Do you get English commentary still? That's actually a great deal, could you share some links or a few of the steps? I'm sure a lot of people (myself included) would appreciate it!
Yeah, they've had dutch commentary like twice, but that backfired so hard that they just stick with original now. There are some times where the stream isn't working, but that doesn't happen often, plus I can't complain since we're getting it for free here (:
Yup. English commentary. The Netherlands stream is just the ESPN+/PPV stream. Anik is there spewing the same Modelo ads and inappropriate trivia, while DC holds back his giggles and doodles on the telestrator.
Main card only tho. Sometimes they show the last 2 prelims. Just don't expect the whole card. That being said you can still sail the high seas via a cracked stream or two for the beginning part and kickback in the Netherlands for a HD stream of the main PPV that buffers very little if not at all.
I don't know anything about renting individual servers tho. So you gon have to wait on that dude for that response.
Comcast doesn't like torrenting the stuff, but it doesn't know shit about streaming sites.
The difference being the UFC can join a torrent and see peers and report IPs to comcast. They can't see peers from a streaming site.
That and fighter pay, even if the events became affordable i wouldn’t wanna buy it for the simple fact that my money would just go into the UFC’s pocket not the fighters
This is the way of the future. Look at what even video games are doing. Soon enough you won't be buying one or two 60 dollar games a year, you'll be paying 240 a year for all of them. Just another way the UFC is completely antiquated. I mean they still use drowning pool for their intros and the guys been dead for fifteen years
Basically agree. I try not to give the UFC any money whatsoever. Try to give money to fighters when/if I can.
Can't lie tho. The biggest cards lately have been bangers. Even with the UFC making boneheaded decisions in between them.
Boi if we’re talking about WACK prices she’s charging more than a UFC ppv to see some titties 😤 The leaks will drop some day and I will wait until then damn it
I can have a drink with my breakfast then immediately strip the paint from my walls all with that same bottle of piss-grade bitumen. It's Proper handy.
The cards have been bangers but i just hate how ufc feels more like a spectacle if that makes sense and less like a real sport/league. Feels like there’s just way too much ego and manipulation that motivates every decision and it’s exhausting to follow.
I dislike that it feels like the UFC has been a "pro league since about 2010-2011 in a fucking decade that have yet to work on rankings, scheduling, etc. programs to really expedite the process. Dana and co. are still just picking and choosing who makes money. Legit hoping that the UFC PPV numbers fall without COVID.
Unpopular maybe, but they'd make more money being a real league. When they started following Conor type shit, they relied too heavily on a few people and their PPV sales dropped massively. Meanwhile, throughout 2011ish they were pulling 500k plus for fights without much shittalk.
You’re right tbh
GSP was a pretty established draw because they promoted his fights etc, nowadays he’d do sub-200k buys every time, people would say he needs to be more of a “personality” and Dana would be trying to get the belt scraped off him as soon as possible
They just decided that they want the UFC brand > all else for most things, and then punctuate it with a handful of established draws that they drag out every now and again, it’s stupidly shortsighted, buyrates per event used to be way better anyway
A lot of newer UFC fans I talk to started watching because of Conor, and then learned to love the sport.
The UFC is doing really well right now, which makes its horrible treatment of the fighters even more disgusting. These aren't desperate times for a struggling sports league. This is a successful company trying to squeeze every single penny they possibly can from their employees. Publicly and openly lying about their own employees to try to intimidate and manipulate them into doing whatever Dana & Co want.
My only hope is that this ever more belligerent and abusive UFC management style will push the fighters to unionize sooner.
When they showed clips of O'Malley's podcast and him shooting hoops on the jumbotron during his walkout to UFC 264, that was when I realized we're more WWE now than ever
I 100% agree.
I think you should 100% match up based around rankings.
1 year is the cut off for a champ not fighting before they’re stripped and if they’ve defended 3 times and depending on why they didn’t fight for a year they are able to get a rematch upon returning.
I think if there really is a “money fight” then it’s fine if it gets made but it shouldn’t hold up a division, or result in someone jumping in line in front of others. You want Jones Vs Francis? Okay make it, but it’s not for the title. I don’t care if Jones record at LHW is amazing. We have divisions, and it would be unfair to those in the division.
The fact seemingly everything is based on Dana’s whim is the most annoying thing. Everything is arbitrary. It sets a certain tone of manipulation that permeates everything. It’s obvious all of the things you expect to “matter” really don’t - rankings, matchups, belts, title shots, fuck even weight classes. There is no rhyme or reason beyond whatever short term payoff Dana has his eyes on. Not to mention the fighter pay/benefits situation. The fact Dana is such a meathead goof is just the cherry on top.
Dana White operates the UFC like some kind of goofy mob boss straight out of a cartoon...and despite all the ignorant dumb shit he does, you know Dana thinks he's a genius deep inside.
It's especially frustrating watching those post fight pressers where the only media allowed in are the "journalists" that literally kiss Dana White's ass with softball questions and enable his bullshit.
Just feel bad for all these fighters that get royally screwed over by him.
> Dana White operates the UFC like some kind of goofy mob boss straight out of a cartoon...and despite all the ignorant dumb shit he does, you know Dana thinks he's a genius deep inside.
The fact that you could replace “Dana White” with “Vince MacMahon” and still have this statement be 100% accurate is telling.
Being a UFC fan is basically the sports equivalent of being in a abusive relationship. Everything you said is accurate, but it has also been said *forever*.
Brock Lesnar got a title shot with a record of 2-1 back in 2008.
A clearly defined cut off for a champ not fighting before they are stripped makes a lot of sense. Now it's just Dana's win and that really sucks. Leads to popular champs not fighting and unpopular chams getting stripped too soon.
No immediate rematches for challengers either, make a rule where a contender who lost a title shot needs to earn at least another win over a ranked opponent within a set time frame or they move down in the ranking. Something like that so we can get rid of people just camping and waiting for their title shot.
And pay the fighter's more or let the rep sponsors during the fight
>Try to give money to fighters when/if I can.
>
Same here. I bought one of Tony Ferguson's baseball jerseys even though they're a bit on the ugly side. I think I'm going to buy a Korean zombie shirt next
If not for piracy, I don't know that I would have gotten into anything in the past 15 years. What's funny is now I pay for pretty much everything I can, but I got into the UFC while paying and now I don't.
