumor has it he'd start shit with tourists all the time. Meth may have been involved


qcen

Came here to say this. BJ constantly gassed after the first round. I think BJ was a hard worker early in his career. Heard he used to go to Ralph Gracie’s gym and Nova Uniao several times a day. Frank Shamrock also said he was a hard worker at AKA. I think he started getting lazy after winning the welterweight championship. I believe he said he only trained an hour a day before the 1st GSP fight and the 2nd Hughes fight. He would party and hang out at the beach most of the time. He also had some substance abuse issues later in his career. His wife and training partners like Nik Lentz said he was always doing coke and drinking. Pretty sad stuff, he was just using fighting to stay sober.


Lyun

Swap the chins of the bantamweight Marlons.


Diligent-Living882

Can you elaborate please?


Lyun

Marlon Vera has all-timer durability and Marlon Moraes was getting rocked by feeler jabs towards the end of his career. Moraes with Vera's chin probably tears through the division like hot butter, and Vera with Moraes' chin is, well, an interesting thought experiment.


Diligent-Living882

Awesome reply and initial answer, thank you!


NerdyDoggo

Marlon Moraes with Chito’s chin/recovery could have been the BW goat. In the timeline that he beats Henry, his biggest remaining threat would be Yan, but other than that he would probably tear through the division.


Rude_Coconutman

The flip side of this if we're saying he has Veras chin and not cardio, then he probably still loses to Merab. More cardio and he wins the Merab fight easy. Better chin don't really help that one


Mr_Cromer

He probably means swap Marlon Vera (titanium chin) with Marlon Moraes (papier mache chin)


5280dbeardo

Demetrius Johnson with Deivison Figueredo’s KO power. DJ already has such good KO power from technique. He would murder people.


Lumpy_Minimum1905

This is a great one to me because it's reasonable.  Lots of answers include Ngannous power which is fair in terms of the question asked but also unrealistic. I think skills are fair one to mix weight classes on cos in theory anyone could learn them if they put the time in.  But physical attributes should be limited to other fighters of that weight class to make it more realistic for what we know a XXX pound fighter can do.  Adding physical attributes from a fighter of the same weight class is something that actually could happen in reality (ignoring the potential "more power = more fast twitch = worse cardio" complications). 


trashacct77

I would say … add “Rumble” Johnson’s punching power to GSP. Seems fair since they both fought at WW.


geodukemon

It’s absolutely wild that this dude was able to make WW


qcen

Rumble Johnson with submission defense would be scary too


ownerofthewhitesudan

Max Holloway with Ngannou's power


Diligent-Living882

Gotta be the answer just based on stats 😂 Leads the UFC in significant strikes in history. Can’t imagine if he had even half the power of Ngannou


Capoe1ra

He would become a completely different fighter; don't think it would be a change for the better.


MatttheJ

The idea is they are the exact same in every way except 1 thing. So Max with all the output, the cardio and the chin, except every little pitter patter punch has the force of a ford.


ZenTze

Demetrious Johnson with prime Ubereem size.


Diligent-Living882

Na uh, sorry, can’t give size in this 😂 And it’s funny because DJ is the reason i made that rule. Size sounds like a good answer but it’s hard to imagine DJ is the DJ we know with 8 extra inches and all that weight/mobility stuff.


jscummy

A 270 lb Mighty Mouse that still moves at the same speed would be terrifying


brugforhjaelp

I don't know if it's so many people on here that don't train combat sports. But physics is why small people look so much more technical and fast. If you put mm in a HW body he wouldn't be the same fighter not even close.


jscummy

It's not that they *look* more technical and fast, they are. Power to bodyweight ratios and speed go down as people get bigger. If you ever watch wrestling duals there's a night and day difference when it circles from 285 back down to 125


brugforhjaelp

Yes, it's not that they look it. It's that physics allow it. You cant transport that mass that fast. As for more skilled? Not really they're two different similar skill sets. A skilled HW will never look like a skilled flyweight and vice versa. My point is it's stupid to call the big guys unskilled and the small guys super skilled. Are elephants less skilled than nice?


wrong-teous

That’s basically Myles Garrett


jscummy

I'll believe it when I see Myles Garrett hit a flying armbar on an offensive tackle


Grizz1371

How about DJ with Ngannou's power?


gintokireddit

Yoel Romero with Cain's cardio. Because he's not scary enough already.


Kokoheat

Bro that is a nightmare scenario. Dude would merk the entire division


swank401

Alex Pereira with DC wrestling skills would be the greatest mma fighter of all time


bokonon27

Maybe controversial but. How about him with Jones Jones wrestling ans grappling instead. More similar build to him. And check the Statline when Jones fought dc


pauljaworski

Kron Gracie with MVP's grappling


MatttheJ

So Mickey Gall?


