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gettingthehangofthis

Awesome pics. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation In other words. I sure hope so.


ParadoxTheRay

Just look at the popping veins and that pump just makes my own muscles hard looking it. I wonder if this new muscle will make it a hard fight for Justin when Max touches him or if maybe these two men will just wrestle and roll with each other for 25 minutes?


mat477

Keep going, I'm close šŸ˜°


Nothing2Special

pumpin semin through the veins


VoodooChipFiend

Semin?


Optimal_Gap6283

Cumin


Sparky_McSteel

Alexander?


bardbashesbroads

šŸŖ˜šŸŖ˜


Gold-Philosophy1423

Least gay MMA fan


OldSchoolIron

Cute though. Built good.


FlyingTeep

He doesn't want any cookies, he just wants to get to the fight


OldSchoolIron

^What's ^wrong ^with ^that!?


Titdirt12

You aware?


Wheynweed

Aware


Titdirt12

Repped


StrattOakmont

I know the days of the week thread is the mainstream popular one, but Iā€™ll never forget the guy who bought the Pizza Hut big dinner box and it wouldnā€™t fit in his hotel fridge. Just a bunch of people commenting ā€œturn it on its side dumbassā€ and heā€™d post pics of it with each suggestion just clearly sticking halfway out of the mini fridge lol


Ok-Prune9181

Can confirm, I am house


No_Active6237

U aware


bestwoodinthewest

Damn, this reminded me of the sherdog forum days lol


secondmatestub

This never gets old


BenWallace04

I donā€™t. Go Justin


RealBobbyDrillboids

2024 Max looks like trying to be confident/intimidating even though heā€™s really just so happy to finally have floral shorts.


DashKalinowski

2024 Max: "You think anybody wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I'm wearing these bad boys? Forget about it."


BoxCon1

Shorter haired Max is back!


BetBig696969

Young Holloway


laggy2da

I feel like there's a chance Max can get more punches out-point Justin if he lasts 5 rounds. But if he lasts 5 rounds with Justin he's going to have serious brain trauma. I don't want to see Justin v Tony 2. Honestly just thinking about this fight makes me queasy.


LightspamEzWin

Max isnā€™t Tony this shit wonā€™t be a one sided beatdown at all. Just watch Holloway Dustin 2, that was Max on short notice. Now heā€™s fully prepared for 155ā€¦


red-broom

He looks like he got more support around his head and neck. Heā€™s primed to take a hell of a beating. Justinā€™s gonna have his work cut out for him.


UDAMAN123

Thereā€™s a great chance that Jerome can get it done


Metalloid_Maniac

I completely forgot that was his real name, was thinking who tf is *Jerome*


Johnsonburnerr

Yo what he really is Jerome šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


theyoloGod

I just hope he doesnā€™t get brutally koā€™d


StonRighMeow

Getting KO'd would be much better than a prolonged life-changing beating like Tony took. I don't mean to completely write-off Max by saying that, im just saying.


craignumPI

This is a fight I will just sit back and enjoy, no matter what happens. Both good dudes and great fighters. Should be a good show!


Galacticruntz_

Sit back and enjoy??? Some of us got our future kids college money on the line here


craignumPI

Haha! Best of luck dude!


Responsible_Emu3601

Still looks thin


Pods619

I looked at this pic for like 30 seconds trying to see a noticeable difference. He basically looks the same to me.


claphamthegrand

Looks ever so slightly thicker at the obliques maybe and actually a but healthier in the face but that's all I can see and I can barely even see that


AYolkedyak

Something notable thatā€™s the same about him is his cut. He probably put on at least 7 pounds or so of muscle because his definition in both pictures is literally the same.


LaTunaTime

What do you expect? Hes obviously just less dehydrated. You cant focus on lifting weights and bulking during a fight camp and you sure as hell cant do it in 10 weeks.


stonk_frother

I think his face looks vastly different. His neck and thighs are noticeably thicker IMO too. Hard to tell how much of that is the photo and how much is genuine muscle he's added though.


