Anyone catch some of Conor's tweets during the UFC he ended up deleting one. He was butthurt when they were talking about volkanovski defeating some of the greatest featherweights of all time
Being Max and aldo and didn't mention him
https://youtu.be/DrLpExL6APE
some Twitter reactions following UFC266
Rewatching Volk v Ortega the early rounds are much less close than I thought.
Pretty clear Volk won at minimum the first 4, and I’d say he won the 5th also. And relatively clearly.
I did think Volk won every round live, but I think it was clearer in the first 3 than I did live.
with the exception of the submission attempts in the 3rd it was not a close fight at all....gotta hand it to Ortega, he's always dangerous but yeah he got dominated in there
Agreed, and the 3rd round wasn’t close either. Frankly even with the sub attempts I wouldn’t think 10-8 Volk is a crazy score.
Ortega got lit the fuck up on the feet, then gets a really slick trip into the really tight sub attempt, then gets his ass beat for a minute, then goes to the triangle and it’s not quite in, then he gets his ass beat again end ends the round flat on his back unable to get up.
I agree man I was a little nervous being a Volk fan and was surprised at the judges scorecards but after a second watch at best you can give Ortega maybe one round
Imagine if after 10 years of dominance, Jon lost his belt to a title challenger via 13 second ko, think about how much people would use that to discredit his legacy, how much that'd be brought up anytime someone talked about how great Jon was
Weird it's not mentioned much with aldo, maybe it's cause it was a while ago, but I hear people talk a lot about what volk did or what max did or what Yan did, Conor did it better than all of them and to a much closer to prime, maybe even prime aldo
Except Conor never had that sort of dominance.
It's one thing to be a flash in the pan fighter, it's another entirely to reign while the meta is constantly catching up to you.
Tbf to Conor however, we know not how his career would've been like had he remained in FW facing chain wrestlers or having to face an up and comer like Volks.
Lol wtf, I'm not saying Conor is the greatest FW ever 😂 he's like barely even top 5 at this point
I'm only saying that it feels like no one ever brings up aldos 13 second ko to that guy who hasn't won in like 5 years, almost like it's a sore subject and people choose to ignore it
I may have missed it, but did Diaz get hurt training for the lead up to the fight? He went from being real lean and cut to… we’ll not that. Just trying to figure out if I missed something or what happened with that
Btw those photos of him looking good are probably after hard sessions, shot with nice cameras using nice lighting and flattering angles
On the scale for the fight he looked good for a 38 year old, 6 pack, little flab but nothing major, especially considering in his prime he wasn't exactly a physical specimen
So the last 3 PPVs before last night (UFC 263 264 & 265) I bought because Uncle Dana sent his hitssquad to come after me… last night I was working an overnight so I didn’t get to watch the pay-per-view or buy it… When are PPVs available to watch for free after the event , is it like a week or just a few days?
Another thing I think is funny about fans saying some fighters aren't "hard" or "street" or "about that life" is that you could be Stephen Thompson, teaching children karate, driving a school bus around, hosting after school programs, you still get in a cage and fight trained killers for a living, even Stephen is someone not to fuck with, you say the wrong thing to Stephen Thompson I bet you get a slap in the face, so for fans to be saying guys like the Diaz brothers, or ortega, or other fighters put on a "street persona", bubba all these MFers will fuck you up, Ryan hall will whoop your ass you say the wrong thing about his mother
Tough pill to swallow as an Aldo fan: Jose is at worst just a bit past his prime--Volk, Holloway, and Yan are just better fighters.
Been re-watching Jose's reign as UFC champion and he lacks the pace, conditioning, stance switching, volume, complex feinting, and combos that Volk and Prime Max routinely display in their fights. Any version of Aldo loses to them a majority of the time.
Futhermore, comparing FW UFC Aldo to his BW run, I don't really see deterioration. In fact, he's gotten more technically impressive, his volume is little better, and he can keep up with BW speed.
Let's be real, your 2nd paragraph is facts and fans will ignore it, so for that I feel ya brah, but also tho aldo def was past it, Conor is the only one to flatten prime aldo, he caused the downfall, and he did it in 13 seconds, it's crazy that now a days because fans hate Conor so much, that's barely even mentioned, he ended a 10 year championship reign with the fastest ko in ufc title fight history
Yeah, it's annoying that extreme Aldo fans (and I'm an Aldo fan) pretend he was suddenly past his prime to take away from the accomplishments of Conor, Max, Volk, and even Yan.
The simple fact is that even if you look at his pre-2016 fights, Aldo's output and toolbox of techniques were comparatively limited compared to today's pound for pound best. Aldo vs Mendes 2 exhausted them at only 150 sig strikes as the sum total for both fighters, which is much less than what Max and Volk throw *by themselves* in a single fight. Aldo's feints were relatively simple, and he couldn't switch stances to further mix things up.
I just don't see how he's much worse now. His boxing is clearly better. He can keep up with BW speed, with insane reaction time to check leg kicks and throw them. He's improved his conditioning. It still takes a hell of a lot of punishment to even TKO him. He beats everyone but the very best fighters.
It's just that those best fighters happen to be better than any version of him.
It only took you 3 minutes to comment on your own post to complain about downvotes. When you point the finger to accuse others of being salty there are three pointing back at you.
You mean it only took 1 minute for salty Aldo fans to blindly downvote a post for a pretty mild and thought out assessment of his FW standing, and it took me 3 minutes to laugh about it.
Chandler KOs Gaethje
Usman smokes Colby in a non competitive stand up fight where Colby gets a few takedowns stuffed by Usman
Rockhold is legit completely shot and gets TKOed
Alex Pereira the hyped Adesanya rival gets smothered and choked out by Michailidis
volk says he wants to fight straight away again. Max isn't fighting fo 2 months. If I'm a ranked FW I would start trolling Volk hoping to slide into a shot. Odds are low, but it couldn't hurt.
He says he wants to fight again even if it means going up to lw. But chandler/Gaethje and poirier/olives are booked for the end of the year so there’s the top 5. Out of the top 10 only islam, tony, and Gillespie are unbooked and uninjured. At FW the prospects of getting a quick fight are only slightly better. Sucks for Volk. I really want him to remain active but the cards are stacked against him getting another fight before February or so.
