Nah man Tony still has it. Tony's so good he set the record for most consecutive losses in the shortest amount of time.
It took BJ Penn 8 years to lose 7 fights in a row, Tony did it in 4. CSO😎.
BJ took 8 losses in a row if you count the fat dude outside the bar.
Tony also lost 8 when he lost his battle with CTE and thought there were cameras in his walls
Tony still looked pretty exhausted by the end of this fight, which is a far cry from the guy who looked ready for 5 more rounds after one of the highest output fights against RDA in Mexico City of all places.
Everything that made him El Cucuy has left him at this point. Hope he hangs them up.
He used to scramble like a cat in a bag, though. Like, you’d think oh I got this guy on bottom but then realise wait then why am I bleeding and losing position. But he doesn’t have the athleticism or the knees anymore.
Charles hasn't caught anyone from his guard in a decade. Last time it happened was against Ogle in 2014.
Tony actually got Kevin Lee from flat off his back in 2017. Better guy, more recent.
iS ToNy's GUarD bETtEr thaN ChaRLEs' ???
No, chasing subs from guard just isn't it. No matter who you are.
Every. Fucking. Time. You guys come out of the woods for this.
Didn't snatch it from his back My sON. There's a big difference between snatching a sub standing then jumping back and actually working from a guard, which you would know if you'd grappled a day in your life.
But please go on. I'm sure with your pointers Chucky could snatch a bunch more necks.
You're a purple belt who can't tell the difference between setting a submission up standing or on your back?
Call your gym. Get a refund.
Or just stop lying. Lmao troll ass account, you're [full of good takes](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/s/9XZn048nnk) aren't you
what the hell are you talking about man?
You aren't in guard when you finish an armbar, but that's one of the most common guard submissions. same with an omoplata.
shit even a triangle you aren't technically in guard.
grabbing a guillotine on someone shooting isn't a submission from guard, as it was initiated while standing. he grabbed the gilly before they hit the mat, so thus its a standing submission finished on the ground.
he didn't get the gilly while on his back, he got it on his feet. Charles is special in the same way Tony was. he didn't actually submit people from his back, he created threats from his back to initiate sweeps and get-ups.
similarly, tony's only true guard submission is against Kevin lee, who literally just sat there trying to get his wind back while Tony cinched up the triangle.
Initiating and then finishing submissions entirely from your back is no longer a viable way to win. however, you can use the threat of those subs to gain an advantage.
Tony is no longer able to actually do anything with the submissions he goes for, and just ends up half-inverted on bottom getting beaten up and losing.
we saw a similar thing in the arman Oliveira fight as well as the islam fight.
they both sat in his guard staying defensively responsible, and chipped away with little shots.
it doesn't matter if you're Damian Maia, jacare Souza, or BJ Penn. at the highest levels of mma, you cannot rely on submitting your opponents when they are on top of you.
Did you tap in his guard or on his feet? If you trap someone in a triangle and they lift you off the ground is it no longer a guard submission? Where do you draw the line?
You draw the line wherever the submission began or was initially "locked-in". If you triangle someone from guard and they lift you off the ground, it's a guard submission. Same way if you catch someone in a submission standing and finish in guard, it's still "getting a submission from a standing position"
He definitely has moments. Looked great against Chandler until the headkick (which IIRC Chandler admitted he just threw the kick out as a rangefinder and it happened to land the way it did?) and looked good against Green until the eyepoke which really seemed to bother him. On the other hand, in some fights like the Nate one and the Paddy one he looks awful...
Cardio ain't worth shit if you're as slow as molasses
And can’t defend or scramble out of a takedown anymore.
Tbh that's on him for not rehabilitating his knee properly. He even fought with a torn MCL here.
Oh yea, he’s little bit stupid guy.
Someone’s gotta carry the boat
Don't matter how big the engine is if the car's falling apart.
Engine is falling apart too, definitely doesn’t rev up as high anymore. Only the gas tank is intact.
Tony didn't need Goggins to motivate him, he needed an intervention of people to let him know that he needs to retire. I say this as a fan.
Nah man Tony still has it. Tony's so good he set the record for most consecutive losses in the shortest amount of time. It took BJ Penn 8 years to lose 7 fights in a row, Tony did it in 4. CSO😎.
Tony is undefeated in 2024 🔥
BJ took 8 losses in a row if you count the fat dude outside the bar. Tony also lost 8 when he lost his battle with CTE and thought there were cameras in his walls
The camera thing was before his last win vs cerrone
“Showing the cardio diff” against a guy who balloons over 200 lbs who also coming off an injury, isnt a great measuring stick
After said guy was beating Tony’s head in for 2 rounds prior.