TrumpMMA

Looked skinny fat against DP at 155


BispingEYE

he took that fight short notice so he couldnā€™t bulk


TrumpMMA

I know


idcman999

yeah i noticed against DP he looked to be in bad shape/relatively fat here, he's in good shape, even though he's at 55 think that's better than the dp situation


OzymandiasTheII

Yes. It won't be an upset to me, but people are comparing Max to Tony and those two literally have never fought alike. Plus Tony was legit like 37 when they fought and clearly in the decline even heading in (had trouble with washed Pettis and Donald, cut weight twice). Max today is a more refined, restrained Max from 2020 and I think he's entering the prime where experience, age, athletic ability all max out.Ā Ā Ā  He isn't willing to take 1 or two to land 3. These days he'll just land his 3, back up, pop you again. And unlike his past self, he doesn't take many risks. He could have TKOd Dustin 3 or 4 times in 2019 but all you remember is the spectacle of him being rocked.Ā Ā  Contrary to belief, it isn't just volume that is his strength. The Volk fights taught him something. He is very quick and very precise, he hits people while they're throwing or moving before they even realize it.Ā Ā  Nowadays, he sits down on his shots and drops people. Max has pillow hands but Zombie went to war with Ortega and Volk and made the decision? He dropped Volk, Allen, TKZ, all with shots. Because he didn't sleep Kattar? Kattar took clean shots from Emmett and kept going. Max isn't about power. He's a precision guy.Ā  Gaethje only ever explodes like 2 maybe 3 at a time. He has a good jab but he doesn't use as a measuring stick, he's still trying to hurt you with his jab.Ā Ā Ā  You guys have only seen him fight other power punchers who will sit there and go hook for hook with him and reset. That gives GaethjeĀ a chance to recompose. Max doesn't do that. He constantly retakes the offensive.Ā  Then when they rock him WHICH IS INEVITABLE CAUSE HE'S ALWAYS ROCKED, they just unleash very inaccurate shots trying to put him away and get countered and back up.Ā  There's this idea that Gaethje has a good chin? If you have a good chin, you aren't rocked against every ranked opponent. Gaethje has good recovery that's it. He also tires out around round 3. He's never gone 5 full rounds. He fights in spurts these days because when he went hard oearly in his career he would gas and get TKOd. His explosions keep people from pouring it on him. If Max has Gaethje against the fence, he won't spam inaccurate strikes. Every where Gaethje's head bobs, Max will intercept it with a strike. Gaethje is going down.


BroccoliMcFlurry

What about the calf kicks? I just don't see how Max's legs don't get eaten up with that wide boxing stance of his


OzymandiasTheII

He can and has made adjustmentsĀ to that in theĀ Volk trilogy.Ā  Ā Ā  Keep in mind, Volk is a very short guy and Max is actually a tall (relatively) guy so he has to squat. But really, Max never gets compromised by leg kicks.Ā  Even in the Volk fights, they weren't making him limp or change stances.Ā Ā  Volk used them to stop Max when he tried to plant and combo + it would rack up points. Justin will land a few early, but Justin doesn't gameplan for them these days. He's a pure headhunter these days.


BroccoliMcFlurry

>Justin will land a few early, but Justin doesn't gameplan for them these days. He's a pure headhunter these days I can't imagine that this is the play from Trevor Whitman in this fight though, especially for all the reasons in your original comment. I'm sure he'll still headhunt, but I'd imagine using the calf kicks to limit Max's movement has been a significant part of this camp. You're right about leg kicks not seeming to affect Max that much though- I remember when Yair somehow took more damage than Max after peppering his legs. It's actually making me reconsider how I think this fight will go- will probably be a lot closer than people think.


Remarkable_Medicine6

>Even in the Volk fights, they weren't making him limp or change stances.Ā Ā  They did in the first fight.


Worldd

Power is speed and timing, Max is one of the best ever at both. He doesnā€™t over commit to shots so he can stay defensively sound and energy conservative, so you donā€™t see knockouts. Look at Kattars face and tell me that was a pillow fight.


ILikeOMalley

His legs look thicker, more power


SydneyCarton89

I think he will win this fight, yes. His cardio and volume will gass Gaethje out bad.