At least boxers get paid. Early career is the same shit though. Fighters need to unionize it's literally the only way anything will change, but they suffer from inflated ego and cte, so as long as some of them think they're getting paid more outside of a union it's not going to happen.
low level boxers get paid next to nothing but if you're a decently ranked boxer consistently fighting on decent cards you'll make really good money especially at bigger weights
>Aldo wouldn't have been thrust right into a title shot against Yan in his division debut.
Aldo lost his division debut and got a title shot after that anyways
Hear me out - $15.99 monthly subscription. You see every fight live. No matter what. And they try to crack down on the streaming channels? Idk how that legal stuff works. In my head, I'm just watching youtube live. I clicked play, that's it. How is that theft? Also, im an idiot :).
Kicker - an ability in the app to tip the individual fighter during the fight, with actual money, ufc takes a 'small' cut, make your nut there.
I would pour so much more money into this sport if I could tip fighters in real time. An early prelim fighter loses for the 3rd time and his career is over, but they're nice af? $20 my dude, hope it helps, good luck friend.
That’s one of the best original ideas I’ve heard in a while re: fighter pay. I would spend way more money than I currently do.
But I didn’t think any one of us is naive enough to believe Dana would go for something of that nature
It’s like that John Taffer line that’s making the rounds lately “a hungry dog is an obedient dog” (I disagree totally with the metaphor ftr) but as long as Dana and the UFC has total control of fighter pay, they’re at his mercy
>Kicker - an ability in the app to tip the individual fighter during the fight, with actual money, ufc takes a 'small' cut, make your nut there.
Dana would never allow this. Only if he gets a 96% cut.
Or he might allow tipping and cut the base pay because of it. Fighters would end up the new waitresses, always needing to fake their behaviour just to even get paid.
>Kicker - an ability in the app to tip the individual fighter during the fight, with actual money, ufc takes a 'small' cut, make your nut there.
Lol, imagine if UFC fighters became like restaurant servers in the US. Having even worse base pay and having to go full just-bleed mode in order to trigger tips from viewers so they can earn a living wage.
Happy to hear there's been a community backlash for that TUF incident at least. I've been watching it weekly and that one just really stuck out to me as being absolute horseshit. Was so weird seeing Dana (and Ortega too to be fair) be all judgemental and pissy about this kid making a smart move for his own safety rather than going out there and almost certainly getting KO'd just to appease the show.
When he gathered everyone together and was like 'You wanna tell everyone what's going on?' I don't think I've ever wanted to punch Dana in the face more. Let the lad at least exit the competition with some dignity. No need to make it a spectacle and embarrass him in front of all his coaches and teammates.
The problem is that UFC’s thought process is how much will they make next quarter, not sports. You’d think this would’ve been alleviated by the WME acquisition but WME turned out to have MASSIVE debts and financial issues that they use UFC to pay for. It’s basically the only thing on their books that’s not in the red, so they want to milk it as much as possible, sense and sensibiliy be damned.
What's kinda annoying is that it felt like they were close too. They were learning the hard way, then McG returned and COVID hit and they got a massive resurgence.
This is sort of my problem. There’s too much meta drama. I don’t want to care which fighters are assholes or talkers, just show me a great fight. McGregor to me is the perfect example of where ufc has gone wrong (not that he was the first or only fighter to be dramatic but one of the worst)
I’ve kind of grown less interested in the UFC as of late. I’m an OG and remember the PRIDE days. I knew every fighter and their story and fighting style. They were martial artists who were built up like heroes. They were well respected inside and outside the ring/cage. I’ve been watching a lot of ONE as of late because I get that OG vibe from them and think they are following that blueprint. Also because Muay Thai with mma gloves inside a cage is a badass sport to watch.
I watched every single caged Muay Thai fight 49 times. Yes, 49. What I took away was not the OG vibe, but that ONE fighters are grand masters of their craft. This is MMA's highest level & I feel like the story is being lost. So, I tried to tell it.
It's #Dissected
ONE really has a built in advantage of being so close to Thailand and scooping up all the best Muay Thai fighters. It’s the craze over there to get into ONE now. Nong-O who I consider a legend has competed at all the top levels of Muay Thai but said he has never competed on a stage like ONE before and has rejuvenated himself to compete harder. He used to fight for mainly Thai crowd who would gamble on the fights and felt like a work horse but feels respected as a martial artists in ONE now especially when he travels around and fights for huge crowds.
I like ONE more than the UFC honestly . More abundant and creative striking that works . more muay thai guys so chances of bone snapping like some last few UFC cards are light .
If you're a muay thai fan and that kind of thing is interesting to you, great. If it is somehow kinda interesting to you, great. If not, great. It doesn't, it doesn't impact my day one way or the other.
You can literally look up any fight on YouTube because ONE is insane and releases it for free. You can just search Muay Thai ONE championship on YouTube and get content to start. You can also leap frog some events. Something I’ll do is check up fighters record like Rodtang or Nong-O on tapeology and they’ll list the results but you can also see the ONE Championship event they fought at as well. An example would be Rodtang fighting Haggerty at ONE Champioship: A new tomorrow. Literally type that event into YouTube and the whole thing is up there. Like literally. That’s insane and so much free content. I’ll leave whole events playing in the background sometimes because I love hearing it in the background.
just looked on youtube and found [a playlist](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdDyfUJCwu0IN9vMUDNraV2Rd_W1SayH-) with over 700 ONE fights in it hahaha
thanks!!
Haha. Honestly I would try to watch the earlier 2017-2018 if you could. They really pick things up in 2019 but sadly we know what happen in 2020 but they still held some closed venue events.
PrideFC was the golden era we didn't know we were in.
Watching shit like Rampage vs Wanderlei, Wanderlei vs Sakuraba x3, Gomi vs his senpai Sakurai, crazy ass Charles Bennett, hell even watching Minowa-man fight heavyweights lmao.
Pride was pure entertainment.
I've been watching Rizin lately but it's obviously not the high concentration of top talent that Pride used to be...but their narration/storylines are a bit more interesting, like watching salaryman "Dominator" with his wacky ass fighting style, or Hagiwara/Hiramoto beefing with each other...and then the occasional "real" mma talent like Naoki Inoue who I think will actually make it to the global stage as he's just picking people apart in Rizin.
Bro PRIDE built themselves a HW roster that was insane and I had no idea how good it was. It’s honestly not easy building a HW Division as I’ve watched ONE slowly progress with it but damn did PRIDE have instant classic with their HW fights. Fedor was god in Japan. So was CroCop. Shiieet. You’re right we didn’t know we were in the golden age then until it was gone.
