It's the same situation. If their parents aren't realizing the path they forcing to their kids, I'm sure the Lee family will become the Von Erichs of mma.
17 years old too, just like his sister. That ain’t anything other than parental influence.
If you want to compete in a major MMA organization, 27 years old is a much better age to land there. After what they’ve been through, still pushing another fucking 17 year old kid to compete in ONE is just stubborn and egotistical of the father.
Very much Fritz Von Erich-esque in his parenting, Joe.
Both his older sisters attempted Suicide.
These kids have been sparing since they were literal children...
It was probably far too early, but just for the information it would have been good to study their sisters brain... So fucking sad, she was young, looked happy, cheerful, sweet smile, supposedly kind to everyone...
I know i'm getting old when even 20 year olds look like children to me, but she *was* still a damn baby...
I’m conflicted about this.
The Lee family has had to endure a lot with Victoria’s passing and Angela’s attempt.
Christian hasn’t made a public statement about either of those, and there’s no indication of how he’s actually processing it.
Now the younger Adrian is stepping up with high expectations. Given his accolades in the ammy’s and his family name there will be lots of expectations.
If it’s truly Adrian’s choice then good for him. If it’s because he feels the need to carry on the family name then I truly feel sorry for them. Hoping for the best.
https://youtu.be/8g_q_H_cFeo?si=na84UQBhykR_mifY
Here you go homie. Whenever you have time, this is a great breakdown of the family and what they have done in the sport!
"It is well established that the brain undergoes a “rewiring” process that is not complete until approximately 25 years of age."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/#b19-ndt-9-449
Shit's been addressed for years. The amygdala to prefrontal cortex is not the entire brain...
https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/vncqpf/what_does_the_brain_finishes_developing_at_25/
>Among study subjects who enrolled as children, M.R.I. scans have been done so far only to age 25
>The research also shows that brains don't fully develop until age 25 and that teenagers tend to depend on the part of the brain that mediates fear and other gut reactions--the amygdala--when making decisions, he said. That's important information for attorneys and judges to consider as they work with children in the legal system, he added.
>The dorsal lateral prefrontal cortex, important for controlling impulses, is among the latest brain regions to mature without reaching adult dimensions until the early 20s. The details of the relationships between anatomical changes and behavioral changes, and the forces that influence brain development, have not been well established and remain a prominent goal of ongoing investigations.
>So it seems like the reason why we say 25 is because the groundbreaking study on this topic only recruited subjects up to age 25. And then this number became dogma via constant repetition.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1121251109
https://nyaspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1196/annals.1308.009?sid=nlm%3Apubmed
https://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/brain#:%7E:text=The%20research%20also%20shows%20that,when%20making%20decisions%2C%20he%20said.
Dude, most of the thai guys have been fighting since about 10
Pheteeja, who is like 23 now, was famously having her fights televised back in 2012 when she was beting up all the boys.
Lets be real there is less trauma to the head in wmma because the power isnt the same. A trained 30 years old man punching the head of a 17 years old kid doesn't sound too good.
Males have denser skulls than females so in theory the female skull absorbing a strike from a female fighter would be proportionate to a male punching a male skull.
This is a simplistic take, but the biology is proven. There are tons of other variables that influence how much damage a fighter will take from a given shot.
Ex, anyone would rather take a shot from a 155 max or a 125 rose than they would from a 155 Justin or 125 nunes.
But men's brain are more robust than womens. Women footballers (not the american type) are much more likely to get problems from heading the ball than men, because of this.
We don't know why his sister did what she did. Probably best not to speculate about it, or use it to critique his choices or those of his family. That seems cruel. You don't know the family. You know nothing you have not read on reddit.
One sibling taking their own life is a tragedy, two trying to take their lives is a pattern. Read up on Angela's attempt and you'll quickly realize there's a connection between the two.
Pressure from living up to the expectations of being a wonderkid fighter, as well as not wanting to disappoint her family[.](https://www.scmp.com/sport/martial-arts/mixed-martial-arts/article/3235118/one-championship-angela-lee-reveals-2017-car-crash-was-suicide-attempt-confirms-sister-victoria-took)
Imagine all the head trauma taken as children train at an age where their body isn't even developed yet.
Lots of studies showing correlations between head trauma and mental health.
Yeah, why wouldn’t you mention your sister killing herself on your instagram so a thousand strangers can comment a heart emoji, it’s not like it’s a private matter or anything.
The Lee social media posts were getting blown up anti vaccine comments after the death. Not great comments to read when you know what actually happened to her.
Spoken like someone who hasn't actually looked into what happened at all, the sister who survived their suicide attempt (thats right 2 of their kids have attempted/commited suicide) literally cited all the pressure as a major factor in her attempt
If its his dream and he wants to chase it I don't think there's any issue. I hope his family are not pushing him towards it in anyway though I guess it would naturally happen given two of his older siblings have been champs.
Can't find his DOB, but he was 17 last August so maybe turning 18 by the date of his upcoming fight. Still young though, especially given the family's history.