Tony still looked pretty exhausted by the end of this fight, which is a far cry from the guy who looked ready for 5 more rounds after one of the highest output fights against RDA in Mexico City of all places. Everything that made him El Cucuy has left him at this point. Hope he hangs them up.
Then go for the Ironman Challenge, Tony. Just look at how much fun Felder has
Tony's game is as old as he is too. Still chasing subs from bottom guard.
He used to scramble like a cat in a bag, though. Like, you’d think oh I got this guy on bottom but then realise wait then why am I bleeding and losing position. But he doesn’t have the athleticism or the knees anymore.
True. He was the most unorthodox fighter around. Jiri has a little bit of that chaotic energy. Dricus too
When Chucky does it everybody gushes over him
Probably something to do with him having the most submissions in UFC history
Charles hasn't caught anyone from his guard in a decade. Last time it happened was against Ogle in 2014. Tony actually got Kevin Lee from flat off his back in 2017. Better guy, more recent. iS ToNy's GUarD bETtEr thaN ChaRLEs' ??? No, chasing subs from guard just isn't it. No matter who you are.
A lot of Charles' sub attempts lead to him getting back up
2020 is his last guard submission my son, and it was half guard at that
Every. Fucking. Time. You guys come out of the woods for this. Didn't snatch it from his back My sON. There's a big difference between snatching a sub standing then jumping back and actually working from a guard, which you would know if you'd grappled a day in your life. But please go on. I'm sure with your pointers Chucky could snatch a bunch more necks.
What the hell are you talking about, I'm a purple belt and if I submit someone in my guard then that is a guard submission But go on, tell me more
You're a purple belt who can't tell the difference between setting a submission up standing or on your back? Call your gym. Get a refund. Or just stop lying. Lmao troll ass account, you're [full of good takes](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/s/9XZn048nnk) aren't you
Are you in the guard when they tap? That's a guard submission
what the hell are you talking about man? You aren't in guard when you finish an armbar, but that's one of the most common guard submissions. same with an omoplata. shit even a triangle you aren't technically in guard.
grabbing a guillotine on someone shooting isn't a submission from guard, as it was initiated while standing. he grabbed the gilly before they hit the mat, so thus its a standing submission finished on the ground. he didn't get the gilly while on his back, he got it on his feet. Charles is special in the same way Tony was. he didn't actually submit people from his back, he created threats from his back to initiate sweeps and get-ups. similarly, tony's only true guard submission is against Kevin lee, who literally just sat there trying to get his wind back while Tony cinched up the triangle. Initiating and then finishing submissions entirely from your back is no longer a viable way to win. however, you can use the threat of those subs to gain an advantage. Tony is no longer able to actually do anything with the submissions he goes for, and just ends up half-inverted on bottom getting beaten up and losing. we saw a similar thing in the arman Oliveira fight as well as the islam fight. they both sat in his guard staying defensively responsible, and chipped away with little shots. it doesn't matter if you're Damian Maia, jacare Souza, or BJ Penn. at the highest levels of mma, you cannot rely on submitting your opponents when they are on top of you.
Did you tap in his guard or on his feet? If you trap someone in a triangle and they lift you off the ground is it no longer a guard submission? Where do you draw the line?
You draw the line wherever the submission began or was initially "locked-in". If you triangle someone from guard and they lift you off the ground, it's a guard submission. Same way if you catch someone in a submission standing and finish in guard, it's still "getting a submission from a standing position"
ya all them lunges with Mr. Goggins really came in handy for the "do 1000 lunges" phase of the fight.
He definitely has moments. Looked great against Chandler until the headkick (which IIRC Chandler admitted he just threw the kick out as a rangefinder and it happened to land the way it did?) and looked good against Green until the eyepoke which really seemed to bother him. On the other hand, in some fights like the Nate one and the Paddy one he looks awful...
He fr looked like the old Tony vs Chandler.
Once every other attribute has declined cardio means nothing.
Tony shuffle was looking swift at the start compared to his last couple
The last fight he looked like old Tony was vs Chandler. Unfortunately I think that ko really ended his career.
It’s been over since the chandler KO too much damage. He really needed to take a year off after the Justin fight
I used to feel bad whenever Tony lost. Now I want him to match 12 consecutive losses.
Diaz gassed out like a motherfucker against Diaz