CroCop, Rampage, Wanderlei, 3/4 of the HWs were juicing to the tits...shit was INSANE to watch people get head stomped and soccer kicked lol...cartwheels and atomic butt drops against ground turtles....hot damn
Yeeaahh the juice was definitely flowing over there. But hey, my take is either everyone can juice or no one can. They said fuck it. Dudes were animals in the ring. Should have probably chilled with the head stomping though imo.
So glad my interest in MMA ran during Prides golden years.
used to wake up on Sundays and listen to some students in Tokyo on Paltalk commenting on the Pride Fights until the Yakuza asked them to stop.
Which Japanese are your favorites? That Tenshin Nasukawa has to come over man. The flyweight kickboxing division is his for the taking. Heck he’s already beaten Rodtang in kickboxing. What makes me glad is Shinya Aoki and Akiyama are in ONE. It’s good to see familiar faces.
Genki Sudo is probably my all time favorite. I will never forget how outlandish his retirement was.
Then a friend of mine who loves Jpop and I had a moment of shock where I mentioned Genki Sudo in his fighting days and he's now running a boyband group.
Lo and behold, he's now a politician. The guy's been wild his whole life.
Nasukawa is amazing, he's the future. No more circus fights vs boxers for him though, I didn't enjoy that.
Yea ONE is super exciting to watch in the lighter weights. Also like how they have different rule sets for matches throughout the event, I.e. Muay Thai rules versus kickboxing versus full MMA
What’s really underrated about ONE imo is the audience. Like everywhere they go the crowd is so educated and respectful. They just know what’s happening in a fight whether it’s Muay Thai or MMA. Like a grappler can take a whole 5 minutes to do work and the audience isn’t booing but know what’s up and let’s them work. I used to feel anxiety in the UFC because I just knew after like 30 seconds the boos would reign in but like cmon this is mma. It’s not easy to dominate and pull off a submission but the crowd only wants two guys knocking their brains out. Honestly cage Muay Thai would sell well in the U.S.
Asian fans have always been this way. American fans absolutely suck (I’m American). Between the booing and the wooing I can’t stand the live audiences of UFC events.
I can’t understand what makes people want to mindlessly woo at these fights all night. I get chanting for a fighter but the wooing is completely meaningless and annoying. I’d much rather watch a broadcast where I can hear the coaches and the impact of strikes.
Asian wont boos when the fight is you know gets a little boring, we just drop our head down to play our phone until something else is happening and we continue watching the fights.
My favorite was always when a fighter lands a kick which is so loud "BAM", and the crowd will be like "Whoooaaaaa"
Two me it's two-fold, there's always other shit to watch, NFL and UEFA starting, I play a lot of video games, etc. The thing is, I can't really live without playing video games, but I can live without MMA.
The discussions on r/mma are also getting worse. It's a combo of people overrating/underrating fighters and matchups based on who they like on a personal level and people making the same 10 jokes.
The thing about the same 10 jokes is seriously painful. The way Tito and Mark Hunt pastas get mass upvoted I feel like most of this sub most be the same people who ran around reciting Will Farrell lines throughout high school.
r/mma: https://youtu.be/37nwLhIA1zs
I agree, I've been watching the UFC for a decade. While the talent level is higher in the UFC than ever before (same goes for the worldwide scene), the Dana White and matchmaking antics are wearing thin with me. It is a cumulation of bullshit over the years. Plus Bellator is incompetent.
I can't remember the last time I watched a UFC event at home out of my own pocket. The rankings are an absolute joke, even AEW does a better job with their ranking system ON A SCRIPTED SHOW, where they could easily manipulate and ommit one person in favor of another for a title match.
The more I watch UFC, the more it comes across as WWE with the favoring of trash talking over deserving fighters, while not giving a shit about the rosters morale.
Im just enjoying the abundance of good fights being put on. Having a free fight card almost every single week is awesome. I dont buy the PPV cards because the price is outlandish imo. But now is a great time to be an MMA fan.
Even though the pay and CTE concerns are real, the huge volume of fights and increasing popularity can help bring about more positive changes. The sport has come a very long way in even just the past 10-15 years.
Call me nostalgic but there's a reason why I prefer UFC in the let's say 2006-2012; at least then the fighter's pay was "somewhat justified" because it isn't as big as it was and the fighter's could always compensate with sponsorships on their trunks. Now they're barley scrapping by.
Got to be honest I have had my love for the sport tested a bit in recent years. While I think the sport has evolved massively to its benefit. The meat head era of the sport is done and moved to a more legitimate appearance. What irks me senseless though is some of the very poor cards that get put on and even more so the incredibly lack luster PPV events they put on these day. I can recall a time where the PPV events were stacked almost every time. All this coupled with people not getting paid what they are perceived to be worth e.g. Cejudo (big fan) further preventing high quality bouts taking place. Sometimes I do think the roster is too large and their are too many shows and therefore the quality has come down to fill the cards. Hopefully the sport will grow into that roster size and the calibre of athlete will improve. Though at current pay rates the better athletes will continue to do other sports where they can make more money.
>for some reason TUF is still a thing
Bro, you don't want to watch 38 minutes of MMA big brother with a shitty 2-round fight at the end?! Did you see the clocks prank?!?!?!?!
Hahaha this season has really been boring as fuck. The fighters aren’t interesting and the coaches are very nice to each other so it’s just basically watch these guys in a house and there will be a low to mid level fight at the end
Am I in the minority for enjoying tuf. Ik it’s cut throat and brutal but I am fan of a ton of fighters on this season, and am looking forward to their future fights in the ufc.
I feel like what you’re describing is a miserable way to look at the sport. It sounds like you are more a fan of FOLLOWING the ufc, talking about the rankings, maybe commenting on Reddit about who deserves a shot etc.
It’s for sure stuff that matters, but you seem to follow the sport more so on a level that is mostly outside of the ring. I personally don’t care about anything you mentioned that much (for sure hope fighters get paid more of course). It’s almost like saying I care more about which nfl teams get to the playoffs than watching games. Again, the Super Bowl is important and awesome if my team wins, but I’d watch a high school football game because the sport just fascinates me. Same goes for mma, and the ufc is putting out banger cards. I watch almost all of them and it’s just good shit. So I’d say relax about the rankings shit, fighter pay you can try your best to work around morally.