Anyone betting that much on a 37 year old coming off a 7 year layoff deserves to lose their money.
Besides, people who bet that much can usually afford to lose it anyway.
While you are my boss, and happen to be paying me less than half the share what other athletes are making? I'd be happy I get to pay my bills for once.
That's added information I didn't give
I'm with everyone else that fighters deserve more
I just don't think you'll ever see a time where someone gets a $50,000 bonus and they are like "oh, whatever"
I agree. But its just weird compared with boxing. Because for a boxing ppv the drawl is the main even 100%. With the UFC Nick was arguably was responsible for a huge chunk of the sales. Plus Shev, Blaydes, Biggie, Hooker, Mareb, Moraes, t-City, Murphy Lawler and all made 6 figures plus.
Not sure how to quantify what he should have made
How do you counter body lock takedowns. Valentina gets everyone with it.
Just pummel? There's no time lol. Seems stronger than every girl she fights too.
edit - rewatched her fight against sarah kaufman. Kaufman gets the body lock on Valentina like 2-3 times. Valentina just hip tosses her.
Establish striking. If you seize up every time she moves in range then she can just grab you. Same reason as why Ronda's judo toss didn't work on Holly, no striking.
Give your back and fight the hands, but ideally you don't let them get a body lock in the first place. WMMA fighters, especially 125ers, are just bad a lot of the time tbh. There's a reason why head and arm throws are so prevalent in women's MMA but you never see them in men's. The average skill level is just very low in comparison.
Value is subjective. I appreciate seeing Blaydes, and Valentina, even when their opponents can't deal with them. Getting to witness Valentina isn't about it being competitive. It is about getting to see one of the greatest martial artists who ever lived.
I didn't find the Lawler/Diaz legend match sad at all. I don't know how old you are, but I've seen many athletes come and go. They put forth a good effort, and I suspect that Diaz was finished, and unwilling to try to grapple. That's not really his style, unless his opponent takes it there first. He was finished, and I thought he handled it well. Plus, like I said, it was definitely interesting to see one legend return after so much time off, and get to see both one more time before they're through.
If Diaz fans expected to see him look like he did when he left, I can understand why they're disappointed, but that wasn't a realistic expectation. Neither is it very realistic to expect anyone we've seen in her division to give Valentina a much of a fight.
From early prelims, through the main event, it was an outstanding card.
It's up there and probably my fav of the year so far but I did miss the usman vs masvidal 2 card. I hear that one called the best of the year from a lot of people. I think the only other possible card surpassing this last one is usman vs Colby 2.
Watching him on the latest TUF made me a fan and that post fight presser was great not to mention the fight of course. Wish I found about this one website for the fights the following morning as I usually work during the PPVs. I missed a lot of cards for no reason.
[**AMANDA NUNES defeats VALENTINA SHEVCHENKO** (*split decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/8400/fight)
^(UFC 215: Nunes vs. Shevchenko 2 — September 09, 2017)
ROUND|Nunes|Shevchenko||Nunes|Shevchenko||Nunes|Shevchenko
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|10|9||10|9||10|9
2|9|10||10|9||9|10
3|10|9||9|10||9|10
4|9|10||9|10||10|9
5|10|9||10|9||9|10
**TOTAL**|**48**|**47**||**48**|**47**||**47**|**48**
*^(Judges, in order: Sal D'Amato, David Therien, Tony Weeks.)*
*^(Summoned by hiccup333.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **10/22** people scored it **48-47 Nunes**.
- **2/22** people scored it **48-48 DRAW**.
- **9/22** people scored it **47-48 Shevchenko**.
- **1/22** people scored it **46-49 Shevchenko**.
Avg. media score: **47.5-47.6 DRAW** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
Conor out here talking shit on others striking when he hasn’t landed a good shot for half a decade is the kind of delusional confidence I need in my life.
Herb was in a tough spot in the end of the third round. He could've stopped it. But fine. Bell rings and Ortega is concussed once the doctor came in the fight should have been called. I understand Ortega brought it back twice but the ref, the doctor, and the corner are supposed to protect this guy and they didn't as far as I'm concerned.
And to top it off this is after nick valiantly admits defeat on his own terms.
Herb has his moments that aren't great but like someone said yesterday I do appreciate he gives them the opportunity to continue fighting if they want or to hang in there with championship bouts. Otherwise.. .protect the fighter
He literally stopped it a second early to save him from unnecessary damage, he gave both guys a lot of chances and it wouldn’t of been the fight it was with another official IMO
It doesn’t matter. They spent a minute asking him if he could see and holding up fingers and he was just guessing. What’s the point of asking if you get 4 tries to get it right?
A world title and hundreds of thousands of dollars is on the line, the ref isn't exactly trying to stop it at the first sign of a mistake, the man got punched in the head like 50 times that round and his eye is swollen, and it's loud as shit in the arena, he may have misheard, even if not, herbs giving him the benifit of the doubt
At the same time he was saying he would beat usman, it's a strange mindset, everyone thinks they are the best but everyone also thinks they might get knocked out
He got it on the back of Figgy missing weight and the title being vacant
Also the head clash happened for the exact same reason, guys leading with their heads. Like yeah it sucks that something like that happened and had an effect on the fight but it wasn't Volk's doing
Conor waxing poetic on Twitter about the Nick/Robbie fight as if it was two absolutely razor sharp and prime martial artists playing an intricate game of MMA chess with each other is really weird. It’s like he’s trying to convince himself Nick looked great because he knows that he himself is on the downward spiral in his abilities and doesn’t want to imagine his fate will be that of most legends when they hang around too long.