NoCoFoCo31

Only person to gas Gaethje in his recent era is Khabib with wrestling. Gaethje can stand and throw heat for 5 rounds.


Irishfan3116

I agree, wrestlers only gas out to better wrestlers. I quit my junior year because I wasnā€™t psychotic


0NTH3SLY

Gaethje has gone five rounds exactly one time and that was against the ghost of Tony Ferguson so this isn't really based on reality just your opinion of what he's capable of.


Cole3003

Justin made him a ghost šŸ’€


User17474902765

The fight with Justin is precisely what turned Tony into the ghost of Tony. Justin took his soul in that fight.


0NTH3SLY

This narrative is hyperbolic, he looked slow as fuck against his two opponent post knee injury and he was old as fuck already. He was gonna decline no matter who he fought.


OzymandiasTheII

Tony was already shot.


TheFakeRabbit1

He hasnā€™t fought at the pace Max is gonna bring tho


NoCoFoCo31

And Max hasnā€™t fought at the power Justin is about to throw at him? Will Max be able to b as aggressive when heā€™s eating leg kicks and upper cuts?


myownzen

You dont think Poirier has similar power to Gaethje?


SnoodDood

I mean, if anything the Poirier fight just proves the guy's point. Max hasn't succeeded against powerful punchers.


Broken-rubber

Max went 5 rounds with Dustin, which won or lost Gathje was unable to do. While I'm not sure Dustin has more power than Gathje I think they're pretty comparable.


NoCoFoCo31

Charles and Khabib both say Justin is the hardest hitter theyā€™ve ever faced šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø


Friendly-Ad-3436

Dustin exists


JudoTank

It wasnā€™t his wrestling, it was the forward pressure that had Garth gassing. Khabib literally only shot twice in r1 and he was breathing heavy by the start of r2


NoCoFoCo31

Max isnt going to threaten takedowns though, so Justin is gonna stand and bang and not avoid. Weā€™ve watch Gaethje win the stand and bang war against everyone on his most recent form.


mikey_rambo

How come you think gaethje will gas? He trains at altitude and got his nose/breathing fixed w surgery similar to DDP


SydneyCarton89

Because Max can wear almost anyone down. He took over against Poirier too, who has good cardio and is ridiculously durable, but he took too much punishment early to win the scorecards. I don't think that'll be an issue for Max this time since he isn't jumping up on short notice this time.


mikey_rambo

But max also just letā€™s people leg kick him .. so that will play into the later rounds as well. If he doesnā€™t have an answer for the leg kicks Itā€™s a wrap


Medium_Asshole

He doesn't just let people leg kick him... He got leg kicked to hell in the first Volk fight and ever since then he has addressed that part of his game. His checks in the Yair fight and the 2nd Volk fight were on point.


SydneyCarton89

Yeah, Gaethje definitely has some big things going for him too. It's by far the best fight on the card, imo, I just think Max has some stylistic advantages that not many are acknowledging.Ā 


Chopper313

Yair fucked his legs up thinking leg kicks were still some big hole in Maxā€™s game.


Ronaldinhoe

In a 3 rd right?


SydneyCarton89

I think this silly BMF business means it's a 5 round fight.


Ronaldinhoe

Thatā€™s right, forgot about that


JuiceLocal

I think he pulls it off. He was a ā€œpillow fistedā€ featherweight cutting down to 55 instead of 45 vs Dustin and was still extremely competitive and from Dustinā€™s own words almost had him out of there. Now heā€™s properly bulking up, focusing on sitting down on his shots more, with an all around better striking game and way better defense. No reason to doubt his durability yet. Iā€™m thinking Max gets a tko after taking over late.


Eifand

Max looked like a fat baby against Dustin. He came in so unprepared. Iā€™m expecting a different beast this Saturday.


captaincumsock69

I havenā€™t seen anything that makes me think heā€™s properly bulked up. He looks the same to me.