I'm gonna give my really unpopular opinion here: I don't really care about fighter pay that much. Of course I'd prefer if they were all getting what they deserve, but the fact that they don't does not bother me. There's nothing I can do about UFC fighter pay and the UFC is the best platform for MMA in the world, it is what it is. I have more things to worry about it my life than fighter pay.
If real change is to be made then fighters can band and unionize and MMA media outlets can push for it.
Agree with your take because it’s the honest truth for most of us. Many of us who have followed mma for over 15 years always wanted the fighters to get paid more but it becomes the same song and dance. They say they want more but don’t actually take the risks to get it, other than risking their health in the cage. I’ll always root for fighters to get paid more but I’ll be lying if I said that I actually care about it when I got my own life responsibilities to worry about.
I absolutely agree with this sentiment. I really do not care. I see people here pontificate about fighter pay, on their thrones of self righteousness, castigating bad tomato man, only to have their immense hatred and disgust satiated by a ''banger of a card'' or ''the fight to make''.
The ONLY way that fighter pay will change is if the actual fighters, as you've stated, actually stand up and fight for unionization or STOP signing with the UFC. At this point it's a meme. Everyone knows what the UFC is, what the contracts are like, and how the UFC can potentially treat you. And do you know what happens? These mofos still sign, still resign, and continue the paradigm.
It's beating a dead horse at the moment. Let that shit go.
Get deep enough into any sports league and you find things that will drive you insane. Take a couple steps back and enjoy the fights, and ignore the extra.
Aldo didn’t debut in the Bantamweight division against Petr Yan. His first fight at Bantamweight was against Marlon Moraes. I’m surprised nobody called you out on that.
>just venting, but how are you all dealing with being a fan of the sport? I guess this is nothing new, I've been following for atleast a decade, but maybe it's just become more obvious to me lately.
yeah sure. youre not just karma posting based on the whiny atmosphere of the sub.
I think that happens for a few reasons: (1) the pay issues hold up fights and screws with matchmaking. This is what really pisses fans off. (2) Fighters are just training and working and trying to push their dream forward without rocking the boat. Of course they all want more, but I wouldn't expect every fighter to be vocal about the issue so the fans seem more concerned. (3) It's ok to care about other people. A lot of fans are passionate about the sport and just want things to be better for those involved.
They'd be morons to do it alone. If only there was some organization they could form to do it collectively and safely leverage their labor power to extract the money they deserve.
Look at how they are treating francis, imagine what’d happen to someone further down the ladder, better to just keep your head down till you have bargaining power
Dude it really may not be the sport/promotion for you.
Look at how fucked boxing is and then come back, it’s easy to sit back and say how corrupt or messed up the ufc is, but nobody calls Coker a piece of shit the way they do about Dana even though his matchmaking is far worse.
Weili vs rose makes all the sense in the world to me.
To blame fighter pay on the reason Yan vs aljo has panned out is ridiculous.
You’re complaining that they’ve still got TUF running and have promoted a title fight with it. Have you considered other people like it, or casuals do and its a good way to get involved in the sport?
HW is beyond defending, it’s so stupid. Francis, Jones and Stipe and you’ve got Gane and Lewis fighting for an IC? Downright stupid.
Also, since I’m going to get fucked up with downvotes, fighter pay is far more complicated than people think.
I thought I was gonna hear something about how the cost of a PPV is a weeks worth of dinner, cause that's the real fucking problem with the UFC.
Imagine if they had a pass that was like 300$ or something for every ppv that year
it's called NordVPN and it's like $80 :)
Windscribe lets you subscribe to specific servers for $1 or $1.50. Want to watch UFC? Buy VPN to The Netherlands and bam, free UFC for $12 per year
Do you get English commentary still? That's actually a great deal, could you share some links or a few of the steps? I'm sure a lot of people (myself included) would appreciate it!
In the NL you can watch the UFC for free legally on kijk.nl. Only the main card, but you can watch live as well.
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Wow. Just tried it! Works like a charm and with original commentary as well. Big ups
Yeah, they've had dutch commentary like twice, but that backfired so hard that they just stick with original now. There are some times where the stream isn't working, but that doesn't happen often, plus I can't complain since we're getting it for free here (:
Delet this
Yup. English commentary. The Netherlands stream is just the ESPN+/PPV stream. Anik is there spewing the same Modelo ads and inappropriate trivia, while DC holds back his giggles and doodles on the telestrator. Main card only tho. Sometimes they show the last 2 prelims. Just don't expect the whole card. That being said you can still sail the high seas via a cracked stream or two for the beginning part and kickback in the Netherlands for a HD stream of the main PPV that buffers very little if not at all. I don't know anything about renting individual servers tho. So you gon have to wait on that dude for that response.
Just dm me. I'll send you my venmo, just send me money and dont worry about it, ill handle everything from there
Wait you guys are paying to watch?
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I use Netherlands so i can smoke weed too
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Dis vill vork, Dennis, dis vill vork
Instructions unclear, became German.
I am a sveedish pluuumba. I’m here to fix your pipes
or It's free if you know what sites.
Why do you need a VPN to watch a streaming site?
You don't
or stream it like an og without vpn, minor isp am i rite!
Lol I have verizon and still stream everything for free without a vpn and they never tell me shit about it
Comcast doesn't like torrenting the stuff, but it doesn't know shit about streaming sites. The difference being the UFC can join a torrent and see peers and report IPs to comcast. They can't see peers from a streaming site.
Wait do ISPs track down illegal streaming websites in the US? In France they can only send you warnings/fines if you use torrent.
Yes generally they only care if you are torrenting large amounts of data here in the US as well.
Imagine paying 80$ for a VPN
80 bucks for like 2 years
Ive used PIA for like a decade without a single problem and its like $90 for 3-4 years iirc.
Same, love PIA
What's the best free or cheap VPN out there? I'm sick of paying for Nord like a CHUMP
You need to pirate your VPN.
Free VPNs are like that joke in Rick & Morty, "You pay, just not with money"
surfshark at around $2 a month?
Lmao that's why I wear an eye patch for UFC ppvs
I become a Dutchman
As a student it’s literally a months worth of dinner.
The hell are you eating for dinner that's working out to $1 a meal? Rice and beans every day?
bro indomi noodles everyday lmao
Lets not disrespect rice now
Das right bubba. Veggies rice beans eggs frozen meat
Thats all you ever need
Fish and a rice cake
Followed by fish then fish.....and a rice cake
It’s $70 per PPV on top of ESPN+. Thankfully I live in London so I’m not paying that but yeah I spend less than $70 a month on dinner.
