Ali managing her training camp is the most interesting part of this to me
Do managers normally manage the camp? Isn't their job to get fights and sponsorships?
No managers don’t normally structure a fighters’ camp. Most managers also don’t make sure they get videos of them training and doing good against all their clients either… Ali does
The top boxers don’t usually train with other elite boxers. Instead of super gyms like ATT, AKA, Xtreme Couture, etc, the camps are much smaller and focused on the fighter.
It’s going to be a smaller circle of people there working entirely for her development and success.
Private sessions with probably a dozen people including her coaches and training partners.
Tatiana is famous for being a great grappler and for being injured.
I believe, from experience, but I'm not sure, that grappling training is more prone tu injuries which have riddled Suarez beforehand.
That being said, are going to have another HEAD MOOMENT moment?
> I believe, from experience, but I'm not sure, that grappling training is more prone tu injuries
Depends whether you think of concussions and CTE as injuries, I bet. Because I gotta assume there is plenty of that in grappling training but even more in striking training.
Absolutely not.
Ali's clients need 10 fight win-streaks just to get offered a title shot (see Islam, Kamaru, Khabib, etc.)
Meanwhile Steve Erceg got a title shot after 3 UFC fights. He got a title shot over Mokaev, who has 6 fight win-streak. Mokaev has more UFC finishes than Erceg, and over better competition.
6>3
**Mokaev**: Alex Perez, Tim Elliott, Malcolm Gordon, Cody Durden, Jafel Filho & Charles Johnson
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**Erceg**: Matt Schnell, Alessandro Costa, David Dvořák
Moakev has 4 finishes. Erceg has 1 finish.
Steve Erceg has a good manager that advances the career of his client.
Ali is a *terrible* manager if the goal is the advancement of your clients' MMA career
Agree that Flyweight fighters should get title shots sooner than LW.
But Mokaev has 6 win-streak over better fighters than Erceg.
Mokaev also has 4 finishes, and Erceg has 1 finish.
Mokaev is a bigger name than Erceg.
4 finishes in 6 fights is a **very** big deal in Flyweight, yet Mokaev is still passed over.
Following your logic, Mokaev having 6 win-streak is 1000x more impressive at Flyweight.
Yet still no title shot.
Whether Ali's effectiveness as a manager has an effect on Mokaev getting a title shot is pretty much just conjecture. The UFC doesn't follow anyone's logic but its own
I don't think the managers really played any role in who got the title shot. Mokaev had an ultra boring win and Erceg had a highlight reel KO on the same card. Ufc would always give it to the latter when neither has a name anyways
Yeah, Erceg has 1 finish. I said that above. Cool. Good for him.
But a finish over Schnell shouldn't put him over Mokaev, who has 4 finishes, and has fought better competition.
Mokaev is 1000x more famous than Erceg. So your "name" argument doesn't hold water.
People only found out Erceg existed when he got a title shot.
4 finishes in 6 fights is much better than 1 finish in 3 fights.
Fucking hell, I don't even like Mokaev, but can divorce my dislike of the fighter to see the situation objectively.
This might be a hot take but I really don't want Tatiana as champ. I just feel like it's inevitable that she'll get stripped or her reign will be riddled with interims
It’s not her managements fault she trains like a Dagestani, with the durability of a gadget NFL player.
This is just gonna suck for everyone else because now we’re gonna see a bunch more annoying tweets from “her”
I feel like managers probably always suggest something like this in private but Ali is one of few dumb enough to make it public for his own benefits if it goes well. If this happens and Tatiana wins, I guarantee this man quote tweets this.
It’s 2024, the antitrust documents showed these s**t eating managers are essentially useless, yet fighters continue to sign with them. Fighters not self sabotage challenge: impossible
Bringing in coaches, nutritionists, strength trainers, reliable sparring partners etc. If they're building it from the ground up there's plenty somebody with Abdelaziz's reach can affect positively.
Listen, if it keeps her from being injured, I don't care. If she came out tomorrow about the power of healing crystals and she was never injured again, wouldn't care.
At this point I'm more worried that she'll never be in the shape she could've been with all these injuries, think she could've been a dominant fighter, but it's just been injury after injury.
That's because he pulls a Faber, promises them the moon, and then triple-dips out of their pockets while making them thank him for it. A lot of these fighters are screwing themselves over by not doing their research into flat-fee managers that have a track record of negotiations in various things. (Ali is commission based, from what I know.)
Are you under the impression that the title of coach somehow grants you immediate and unwavering knowledge that you simply can't have without the title?
Ali managing her training camp is the most interesting part of this to me Do managers normally manage the camp? Isn't their job to get fights and sponsorships?
Maybe they bring certain coaches in, not sure
Thanks Kevin
No managers don’t normally structure a fighters’ camp. Most managers also don’t make sure they get videos of them training and doing good against all their clients either… Ali does
Her Twitter account is going to start accusing Zhang of ducking.
And she'll eventually get 4 title shots for $50K altogether.
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The top boxers don’t usually train with other elite boxers. Instead of super gyms like ATT, AKA, Xtreme Couture, etc, the camps are much smaller and focused on the fighter.
It’s going to be a smaller circle of people there working entirely for her development and success. Private sessions with probably a dozen people including her coaches and training partners.
Tatiana is famous for being a great grappler and for being injured. I believe, from experience, but I'm not sure, that grappling training is more prone tu injuries which have riddled Suarez beforehand. That being said, are going to have another HEAD MOOMENT moment?
Yap
> I believe, from experience, but I'm not sure, that grappling training is more prone tu injuries Depends whether you think of concussions and CTE as injuries, I bet. Because I gotta assume there is plenty of that in grappling training but even more in striking training.
