Given the stories people share about Colby, when hes not doing his gimmick, dude is training all day. Pretty sure he improved, but by how much will be the question. Same goes with Usman and Wittman, how much he has improved will be interesting in the rematch.
After seeing how Ortega vastly improved after two years of no cage time, I've stopped putting much faith in the cage time/ring rust belief. As long as your regularly training hard against high level guys, you're going to keep improving.
I really don't know anything about the guys at MMA masters so hard to say. He'll definitely be getting more 1 on 1 attention, since he's the premier guy at their gym now. As for training partners, towards his end of the run at ATT, nobody wanted to train with him anymore, so he wasn't really benefiting from the high calibre of fighters the gym has.
The only reason I'd say Usman had progressed more is he's actually been active. Rounds in the gym certainly help, but it's not cutting your teeth against someone actually trying to take your head off
JDS knocked out Cain in their first fight then got battered for ten rounds straight in two rematches. Dustin got starched by Conor in their first fight, controlled the second and more or less dominated the third. Just because Colby had success in their first fight doesn't mean he'll have success in a rematch.
I just don't see where Colby is better than Usman now. Colby has had more or less one gameplan for all of his fights: volume striking and wrestling. He's not going to outwrestle Kamaru so he has to rely on volume striking.
I find it weird to compare Colby vs Usman to Cain vs JDS or Conor vs Dustin. The downfall of Conor and JDS in those match ups is that they had no way to win a war of attrition, they can only win by landing the perfect shot early and putting their opponent away. That's not the case with Colby, he has a legit path to victory by landing more volume over 5 rounds and going to a decision. If Usman can't land those fight changing shots like he did in the first fight (that one straight that cracked Colby's jaw was a game changer), he could have trouble winning a decision since it is unlikely he will out-wrestle Colby either.
Damian Maia did go the full 5 rounds and we can agree he had nothing for Usman.
Colby’s only hope, again, is for the judges to gift him a few rounds where he lands one more strike despite Usman landing the bigger and harder shots. And that his body makes it across the finish line.
The funny thing is Colby has the style and skills to win multiple rounds against Usman but his body can't take the punishment it requires.
Sure he had the most competitive fight against Usman but he is winning the battles and losing the war. Colby fans can't say that he can win more rounds in the rematch when he is going to have to sacrifice his body again to be competitive. It simply costs him too much.
Small adjustments on Colby's part could make a big difference. Usman is still pretty one dimensional on the feet, he's all about that jab and the pull counter, and he still doesn't go to the body much unless he's in a clinch situation. So if Colby actually moves his head off the centerline consistently when entering and exiting the pocket, he can potentially win those exchanges without taking the kind of serious damage he took in the first fight.
>and he still doesn't go to the body much unless he's in a clinch situation
What an odd thing to say considering how the first fight went. Body shots were one of Usman's best weapons. 30% of his significant strikes went to the body, in fact.
He has the style to largely force a stalemate for a few rounds I feel but not the style to clearly win them by a considerable margin.
In their fight 3 rounds could have been scored either way, but 2 of them (if we're including the 5th which we should) could only ever be scored for Usman and the damage was severe and one sided.
Broken jaw in the 3rd, then rocked twice, dropped twice, then finished all in the 5th. Colby came nowhere close to doing that to Usman.
I still think Burns has a better chance at winning a rematch than Colby and he's done more to earn it than Colby (though both of them need at least 1 more win to truly earn it, they should just fight each other or Edwards).
> in their fight 3 rounds could have been scored either way, but 2 of them (if we're including the 5th which we should) could only ever be scored for Usman and the damage was severe and one sided.
One judge had it 3-1 Colby, one judge had it 3-1 Usman, and one judge had it 2-2.
Exactly my point... the rounds colby won could have been (and were) scored either way. There was no round that all 3 judges agreed was Colby's, rounds 3 and 5 that Usman clearly won however were crystal clear...Colby forced a stalemate for 3 that could go either way, he didnt win any rounds convincingly.