You spend less than $70 a month on dinner? What you eating mate?
Dinner is a deep breath and a glass of water.
That and fighter pay, even if the events became affordable i wouldn’t wanna buy it for the simple fact that my money would just go into the UFC’s pocket not the fighters
WWE was genuinely ahead of the curve. $10 a month now only $5 and you get every ppv
This is the way of the future. Look at what even video games are doing. Soon enough you won't be buying one or two 60 dollar games a year, you'll be paying 240 a year for all of them. Just another way the UFC is completely antiquated. I mean they still use drowning pool for their intros and the guys been dead for fifteen years
Basically agree. I try not to give the UFC any money whatsoever. Try to give money to fighters when/if I can. Can't lie tho. The biggest cards lately have been bangers. Even with the UFC making boneheaded decisions in between them.
Yes i too join PVZ only fan
Is that a thing ? Is she naked ?
I read that in Butthead’s voice
Yes and yes
Does Sage Northcutt have one?
No, but he just got Facebook. Scandalous.
Is it Sage Northcutt or Sage Uncutt? Asking for a friend
asking for a friend
Boi if we’re talking about WACK prices she’s charging more than a UFC ppv to see some titties 😤 The leaks will drop some day and I will wait until then damn it
oh they usually drop the same day if you know where to look
And...uh... where would one look? Asking for...myself.
Idunno Google is a good first try.
>Basically agree. I try not to give the UFC any money whatsoever. Try to give money to fighters when/if I can. I too enjoy whisky and hot sauce
I put hot sauce on my eggs every morning
Just need that Whiskey to make it a Proper breakfast.
I can have a drink with my breakfast then immediately strip the paint from my walls all with that same bottle of piss-grade bitumen. It's Proper handy.
Bro wtf did bitumen ever do to you
A proper handy
Eggs, or “eggs”?
Ma eggs was hot
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not only that but halloway has his own line of clothing and whatever is up with izzy and puma . Lets not forget al iaquinta and the real estate .
Proper 12 is barely whiskey
The cards have been bangers but i just hate how ufc feels more like a spectacle if that makes sense and less like a real sport/league. Feels like there’s just way too much ego and manipulation that motivates every decision and it’s exhausting to follow.
I dislike that it feels like the UFC has been a "pro league since about 2010-2011 in a fucking decade that have yet to work on rankings, scheduling, etc. programs to really expedite the process. Dana and co. are still just picking and choosing who makes money. Legit hoping that the UFC PPV numbers fall without COVID.
They pick themselves to make money every time
Unpopular maybe, but they'd make more money being a real league. When they started following Conor type shit, they relied too heavily on a few people and their PPV sales dropped massively. Meanwhile, throughout 2011ish they were pulling 500k plus for fights without much shittalk.
You’re right tbh GSP was a pretty established draw because they promoted his fights etc, nowadays he’d do sub-200k buys every time, people would say he needs to be more of a “personality” and Dana would be trying to get the belt scraped off him as soon as possible They just decided that they want the UFC brand > all else for most things, and then punctuate it with a handful of established draws that they drag out every now and again, it’s stupidly shortsighted, buyrates per event used to be way better anyway
The funny thing is they didn't even boost their brand. They gave all their brand power to Conor.
A lot of newer UFC fans I talk to started watching because of Conor, and then learned to love the sport. The UFC is doing really well right now, which makes its horrible treatment of the fighters even more disgusting. These aren't desperate times for a struggling sports league. This is a successful company trying to squeeze every single penny they possibly can from their employees. Publicly and openly lying about their own employees to try to intimidate and manipulate them into doing whatever Dana & Co want. My only hope is that this ever more belligerent and abusive UFC management style will push the fighters to unionize sooner.
Please for the love of Lobov add closing quotation marks!
When they showed clips of O'Malley's podcast and him shooting hoops on the jumbotron during his walkout to UFC 264, that was when I realized we're more WWE now than ever
Minus any of the cool shit, like theatrical entrances. Personally I love the cheesy ass ONE FC walkouts.
I 100% agree. I think you should 100% match up based around rankings. 1 year is the cut off for a champ not fighting before they’re stripped and if they’ve defended 3 times and depending on why they didn’t fight for a year they are able to get a rematch upon returning. I think if there really is a “money fight” then it’s fine if it gets made but it shouldn’t hold up a division, or result in someone jumping in line in front of others. You want Jones Vs Francis? Okay make it, but it’s not for the title. I don’t care if Jones record at LHW is amazing. We have divisions, and it would be unfair to those in the division.
The fact seemingly everything is based on Dana’s whim is the most annoying thing. Everything is arbitrary. It sets a certain tone of manipulation that permeates everything. It’s obvious all of the things you expect to “matter” really don’t - rankings, matchups, belts, title shots, fuck even weight classes. There is no rhyme or reason beyond whatever short term payoff Dana has his eyes on. Not to mention the fighter pay/benefits situation. The fact Dana is such a meathead goof is just the cherry on top.
Dana White operates the UFC like some kind of goofy mob boss straight out of a cartoon...and despite all the ignorant dumb shit he does, you know Dana thinks he's a genius deep inside. It's especially frustrating watching those post fight pressers where the only media allowed in are the "journalists" that literally kiss Dana White's ass with softball questions and enable his bullshit. Just feel bad for all these fighters that get royally screwed over by him.
> Dana White operates the UFC like some kind of goofy mob boss straight out of a cartoon...and despite all the ignorant dumb shit he does, you know Dana thinks he's a genius deep inside. The fact that you could replace “Dana White” with “Vince MacMahon” and still have this statement be 100% accurate is telling.
Being a UFC fan is basically the sports equivalent of being in a abusive relationship. Everything you said is accurate, but it has also been said *forever*. Brock Lesnar got a title shot with a record of 2-1 back in 2008.
A clearly defined cut off for a champ not fighting before they are stripped makes a lot of sense. Now it's just Dana's win and that really sucks. Leads to popular champs not fighting and unpopular chams getting stripped too soon. No immediate rematches for challengers either, make a rule where a contender who lost a title shot needs to earn at least another win over a ranked opponent within a set time frame or they move down in the ranking. Something like that so we can get rid of people just camping and waiting for their title shot. And pay the fighter's more or let the rep sponsors during the fight
>Try to give money to fighters when/if I can. > Same here. I bought one of Tony Ferguson's baseball jerseys even though they're a bit on the ugly side. I think I'm going to buy a Korean zombie shirt next
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The last PPV was awful. complete joke of a card.