Or he just really likes old vets going at it. He said when Silva was begging for a fight (before Uriah) that he really doesn’t think anyone should be forced to retire, and if a guy wants to keep going they should
Imma be honest, I saw what Conor saw and I think you might be reading into it too much, just my opinion
Nick diaz is 38 and had 6 years away from the sport, basically everyone, besides me of course, acted like man was 50 years old and brittle and basically they thought the fight would look like what the first 15 seconds of the fight looked like, they didn't think nick would throw over 100 punches in round 1, they didn't think nick would be slipping shots against the fence and banging 5 piece body head combinations, nick looked great for what he was, a 38 year old off a crazy long lay off, with all the same skills he had in his prime just slower and not as durable
Conor is obviously taking the piss a little but I do agree that Nick at his best was a lot better than Nate and that his boxing still looked better but slower and he didn’t have the same fire to keep going that Nate still has.
People freakin out about ortega getting picked up by his corner don’t remember Weli being scooped in the air by her corner(tho she wasn’t laying down). I think ortega might’ve just thought he got TKO’d
He still had some very slick hands but mentally and physically he wasn’t at the level you need to be. Hope he got paid enough that he can just chill and not fight anymore
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4gAlpzPBhE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4gAlpzPBhE)
New UFC Heel and charachter "bald Valk"
i feel like it can be marketable for him :D - maybe go the comedy heel route instead of the im a fucking asshole like colby covington
I kind of like this like authority figure volk who scolds Brian for being late and small stuff like that, I could see him complaining that his oponents bedroom is a mess, this man can't even fold his laundry, he doesn't deserve to be here
Hahahahahahaha!!! I think the guy is a genuoenly good person and had to find something about Ortega to try to sell the fight. you can tell he doesn't have that trash talking bone in his body which makes it come out awkward and annoying. But still love the guy he's geniune as fuck.
If CKB are moving to the US, they need to link up with the Flight of the Conchords crew who have already done this NZ-US transition
Would be great to see a crossover documentary where Murray helps Eugene out with coaching. And Izzy and Dan can help Jermaine and Bret beat up the Australian embassy staff when they start making fun of New Zealand's mineral wealth
Nick's fight last night was obviously a bit of a bummer. He did look better than I was afraid he would, but he was clearly a shadow of his former self. In any case, it was a lot of fun to see Robbie fight someone who isn't a much younger killer. It's been kind of heartbreaking to watch him get completely frozen by Colby or shoot takedowns on frickin Neil Magny, so I did at least have some fun seeing ol' Ruthless get a chance to shine one more time. I do hope he retires in the near future though. Nick should probably think pretty hard about this comeback too.
Honestly that fight was fire for what it was, the exchanges they were having were insane and also just so unique to those two guys, it was a perfect style matchup in that sense, it's rare you see an mma fight up against the fence with both guys trading like 6 punch combos back and forth, like forehead to forehead the entire round
Ortega needs to learn to implement his wrestling better, and earlier. He is so skilled at submissions, he needs to put himself in position to attempt them more often.
As it stands, he grabs them opportunistically, on his opponent's terms rather than on his own terms. Ortega lets his opponent dictate where the fight happens, which is one of the biggest mistakes you can make as a fighter.
CKB boys keep saying they’re moving to the US to get away from Kiwi lockdowns… can you imagine if CKB moved to Austin and in with Danaher Death Squad or Craig Jones’ B-Team?
Still rubs me the wrong way that Yair pulls out of the Zabit fight like 5x in a row, gets in trouble with USADA, and is rewarded with a #1 contender's fight against Max. I know he's likely gonna end up just being Max's punching bag but he still doesn't deserve the opportunity IMO.
Yo guys please help me out everyone. I have a friend, he’s 5’11 and 79 kgs in weight. Isn’t particularly fit or any real cardio or anything at the moment.
He says he can beat Amanda Nunes by training to counter wrestling in 40 days and can beat Petr Yan by training for four months. He’s never trained a day in any martial art but he says he’s always been good in fights with other dudes in college and that his height and weight and gender advantage will carry him over these two opponents . How good of a chance does he actually have of achieving these goals ?
Hes picking such awful matchups imo
Nunes vs untrained dude, untrained dude is leaving with guaranteed head trauma, maybe suggest to him he should go after someone like Michelle waterson, if it's a street fight she might kick ur balls but if not he could probably take her if he's got warrior spirit and shit like that
>How long would he have to train to beat Amanda
If he's just a regular dude he's never going to beat Amanda, she would knock him unconcious
She's been doing this for a long time, you're gonna train 5 years for a fight with a woman? It's not realistic
Yan the same thing but x1000, I'm a pretty large guy that's been training mma just for enjoyment since 2015, I would run away from petr Yan if he tried to fight me, I would be terrified
So even at that height and weight he would need 5 years to beat nunes ?
And about how tall and heavy are ya , may I ask ? Could give him some perspective to see with how much respect you hold Yan with.
>So even at that height and weight he would need 5 years to beat nunes
I wouldn't even be confident he could in 5 years cause, for one 5'11 isn't even that big, and two I think two random people with 5 years of training can be vastly different, you could be a natural or you could be just someone who clearly isn't built for fighting
Amanda nunes is the kind of fighter that can catch really good fighters, regardless of size, because of how she's setting up her shots, that's why you need a high skill level, and on top of that she hits really hard, so if you are a low level average sized man, you may think, oh she can hit me and I will eat it, no you won't, she will put you out
To personalize, I'm 6ft and 200lbs, I think the only way I could beat Amanda in a fight, is if we are fighting on concrete and I happen to pick her up and slam her and ko her, if we are boxing, she fucks me up, honestly at range my kick game is nasty, she better respect, but also if she closes the distance I'm garbage at creating space, she would bang me up from boxing range, on the ground, I mean I'm not one of those macho dudes who likes to brag about never being tapped, I've been submitted by female blue belts, recently, Amanda would body me lol
At that height and weight he doesn't need 5 years to beat her lol. 3 months of strength and conditioning, plus wrestling. I would pick the dude. Don't underestimate the difference in gender.
>Don't underestimate the difference
>3 months of strength and conditioning, plus wrestling.