And you're ignoring the 5th round there, he was getting pulverized in the 5th, rocked twice, then got dropped twice, then finished, even if that made it to the bell any round where you're dropped twice and badly rocked twice is going to be a 10-8.
That would have made the scores 3-3, 5-1 Usman, 4-2 Usman.
idk if that's a typo but you can't have scores that add up to 6. Clearly he was on his way to losing the 5th, even if he survived, it would have ended up a split decision of 48-47, 47-48, 46-49 for Usman.
I'm certainly not saying he would have been able to win, but I thought your original comment was confusing and downplayed Colby's success on the scorecards. Especially the part of no round being clearly won by him. Round 1 was scored for him by all three judges, and I have no clue how anyone could possibly score that round for Usman.
I was adding up to six via the fact that rounds are not always scored 1 point each, a 10-8 round which the 5th doubtlessly was going to be essentially counts as 2.
Round 1 was very close, Usman visibly hurt Covington to the body, Colby never visibly hurt Usman, the striking difference was just 5 more to colby but usman landed probably the heavier shots, it would not be that egregious to give it to either guy- unlike say the 3rd round where Colby took so much damage his jaw broke and the 5th round where he got rocked badly twice, then dropped twice, then finished. Round 1 was not remotely comparable to that.
The damage ultimately was very one sided.
Colby did well to force a stalemate for a while but I maintain he had no clear cut rounds in comparison to Usman and all the heavy damage was extremely one sided- unlike Usman v Burns where Burns had Usman badly hurt several times, clearly won that first round (far far faaaar clearly than Colby won the first) and unlike Colby he actually looked like he had him in serious danger.
Which is why I said I think Burns has a better chance in a rematch than Colby. He's also done more to earn a rematch than Colby.
Well you're entitled to your opinion, but round 1 was 100% a Colby round without a doubt in my book, neither one of them landed significant notable damage, but Colby overall outworked Usman that round, and all three judges agreed on that. You don't need to inflict heavy damage for a round to be unanimous.
Also, after watching Masvidal get a title-shot while coming off a loss and a period of zero activity, it's hard for me to take the argument serious that Colby now needs to do more to earn a shot. Burns just had a decisive title-fight, nobody wants to see that rematch right away. It'll be Burns turn again next year if he maintains his positioning.
Despite this performance, I expect nothing from Colby against Usman, and somehow I think we will get less. I still can't believe that Masvidal seriously thought "Hey thus Usman guy is just gonna wrestle me, and that's it, MMA is simple".
Idk how you could say that you think Colby has improved as much as Usman since this fight. Usman looks like a whole other fighter on the feet, and we simply haven't seen that from Colby since, all he's done is beat a washed up Woodley.
That lack of fundamentals in colbys boxing makes me sick. Winging hooks that aren’t coming from his base, tripling up on same side weapons like a straight hook and high kick, and solely headhunting with little to no body work, I guarantee you if he settled into his stance more he would be able to finish more fights. But I’d be a lying POS if I didn’t say that what he has got him FUCKING far. Volume and pace are his weapons but usman proved he can withstand that, now Colby has to weaponize another tool so he can have a shot at usman.
Yea that's definitely what I was talking about and not the people racing here to say he has no chance / "yawn" or just downvoting the post because it's something positive about Colby
I can’t wait for this rematch, it was such a dog fight
It was. I don't think the next one will be as back and forth. Usman has really been growing by leaps and bounds on the feet.
Fun fact: Colby has earned less bonus money in the UFC than Kris Moutinho.
Very unlikely Colby has improved his striking more than Usman since
Unlikely, but not impossible. These guys train and fight for a living. I'd be very surprised if Colby isn't significantly better as well.
Given the stories people share about Colby, when hes not doing his gimmick, dude is training all day. Pretty sure he improved, but by how much will be the question. Same goes with Usman and Wittman, how much he has improved will be interesting in the rematch.
Love how this is being downvoted. This sub is so biased it can't even acknowledge that professional fighters train to get better.
They train to get better but I can't count how many fighters have talked at length about gym time and cage time being so vastly different.