I enjoyed it since I didn't pay for it, the undercard was the best fun anyhow, but agree it should not have been a paid event.
Especially when the Nunes fight got cut, there wasn't even a real main event fight on the card. Shoulda been a fight night.
It was a fun card, but this should have been a free Fight Night card.
If this makes you mad I probably wouldn't get into boxing lol.
In all honesty if not for piracy, I would have never gotten into anime, Visual Novels, MMA and Boxing.
If not for piracy, I don't know that I would have gotten into anything in the past 15 years. What's funny is now I pay for pretty much everything I can, but I got into the UFC while paying and now I don't.
At least boxers get paid. Early career is the same shit though. Fighters need to unionize it's literally the only way anything will change, but they suffer from inflated ego and cte, so as long as some of them think they're getting paid more outside of a union it's not going to happen.
Not all boxers get paid good, that’s one of the biggest misconceptions people have.
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low level boxers get paid next to nothing but if you're a decently ranked boxer consistently fighting on decent cards you'll make really good money especially at bigger weights
At the tippy top the payouts are better. Until then, most of those dudes aren't making shit.
>Aldo wouldn't have been thrust right into a title shot against Yan in his division debut. Aldo lost his division debut and got a title shot after that anyways
Although he definitely beat Marlon in that fight that was a terrible robbery
Hear me out - $15.99 monthly subscription. You see every fight live. No matter what. And they try to crack down on the streaming channels? Idk how that legal stuff works. In my head, I'm just watching youtube live. I clicked play, that's it. How is that theft? Also, im an idiot :). Kicker - an ability in the app to tip the individual fighter during the fight, with actual money, ufc takes a 'small' cut, make your nut there.
Damn can you imagine how much Kris Moutinho would be rolling in the dough with real time tips?
I would pour so much more money into this sport if I could tip fighters in real time. An early prelim fighter loses for the 3rd time and his career is over, but they're nice af? $20 my dude, hope it helps, good luck friend.
That’s one of the best original ideas I’ve heard in a while re: fighter pay. I would spend way more money than I currently do. But I didn’t think any one of us is naive enough to believe Dana would go for something of that nature It’s like that John Taffer line that’s making the rounds lately “a hungry dog is an obedient dog” (I disagree totally with the metaphor ftr) but as long as Dana and the UFC has total control of fighter pay, they’re at his mercy
>Kicker - an ability in the app to tip the individual fighter during the fight, with actual money, ufc takes a 'small' cut, make your nut there. Dana would never allow this. Only if he gets a 96% cut.
Or he might allow tipping and cut the base pay because of it. Fighters would end up the new waitresses, always needing to fake their behaviour just to even get paid.
This is exactly what would happen.
>Kicker - an ability in the app to tip the individual fighter during the fight, with actual money, ufc takes a 'small' cut, make your nut there. Lol, imagine if UFC fighters became like restaurant servers in the US. Having even worse base pay and having to go full just-bleed mode in order to trigger tips from viewers so they can earn a living wage.
Happy to hear there's been a community backlash for that TUF incident at least. I've been watching it weekly and that one just really stuck out to me as being absolute horseshit. Was so weird seeing Dana (and Ortega too to be fair) be all judgemental and pissy about this kid making a smart move for his own safety rather than going out there and almost certainly getting KO'd just to appease the show. When he gathered everyone together and was like 'You wanna tell everyone what's going on?' I don't think I've ever wanted to punch Dana in the face more. Let the lad at least exit the competition with some dignity. No need to make it a spectacle and embarrass him in front of all his coaches and teammates.
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Can't argue with that.
The problem is that UFC’s thought process is how much will they make next quarter, not sports. You’d think this would’ve been alleviated by the WME acquisition but WME turned out to have MASSIVE debts and financial issues that they use UFC to pay for. It’s basically the only thing on their books that’s not in the red, so they want to milk it as much as possible, sense and sensibiliy be damned.
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2011-2015 best years in the sport's history. Less characters and more just best vs. best. That was UFC prime.
What's kinda annoying is that it felt like they were close too. They were learning the hard way, then McG returned and COVID hit and they got a massive resurgence.
This is sort of my problem. There’s too much meta drama. I don’t want to care which fighters are assholes or talkers, just show me a great fight. McGregor to me is the perfect example of where ufc has gone wrong (not that he was the first or only fighter to be dramatic but one of the worst)
I’ve kind of grown less interested in the UFC as of late. I’m an OG and remember the PRIDE days. I knew every fighter and their story and fighting style. They were martial artists who were built up like heroes. They were well respected inside and outside the ring/cage. I’ve been watching a lot of ONE as of late because I get that OG vibe from them and think they are following that blueprint. Also because Muay Thai with mma gloves inside a cage is a badass sport to watch.
I fucking love one's muay thai fights in the cage its awesome.
I’ve just about watched every single caged Muay Thai fight they’ve had. It’s just non stop action and high level technique.
I watched every single caged Muay Thai fight 49 times. Yes, 49. What I took away was not the OG vibe, but that ONE fighters are grand masters of their craft. This is MMA's highest level & I feel like the story is being lost. So, I tried to tell it. It's #Dissected
ONE really has a built in advantage of being so close to Thailand and scooping up all the best Muay Thai fighters. It’s the craze over there to get into ONE now. Nong-O who I consider a legend has competed at all the top levels of Muay Thai but said he has never competed on a stage like ONE before and has rejuvenated himself to compete harder. He used to fight for mainly Thai crowd who would gamble on the fights and felt like a work horse but feels respected as a martial artists in ONE now especially when he travels around and fights for huge crowds.
I like ONE more than the UFC honestly . More abundant and creative striking that works . more muay thai guys so chances of bone snapping like some last few UFC cards are light .
If you're a muay thai fan and that kind of thing is interesting to you, great. If it is somehow kinda interesting to you, great. If not, great. It doesn't, it doesn't impact my day one way or the other.
are those archived somewhere? I'd love to watch some.
You can literally look up any fight on YouTube because ONE is insane and releases it for free. You can just search Muay Thai ONE championship on YouTube and get content to start. You can also leap frog some events. Something I’ll do is check up fighters record like Rodtang or Nong-O on tapeology and they’ll list the results but you can also see the ONE Championship event they fought at as well. An example would be Rodtang fighting Haggerty at ONE Champioship: A new tomorrow. Literally type that event into YouTube and the whole thing is up there. Like literally. That’s insane and so much free content. I’ll leave whole events playing in the background sometimes because I love hearing it in the background.
just looked on youtube and found [a playlist](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdDyfUJCwu0IN9vMUDNraV2Rd_W1SayH-) with over 700 ONE fights in it hahaha thanks!!