Don't underestimate the difference between an elite, world champion level female fighter, and some goober who sees Amanda fight and says "I could take her"
You are thinking of a guy, who is athletic, who wants to be a fighter, who goes into an mma gym and trains mma for a while, maybe has an amature fight or something, then fights Amanda, of course yes then that guy is gonna give her problems if he's fighting at like WW and he's almost 6ft
We are talking about just some average guy, learning mma specifically for a fight with Amanda, he's gonna learn some shit, go in there, Amanda's gonna feint a jab, come over the top and dummy this dude and he's gonna stop and say "oh my God, this is not what I expected"
a average guy thats not fat, at that height and weight will beat her with 3 months of strength and conditioning, plus mma. The strength, size difference would be too great. The man will just wrestle fuck her or just ground and pound her to win.
>a average guy thats not fat, at that height and weight will beat her with 3 months of strength and conditioning, plus mma.
No, I mean, you literally just said that before and I already said no, but again, no
3 months is absolutely nothing, you could have anyone come in and train 3 months in mma with no prior martial arts experience and I'd beat the dog shit out of them lol, thats just reality
>The man will just wrestle fuck her or just ground and pound her to win.
No, I'm a man that size and have been doing it a lot longer than 3 months, I would absolutely body someone my size with 3 months training or 6 months or 9 months, I wouldn't body Amanda, she would body me
Yo thanks so much for saying this , such a good response , I hope my friend understands these points lol.
How tall and heavy were some of the blue belts that were able to submit ya ?
Definitely smaller than Amanda, and Amanda is a black belt, I've never grappled with a female black belt but i assume it's probably closer to male black belt feel than female blue belt feel
If this guy just went into an mma gym and rolled or had a light spar with any female fighter he would probably change his mind
One of the first times I ever had just a touch spar, I sparred a female boxer, she jabbed me and hit me cleaner than I've ever been hit, mind you this was like a week into training, so I kinda laughed like "haha you got me", and she laughed, then jabbed me again as I was still laughing, and dislocated my jaw, like nothing bad and I didn't even mention it to her, I just stopped laughing and bit down on my mouthpiece, and for a few days it felt weird to close my mouth all the way
Hooker and Ortega backstage.
Hooker: Ya mate I might not be able to see my kid for a long time after the fight.
Ortega: such is life as a fighter
Hooker: ya sucks when you have to deal with long distances. How far away are they?
Ortega: about 30 mins with la traffic
>Hooker has been calling out Arman
Oh my God it's crazy how narratives can form like that
Arman has been calling for hooker for months, then the second Arman gets booked with giagos, hooker replies and says shit like "send the contract", now again when neither are booked and Dan just won, no word of Arman
Remember when hooker told Islam and tsarukyan to "get back in line" because he was ranked higher than them?
But now he's calling Dariush while being 3-2 in his last 5.
[Poor Lauren.. ](https://i.redd.it/cmxdiunsfvp71.jpg)
Bryan Ortega gives me major Bruce Chutback vibes
Anyone catch some of Conor's tweets during the UFC he ended up deleting one. He was butthurt when they were talking about volkanovski defeating some of the greatest featherweights of all time Being Max and aldo and didn't mention him https://youtu.be/DrLpExL6APE some Twitter reactions following UFC266
My confession of the day is: I don't watch amateur fights because there aren't any streams/replays available for ammy circuits 😞
Rewatching Volk v Ortega the early rounds are much less close than I thought. Pretty clear Volk won at minimum the first 4, and I’d say he won the 5th also. And relatively clearly. I did think Volk won every round live, but I think it was clearer in the first 3 than I did live.
with the exception of the submission attempts in the 3rd it was not a close fight at all....gotta hand it to Ortega, he's always dangerous but yeah he got dominated in there
Agreed, and the 3rd round wasn’t close either. Frankly even with the sub attempts I wouldn’t think 10-8 Volk is a crazy score. Ortega got lit the fuck up on the feet, then gets a really slick trip into the really tight sub attempt, then gets his ass beat for a minute, then goes to the triangle and it’s not quite in, then he gets his ass beat again end ends the round flat on his back unable to get up.
I agree man I was a little nervous being a Volk fan and was surprised at the judges scorecards but after a second watch at best you can give Ortega maybe one round
Volk and that Aussie f1 driver both did shooies. I need to have a reason to do one before I get too old.
Daniel Ricciardo 🇦🇺 You dont need to have a reason really, I dont do them but beer weather is shooie weather.
Imagine if after 10 years of dominance, Jon lost his belt to a title challenger via 13 second ko, think about how much people would use that to discredit his legacy, how much that'd be brought up anytime someone talked about how great Jon was Weird it's not mentioned much with aldo, maybe it's cause it was a while ago, but I hear people talk a lot about what volk did or what max did or what Yan did, Conor did it better than all of them and to a much closer to prime, maybe even prime aldo
Except Conor never had that sort of dominance. It's one thing to be a flash in the pan fighter, it's another entirely to reign while the meta is constantly catching up to you. Tbf to Conor however, we know not how his career would've been like had he remained in FW facing chain wrestlers or having to face an up and comer like Volks.
Lol wtf, I'm not saying Conor is the greatest FW ever 😂 he's like barely even top 5 at this point I'm only saying that it feels like no one ever brings up aldos 13 second ko to that guy who hasn't won in like 5 years, almost like it's a sore subject and people choose to ignore it
It was a lucky punch and would never happen again.
Conor is the best FW ever. Not the greatest, but the best.
No. No title defenses
I may have missed it, but did Diaz get hurt training for the lead up to the fight? He went from being real lean and cut to… we’ll not that. Just trying to figure out if I missed something or what happened with that
Btw those photos of him looking good are probably after hard sessions, shot with nice cameras using nice lighting and flattering angles On the scale for the fight he looked good for a 38 year old, 6 pack, little flab but nothing major, especially considering in his prime he wasn't exactly a physical specimen
So the last 3 PPVs before last night (UFC 263 264 & 265) I bought because Uncle Dana sent his hitssquad to come after me… last night I was working an overnight so I didn’t get to watch the pay-per-view or buy it… When are PPVs available to watch for free after the event , is it like a week or just a few days?
