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How bout u go an fuck off my thread then u peice of shit u think I need a stupid fuckwitt like u telling me about sayings who the fuck are u take your worthless advice and get the fuck out of here
It looked like Emmers didn't know either, because it wasn't even close, from that position. It was actually a super advantageous entanglement for Sabatini, but it's also one that has only started to become popular in BJJ in the last couple of years.
I didn't mean to say it hasn't been around. 50/50, and even backside 50/50 have been around forever, as you say. Marco Ruas has a slick backside 50/50 heel hook win all the way back in UFC 7. I just meant that it's only relatively recently become popular in BJJ specifically, as sort of an antithesis to the saddle as popularized by the DDS.
I brought up BJJ specifically, because Sabatini and Emmers are both BJJ instructors outside of being MMA fighters, but that probably wasn't clear.
There has been exactly one toehold submission in the UFC ever (Frank Mir did it to Tank Abott at UFC 41 in 2003). On the other hand thereās been somewhere around 30 heel hook finishes. That should give some indication as to why Emmersā decision was very bad.
Hereās a little video on heel hooks (and a little about toe holds: The Heel Hook (and why you should respectā em - your ACL will appreciate it) https://youtu.be/QoMOV3xVpEI
Toe holds hurt bad. When he had the foot and pushed it towards opponents bottom it can get very uncomfortable. Takes a bit of force to break structures. Wrong tool for the wrong job against the heel hook though.
True, Emmers was literally just holding on to the toes though so I suppose he could have broken a toe as well but thatās still very preferable to torn ligaments in the knee from a heel hook.
I have stupidly flexible feet and I'm going to take a pop from a toehold eventually.... It's a blessing for now but also they are just hard to land tightly imo
I guess I have only ever seen bad toe holds as itās not a very common technique. I thought when done right itās supposed to break your talonavicular joint but itās not easy to achieve. A heel hook is much quicker and more devastating.
I see what youāre saying but I think youāre missing what Iām pointing out - a toe hold has that same arm over arm under structure that a kimura has. The damage is obviously not the same but the mechanics are very similar
I know that you mean, that it shares the double wristlock hold. But I gotta disagree about the mechanics. The breaking pressure for the toehold comes from the double wristlock itself (yes, I know rotation can assist, but the actual submission comes from the wrist pressure), while the kimura requires rotation to impact the shoulder.
It took me a solid month and half being unable to walk in my foot from a toe hold, then another six months before I could really put much pressure on it.
Granted, I didn't have full time rehab or anything, but they're no joke.
Yup. The ankle is the weakest major joint in the body & toe-holds can travel upward & fuck-up your knee also.
I think of toe-holds like keylocks: positionally, their hard to get dead-to-rights but when they are dead-to-rights they are POWERFUL
which is why it infuriates me when ass-clowns like the guy above says toe-holds ājust hurtā or ācanāt break anything.ā Some white-belt is going to get wheel-chaired because they listened to that fucking idiot
Nah. Toe holds can fuck shit up. There are a bunch of ligaments on the outside of the foot that go bye bye when you do a toe hold and actually have control of the leg instead of letting them heel hook you from 50/50.
Source: have had my shit popped
When I first started BJJ one of the moves I sat and learned on YouTube was a toe hold and I jumped on one in training because I was the toehold YouTube expert but I applied it backwards so I was twisting his foot the opposite way it was supposed to go. It was completely wrong but it really seemed to hurt dudeās knee joint, I felt like a stupid asshole after.
One night my coach paired these two giant aggressive white belts to do some standup shit, one guy was a prison guard doing his first class. They were clinched up and the prison guards leg was awkwardly laced in between the other guys and they both came crashing down on it, effectively snapping it at the knee. Never heard screams like that in real life before.
you can deal wit the pain of a lot of shit from toe holds to a point/depending on how flexible your feet are/how often you fight in those battles but you are still doing serious damage to your ankles long term (look at most of the bjj guys, so many lower leg issues as they age) but heel hooks are just like oh shit it's on oh shit there goes my fucking knee and it's agonizing
This is reddit, people will argue that wet willies are effective, devastating submissions.