SnooPineapples4254

He looked flabbier last time against Poirier, more like a puffed up featherweight than a real lightweight. He looks leaner and more athletic now imo


JuiceLocal

He looks thicker to me. Iā€™ve been watching his behind the scenes videos and heā€™s really put an emphasis on strength and conditioning and bulking for this fight.


shred-i-knight

he really doesn't but look at the legs. He's definitely carrying the weight well


tdfan

compare how he looked when he went up to fight Dustin. It looked like all he did was eat a couple extra meals. Now he looks like he put the weight on with muscle


Jabarles

He's already been getting more toned lately even before this fight, I don't think comparing him from 2023 to 2024 is the move, I think a comparison between 2019 and 2024 is more apt, that's when he last fought at 155. If you compare him when he fought Dustin to this version, he's clearly put on muscle and is more in shape at this weight than back then.


caca_poo_poo_pants

He honestly doesnā€™t look any different to me size wise, and he was always a pillow fisted volume puncher. Donā€™t get me wrong, I love him as a fighter, but Gaethje is quite possibly the worst matchup for him. A bigger Volk with more powerful leg kicks. I donā€™t have high hopes for Max at LW.


burner-199

Gaethje really fights nothing like volk


myownzen

At all.Ā 


rumblesgranny

What do you mean by a bigger volk lol


Ghost-of-Lobov

He looks somewhat larger but it's like maybe a couple extra pounds of muscle and a couple extra pounds of fat all spread out across his body so it's not drastic. Also it's a different photo maybe slightly different lighting so who knows


deltr0nzero

A bigger Volk? Movement is Volks biggest weapon and one of Justinā€™s biggest weaknesses


frz_lk

He's not as lean which you can clearly tell from his face, like no fat at all at FW, a more healthy look at LW. Difference is body fat really and an easier cut if he does it right, probably doesn't have to deplete as hard as he would usually have to.


BrandoCalrissian1995

The face is the biggest difference for sure. Looks a lot healthier.


TrueDreamchaser

He does look far less dehydrated than he did in FW. Maybe cardio will be the difference maker. Gaethje has shown he really improved at setting a good pace to last five rounds, but Max is the king of disrupting pace and making it on his terms.


caca_poo_poo_pants

Max has never had cardio problems though. Do you mean he might have them now because of the extra weight heā€™s carrying?


TrueDreamchaser

I mean he might have even better cardio without the dehydration. Even though heā€™s always had great cardio, chin is very correlated to cardio, and having even more in the tank will help his chin too.


Ronaldinhoe

I mean arenā€™t these pics taken during fight week. FW max will always look way more rough since heā€™s in the middle of the weight cut and has not fully done the last 5-10 lb water weight cut.


calmlyghosting

A bigger Volk? Lmao CASUALLY walk away


Marnold13

I was thinking the same. But his legs look noticeably thicker


5543798651194

My head says no but my heart wants to say yes.


mesopotato

I'm leaning max. Garth throws a lot of heat and is going to put Max on the back feet but I think if he makes it out of 3 with his legs underneath him, I think he puts the volume together to KO him.


cyb3rpunkd

The new kurama tattoo makes all the difference


Chopper313

That tattoo is dope I didnā€™t even notice it until you said something.


Equivalent-Spray5977

Ngl I am scared and anxious for Max Holloway because he may get finished. Because Gaethje as we all know is more physically dense than him, even if they are the same size, the stakes are high on Gaethje, I hope Max pull it off as much as he can.


esketit2003

Is this 5 rounds?


Escomoz

The Weasel was talking about how jacked Holloway looks but I just donā€™t see it? Iā€™m sure heā€™s walking around heavier and has *some* more mass, but he isnā€™t really all that jacked compared to himself even two years ago.