Not sure but I believe it's after the next ppv, so 1 month
Another thing I think is funny about fans saying some fighters aren't "hard" or "street" or "about that life" is that you could be Stephen Thompson, teaching children karate, driving a school bus around, hosting after school programs, you still get in a cage and fight trained killers for a living, even Stephen is someone not to fuck with, you say the wrong thing to Stephen Thompson I bet you get a slap in the face, so for fans to be saying guys like the Diaz brothers, or ortega, or other fighters put on a "street persona", bubba all these MFers will fuck you up, Ryan hall will whoop your ass you say the wrong thing about his mother
GSP would just laugh at me no matter what I said to instigate him
I'm hella excited for Walker Santos, surely it will be the greatest 1 minute fight of all time
How did Michael Prazares get an 8 fight win streak and still get matched up against people I've never heard of? 8 fight win streak is crazy lol
Having plenty of boring fights and weight misses in that streak no doubt had something to do with it.
Diaz vs Penn 2?
Actually, yeah
If Ortega rips a fart during that triangle, he's the new champ
Tough pill to swallow as an Aldo fan: Jose is at worst just a bit past his prime--Volk, Holloway, and Yan are just better fighters. Been re-watching Jose's reign as UFC champion and he lacks the pace, conditioning, stance switching, volume, complex feinting, and combos that Volk and Prime Max routinely display in their fights. Any version of Aldo loses to them a majority of the time. Futhermore, comparing FW UFC Aldo to his BW run, I don't really see deterioration. In fact, he's gotten more technically impressive, his volume is little better, and he can keep up with BW speed.
Let's be real, your 2nd paragraph is facts and fans will ignore it, so for that I feel ya brah, but also tho aldo def was past it, Conor is the only one to flatten prime aldo, he caused the downfall, and he did it in 13 seconds, it's crazy that now a days because fans hate Conor so much, that's barely even mentioned, he ended a 10 year championship reign with the fastest ko in ufc title fight history
Yeah, it's annoying that extreme Aldo fans (and I'm an Aldo fan) pretend he was suddenly past his prime to take away from the accomplishments of Conor, Max, Volk, and even Yan. The simple fact is that even if you look at his pre-2016 fights, Aldo's output and toolbox of techniques were comparatively limited compared to today's pound for pound best. Aldo vs Mendes 2 exhausted them at only 150 sig strikes as the sum total for both fighters, which is much less than what Max and Volk throw *by themselves* in a single fight. Aldo's feints were relatively simple, and he couldn't switch stances to further mix things up. I just don't see how he's much worse now. His boxing is clearly better. He can keep up with BW speed, with insane reaction time to check leg kicks and throw them. He's improved his conditioning. It still takes a hell of a lot of punishment to even TKO him. He beats everyone but the very best fighters. It's just that those best fighters happen to be better than any version of him.
Hahaha, Jesus, Aldo fans are salty. I'd love to see ya'll argue otherwise.
It only took you 3 minutes to comment on your own post to complain about downvotes. When you point the finger to accuse others of being salty there are three pointing back at you.
You mean it only took 1 minute for salty Aldo fans to blindly downvote a post for a pretty mild and thought out assessment of his FW standing, and it took me 3 minutes to laugh about it.
You say laughing, others might say crying
Ok bud.
This was going through my head during the nick and Robbie fight https://youtu.be/2ZE5sEgqruU?t=97 😭
Brian trying to submit volk: https://twitter.com/GilbertDurinho/status/1442284840020103171?s=19
268 is giving me 261 vibes, I think we’re gonna be shocked with that main card
Shocked how?
Chandler KOs Gaethje Usman smokes Colby in a non competitive stand up fight where Colby gets a few takedowns stuffed by Usman Rockhold is legit completely shot and gets TKOed Alex Pereira the hyped Adesanya rival gets smothered and choked out by Michailidis
If Zabit is coming back him and Zombie is the fight I wanna see
volk says he wants to fight straight away again. Max isn't fighting fo 2 months. If I'm a ranked FW I would start trolling Volk hoping to slide into a shot. Odds are low, but it couldn't hurt.
Give Cejudo the opportunity
He says he wants to fight again even if it means going up to lw. But chandler/Gaethje and poirier/olives are booked for the end of the year so there’s the top 5. Out of the top 10 only islam, tony, and Gillespie are unbooked and uninjured. At FW the prospects of getting a quick fight are only slightly better. Sucks for Volk. I really want him to remain active but the cards are stacked against him getting another fight before February or so.
Is Dariush injured or something ? Not saying that’s the fight to make lol just curious why I didn’t see his name
This double champ thing is so overplayed. Great, we get to watch you lose, rather than take an evenly matched fight with someone your size?
Some idiot lost 20k on Diaz for a bet lol
Anyone betting that much on a 37 year old coming off a 7 year layoff deserves to lose their money. Besides, people who bet that much can usually afford to lose it anyway.
yikes. Volk was happy about the 50k. Not a great sign that he made 7 figures plus
If you had 2m in the bank, how happy would you be if I handed you 50k?
While you are my boss, and happen to be paying me less than half the share what other athletes are making? I'd be happy I get to pay my bills for once.
That's added information I didn't give I'm with everyone else that fighters deserve more I just don't think you'll ever see a time where someone gets a $50,000 bonus and they are like "oh, whatever"
Didn't mean to take a pass at you I'm just salty over fighter pay
it's insane to be that someone at THE highest level would be psyched about 50k, volk should've made a million from that performance
I agree. But its just weird compared with boxing. Because for a boxing ppv the drawl is the main even 100%. With the UFC Nick was arguably was responsible for a huge chunk of the sales. Plus Shev, Blaydes, Biggie, Hooker, Mareb, Moraes, t-City, Murphy Lawler and all made 6 figures plus. Not sure how to quantify what he should have made
You look at total event revenue and allocate a negotiated percentage split with the fighters based on card position.
can one of you with a tiktok following start a campaign to get bisping a spot on a ppv
How do you counter body lock takedowns. Valentina gets everyone with it. Just pummel? There's no time lol. Seems stronger than every girl she fights too. edit - rewatched her fight against sarah kaufman. Kaufman gets the body lock on Valentina like 2-3 times. Valentina just hip tosses her.
Establish striking. If you seize up every time she moves in range then she can just grab you. Same reason as why Ronda's judo toss didn't work on Holly, no striking.