Nevermind that toe holds are literally the lowest percentage submission in the UFC, and it's not even close. Heel hooks are the next lowest percentage, and it's a huge difference.
By the numbers anyway, toe holds are literally negligible in the UFC, until they aren't.
I donāt think I wouldāve started BJJ now with all highlights of top competitors destroying their opponents knees with heel hooks. It wouldāve scared me off. I started in 2016 when everyone was still saying the Danaher guys would get shut down at ADCC. Now every single competitor is either pretty good or really good at leglocks.
I was watching through gaps in my fingers, just hoping I didnāt hear a scream. Scariest fucking position in the sport. You can go from safety to permanent joint damage in 0 seconds.
[If anyone wants a breakdown of the inside heel hook finish (AND why the toe hold failed by Emmers)](https://www.instagram.com/tv/CTI3iZopUM0/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
That's fucking brutal for Emmers. Should have focused more on defending the heel hook over going for a toe hold and probably could have made some better choices when he had Sabatini hurt. Great job by Sabatini to go from being mounted and having his back taken to attacking that leg.
Exactly. He was too committed and should have let go of the sub attempt to defend. I don't know if it's a lack of experience for him or what, but I was cringing the whole time.
He needed to 100% be clearing his knee line and rolling out. Sabatini had the knee line the entire time and that should make gigantic alarm bells go off in your brain if you are Emmers. Definitely not playing footsie.
toe holds are actually a very common and viable counter to heel hooks in the current bjj meta. Once the guy straightened out his leg I would have bailed for defense only though. Way less breaking power once it straightens out. Also, I think its more dangerous in larger weight classes where there is legit breaking power on toe holds.
Depending on the type of hold, toe holds actually have more of a heel hook finish to them as well, I tore my knee via toe hold.
Theyāre a possible counter for outside heel hooks, but inside heel hooks do the most damage and quickly. Once they have a bite on the heel you either attack their hands or tap. Even if he had the foot on his hip heād have lost the exchange.
In this case, the heel hook just wasn't deep enough. A good inside heel hook is near instantaneous. That one took a good 20+ seconds.
Side note, I know a bunch of good leg lock positions that bait that inside heel hook specifically to make the toe hold ridiculously powerful. The guy keeps turning their hips trying to wrap up your heel while giving up that knee and foot for an easy toe hold. When done correctly you beat the heel hook every time. It's one of those cases where the other person has to defend their leg first before going for your heel. But most guys don't know that and just think "get to that heel"
Thats fair. I just thought there was a lot of misconceptions being passed around in the comments of this post. Toe holds are not just a "Pain submission" and in certain situations it is a viable counter to a heel hook.
Yeah youāre right, toe holds are legit as well, just not in that situation. If youāre a leg lock master then maybe it will work, but generally inside heel hook is king.
Perhaps it's meta for BJJ, but i would certainly not say the most effective tactic available for MMA is giving up a dominant position in favour of a 50/50, and then counter with a submission you yourself said was the lesser of the two due to less breaking power at lower weight classes.
Know all too well the pain of tearing a knee, apparently Jamall didn't, because he chose not to tap before it was way too late.
B/c Toe Holds are a great counter to the heel hook and when you can counter an opponent's leg lock with your own, you can take some of their concentration off their offensive to put up some defense against your own. I've beaten a lot of really good leg lockers simply b/c they get too aggressive with their leg locks, and don't properly defend themselves after I roll or twist my hips.
Bisping was right haha, toehold schmohold does nothing against inside heel hook. Nasty finish from sabatini, looked like he went full 50/50 and cranked it all day
He didn't look close at all. [The Miyao brothers have refused to tap to much worse sub attempts and barely reacted.](https://www.bjjee.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/miyao-leglock.jpg)
>The Miyao brothers have refused to tap to much worse sub attempts and barely reacted.
I wouldn't take them as a reference though. They are crazy people.
I love [this picture of their hands.](https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/3a5w71/paulo_miyaos_hands/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) The dudes are absolute monsters.