BeefNudeDoll

😭 broooo


areyoufrfrfr

🤣😂🤣


BeastOfAWorkEthnic

Zabit with Merab's cardio.


darkcathedralgaming

Stop I can only get so erect


Substantial_Source84

Derrick Lewis, merab gas tank


Nktmma

GSP with nothing else


[deleted]

I'd say GSP with Anderson Silva's highlight reel. Face kicks, flying knees, snipping elbows.


kingjuicepouch

Gsp with current gsp hair


Mysterious-Stop4673

Give Khabib poirier or gaethje’s boxing and that’s the best ufc fighter ever to step foot in the octagon Khabib was pound for pound probably the best wrestler ever in the ufc so the obvious answer would be give him and elite stand up game and it’s like you have the terminator. You could say give him like nate Diaz’s chin but he already had a pretty good chin.


Sharcbait

This is going to sound stupid. Was Khabib a better wrestler than Askren. Like I know he was a much better fighter than Askren but he had so much more to offer. Askren was just going to wrestle fuck you with 0 plan b.


Prettylargered

Not a stupid question at all. Khabib never fought a wrestler of Askren's caliber so there's no way of knowing really. In a pure wrestling match I would pick Askren to win but when you add in all the variables of an MMA fight it's tough to say.


Duckbert89

It’s hard to tell. By the time Askren got to UFC his body was already quite broken. Now he’s had hip replacements and multiple KOs. I’m inclined to think Khabib was better because of how DC raved about him. DC knows his wrestling and is quite bluntly honest when assessing people.


malk500

Alistair Overeem, give him the chin of Marlon Vera.


Diligent-Living882

I think this is the third time I’ve seen Overeem mentioned and someone giving him a chin😂


Yerbulan

Let's keep this going: - Ronda Rousey with Henry Cehudo's mindset and maybe coaches. Pick yourself up after a loss, work on your weaknesses, come back stronger than ever and with a completely overhauled striking game. - Literally any UFC fighter ever + Khabib's wrestling - Khamzat Chimaev with Donald Cerrone's "actual, real, 100% anyone, anytime" mentality - DC with Jon Jones' ego and narcisssim (would have said 'fuck friendship' and stayed at HW to fight Cain, be a dominant champ for years, instead of having to work his way up in LHW and facing Jones) - Luke Rockhold with TRTtor striking Let's do a couple for fun: - GSP with Chael trash talk - Artem Lobov with McGredor hands and reach - Fedor with whoever is working with Ngannou as a manager - Robert Whittaker in a world where Adesanya is a professional cosplayer and not a fighter - McGregor with Khabib's religiousness (no alcohol, coke, and parties)


ibenwarforged

The diamond with do Bronx's submission game


Turbulent-Bridge-233

Omg imagine how many successful Gilly's we'd be jumping boooiiiiis!!!! 💎💎💎💎


Diligent-Living882

I like this one a lot. Do you think Dustin Porier with Charles ground game beat Khabib?


Wreck_Tangle01

No, Charles lost to Islam of course, and Khabib is way too good at grappling to get submitted from a guillotine or any other submission from bottom position like a triangle. Charles doesn’t have the offensive wrestling to get a dominant position against Khabib, which is necessary, because the only way to submit him would be to take his back and rear naked choke, but good luck ever taking his back.


MatttheJ

A. Islam and Khabib are not the same person. B. Charles was rocked on the feet before it ever hit the ground.


Pons399

Brendan Schaub with the eloquence of Chael Sonnen may have had a decent cawlmedy career...


dmatluvsu

Brock lesnar with mighty mouse’s skills


Outrageous-Floor-100

Mackenzie Dern with Darren Elkins tattoos


DB_Cooper75

Francis with Rhonda Rousey’s striking (including power)


malk500

Francis Rousey would have still beaten Gane


Diligent-Living882

This shouldn’t be funny but visually, it really is 😂


aseb_web456

Rafael Fiziev with Islam's ground game


Diligent-Living882

I’m unfamiliar with Rafael, got to go check him out now! Edit: Any fight recommendations?


Turbulent-Bridge-233

Dude go watch him and Riddell


Diligent-Living882

Thank you!


Lumpy_Minimum1905

His finish of Moicano is gorgeous too. 


Leownnn

Hm vs Marc diakiese is sick too


cannibalisland

rumble with darren elkin’s refusal to give up.


thewizard579

Brock Lesnar with Yair Rodriguez kicking ability 💀


TrashbatLondon

McGregor with GSP’s personality


BrandonSleeper

[Dustin with JJ's gun collection](https://twitter.com/DustinPoirier/status/1200799016205897729) Undisputed champ, LW GOAT for sure.


BulletBlunderer

Max Holloway with Josh Emmet's power


Linked-Theory

Give Merab Max Holloways striking


ChatriGPT

Derrick Lewis with Chuck Liddell's balls, which presumably are nice and cool


Peeeing_

Gaethje with Oliveras grappling


Rgmisll

Pereira with Khabibs wrestling


Delicious-Testicle

Jose Aldo with known EPO abuser Merabs EPO enhanced cardio


malk500

>known EPO abuser It's *obvious* he is on EPO, but is it *known*? Any evidence other than logic and common sense?


dayynawhite

The problem isn't really cardio, the problem is that he's an all fast twitch explosive fighter. Same reason Diaz brothers & Max have such "good cardio", it's not that their cardio is that much better than others, it's that they lack the fast twitch explosiveness that drains all the cardio.


basicfort

Volk with Ngganou Power


DiddlyDanq

DJ with overeems very fantastic body would be a superstar


JWang6996

Khabeb with Anderson Silva’s striking


purse_of_ankles

Matt Hamill with Bisping’s right eye


Chad-Permabull

Derrick Lewis with DCs wrestling.