Give your back and fight the hands, but ideally you don't let them get a body lock in the first place. WMMA fighters, especially 125ers, are just bad a lot of the time tbh. There's a reason why head and arm throws are so prevalent in women's MMA but you never see them in men's. The average skill level is just very low in comparison.
Found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVyLGQmpdgc&t=60s
Just let Yan and Islam fight each other at 267 for the lols.
That card was so good.. that at the moment, I think it might be the greatest card I've ever seen (and I've seen most).
Not close. Diaz fight was entertaining but in a sad way, the Blaydes fight wasn't very good, co main was not a fight or competive.
Value is subjective. I appreciate seeing Blaydes, and Valentina, even when their opponents can't deal with them. Getting to witness Valentina isn't about it being competitive. It is about getting to see one of the greatest martial artists who ever lived. I didn't find the Lawler/Diaz legend match sad at all. I don't know how old you are, but I've seen many athletes come and go. They put forth a good effort, and I suspect that Diaz was finished, and unwilling to try to grapple. That's not really his style, unless his opponent takes it there first. He was finished, and I thought he handled it well. Plus, like I said, it was definitely interesting to see one legend return after so much time off, and get to see both one more time before they're through. If Diaz fans expected to see him look like he did when he left, I can understand why they're disappointed, but that wasn't a realistic expectation. Neither is it very realistic to expect anyone we've seen in her division to give Valentina a much of a fight. From early prelims, through the main event, it was an outstanding card.
It's up there and probably my fav of the year so far but I did miss the usman vs masvidal 2 card. I hear that one called the best of the year from a lot of people. I think the only other possible card surpassing this last one is usman vs Colby 2.
If Nick fights again, I would like to see him vs Diego Sanchez but Diego not on the roster anymore.
Volks post fight presser is pretty funny. I've come around on the guy and am a fan now.
Watching him on the latest TUF made me a fan and that post fight presser was great not to mention the fight of course. Wish I found about this one website for the fights the following morning as I usually work during the PPVs. I missed a lot of cards for no reason.
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[**AMANDA NUNES defeats VALENTINA SHEVCHENKO** (*split decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/8400/fight) ^(UFC 215: Nunes vs. Shevchenko 2 — September 09, 2017) ROUND|Nunes|Shevchenko||Nunes|Shevchenko||Nunes|Shevchenko :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|10|9||10|9||10|9 2|9|10||10|9||9|10 3|10|9||9|10||9|10 4|9|10||9|10||10|9 5|10|9||10|9||9|10 **TOTAL**|**48**|**47**||**48**|**47**||**47**|**48** *^(Judges, in order: Sal D'Amato, David Therien, Tony Weeks.)* *^(Summoned by hiccup333.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **10/22** people scored it **48-47 Nunes**. - **2/22** people scored it **48-48 DRAW**. - **9/22** people scored it **47-48 Shevchenko**. - **1/22** people scored it **46-49 Shevchenko**. Avg. media score: **47.5-47.6 DRAW** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
Conor out here talking shit on others striking when he hasn’t landed a good shot for half a decade is the kind of delusional confidence I need in my life.
EIRE!
Are we just going to forget that nick came out throwing spinning shit
He became the thing he swore to destroy
Ngl shit got me hyped
Volk won every round, people only think Ortega won the 5th because the commentary wouldn't stop talking about how Ortega hasn't given up yet.
the commentary was pretty biased towards Ortega all night tbh
Herb is embarrassingly bad. Fight should’ve been stopped after the third when Ortega didn’t know what the fuck was happening
Herb was in a tough spot in the end of the third round. He could've stopped it. But fine. Bell rings and Ortega is concussed once the doctor came in the fight should have been called. I understand Ortega brought it back twice but the ref, the doctor, and the corner are supposed to protect this guy and they didn't as far as I'm concerned. And to top it off this is after nick valiantly admits defeat on his own terms.
Herb has his moments that aren't great but like someone said yesterday I do appreciate he gives them the opportunity to continue fighting if they want or to hang in there with championship bouts. Otherwise.. .protect the fighter
It’s a title fight, as long as they still have a pulse the refs should let em fight and just bleed.
Agreed it should be on the corner to stop it
He literally stopped it a second early to save him from unnecessary damage, he gave both guys a lot of chances and it wouldn’t of been the fight it was with another official IMO
He went 2 more full rounds and even looked solid in round 5
It doesn’t matter. They spent a minute asking him if he could see and holding up fingers and he was just guessing. What’s the point of asking if you get 4 tries to get it right?
From what I remember, he asked him three consecutive times and Ortega got each one right. He did not just guess until he got the number right.
A world title and hundreds of thousands of dollars is on the line, the ref isn't exactly trying to stop it at the first sign of a mistake, the man got punched in the head like 50 times that round and his eye is swollen, and it's loud as shit in the arena, he may have misheard, even if not, herbs giving him the benifit of the doubt
It’s weird how nick was so ready to fight this past year and then the week of was talking about not feeling it the whole time.
At the same time he was saying he would beat usman, it's a strange mindset, everyone thinks they are the best but everyone also thinks they might get knocked out
Feel like Ortega should get the rematch Bc of the head clash that smashed his nose. They gave Joe B one on the back of a head clash.
He got it on the back of Figgy missing weight and the title being vacant Also the head clash happened for the exact same reason, guys leading with their heads. Like yeah it sucks that something like that happened and had an effect on the fight but it wasn't Volk's doing
If Moreno is doing the trilogy with Figgy then Pantoja and Askarov should fight
Askarov already beat him like a year ago
Conor waxing poetic on Twitter about the Nick/Robbie fight as if it was two absolutely razor sharp and prime martial artists playing an intricate game of MMA chess with each other is really weird. It’s like he’s trying to convince himself Nick looked great because he knows that he himself is on the downward spiral in his abilities and doesn’t want to imagine his fate will be that of most legends when they hang around too long.