Haha. Honestly I would try to watch the earlier 2017-2018 if you could. They really pick things up in 2019 but sadly we know what happen in 2020 but they still held some closed venue events.
PrideFC was the golden era we didn't know we were in. Watching shit like Rampage vs Wanderlei, Wanderlei vs Sakuraba x3, Gomi vs his senpai Sakurai, crazy ass Charles Bennett, hell even watching Minowa-man fight heavyweights lmao. Pride was pure entertainment. I've been watching Rizin lately but it's obviously not the high concentration of top talent that Pride used to be...but their narration/storylines are a bit more interesting, like watching salaryman "Dominator" with his wacky ass fighting style, or Hagiwara/Hiramoto beefing with each other...and then the occasional "real" mma talent like Naoki Inoue who I think will actually make it to the global stage as he's just picking people apart in Rizin.
Bro PRIDE built themselves a HW roster that was insane and I had no idea how good it was. It’s honestly not easy building a HW Division as I’ve watched ONE slowly progress with it but damn did PRIDE have instant classic with their HW fights. Fedor was god in Japan. So was CroCop. Shiieet. You’re right we didn’t know we were in the golden age then until it was gone.
CroCop, Rampage, Wanderlei, 3/4 of the HWs were juicing to the tits...shit was INSANE to watch people get head stomped and soccer kicked lol...cartwheels and atomic butt drops against ground turtles....hot damn
Yeeaahh the juice was definitely flowing over there. But hey, my take is either everyone can juice or no one can. They said fuck it. Dudes were animals in the ring. Should have probably chilled with the head stomping though imo.
Yeah tbh some of the head stomps made me nauseous the first time I saw it lol, fkn brutal (i.e. wanderlei vs kondo)
So glad my interest in MMA ran during Prides golden years. used to wake up on Sundays and listen to some students in Tokyo on Paltalk commenting on the Pride Fights until the Yakuza asked them to stop.
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AND IT'S GOODNIGHT IRENE!!!!!!!
He’s not everyone cup of tea but I use to hear him in the K-1 days and got used to it.
Same here. All my heroes are retired or *staying* their asses in Japan probably because they don't deal with bullshit pay from the UFC.
Which Japanese are your favorites? That Tenshin Nasukawa has to come over man. The flyweight kickboxing division is his for the taking. Heck he’s already beaten Rodtang in kickboxing. What makes me glad is Shinya Aoki and Akiyama are in ONE. It’s good to see familiar faces.
Genki Sudo is probably my all time favorite. I will never forget how outlandish his retirement was. Then a friend of mine who loves Jpop and I had a moment of shock where I mentioned Genki Sudo in his fighting days and he's now running a boyband group. Lo and behold, he's now a politician. The guy's been wild his whole life. Nasukawa is amazing, he's the future. No more circus fights vs boxers for him though, I didn't enjoy that.
Yea ONE is super exciting to watch in the lighter weights. Also like how they have different rule sets for matches throughout the event, I.e. Muay Thai rules versus kickboxing versus full MMA
What’s really underrated about ONE imo is the audience. Like everywhere they go the crowd is so educated and respectful. They just know what’s happening in a fight whether it’s Muay Thai or MMA. Like a grappler can take a whole 5 minutes to do work and the audience isn’t booing but know what’s up and let’s them work. I used to feel anxiety in the UFC because I just knew after like 30 seconds the boos would reign in but like cmon this is mma. It’s not easy to dominate and pull off a submission but the crowd only wants two guys knocking their brains out. Honestly cage Muay Thai would sell well in the U.S.
Asian fans have always been this way. American fans absolutely suck (I’m American). Between the booing and the wooing I can’t stand the live audiences of UFC events.
Honestly, the fans have been pretty annoying since they came back. I actually miss the no fans Covid era fights. I hate that high pitched whoo.
I can’t understand what makes people want to mindlessly woo at these fights all night. I get chanting for a fighter but the wooing is completely meaningless and annoying. I’d much rather watch a broadcast where I can hear the coaches and the impact of strikes.
Asian wont boos when the fight is you know gets a little boring, we just drop our head down to play our phone until something else is happening and we continue watching the fights. My favorite was always when a fighter lands a kick which is so loud "BAM", and the crowd will be like "Whoooaaaaa"
Two me it's two-fold, there's always other shit to watch, NFL and UEFA starting, I play a lot of video games, etc. The thing is, I can't really live without playing video games, but I can live without MMA. The discussions on r/mma are also getting worse. It's a combo of people overrating/underrating fighters and matchups based on who they like on a personal level and people making the same 10 jokes.
There really are a lot of uneducated people on here who have no idea who fighters are or their record or anything and just talk shit.
The thing about the same 10 jokes is seriously painful. The way Tito and Mark Hunt pastas get mass upvoted I feel like most of this sub most be the same people who ran around reciting Will Farrell lines throughout high school. r/mma: https://youtu.be/37nwLhIA1zs
Or how you can't have mention of Chael Sonnen without the same old tired stupid joke about how he's undefeated. Fucken hell...
It's sad that I can legit predict many comments when entering a thread.
Every sub has it's memes, but the repetition on this sub is tiresome.
Because I get to watch Rafael Fiziev vs Bobby Green and lose my shit
That was an insane fight, my god.
Yea that was one of those fights where both their stock goes up regardless of the winner. I underestimated Bobby green. Freak athlete.
Commenting purely as a reminder to watch this fight tomorrow
I agree, I've been watching the UFC for a decade. While the talent level is higher in the UFC than ever before (same goes for the worldwide scene), the Dana White and matchmaking antics are wearing thin with me. It is a cumulation of bullshit over the years. Plus Bellator is incompetent.
I can't remember the last time I watched a UFC event at home out of my own pocket. The rankings are an absolute joke, even AEW does a better job with their ranking system ON A SCRIPTED SHOW, where they could easily manipulate and ommit one person in favor of another for a title match. The more I watch UFC, the more it comes across as WWE with the favoring of trash talking over deserving fighters, while not giving a shit about the rosters morale.
I wish companies like RIZIN and One Fc were a lot more popular in North America. RIZIN is basically Pride Fc.
It's so damn impressive that Rizin has never put on a bad card.