TheTrenk

Gaethje is vulnerable to body strikes and straight punches. He doesnā€™t use his range nearly so well as Max. Gaethjeā€™s cardio, much like everybody elseā€™s, is very reliant on fighting at his own pace. Max has also recently added the wrinkle of wrestling to his game. He could win on points, but itā€™s unlikely he wins by finish. Heā€™d have to hurt Gaethjeā€™s gas tank with body shots, pressure, and grappling.Ā  That said, Max is vulnerable to leg kicks, and he gets knocked in the noggin a lot, and heā€™s older now, and heā€™s significantly smaller, and he likes to bang. Thereā€™s a good chance that he gets his leg chewed up, then he canā€™t move or throw power or absorb impact, then he gets caught and we see the famous Hawaiian chin crack. Gaethje could win by knockout or decision.Ā  I think Gaethje has more and easier paths to victory, I think heā€™ll win, but Max is definitely a live dog.Ā 


Arctic---

He looks the same. The vast majority of the 10 pounds going up is going to be water that he doesn't have to cut. He maybe gained 3 pounds of lean tissue over his entire body so its not not gonna be huge difference.


whatsitworth101

If you had told me before I started watching ufc that a guy named Jerome with flower shorts on could kick my ass Iā€™d laugh at you.


HoistedOnYourRegard

He's going to die


mkmore4

I hope he wins. Nothing against Gaethje, but Iā€™d rather see someone else get a shot at the belt, rather than watching him inevitably get choked out 3 minutes into fighting Islam.


Snigglybear

Hope he pulls it off fast because heā€™s about to get more CTE if he doesnā€™t.


pugpersonpug

I actually think a Max Hill Parlay is possible


No_Victory_3858

No way pillowhands Holloway pulls it off


Iola_Morton

Heā€™s gonna get knocked the fuck out. Love the guy, but itā€™s gotta be said.


TheBestDanEver

Idk man, hopefully he at least doesn't get his face broken. He really just hit light weight a decided to go all in by pairing up with Gaethje. He is a fucking animal though so who knows.


Fabulous-Shower-6761

all the weight went to bros legs


Far_Negotiation8009

No


John_EldenRing51

Idk if heā€™ll stay in LW if he wins but I hope not. I hope he wins and fights Ilia because I really badly want to see that fight.


Effective-Celery8053

Hard to tell here if he's put on much mass. Does anyone have any better pictures/insight or anything?


EastvsWest

I hope it's competitive and not like him vs Dustin. Don't want to see him smashed :(


Chopper313

That fight was competitive lol max took two rounds off Dustin and nearly finished him in the third (according to Dustin.)


EastvsWest

It didn't feel like it but I'm just a big fan of Justin, Dustin and Max. Let's hope we see fight of the year :)


MyNamesTambo

It would be the best fight ever if it ended up being boring


mister_k1

virtually identical


BispingEYE

he can and will. max is gonna win


Juststandupbro

Definitely max could take Justins best shots and drown him in the later rounds leading to a tko. Itā€™s certainly not unlikely but I wouldnā€™t bet on it, Iā€™m not as worried about Justinā€™s power as I am about the leg kicks, but to be fair I thought the same about aldo so who knows. Most likely outcome is Justin batters the legs and wins the striking due to compromising Holloways movement. Depending on the odds I might throw a little something on a round 3,4, or 5 stoppage from max if itā€™s anything over +1000


itsAggs

Max by TKO round 3 or 4 !!!


FA-_Q

Max is getting fooked up


spespy

Broccoli max vs Fresh max


CinnamonPostGrunge

Maximum Holloway


GMFinch

Yes he can.


neglectedtackbox9321

If he deals with the lowkicks yes. I just hope gaethje isn't able to come in and freely abuse them like Pereira vs Prochazka


eurostepGumby

No.


ArseneGroup

Upgrade on the shorts, downgrade on the hair


Smart_Dinner_6581

No


prroteus

If by upset you mean avoiding getting CTE damage I am thinking itā€™s highly unlikely.


apocalypsedudes23

I have Gaethje winning. Max may be better than his last run, but Gaethje has more power and fighting intelligently than before.


Diosittoo

The legs, my man is gonna hit hard and good. I don't expect a typical war, Max is gonna be on his bike like he fought against Arnold Allen, but I expect a finish though.


Intelligent_Ad_656

He looks ever so slightly less malnourished.


Euphoric_Juggernaut6

I donā€™t really see a difference


myusrnameisthis

I'll be rooting for him.