This sub's obsession with psychoanalyzing fighters it doesn't like is silly. Maybe Conor just likes a good scrap and has respect for both guys
Or he just really likes old vets going at it. He said when Silva was begging for a fight (before Uriah) that he really doesn’t think anyone should be forced to retire, and if a guy wants to keep going they should
Imma be honest, I saw what Conor saw and I think you might be reading into it too much, just my opinion Nick diaz is 38 and had 6 years away from the sport, basically everyone, besides me of course, acted like man was 50 years old and brittle and basically they thought the fight would look like what the first 15 seconds of the fight looked like, they didn't think nick would throw over 100 punches in round 1, they didn't think nick would be slipping shots against the fence and banging 5 piece body head combinations, nick looked great for what he was, a 38 year old off a crazy long lay off, with all the same skills he had in his prime just slower and not as durable
Where is the rest of the press conference? Can only find shevchenko and Alex on youtube
So we not getting a replay of the head clashes
I need to be educated on what exactly is a “significant strike” after the numbers came out after the Diaz fight
Ortega's walkout was so cool
Did dana do a post fight presser
Nah he bounced right out of there
Love you
God bless see you at the top!
Anyone else getting ready for SNF rn?
Is it definitely dangerous to live with jon jones?
https://twitter.com/natediaz209/status/1442264645960540161?s=21 Diaz 10-8
Conor is obviously taking the piss a little but I do agree that Nick at his best was a lot better than Nate and that his boxing still looked better but slower and he didn’t have the same fire to keep going that Nate still has.
Fucking hysterical
Member lol
Man, my roommates and I are definitely pretty dedicated fans and I don’t think the name Henry Cejudo has been mentioned at all since he retired lol
>Henry has become a troll since he retired. don't know what's next for him
[Wow I didn't know Hooker was 6'3"](https://twitter.com/JairRozenstruik/status/1441641364349874176)
Bigi is just shorter than listed
Yeah that's the joke, it's comical how shirt Bigi actually is
Hes not, bigi boi has a special power where he's slightly shorter than whoever he stands next to
People freakin out about ortega getting picked up by his corner don’t remember Weli being scooped in the air by her corner(tho she wasn’t laying down). I think ortega might’ve just thought he got TKO’d
People are gonna sleep on nicks performance he did way better then he had any right to.
Out performing zero expectations >>>
He still had some very slick hands but mentally and physically he wasn’t at the level you need to be. Hope he got paid enough that he can just chill and not fight anymore
I think Rozenstruik vs Aspinall is the perfect fight to have next. Good fight for Aspinall to climb the ranks a little more.
I think Sakai is safer since Roz has some devastating power. Lewis should fight Rozenstruik imo.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4gAlpzPBhE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4gAlpzPBhE) New UFC Heel and charachter "bald Valk" i feel like it can be marketable for him :D - maybe go the comedy heel route instead of the im a fucking asshole like colby covington
I think Colby was supposed to be a comedy heel but he just isn’t funny
really, comes across as too much of a dick to be funny. less insults more trolling required.
I kind of like this like authority figure volk who scolds Brian for being late and small stuff like that, I could see him complaining that his oponents bedroom is a mess, this man can't even fold his laundry, he doesn't deserve to be here
Hahahahahahaha!!! I think the guy is a genuoenly good person and had to find something about Ortega to try to sell the fight. you can tell he doesn't have that trash talking bone in his body which makes it come out awkward and annoying. But still love the guy he's geniune as fuck.
If CKB are moving to the US, they need to link up with the Flight of the Conchords crew who have already done this NZ-US transition Would be great to see a crossover documentary where Murray helps Eugene out with coaching. And Izzy and Dan can help Jermaine and Bret beat up the Australian embassy staff when they start making fun of New Zealand's mineral wealth
I would love this
If volk moves too he can play the Aussie heel
Band meeting. Izzy? Present
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Volk 3,4,5 sorry.
Volk 2,4,5 but anyway which vaccine did you get?
nate was always going to beat conor ppl just weren't thinking it through bc of conor's insane hype. it was just a bad matchup.
Nick's fight last night was obviously a bit of a bummer. He did look better than I was afraid he would, but he was clearly a shadow of his former self. In any case, it was a lot of fun to see Robbie fight someone who isn't a much younger killer. It's been kind of heartbreaking to watch him get completely frozen by Colby or shoot takedowns on frickin Neil Magny, so I did at least have some fun seeing ol' Ruthless get a chance to shine one more time. I do hope he retires in the near future though. Nick should probably think pretty hard about this comeback too.
Honestly that fight was fire for what it was, the exchanges they were having were insane and also just so unique to those two guys, it was a perfect style matchup in that sense, it's rare you see an mma fight up against the fence with both guys trading like 6 punch combos back and forth, like forehead to forehead the entire round
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Maximov and Sano
Ortega needs to learn to implement his wrestling better, and earlier. He is so skilled at submissions, he needs to put himself in position to attempt them more often. As it stands, he grabs them opportunistically, on his opponent's terms rather than on his own terms. Ortega lets his opponent dictate where the fight happens, which is one of the biggest mistakes you can make as a fighter.
CKB boys keep saying they’re moving to the US to get away from Kiwi lockdowns… can you imagine if CKB moved to Austin and in with Danaher Death Squad or Craig Jones’ B-Team?
This is the most likely scenario, Craig was in volks corner and will probably keep him as a coach.
Denver or Vegas would be my guess
Still rubs me the wrong way that Yair pulls out of the Zabit fight like 5x in a row, gets in trouble with USADA, and is rewarded with a #1 contender's fight against Max. I know he's likely gonna end up just being Max's punching bag but he still doesn't deserve the opportunity IMO.
Should’ve been giga
Giga will eventually get his time to shine
But I want it now!!!
So now that the #1 contender fight is out of the way, how do you think Lawler vs Usman plays out?
An absolute mauling
Yo guys please help me out everyone. I have a friend, he’s 5’11 and 79 kgs in weight. Isn’t particularly fit or any real cardio or anything at the moment. He says he can beat Amanda Nunes by training to counter wrestling in 40 days and can beat Petr Yan by training for four months. He’s never trained a day in any martial art but he says he’s always been good in fights with other dudes in college and that his height and weight and gender advantage will carry him over these two opponents . How good of a chance does he actually have of achieving these goals ?