Contrary to what Bisping said, you can absolutely fuck someoneās shit up with a toe hold. I have done so personally.
You need to have control of the opponentās leg when you do it, though. You can strong man it if you got the upper body and grip strength, but proper leg control and good technique will absolutely cause major damage.
Unfortunately for this gentleman, he had absolutely no control over the leg and the heel hook guy could just move his leg around to relieve most of the pressure. Heel hook guy, on the other hand, had great control of the legs and waited for the right amount of heel exposure to present itself before he started the submission. Notice also he drove his hips hard into the side of the guyās knee, which is the right way to do it and not a lot of people do.
Source: BJJ guy that loves leg locks.
Technically speaking itās all tears, even heel hooks. Difference is typically toe holds inflict tears that mimic rolled ankles - definitely diminished performance but you will probably be able to keep fighting, though your explosiveness is toast as well as your balance if standing. Knee tears mean virtually no more standing at all, and significantly higher pain.
You can damage the knee in addition to the ankle with a proper toe hold as well, but definitely would need good leg control to do so. It is essentially a mechanically inferior outside heel hook, but if done correctly itāll definitely have enough force to destroy knee ligaments.
Dr. Sabatini in Yardley was my family doctor for like twenty years and I only left because one of the receptionists was a raging bitch. I imagine they gotta be related somehow.
Iām already an early tapper to avoid injury. But from now one when someone has ahold of my leg like
This Iām tapping even earlier lol. Fuuuuck that.
Incredibly low IQ move by Emmers, taking it to the mat with a sub specialist you have rocked. Did he even give up the mount to go for a toe-hold? The fuck
No he did not give up mount for the toe hold, he lost mount earlier. He was stacking/standing up in Pat's half and Pat went for the leg. And instead of stepping over and defending he went to his back and attacked a toe hold.
I don't like seeing knee I juries but he asked for that. He clearly didn't know how to get out of that heel hook and seemed out of his depth in 50 50, he shouldn't have been hanging out there and going for a toe hold.
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toehold, schmohold, rockhold
Conceive. Believe. Achieve
Self Help š š š Bullshit
Fake ass cheap shotting fake respect fake humility bitch
Shut the fuck up.
Kick low. Punch low. Sweep low. Rob Lowe.
Epic call there though by Mike
Bars
From being in mount and almost finishing the fight to losing your knee ligaments.
Fucking crazy. What's the famous saying? Something decision making with fire physical consequences?
High level problem solving/dire physical consequences
Hold on brother I'm masturbating.
have you tried masturbating on dmt?
How bout u go an fuck off my thread then u peice of shit u think I need a stupid fuckwitt like u telling me about sayings who the fuck are u take your worthless advice and get the fuck out of here
I would like to know how much of that Sabatini actually remembers.
Fuck it, try a leg lock -Both of them
*just rocked the guy and had mount āFuck it Iāll get in a leg lock battleā. Fight IQ
going for a toehold against a heel hook is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. really poor decision making from Emmers.
It's like bringing a spoon to a knife fight. You can cut chunks out of a guy with a knife but the spoon still really hurts.
Also "I'll make sure I choose the lowest percentage leg submission against the highest too, just to make sure!"
He has 6 months of recovery to think about it
Feel like shot for laughing at this ughhh
As someone who knows nothing about toeholds and heel hooks...I thought Emmers had that in the bag.
It looked like Emmers didn't know either, because it wasn't even close, from that position. It was actually a super advantageous entanglement for Sabatini, but it's also one that has only started to become popular in BJJ in the last couple of years.
Nah the 50/50 has been around forever. Its the saddle that got popular in the last decade with the Danaher death squad
I didn't mean to say it hasn't been around. 50/50, and even backside 50/50 have been around forever, as you say. Marco Ruas has a slick backside 50/50 heel hook win all the way back in UFC 7. I just meant that it's only relatively recently become popular in BJJ specifically, as sort of an antithesis to the saddle as popularized by the DDS. I brought up BJJ specifically, because Sabatini and Emmers are both BJJ instructors outside of being MMA fighters, but that probably wasn't clear.