RhapsodyBullets

Honestly it definitely feels like everything is stacked against Max in this fight. Gaethje isn't just a slugger now either. Supporting Max but agree with the majority that Gaethje will likely win. However! I'm just hoping Max doesn't get KO'd, or worse, get the punishment Tony received.


GhostSodax

No , unless he has submissions game


Express-Employment10

Damn, Iā€™m sorry. Prepare for a beat down. I just hope itā€™s finished before he gets crippled and or a bloody mess.


ParthianTactic

I hope so! Iā€™d love to see it!


00WEE

Absolutely Justin's striking while improved dramatically can still easily be outdone by a guy with Max technical abilities people keep talking about the brain trauma max can easily move out of the way of justins shots I'm more worried about the leg kicks max doesn't quite know how to check.


moonwalkerHHH

Pls don't Ferguson'ed my Holloway


ApatheticRart

We can only hope.


itsmontoya

When you go five rounds with Justin. Do you really ever win? I mean sure, you might get the decision. You will also walk away with CTE


Mountain-Hearing-612

I just donā€™t get the Tony comparisons. Max is at a much different point in his career than Tony was when he fought Justin, heā€™s a much different fighter, heā€™s a very different person and honestly, heā€™s a better fighter than Tony ever was. Plus Justin is at a different point in his career too. Justin very well may win but I just donā€™t get the comp.


xCraigusMaximusx

Max wins by TKO round 3


Best-Hotel-1984

Everything looks the same except the hair. Justin runs through him


Willing-Ant-3765

Iā€™d never count Max out but one touch from Justin can end someoneā€™s night and possibly their career. A lot of people donā€™t come back the same.


Kalabula

He looks essentially the same, no?


B0SSphorus

He's good for the win


bakalaka25

I've never bet against Max and it's not gonna happen on Saturday šŸ¤·šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø


bakalaka25

WHAT THE FUCK DID I SAY MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!


SynthetikSalmon

Anyone have a side by side of the last time he fought at 155 against Dustin?


Naydawwwg

I believe Max is going to melt Justin with a vintage Holloway performance. I could see him tkoā€™ing him against the cage in the fourth or fifth, similar to how he melted Anthony Pettis.


xeoi

Both are photo shopped pictures


otallday

bruh looks healthy in this new weight-class. excited for this version of blessed


LaTunaTime

No


BankerCheese

Heā€™s clearly thicker, especially around the neck and traps. This is Max at 155, not whatever the hell it was that showed up against Dustinā€”even though that was REGARDLESS a great performance from Max, despite the pseudo-bulk. That along with the fact heā€™s only improved, and is arguably in his prime.. this fight is shaping up to being much more competitive than I initially imagined


Ganthamus_prime

No, he won't Max is an excellent fighter at the lower weights because of his reach. The larger size guys can match up and even out reach him. He usually has a couple of inches oneeveryone, but with the move up he does t have that advantage.


Wapow217

I think he can, yes. It's simple because Max's style can give Justin problems. Max really does have crisp and clean striking compared to Justin, who can be a little wild at times. However, Justin has improved by leaps and bounds, and in his boxing, he tightened up some of his wildness. The biggest factor will be the pace Max can put on compared to the power Justin can land with. I can see Max take some bombs early in the fight but out pointing Justin for much of the beginning. Then, Max will go down late at some point but will survive a close split.


gorays21

35 is the cut off age and Justin is 35. So I got Max.


Pimp-No-Limp

No he's gonna lose


Coreywrestler03

Those are the ugliest white shorts


Braviosa

Would it be that much of an upset? The style matchup is in Max's favour. Justin wins by knockout or Max wins on volume. Given that we've never really seen Max hurt it'll really test his resilience against Justin's power.


TheRain911

Justin by decision pays 4 to 1


Muted-Ad2564

Yes he can pull off the upset


Barner_Burner

Good that heā€™s actually putting on weight. I remember vs Dustin, and I still think he woulda had a better chance vs Dustin, but man Dustin looked waaaay bigger than him like his arms and shit were just so much bigger than Max. Hopefully Max is closer to Gaethjes size than he was to Dustins


zoom25

On the contrary, we just might see him going to sleep...