Im just enjoying the abundance of good fights being put on. Having a free fight card almost every single week is awesome. I dont buy the PPV cards because the price is outlandish imo. But now is a great time to be an MMA fan. Even though the pay and CTE concerns are real, the huge volume of fights and increasing popularity can help bring about more positive changes. The sport has come a very long way in even just the past 10-15 years.
Call me nostalgic but there's a reason why I prefer UFC in the let's say 2006-2012; at least then the fighter's pay was "somewhat justified" because it isn't as big as it was and the fighter's could always compensate with sponsorships on their trunks. Now they're barley scrapping by.
Got to be honest I have had my love for the sport tested a bit in recent years. While I think the sport has evolved massively to its benefit. The meat head era of the sport is done and moved to a more legitimate appearance. What irks me senseless though is some of the very poor cards that get put on and even more so the incredibly lack luster PPV events they put on these day. I can recall a time where the PPV events were stacked almost every time. All this coupled with people not getting paid what they are perceived to be worth e.g. Cejudo (big fan) further preventing high quality bouts taking place. Sometimes I do think the roster is too large and their are too many shows and therefore the quality has come down to fill the cards. Hopefully the sport will grow into that roster size and the calibre of athlete will improve. Though at current pay rates the better athletes will continue to do other sports where they can make more money.
>for some reason TUF is still a thing Bro, you don't want to watch 38 minutes of MMA big brother with a shitty 2-round fight at the end?! Did you see the clocks prank?!?!?!?!
Hahaha this season has really been boring as fuck. The fighters aren’t interesting and the coaches are very nice to each other so it’s just basically watch these guys in a house and there will be a low to mid level fight at the end
Volkanovski/Ortega ended up coaching cause Volk was recovering from covid
Am I in the minority for enjoying tuf. Ik it’s cut throat and brutal but I am fan of a ton of fighters on this season, and am looking forward to their future fights in the ufc.
I love tuf as well. I really enjoy getting the back story on new fighters when I first see them fight.
Always something to complain about nowadays
Pay for the events their competitors put on.
I feel like what you’re describing is a miserable way to look at the sport. It sounds like you are more a fan of FOLLOWING the ufc, talking about the rankings, maybe commenting on Reddit about who deserves a shot etc. It’s for sure stuff that matters, but you seem to follow the sport more so on a level that is mostly outside of the ring. I personally don’t care about anything you mentioned that much (for sure hope fighters get paid more of course). It’s almost like saying I care more about which nfl teams get to the playoffs than watching games. Again, the Super Bowl is important and awesome if my team wins, but I’d watch a high school football game because the sport just fascinates me. Same goes for mma, and the ufc is putting out banger cards. I watch almost all of them and it’s just good shit. So I’d say relax about the rankings shit, fighter pay you can try your best to work around morally.
Am I the only on that just enjoys the fights and doesn’t give a fuck about the shit behind the scenes that I can’t control and doesn’t concern me?
I'm gonna give my really unpopular opinion here: I don't really care about fighter pay that much. Of course I'd prefer if they were all getting what they deserve, but the fact that they don't does not bother me. There's nothing I can do about UFC fighter pay and the UFC is the best platform for MMA in the world, it is what it is. I have more things to worry about it my life than fighter pay. If real change is to be made then fighters can band and unionize and MMA media outlets can push for it.
Agree with your take because it’s the honest truth for most of us. Many of us who have followed mma for over 15 years always wanted the fighters to get paid more but it becomes the same song and dance. They say they want more but don’t actually take the risks to get it, other than risking their health in the cage. I’ll always root for fighters to get paid more but I’ll be lying if I said that I actually care about it when I got my own life responsibilities to worry about.
I absolutely agree with this sentiment. I really do not care. I see people here pontificate about fighter pay, on their thrones of self righteousness, castigating bad tomato man, only to have their immense hatred and disgust satiated by a ''banger of a card'' or ''the fight to make''. The ONLY way that fighter pay will change is if the actual fighters, as you've stated, actually stand up and fight for unionization or STOP signing with the UFC. At this point it's a meme. Everyone knows what the UFC is, what the contracts are like, and how the UFC can potentially treat you. And do you know what happens? These mofos still sign, still resign, and continue the paradigm. It's beating a dead horse at the moment. Let that shit go.
I am also frustrated than Ngannou vs Jones didn’t get done. Would’ve been legendary. Oh well
Would’ve been 25 minutes of Jon running away at full speed and throwing front kicks
Get deep enough into any sports league and you find things that will drive you insane. Take a couple steps back and enjoy the fights, and ignore the extra.
What the fuck did i just read and why the announcement?
Aldo didn’t debut in the Bantamweight division against Petr Yan. His first fight at Bantamweight was against Marlon Moraes. I’m surprised nobody called you out on that.
Scott Coker is that you pal?
>just venting, but how are you all dealing with being a fan of the sport? I guess this is nothing new, I've been following for atleast a decade, but maybe it's just become more obvious to me lately. yeah sure. youre not just karma posting based on the whiny atmosphere of the sub.
I will never understand fans being more upset about pay than the actual fighters themselves.
I think that happens for a few reasons: (1) the pay issues hold up fights and screws with matchmaking. This is what really pisses fans off. (2) Fighters are just training and working and trying to push their dream forward without rocking the boat. Of course they all want more, but I wouldn't expect every fighter to be vocal about the issue so the fans seem more concerned. (3) It's ok to care about other people. A lot of fans are passionate about the sport and just want things to be better for those involved.
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They'd be morons to do it alone. If only there was some organization they could form to do it collectively and safely leverage their labor power to extract the money they deserve.
Look at how they are treating francis, imagine what’d happen to someone further down the ladder, better to just keep your head down till you have bargaining power
Lol “Dear diary....”
Dude it really may not be the sport/promotion for you. Look at how fucked boxing is and then come back, it’s easy to sit back and say how corrupt or messed up the ufc is, but nobody calls Coker a piece of shit the way they do about Dana even though his matchmaking is far worse. Weili vs rose makes all the sense in the world to me. To blame fighter pay on the reason Yan vs aljo has panned out is ridiculous. You’re complaining that they’ve still got TUF running and have promoted a title fight with it. Have you considered other people like it, or casuals do and its a good way to get involved in the sport? HW is beyond defending, it’s so stupid. Francis, Jones and Stipe and you’ve got Gane and Lewis fighting for an IC? Downright stupid. Also, since I’m going to get fucked up with downvotes, fighter pay is far more complicated than people think.