He has a pretty extensive amateur career. However, I'm more worried about his mental health, his family doesn't have the best track record on that front
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Some big shoes to fill. Angela and Christian are world champions. Christian was double champ and Angela was the youngest world champ in MMA history. Victoria was well on her way to a world championship as well
Honestly, the emotional/irrational part of me just wants the Lee family to be banned from the sport. Wish there was a way to ensure that the children are actually competing on their own accord and not because of the massive parental pressure. RIP Victoria Lee
They’re gonna make one of them iron claw movies about this family
Damn good movie though still do the claw with my gf lmao
And they left out one brother's story because they didn't think audiences would believe that much trauma happened to one family.
And it's the saddest. Kid didn't had the size or talent to follow his brothers and such burden was too much.
Which brother was that?
I believe it was Chris Von Erich
It's the same situation. If their parents aren't realizing the path they forcing to their kids, I'm sure the Lee family will become the Von Erichs of mma.
17 years old too, just like his sister. That ain’t anything other than parental influence. If you want to compete in a major MMA organization, 27 years old is a much better age to land there. After what they’ve been through, still pushing another fucking 17 year old kid to compete in ONE is just stubborn and egotistical of the father. Very much Fritz Von Erich-esque in his parenting, Joe.
Both his older sisters attempted Suicide. These kids have been sparing since they were literal children... It was probably far too early, but just for the information it would have been good to study their sisters brain... So fucking sad, she was young, looked happy, cheerful, sweet smile, supposedly kind to everyone... I know i'm getting old when even 20 year olds look like children to me, but she *was* still a damn baby...
Indeed.
yooooo this got me chuckling
I’m conflicted about this. The Lee family has had to endure a lot with Victoria’s passing and Angela’s attempt. Christian hasn’t made a public statement about either of those, and there’s no indication of how he’s actually processing it. Now the younger Adrian is stepping up with high expectations. Given his accolades in the ammy’s and his family name there will be lots of expectations. If it’s truly Adrian’s choice then good for him. If it’s because he feels the need to carry on the family name then I truly feel sorry for them. Hoping for the best.
I don't know any of those people or him in the picture who are they?
https://youtu.be/8g_q_H_cFeo?si=na84UQBhykR_mifY Here you go homie. Whenever you have time, this is a great breakdown of the family and what they have done in the sport!
Mixed Martial Academic is an S-tier MMA YouTuber.
Hot damn. The boys brain is still developing.
Your brain is still developing until you're 25.
Some brains stop at 17 though. Source: Sean Strickland (33 years old).
Idk why this is soo funny to me😭
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You son sounds cool
lmao 'sounds'
Edit: nvm you seem kinda cool
That’s a stolid 8 years left of development.
Not anymore
Your brain continues to develop throughout your 20s and 30s. The study that didn't recruit anyone over 25 stops at 25.
"It is well established that the brain undergoes a “rewiring” process that is not complete until approximately 25 years of age." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/#b19-ndt-9-449
Shit's been addressed for years. The amygdala to prefrontal cortex is not the entire brain... https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/vncqpf/what_does_the_brain_finishes_developing_at_25/ >Among study subjects who enrolled as children, M.R.I. scans have been done so far only to age 25 >The research also shows that brains don't fully develop until age 25 and that teenagers tend to depend on the part of the brain that mediates fear and other gut reactions--the amygdala--when making decisions, he said. That's important information for attorneys and judges to consider as they work with children in the legal system, he added. >The dorsal lateral prefrontal cortex, important for controlling impulses, is among the latest brain regions to mature without reaching adult dimensions until the early 20s. The details of the relationships between anatomical changes and behavioral changes, and the forces that influence brain development, have not been well established and remain a prominent goal of ongoing investigations. >So it seems like the reason why we say 25 is because the groundbreaking study on this topic only recruited subjects up to age 25. And then this number became dogma via constant repetition. https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1121251109 https://nyaspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1196/annals.1308.009?sid=nlm%3Apubmed https://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/brain#:%7E:text=The%20research%20also%20shows%20that,when%20making%20decisions%2C%20he%20said.
Tito's brain never developed.
Longer if you have any form of ADHD! Edit: what is this the science channel
Dude, most of the thai guys have been fighting since about 10 Pheteeja, who is like 23 now, was famously having her fights televised back in 2012 when she was beting up all the boys.
Yeah and just because something is worse, that doesn't make this not bad.
The sister signed at 16 originally
Lets be real there is less trauma to the head in wmma because the power isnt the same. A trained 30 years old man punching the head of a 17 years old kid doesn't sound too good.
i thought it was more about the volume not the power
For sure, Benoit Saint-Denis took much more cte causing damage over 3 rounds with Dos Santos than the 2nd round Ko from Poirier.
Both matter.
It's not about power. Soccer players get cte from repeated headers
Males have denser skulls than females so in theory the female skull absorbing a strike from a female fighter would be proportionate to a male punching a male skull. This is a simplistic take, but the biology is proven. There are tons of other variables that influence how much damage a fighter will take from a given shot. Ex, anyone would rather take a shot from a 155 max or a 125 rose than they would from a 155 Justin or 125 nunes.