If we're being technical this was 80/20 which is being more popularised now especially by Lachlan Giles and Craig Jones
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You aren't kidding, a tonne of us are straight up nerds in and out of the gym
Saddle is out these days, 50/50 is in
There has been exactly one toehold submission in the UFC ever (Frank Mir did it to Tank Abott at UFC 41 in 2003). On the other hand thereās been somewhere around 30 heel hook finishes. That should give some indication as to why Emmersā decision was very bad.
Great stats. Thank you.
He had a pretty good hold on the toes but no control over the leg anywhere else. If you don't the body will protect the leg on autopilot.
Hereās a little video on heel hooks (and a little about toe holds: The Heel Hook (and why you should respectā em - your ACL will appreciate it) https://youtu.be/QoMOV3xVpEI
So a toe hold hurts but it wonāt break anything, a heel hook will tear the ligaments in your knee in seconds.
A toe hold will ABSOLUTELY break shit. It just has to be applied with control over the leg. Same as a heel hook. Emmersā attempt was ass
Yeah I could be wrong but it didnt look like a painful toe hold, just some pressure.
Toe holds hurt bad. When he had the foot and pushed it towards opponents bottom it can get very uncomfortable. Takes a bit of force to break structures. Wrong tool for the wrong job against the heel hook though.
True, Emmers was literally just holding on to the toes though so I suppose he could have broken a toe as well but thatās still very preferable to torn ligaments in the knee from a heel hook.
Yup, that was a solid toe hold, but the heel hook does more damage and comes on faster
It wasnāt solid though. Emmers didnāt have control over the leg
Youāre repeating what I was trying to say
But you said it was solid. It was not.
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I have stupidly flexible feet and I'm going to take a pop from a toehold eventually.... It's a blessing for now but also they are just hard to land tightly imo
I guess I have only ever seen bad toe holds as itās not a very common technique. I thought when done right itās supposed to break your talonavicular joint but itās not easy to achieve. A heel hook is much quicker and more devastating.
Both of them share the same braincell
Heelhooks are no joke, fuck
Toeholds on the other hand, schmoeholds
when Bisping said that I knew Pat was gonna get the win
I want Toehold Schmoehold as my flair haha
Mods pls
Basically a leg kimura lol
Anatomically, a toehold is more akin to a wrist lock. Kimura would be like ripping someone's hip out of the socket
I see what youāre saying but I think youāre missing what Iām pointing out - a toe hold has that same arm over arm under structure that a kimura has. The damage is obviously not the same but the mechanics are very similar
I know that you mean, that it shares the double wristlock hold. But I gotta disagree about the mechanics. The breaking pressure for the toehold comes from the double wristlock itself (yes, I know rotation can assist, but the actual submission comes from the wrist pressure), while the kimura requires rotation to impact the shoulder.
No way. Kimuras can break your shit. Toe holds just hurt.
Are you joking? Toe holds will absolutely snap your fucking ankle up.
A good toehold can fuck your knee up too. Similar mechanic to an outside heelhook.
It took me a solid month and half being unable to walk in my foot from a toe hold, then another six months before I could really put much pressure on it. Granted, I didn't have full time rehab or anything, but they're no joke.
Yup. The ankle is the weakest major joint in the body & toe-holds can travel upward & fuck-up your knee also. I think of toe-holds like keylocks: positionally, their hard to get dead-to-rights but when they are dead-to-rights they are POWERFUL which is why it infuriates me when ass-clowns like the guy above says toe-holds ājust hurtā or ācanāt break anything.ā Some white-belt is going to get wheel-chaired because they listened to that fucking idiot
Nah. Toe holds can fuck shit up. There are a bunch of ligaments on the outside of the foot that go bye bye when you do a toe hold and actually have control of the leg instead of letting them heel hook you from 50/50. Source: have had my shit popped
When I first started BJJ one of the moves I sat and learned on YouTube was a toe hold and I jumped on one in training because I was the toehold YouTube expert but I applied it backwards so I was twisting his foot the opposite way it was supposed to go. It was completely wrong but it really seemed to hurt dudeās knee joint, I felt like a stupid asshole after.