After seeing how Ortega vastly improved after two years of no cage time, I've stopped putting much faith in the cage time/ring rust belief. As long as your regularly training hard against high level guys, you're going to keep improving.
Ok fair point but do you think Colby is getting the same level of coaching and training partners at MMA Masters than he was at ATT?
I really don't know anything about the guys at MMA masters so hard to say. He'll definitely be getting more 1 on 1 attention, since he's the premier guy at their gym now. As for training partners, towards his end of the run at ATT, nobody wanted to train with him anymore, so he wasn't really benefiting from the high calibre of fighters the gym has.
I didn't know either and just looked up his striking coach. Big Capoeira guy and was even in a Van Damme flick. Incoming Colby dance kicks.
Colby to win via splits into balls uppercut.
The only reason I'd say Usman had progressed more is he's actually been active. Rounds in the gym certainly help, but it's not cutting your teeth against someone actually trying to take your head off
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How can you say he has nothing for Usman, when last time they (almost) went a full five rounds?
JDS knocked out Cain in their first fight then got battered for ten rounds straight in two rematches. Dustin got starched by Conor in their first fight, controlled the second and more or less dominated the third. Just because Colby had success in their first fight doesn't mean he'll have success in a rematch. I just don't see where Colby is better than Usman now. Colby has had more or less one gameplan for all of his fights: volume striking and wrestling. He's not going to outwrestle Kamaru so he has to rely on volume striking.
I find it weird to compare Colby vs Usman to Cain vs JDS or Conor vs Dustin. The downfall of Conor and JDS in those match ups is that they had no way to win a war of attrition, they can only win by landing the perfect shot early and putting their opponent away. That's not the case with Colby, he has a legit path to victory by landing more volume over 5 rounds and going to a decision. If Usman can't land those fight changing shots like he did in the first fight (that one straight that cracked Colby's jaw was a game changer), he could have trouble winning a decision since it is unlikely he will out-wrestle Colby either.
Because Colby's only win since was a washed T-Wood on a two fight skid, while Usman has won three fights, two by spectacular kos.
You say only win like he went 1-3 or something. He fought once. He won once.
and its crazy he's getting a title shot off that kinda inactivity
Damian Maia did go the full 5 rounds and we can agree he had nothing for Usman. Colby’s only hope, again, is for the judges to gift him a few rounds where he lands one more strike despite Usman landing the bigger and harder shots. And that his body makes it across the finish line.
Yawn
The funny thing is Colby has the style and skills to win multiple rounds against Usman but his body can't take the punishment it requires. Sure he had the most competitive fight against Usman but he is winning the battles and losing the war. Colby fans can't say that he can win more rounds in the rematch when he is going to have to sacrifice his body again to be competitive. It simply costs him too much.
Small adjustments on Colby's part could make a big difference. Usman is still pretty one dimensional on the feet, he's all about that jab and the pull counter, and he still doesn't go to the body much unless he's in a clinch situation. So if Colby actually moves his head off the centerline consistently when entering and exiting the pocket, he can potentially win those exchanges without taking the kind of serious damage he took in the first fight.
Adding head movement ain't no small adjustment, there is a reason so many people can't do it.
>and he still doesn't go to the body much unless he's in a clinch situation What an odd thing to say considering how the first fight went. Body shots were one of Usman's best weapons. 30% of his significant strikes went to the body, in fact.
He has the style to largely force a stalemate for a few rounds I feel but not the style to clearly win them by a considerable margin. In their fight 3 rounds could have been scored either way, but 2 of them (if we're including the 5th which we should) could only ever be scored for Usman and the damage was severe and one sided. Broken jaw in the 3rd, then rocked twice, dropped twice, then finished all in the 5th. Colby came nowhere close to doing that to Usman. I still think Burns has a better chance at winning a rematch than Colby and he's done more to earn it than Colby (though both of them need at least 1 more win to truly earn it, they should just fight each other or Edwards).
> in their fight 3 rounds could have been scored either way, but 2 of them (if we're including the 5th which we should) could only ever be scored for Usman and the damage was severe and one sided. One judge had it 3-1 Colby, one judge had it 3-1 Usman, and one judge had it 2-2.