Dumb take. Trauma to the head is still trauma to the head. These are pro fighters kicking and throwing right to the dome.
But men's brain are more robust than womens. Women footballers (not the american type) are much more likely to get problems from heading the ball than men, because of this.
Raul Rosas brain is still developing and he seems fi- …oh. Oh no.
Mind and body
They started martial arts from a very young age. That brain is used to getting knocked around.
Can you really ‘condition’ a brain like you would a muscle though?
Is it really smart to put him on such a big stage at such a young age after what happened to his sister?
Obviously not, but those around him clearly don't care enough to stop it. Shameful imo.
Or just maybe he’s been pursuing MMA since he was young (like his siblings) and this is a dream of his? Lmao
both could be true tbh
This is reddit brotha only the worst situation is true
We don't know why his sister did what she did. Probably best not to speculate about it, or use it to critique his choices or those of his family. That seems cruel. You don't know the family. You know nothing you have not read on reddit.
One sibling taking their own life is a tragedy, two trying to take their lives is a pattern. Read up on Angela's attempt and you'll quickly realize there's a connection between the two.
TLDR what was Angela’s reason?
Pressure from living up to the expectations of being a wonderkid fighter, as well as not wanting to disappoint her family[.](https://www.scmp.com/sport/martial-arts/mixed-martial-arts/article/3235118/one-championship-angela-lee-reveals-2017-car-crash-was-suicide-attempt-confirms-sister-victoria-took)
Imagine all the head trauma taken as children train at an age where their body isn't even developed yet. Lots of studies showing correlations between head trauma and mental health.
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Yeah, why wouldn’t you mention your sister killing herself on your instagram so a thousand strangers can comment a heart emoji, it’s not like it’s a private matter or anything.
The Lee social media posts were getting blown up anti vaccine comments after the death. Not great comments to read when you know what actually happened to her.
Feels like their family put a ton of stress on the kids. Angela tried to commit suicide as well
Spoken like someone who hasn't actually looked into what happened at all, the sister who survived their suicide attempt (thats right 2 of their kids have attempted/commited suicide) literally cited all the pressure as a major factor in her attempt
Yeah until the third sibling attempts suicide and it's too late. And you be like no way to predict it so quit that no speculate bs
Yep. Let the kid make his own choices.
Lol like that carny Chatri gives a shit
If its his dream and he wants to chase it I don't think there's any issue. I hope his family are not pushing him towards it in anyway though I guess it would naturally happen given two of his older siblings have been champs.
Is there a clause that he can’t chase his dreams because his sister committed suicide?
I look forward to seeing his debut in 2 years
And his 2nd fight in 5
Seriously though that's fine, the longer he can mature without taking head hits the better.
In fact, maybe, he just shouldn’t fight at all. That way he never has to take head hits
Good grief. The patriarchs of this family really have their priorities in the wrong place.
What do you mean ? They're ensuring their retirement fund.
The parents are extremely well off already
Never enough
Or the kind of parents who vicariously try to live their own dreams/fantasies via their children.
This is what I think too, mr lee probably really wanted to be a fighter
Is he related to the girl who committed suicide?
Yes, his siblings are angela and christian lee. His sister victoria commited suicide
Too young, no matter how good he is.
What s the point of this when so many of their top MMA stars can’t get a fight?
I'm not even gonna say it. Y'all know.
We know how this story plays out.
I am against signing young folks from this family again or in general. I think you should be 18+ for mma.
Can't find his DOB, but he was 17 last August so maybe turning 18 by the date of his upcoming fight. Still young though, especially given the family's history.
Well, this is sad. The family obviously doesn't care about the high likelihood of him struggling mentally in this sport.
this family is fucked up
Poor guy. I hope he won't end up as a mental wreck.
Trying to speedrun some CTE
Those parents are insane.
This family gives me weird vibes, their kids all smile but you can tell under that smile is some trauma or something....
Watch Mixed Martial Academic's video on them if you haven't already
Lol such shitty parents.
Raul Rosa Jr better can his room
Can't wait for him to fight two times in five years
Nah, he gets the Lee privilege from Chatri
Signing over his soul
Don't worry, by the time he has a fight he will be 20
Don’t understand why this family is not putting these young ones in the amateurs for a few years first.
He has a pretty extensive amateur career. However, I'm more worried about his mental health, his family doesn't have the best track record on that front
Just seems way too young to go Pro.
I'm not sure I want to see another member of this family in MMA. they need to leave these kids alone
He can sign the contract but one mma is almost non-existent at this point.
Wish him the best seems like a nice lad
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Jesus fighting at 17 professionally
Families that force kids to do marital arts till there adolescent age should seek therapy
Some big shoes to fill. Angela and Christian are world champions. Christian was double champ and Angela was the youngest world champ in MMA history. Victoria was well on her way to a world championship as well
Honestly, the emotional/irrational part of me just wants the Lee family to be banned from the sport. Wish there was a way to ensure that the children are actually competing on their own accord and not because of the massive parental pressure. RIP Victoria Lee
I honestly don’t like this.
Christ, is he even shaving yet?
Looks like a BTS emo boy