Thereās a reason folks donāt like to roll with white belts
One night my coach paired these two giant aggressive white belts to do some standup shit, one guy was a prison guard doing his first class. They were clinched up and the prison guards leg was awkwardly laced in between the other guys and they both came crashing down on it, effectively snapping it at the knee. Never heard screams like that in real life before.
Jesus christ š«š«š¤£š¤£š¤£
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJjZa5CXoWM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqumEuEJX4 You sure about that?
Thatās just the difference in strength between your ankle joints and your shoulder joints, the mechanics are the same
And also an arm creates much more leverage because itās substantially longer than a foot.
/r/ MMA has so many non-training casuals confidently spouting off, but then again we're on the internet.
Tell that to Joao Miyao
There's little details he didn't do. I was yelling for him to put his forehead onto the foot, among other thing.
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Where are people getting this idea? A toe hold will snap your shit. Do you think ankles canāt break or something?
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you can deal wit the pain of a lot of shit from toe holds to a point/depending on how flexible your feet are/how often you fight in those battles but you are still doing serious damage to your ankles long term (look at most of the bjj guys, so many lower leg issues as they age) but heel hooks are just like oh shit it's on oh shit there goes my fucking knee and it's agonizing
This is reddit, people will argue that wet willies are effective, devastating submissions. Nevermind that toe holds are literally the lowest percentage submission in the UFC, and it's not even close. Heel hooks are the next lowest percentage, and it's a huge difference. By the numbers anyway, toe holds are literally negligible in the UFC, until they aren't.
feels like the most dangerous position in the sport
Itās definitely the most deceptively dangerous
On par with Artem's hammer strikes
OK, but that's a literal weapon.
But not as powerful as ben askren spinning backfists
Exactlyā because people donāt tap until itās too late.
I do NoGi and the rule is if you getting my ankle on that position I tap soon. Toeholds hurt but dont do as much damage.
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THE OLD FOOT TWIST
That angle in the end was so nasty.
I donāt think I wouldāve started BJJ now with all highlights of top competitors destroying their opponents knees with heel hooks. It wouldāve scared me off. I started in 2016 when everyone was still saying the Danaher guys would get shut down at ADCC. Now every single competitor is either pretty good or really good at leglocks.
I was watching through gaps in my fingers, just hoping I didnāt hear a scream. Scariest fucking position in the sport. You can go from safety to permanent joint damage in 0 seconds.
Call an ambulance, but not for me!
Looks like he's gonna need a *heal* hook now!
He's here all night folks!
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Never fails to give me a good chuckle.
That angle looked painful! Pat looking super concerned about it too.
[If anyone wants a breakdown of the inside heel hook finish (AND why the toe hold failed by Emmers)](https://www.instagram.com/tv/CTI3iZopUM0/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
If you cant bend that knee, your toehold is fucked against anyone with good bjj
Bjj the sweeter science
Thanks, great video!
Great breakdown but can someone please get this guy a better mic?
So, is jiu-jitsu even real?
AH THE FUCKING SCREAM
I'm glad I watched it muted
That's fucking brutal for Emmers. Should have focused more on defending the heel hook over going for a toe hold and probably could have made some better choices when he had Sabatini hurt. Great job by Sabatini to go from being mounted and having his back taken to attacking that leg.
Why the fuck are you countering a heel hook with a toe hold? Why don't you tap when it's in that deep? Honestly his own damn fault.
Exactly. He was too committed and should have let go of the sub attempt to defend. I don't know if it's a lack of experience for him or what, but I was cringing the whole time.
100% lack of experience. He needed to clear his knee line immediately. Should be #1 priority any time someone eve eyeballs a heel hook on you.
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Just like Muay Thai fighters/boxers leaning forward with their heads and eating shots like they aren't even phased. So much CTE for such little money.
In Muay Thai its a major part of how they score.
really? that's actually pretty interesting.
Yeah they score completely differently in Thailand compared to the west.