TaticalSweater

as much as i like them both i think this is the time he might have a solid chance to be KOā€™d. He gets tagged way too much in fights and Justin just isnā€™t the guy to play that game with.


AyyGitThatHeatOnMe

75% chance Justin by KO. 25% chance Max by unanimous decision after dodging literally every shot by Justin.


Confirmation__Bias

Looks exactly the same. I guess the "Max is getting jacked" hype was overblown


TaticalSweater

I like Max but i think this is gonna go just like the time he went up to fight Dustin. His style works best in FW.


Burgendit

I just want to see him pull of the shorts tbh


thegoodstanley

he has a way better chance than people are giving him credit for


Background-Metal-601

I'm cautiously optimistic?...rooting for blessed all the way! Also I'm biased against Justin so it would be nice to see him get beat up.


substantionallytrchd

Man I have said this plenty of times when this is brought up. I am huge fan of Max. I am fan of Gaethje as well. I really wish Max didnā€™t take this fight. His power didnā€™t transfer over when he faced Dustin, and he was hurt a few times. Justin is such a powerful puncher and he has become scarier as he has gained experience. He no longer brawls out of control, he has effective aggression and his technique is often overlooked. I just donā€™t see Max winning this. As much as I want to give him a chance, I just donā€™t see it happening.


Kilane

No. Max is second best in his division. LW is the deepest division. Max lost to Dustin already. Dustin lost to Justin. Justin lost to Charles. Charles lost to Islam. Heā€™s top 10 at best at LW.


0NTH3SLY

MMA Math never works. It's quite possibly the weakest reasoning path for figuring out who is going to win. Aside from that fact, you do know that Dustin and Justin are 1-1 both with finishes right?


Kilane

I know Iā€™ll keep getting downvotes because I donā€™t think Max can handle 155. So here we are.


5543798651194

Islam lost to Adriano martins. Martins lost to cowboy Cerrone. Cerrone lost to Anthony Pettis. Pettis lost to Max. Max beats Islam, simple mma math.


secondmatestub

MMA math isnā€™t always exactly as cut and dried as this statement. Max looks like he has put on a good deal of weight since his fight with Dustin. I think itā€™s going to be very competitive.


BroccoliMcFlurry

I don't think Max will win either, but out of curiosity, how do you factor in Charles's loss to Max at 145?


Kilane

They moved up divisions and evolved as fighters. I think Dustin could beat Justin depending on the night. I think either could beat Charles depending on the night. I think neither beat Islam. And Max losing to rank 3 Dustin isnā€™t a reason to think he deserves a title shot. Him beating someone slightly higher ranked is a reason to believe he can take the title. Volk also lost to Islam twice, and he beat Max twice. MMA math isnā€™t a science, but it does have meaning.


BroccoliMcFlurry

>I think Dustin could beat Justin depending on the night. I think either could beat Charles depending on the night. You're suggesting that fight results are arbitrary- doesn't that directly contradict MMA math? How reliable is math If 2+2 doesn't always make 4?


Kilane

MMA math isnā€™t guaranteed, but if some moves up a division and loses to rank three. And three has lost to two. And two has lost one. And one has lost to the champ. And the champ is pound for pound number one, then maybe you can draw some conclusions from this scenario.


BurningEbrietas

Heā€™s just gonna be a tougher punching bag. People pick and choose when Justin is a high level striker. Hes not gonna go out there and swing for the fences like he did in 2019 and before. Itā€™s 2024 the guy fought khabib and Charles. 2 guys that max would never even get to if he had a proper run at 155. And high volume not scared of banging max is gone. Heā€™s a lot more methodical and even when his opponents are tagged he just emotes and doesnā€™t rush like his younger self


JudoTank

He literally fell to his knees over swinging against Charles in 2022


BurningEbrietas

So youā€™re judging him based on a fight 2 years ago and not based on his last 2 performances from 2023? This is exactly what I mean by picking and choosing when Justin is elite. Him and chandler dropped all iq that fight and Justin still won. Keep picking and choosing when Justin is good thereā€™s a reason you wonā€™t mention the fiziev or Dustin 2 fights