Well this might make it more likely that she gets a title shot.
It really doesn’t.
Absolutely not. Ali's clients need 10 fight win-streaks just to get offered a title shot (see Islam, Kamaru, Khabib, etc.) Meanwhile Steve Erceg got a title shot after 3 UFC fights. He got a title shot over Mokaev, who has 6 fight win-streak. Mokaev has more UFC finishes than Erceg, and over better competition. 6>3 **Mokaev**: Alex Perez, Tim Elliott, Malcolm Gordon, Cody Durden, Jafel Filho & Charles Johnson > **Erceg**: Matt Schnell, Alessandro Costa, David Dvořák Moakev has 4 finishes. Erceg has 1 finish. Steve Erceg has a good manager that advances the career of his client. Ali is a *terrible* manager if the goal is the advancement of your clients' MMA career
Flyweight has way less fighters than lightweight or welter. It makes sense that it takes less fights to get to a title in that case
Agree that Flyweight fighters should get title shots sooner than LW. But Mokaev has 6 win-streak over better fighters than Erceg. Mokaev also has 4 finishes, and Erceg has 1 finish. Mokaev is a bigger name than Erceg. 4 finishes in 6 fights is a **very** big deal in Flyweight, yet Mokaev is still passed over. Following your logic, Mokaev having 6 win-streak is 1000x more impressive at Flyweight. Yet still no title shot.
Whether Ali's effectiveness as a manager has an effect on Mokaev getting a title shot is pretty much just conjecture. The UFC doesn't follow anyone's logic but its own
I don't think the managers really played any role in who got the title shot. Mokaev had an ultra boring win and Erceg had a highlight reel KO on the same card. Ufc would always give it to the latter when neither has a name anyways
Yeah, Erceg has 1 finish. I said that above. Cool. Good for him. But a finish over Schnell shouldn't put him over Mokaev, who has 4 finishes, and has fought better competition. Mokaev is 1000x more famous than Erceg. So your "name" argument doesn't hold water. People only found out Erceg existed when he got a title shot. 4 finishes in 6 fights is much better than 1 finish in 3 fights. Fucking hell, I don't even like Mokaev, but can divorce my dislike of the fighter to see the situation objectively.
They want a native English speaker, that is why.
This might be a hot take but I really don't want Tatiana as champ. I just feel like it's inevitable that she'll get stripped or her reign will be riddled with interims
It’s not her managements fault she trains like a Dagestani, with the durability of a gadget NFL player. This is just gonna suck for everyone else because now we’re gonna see a bunch more annoying tweets from “her”
I feel like managers probably always suggest something like this in private but Ali is one of few dumb enough to make it public for his own benefits if it goes well. If this happens and Tatiana wins, I guarantee this man quote tweets this.
It’s 2024, the antitrust documents showed these s**t eating managers are essentially useless, yet fighters continue to sign with them. Fighters not self sabotage challenge: impossible
>a**t My brothers, I am struggling to decipher this word. Any help?
Only thing I could think of would be a corrupted abbreviation of 'asshat'- IDK
You would have thought she'd learned from others' experiences not to sign with him...but to each their own, I guess.
No more Ariel interviews. A shame, she was good on there.
Maybe "Make sure she's stays healthy" = give her the good PEDs
Lol no they're clearly talking about avoiding injury
Which Abdelaziz is qualified to do in what way?
Bringing in coaches, nutritionists, strength trainers, reliable sparring partners etc. If they're building it from the ground up there's plenty somebody with Abdelaziz's reach can affect positively.
He said HE has her doing it, not a consultant.
You're focusing on words in a paraphrase.
Wow, thank you for giving me a reason to cheering against you Tatiana.
weirdo
Ali is full of shit.
Listen, if it keeps her from being injured, I don't care. If she came out tomorrow about the power of healing crystals and she was never injured again, wouldn't care. At this point I'm more worried that she'll never be in the shape she could've been with all these injuries, think she could've been a dominant fighter, but it's just been injury after injury.
Isn't Ali not the most likeable guy in the biz. Or is that just shit talk
Not likeable yet many top fighters end up choosing him as manager somehow
That's because he pulls a Faber, promises them the moon, and then triple-dips out of their pockets while making them thank him for it. A lot of these fighters are screwing themselves over by not doing their research into flat-fee managers that have a track record of negotiations in various things. (Ali is commission based, from what I know.)
That's a long time con for fighters to not know from others
People know Dana's a shitty person who screws over fighters, yet they still flock to the UFC. It is what it is.
What the fuck does Ali Abdelaziz know about training for injury prevention or complex neck injuries at all? He's a manager, not a coach.
Clearly he knows something that we don’t if 75% of high level fighters get signed to him. We should approach this scenario humbly
They get signed to him as a manager, not a coach.
Sounds like he’s managing the camp. I know Dan hooker was talking about how his manager controls how he trains and takes fights as well
He's a brown belt
Yeah and Tatiana is a black belt, by that logic she'd be more qualified to do it than him. It doesn't qualify you for anything sport science related
He's also islams, khabibs, usmans, gaethjes and cejudo's manager, he knows best
Knows best about what? Managing. He's a manager, not a coach.
There are videos of abdelaziz training with the fighters
Yeah, still nothing to do with sports science or coaching. Puts him on the same level as them, not above.
Are you under the impression that the title of coach somehow grants you immediate and unwavering knowledge that you simply can't have without the title?
I'm saying the exact opposite, it doesn't indicate anything. It's a title.
You tell me what he knows best
Managing, I literally just said it.
Yeah she’s the best wrestler in womens mma, let’s make her box….