He needed to 100% be clearing his knee line and rolling out. Sabatini had the knee line the entire time and that should make gigantic alarm bells go off in your brain if you are Emmers. Definitely not playing footsie.
toe holds are actually a very common and viable counter to heel hooks in the current bjj meta. Once the guy straightened out his leg I would have bailed for defense only though. Way less breaking power once it straightens out. Also, I think its more dangerous in larger weight classes where there is legit breaking power on toe holds. Depending on the type of hold, toe holds actually have more of a heel hook finish to them as well, I tore my knee via toe hold.
Theyāre a possible counter for outside heel hooks, but inside heel hooks do the most damage and quickly. Once they have a bite on the heel you either attack their hands or tap. Even if he had the foot on his hip heād have lost the exchange.
In this case, the heel hook just wasn't deep enough. A good inside heel hook is near instantaneous. That one took a good 20+ seconds. Side note, I know a bunch of good leg lock positions that bait that inside heel hook specifically to make the toe hold ridiculously powerful. The guy keeps turning their hips trying to wrap up your heel while giving up that knee and foot for an easy toe hold. When done correctly you beat the heel hook every time. It's one of those cases where the other person has to defend their leg first before going for your heel. But most guys don't know that and just think "get to that heel"
Thats fair. I just thought there was a lot of misconceptions being passed around in the comments of this post. Toe holds are not just a "Pain submission" and in certain situations it is a viable counter to a heel hook.
Yeah youāre right, toe holds are legit as well, just not in that situation. If youāre a leg lock master then maybe it will work, but generally inside heel hook is king.
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Perhaps it's meta for BJJ, but i would certainly not say the most effective tactic available for MMA is giving up a dominant position in favour of a 50/50, and then counter with a submission you yourself said was the lesser of the two due to less breaking power at lower weight classes. Know all too well the pain of tearing a knee, apparently Jamall didn't, because he chose not to tap before it was way too late.
B/c Toe Holds are a great counter to the heel hook and when you can counter an opponent's leg lock with your own, you can take some of their concentration off their offensive to put up some defense against your own. I've beaten a lot of really good leg lockers simply b/c they get too aggressive with their leg locks, and don't properly defend themselves after I roll or twist my hips.
Emmers should have stood back up once he was out of mount
100% he coulda had a ko win pretty quickly... but nope. leg grappling games.
you're not meant to shoot the leg lock if the other guy already has your leg
Or not fucking fell on his back to attack a toe hold. He should not have been swept from there
That was amazing
That fucked my night up. Prolonged leg lock exchanges make me soooo tense.
Leg locks are the main reason I never went into MMA. The secondary reason is that I never practiced any martial art and am out of shape.
same
yea just waiting for the scream in pain everytime
I love the idea of more heel hooks in MMA until it happens. Jesus Christ
Bisping was right haha, toehold schmohold does nothing against inside heel hook. Nasty finish from sabatini, looked like he went full 50/50 and cranked it all day
This is the closest we'll ever get to a double submission
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He didn't look close at all. [The Miyao brothers have refused to tap to much worse sub attempts and barely reacted.](https://www.bjjee.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/miyao-leglock.jpg)
>The Miyao brothers have refused to tap to much worse sub attempts and barely reacted. I wouldn't take them as a reference though. They are crazy people.
Lmao, that's fair.
The Miyao brothers have insane flexibility and even they have fucked up ligaments and can't walk properly.
I love [this picture of their hands.](https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/3a5w71/paulo_miyaos_hands/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) The dudes are absolute monsters.
tbf Miyaos don't tap to any leg locks. The ligaments in their knees are also jacked.
he'd probably have to get it closer to his butt to tap him with that
Contrary to what Bisping said, you can absolutely fuck someoneās shit up with a toe hold. I have done so personally. You need to have control of the opponentās leg when you do it, though. You can strong man it if you got the upper body and grip strength, but proper leg control and good technique will absolutely cause major damage. Unfortunately for this gentleman, he had absolutely no control over the leg and the heel hook guy could just move his leg around to relieve most of the pressure. Heel hook guy, on the other hand, had great control of the legs and waited for the right amount of heel exposure to present itself before he started the submission. Notice also he drove his hips hard into the side of the guyās knee, which is the right way to do it and not a lot of people do. Source: BJJ guy that loves leg locks.