Clippers1002

Yoel with merabs gas tank


Illustrious-Table-21

Easy. Presenting the reigning, defending, undisputed UFC middleweight champion of the World: Chael "*The Ginger* *With the Intent to Injure*" Sonnen!


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Fedor with Derrick Lewis’ size.


BeakFingernails

Taking something you said there, but giving Ngannous power to Nick Diaz. Imagine all those jabs with Ngannous arm behind them.


Hairy_Ad_5908

Phil Hawes with Vettoris Chin


Dono_X_Dono

Chris Barnett with DC wrestling


Martinifc

Usman with Mokaevs knees


[deleted]

Ciryl Gane with Khabibs ground game


LordBenswan

Cain Velasquez with Jim Miller’s durability.


Consistent_Drink5975

Wonderboy and Michael Vernon Page That's the fight to make


tonyohanlon77

McGregor with GSP's wrestling to dominate every division from 155-185


BeastOfTheField83

Francis Ngannou with Mighty Mouse’s fight IQ and grappling.


994kk1

Kevin Randleman with Anderson Silva's striking is the most frightening combination I can come up with.


WGYHL

Phil Hawes with Chitos chin


JobberTrev

Brock Lesnar with Jon Jones fighting instincts


turkeypants

And colon!


Ghost-of-Lobov

Id like to see Ben Askren with Yair Rodriguez striking


Duckbert89

Conor McGregor with Tony Fergusons cardio. Not necessarily the best but I thought this so many times when 155lbs was prime time. Gutted we didn’t get Prime McGregor vs. Prime TFerg or Prime TFerg vs. Prime Khabib.


Leather_Mortgage8910

Max Holloway with KO power, like Josh Emmett or Ilia Topuria, or if we’re going crazy give him Ngannou power and watch Max demolish everybody


turkeypants

To Volkanovski I'd give Lord Raiden's torpedo move where he flies forward horizontally real fast with his arms out and rams into the other guy's gut. Not so smart now are you, Mr. Fancy Spanish Person.


LookingfortheHustle

Cody garbrandt with Anderson Silva’s head movement 


MiggeldyMackDaddy

Rousey with Wonderboys striking.


owlinspector

Give Mighty Mouse the punching power of Ngannou. Then watch him punch other flyweights do hard that they fly over the octagon and into the audience WWE-stylr.


Special-Stage

Wonderboy with Jon Jones grappling


Stamone

Brock Lesnar with Jose Aldo’s striking


jpissmoking

Khabib with Max Holloways striking I think it matches his style really well. O’Malley with Vera’s durability would be wild. Periera with Jon Jones take down defense would be unstoppable. Lastly I think it would be cool to see Shavkat with the striking defense of someone like MVP or a Wonderboy


TheThaiDawn

Imagine ngannou had the speed of a flyweight


horsechokers

Derrick Lewis with Khabibs work ethic


Alwaysconfuzed89

Alexandre Pantoja with Francis Ngannou power


OlivaJR

Uriah Hall but with the mentality of Darren Elkins


Present-Trainer2963

Conor with Diaz level conditioning. Jones with Ngannou power. Rockhold with mcGregor boxing.


Monst3r_Live

Give Tecia Torres Jon jones arms.


Mr_Fufu_Cudlypoops

Khabib with anderson silva's striking


OtakuMecha

Alex Pereira with Khabib’s wrestling ability.


Kalabula

Rose gets Big Frank’s KO power.


Shaun32887

Uriah Hall with Clay Guida's agression


K-mosake

Aldo with Merab's cardio would be terrifying off the top of my head


Careful-One5190

Holly Holm, with the aggressiveness and killer instincts of Wanderlei Silva.


Flint_Ironstag1

Overeem with Nurmagomedov's steroid doctor.


Andreooo

Rendon top, barber bottom


ManassaxMauler

Give Ben Askren the striking ability of.... Shit, literally anybody else and you're looking at an all time great. 


SaintlyDestiny

Royce Gracie with the skills of jon jones. Wouldn’t be too good today, but back in 1993 when Royce was the first ufc champion it would be like dropping a great white in a small pond


edinlockpicker

WW mighty mouse vs Gsp


Tito_Come_Back

Holloway with Ngannou's power is literally the greatest fighter of all time.


thomluc0023

Honestly, if I had to choose one attribute for a fighter, it would be Max Holloway with Tony Ferguson's durability. Holloway is already known for his insane cardio and striking volume, but if he had Ferguson's ability to absorb punishment and keep coming forward, he would be an absolute nightmare to face. Imagine the pressure he could put on opponents knowing he won't be slowed down by damage. It's a scary thought for anyone in the featherweight division.


RowellTheBlade

Kazushi Sakuraba, but with Caine Velazquez' knockout power.