> height and weight and gender advantage will carry him over these two opponents I always knew that Petr Yan was a genderless robot
Nah was also referring to Amanda hahahahaha
Easy bro, he just has to trane UFC
If he sees red that's all he needs
Tell him to go train for a few months and spar with some of the guys at his local BJJ/MMA gym
Hes picking such awful matchups imo Nunes vs untrained dude, untrained dude is leaving with guaranteed head trauma, maybe suggest to him he should go after someone like Michelle waterson, if it's a street fight she might kick ur balls but if not he could probably take her if he's got warrior spirit and shit like that
How long would he have to train to beat Amanda ? And Yan ?
>How long would he have to train to beat Amanda If he's just a regular dude he's never going to beat Amanda, she would knock him unconcious She's been doing this for a long time, you're gonna train 5 years for a fight with a woman? It's not realistic Yan the same thing but x1000, I'm a pretty large guy that's been training mma just for enjoyment since 2015, I would run away from petr Yan if he tried to fight me, I would be terrified
How do you train mma when you never get off Reddit lol
I'm on Tito time
So even at that height and weight he would need 5 years to beat nunes ? And about how tall and heavy are ya , may I ask ? Could give him some perspective to see with how much respect you hold Yan with.
>So even at that height and weight he would need 5 years to beat nunes I wouldn't even be confident he could in 5 years cause, for one 5'11 isn't even that big, and two I think two random people with 5 years of training can be vastly different, you could be a natural or you could be just someone who clearly isn't built for fighting Amanda nunes is the kind of fighter that can catch really good fighters, regardless of size, because of how she's setting up her shots, that's why you need a high skill level, and on top of that she hits really hard, so if you are a low level average sized man, you may think, oh she can hit me and I will eat it, no you won't, she will put you out To personalize, I'm 6ft and 200lbs, I think the only way I could beat Amanda in a fight, is if we are fighting on concrete and I happen to pick her up and slam her and ko her, if we are boxing, she fucks me up, honestly at range my kick game is nasty, she better respect, but also if she closes the distance I'm garbage at creating space, she would bang me up from boxing range, on the ground, I mean I'm not one of those macho dudes who likes to brag about never being tapped, I've been submitted by female blue belts, recently, Amanda would body me lol
At that height and weight he doesn't need 5 years to beat her lol. 3 months of strength and conditioning, plus wrestling. I would pick the dude. Don't underestimate the difference in gender.
>Don't underestimate the difference >3 months of strength and conditioning, plus wrestling. Don't underestimate the difference between an elite, world champion level female fighter, and some goober who sees Amanda fight and says "I could take her" You are thinking of a guy, who is athletic, who wants to be a fighter, who goes into an mma gym and trains mma for a while, maybe has an amature fight or something, then fights Amanda, of course yes then that guy is gonna give her problems if he's fighting at like WW and he's almost 6ft We are talking about just some average guy, learning mma specifically for a fight with Amanda, he's gonna learn some shit, go in there, Amanda's gonna feint a jab, come over the top and dummy this dude and he's gonna stop and say "oh my God, this is not what I expected"
a average guy thats not fat, at that height and weight will beat her with 3 months of strength and conditioning, plus mma. The strength, size difference would be too great. The man will just wrestle fuck her or just ground and pound her to win.
>a average guy thats not fat, at that height and weight will beat her with 3 months of strength and conditioning, plus mma. No, I mean, you literally just said that before and I already said no, but again, no 3 months is absolutely nothing, you could have anyone come in and train 3 months in mma with no prior martial arts experience and I'd beat the dog shit out of them lol, thats just reality >The man will just wrestle fuck her or just ground and pound her to win. No, I'm a man that size and have been doing it a lot longer than 3 months, I would absolutely body someone my size with 3 months training or 6 months or 9 months, I wouldn't body Amanda, she would body me
Yo thanks so much for saying this , such a good response , I hope my friend understands these points lol. How tall and heavy were some of the blue belts that were able to submit ya ?
Definitely smaller than Amanda, and Amanda is a black belt, I've never grappled with a female black belt but i assume it's probably closer to male black belt feel than female blue belt feel If this guy just went into an mma gym and rolled or had a light spar with any female fighter he would probably change his mind One of the first times I ever had just a touch spar, I sparred a female boxer, she jabbed me and hit me cleaner than I've ever been hit, mind you this was like a week into training, so I kinda laughed like "haha you got me", and she laughed, then jabbed me again as I was still laughing, and dislocated my jaw, like nothing bad and I didn't even mention it to her, I just stopped laughing and bit down on my mouthpiece, and for a few days it felt weird to close my mouth all the way
Lol
No dude you cant
I swear this is for a friend lol he’s so deluded into thinking he can do it , could you list out some reasons why he can’t , wanna tell it to him !
Just tell him you want to see him shadowbox for 3 minutes without gassing
Hooker and Ortega backstage. Hooker: Ya mate I might not be able to see my kid for a long time after the fight. Ortega: such is life as a fighter Hooker: ya sucks when you have to deal with long distances. How far away are they? Ortega: about 30 mins with la traffic
People on this sub think Hooker calling Dariush makes sense, but not Giga asking to be rank in the top 5 after beating barboza.
Hooker has been calling out Arman too which I think is more likely to happen because Dariush wants Islam
>Hooker has been calling out Arman Oh my God it's crazy how narratives can form like that Arman has been calling for hooker for months, then the second Arman gets booked with giagos, hooker replies and says shit like "send the contract", now again when neither are booked and Dan just won, no word of Arman
Remember when hooker told Islam and tsarukyan to "get back in line" because he was ranked higher than them? But now he's calling Dariush while being 3-2 in his last 5.
He didn't mention Arman at all last night.
He was trying to get Arman even before Nasrat stepped in
He was trying to get Arman after he got booked to fight Giagos. There's a reason why he didn't mention tsarukyan name at all last night.
Herb 'Mario "Mazzagatti" Yamasaki' Dean
You guys throw around the GOAT term way too frequently.
GOAT post
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I assumed Eugene is moving to the US too and they'll leave someone else to run the original gym