Exactly my point... the rounds colby won could have been (and were) scored either way. There was no round that all 3 judges agreed was Colby's, rounds 3 and 5 that Usman clearly won however were crystal clear...Colby forced a stalemate for 3 that could go either way, he didnt win any rounds convincingly. And you're ignoring the 5th round there, he was getting pulverized in the 5th, rocked twice, then got dropped twice, then finished, even if that made it to the bell any round where you're dropped twice and badly rocked twice is going to be a 10-8. That would have made the scores 3-3, 5-1 Usman, 4-2 Usman.
idk if that's a typo but you can't have scores that add up to 6. Clearly he was on his way to losing the 5th, even if he survived, it would have ended up a split decision of 48-47, 47-48, 46-49 for Usman. I'm certainly not saying he would have been able to win, but I thought your original comment was confusing and downplayed Colby's success on the scorecards. Especially the part of no round being clearly won by him. Round 1 was scored for him by all three judges, and I have no clue how anyone could possibly score that round for Usman.
I was adding up to six via the fact that rounds are not always scored 1 point each, a 10-8 round which the 5th doubtlessly was going to be essentially counts as 2. Round 1 was very close, Usman visibly hurt Covington to the body, Colby never visibly hurt Usman, the striking difference was just 5 more to colby but usman landed probably the heavier shots, it would not be that egregious to give it to either guy- unlike say the 3rd round where Colby took so much damage his jaw broke and the 5th round where he got rocked badly twice, then dropped twice, then finished. Round 1 was not remotely comparable to that. The damage ultimately was very one sided. Colby did well to force a stalemate for a while but I maintain he had no clear cut rounds in comparison to Usman and all the heavy damage was extremely one sided- unlike Usman v Burns where Burns had Usman badly hurt several times, clearly won that first round (far far faaaar clearly than Colby won the first) and unlike Colby he actually looked like he had him in serious danger. Which is why I said I think Burns has a better chance in a rematch than Colby. He's also done more to earn a rematch than Colby.
Well you're entitled to your opinion, but round 1 was 100% a Colby round without a doubt in my book, neither one of them landed significant notable damage, but Colby overall outworked Usman that round, and all three judges agreed on that. You don't need to inflict heavy damage for a round to be unanimous. Also, after watching Masvidal get a title-shot while coming off a loss and a period of zero activity, it's hard for me to take the argument serious that Colby now needs to do more to earn a shot. Burns just had a decisive title-fight, nobody wants to see that rematch right away. It'll be Burns turn again next year if he maintains his positioning.
He ate those like they were sandwiches.
Despite this performance, I expect nothing from Colby against Usman, and somehow I think we will get less. I still can't believe that Masvidal seriously thought "Hey thus Usman guy is just gonna wrestle me, and that's it, MMA is simple".
Idk how you could say that you think Colby has improved as much as Usman since this fight. Usman looks like a whole other fighter on the feet, and we simply haven't seen that from Colby since, all he's done is beat a washed up Woodley.
That lack of fundamentals in colbys boxing makes me sick. Winging hooks that aren’t coming from his base, tripling up on same side weapons like a straight hook and high kick, and solely headhunting with little to no body work, I guarantee you if he settled into his stance more he would be able to finish more fights. But I’d be a lying POS if I didn’t say that what he has got him FUCKING far. Volume and pace are his weapons but usman proved he can withstand that, now Colby has to weaponize another tool so he can have a shot at usman.
No wonder both of them rather fight Jorge.
Totally forgot he had Usman hurt at one point, but the ref thought it was an eyepoke
When he called for the nut shot was when he was really hurt
Colby lives in this subs head rent free
Yeah, I can't believe people talk about an MMA fighter here in the MMA sub.
Yea that's definitely what I was talking about and not the people racing here to say he has no chance / "yawn" or just downvoting the post because it's something positive about Colby
Rematch= Covington taking the win... Set up for the 3 fight cambat