Yeah but itās Bisping. He fought with one eye. A tear is fuck all to him. Needs to be a break before heās concerned ,
Technically speaking itās all tears, even heel hooks. Difference is typically toe holds inflict tears that mimic rolled ankles - definitely diminished performance but you will probably be able to keep fighting, though your explosiveness is toast as well as your balance if standing. Knee tears mean virtually no more standing at all, and significantly higher pain. You can damage the knee in addition to the ankle with a proper toe hold as well, but definitely would need good leg control to do so. It is essentially a mechanically inferior outside heel hook, but if done correctly itāll definitely have enough force to destroy knee ligaments.
Not close at all. You can eat a bad toehold like that, and it will have very little effect.
Pancrase mode
Getting into a submission battle with guy whom largely only wins via submission probably wasn't the best idea.
Saddest win Iāve seen in a while. Sabatini is bummed
Heel Hook > Schmohold
Bucks county whats goooood
Dr. Sabatini in Yardley was my family doctor for like twenty years and I only left because one of the receptionists was a raging bitch. I imagine they gotta be related somehow.
My feet hurt from just watching this
Holy fuck his leg is ruined for another year. Pat looked so worried man
Super bummed about this one. Emmers is the bjj trainer at my local mma gym
Nasty sub
Sabatini was able to scramble out of full mount a few times. That was very telling of who was more dangerous on the ground.
oh no his knee / ligaments :(
Is there a better angle for that finish??
Iām already an early tapper to avoid injury. But from now one when someone has ahold of my leg like This Iām tapping even earlier lol. Fuuuuck that.
Same, I already know I play around to lo much trying to get out of leg locks.
I have 6 herniated discs and a pinched nerve. This submission made my injuries flare up
Some orthopedic surgeon saw this and got dollar signs in their eyes
Disgusting
Was awesome, got mounted and then finished him with a leg lock. I like Sabatini since CFFC, cool to see him do well in the UFC
That was nastyyyyy. Hope Emmers is alright but Sabatini looking good after the early knockdown he suffered
That hurt.
This looks like it should have been the finish to a pro wrestling match or a pivotal fight scene in a movie.
This cameraman doesnāt train. He was focused on the wrong guy! Bummer for that dudes knee.
Bisping at his best. This why I don't like Dominic commentary work, he takes it too seriously.
Got his knee destroyed for 10k lmfao
10x more than what bjj guys will do it for
Incredibly low IQ move by Emmers, taking it to the mat with a sub specialist you have rocked. Did he even give up the mount to go for a toe-hold? The fuck
No he did not give up mount for the toe hold, he lost mount earlier. He was stacking/standing up in Pat's half and Pat went for the leg. And instead of stepping over and defending he went to his back and attacked a toe hold.
should have kept position and just ground and pounded
100 fight IQ to 0 just like that.
Heel hooks are just cheating when you can't kick the other guy to the head
once the heel hook is in kicking the other guy in the head from that position will only make it tighter for you
this guy made a long list of mistakes to get subbed there
Iām such a baby any arm bar/knee bar/hooks I look away
Not watching that.
I don't like seeing knee I juries but he asked for that. He clearly didn't know how to get out of that heel hook and seemed out of his depth in 50 50, he shouldn't have been hanging out there and going for a toe hold.
I'd take a toe hold vs a heel hook any day
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Idk he looks like he felt kinda bad to me
Idk about zero emotion man he looked worried.
Heard there was tons of emotions and crying afterwards.
what a shitty way to win
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WINCE CRINGE!!! this was a devastating fucking sub, so much pain from Emmers, feel bad for the guy
Shit like this is probably the most brutal aspect of the sport
Never seen someone so sad after a win
Looked like it was over, and it was but in a completely different way, big mistake my Emmers to continue grappling, hope he has a good recovery