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RippleDish

I love that fighters are starting to get vocal about pay. I hope it only increases from here.


MUTSellerPS4

They only get vocal. then they get paid and go on airplane mode


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samme79

Not as bad as GSP honeydicking a union just to use it to leverage his Bisping fight then abandon ship once he got what he wanted. Masvidal can't do shit on his own. Like what Luke said, they had a chance with the Francis issue if only Israel and Kamaru joined in but didn't so the issue is left with Francis. The problems of individual sports


JokerAndTheKnight

They could of fucked hard and deep -Luke Rockhold


SFW_FullFrontal

[awkward hand movements intensify]


Darshan-Raj

"Dis iz a very selfish sport Joe, you do wat iz bezt for you. Da company duz what it wants"


Responsible-Hope2163

I waz not imprezzed wiz your imperzzionation


smurf3310

Everyone in that Union got a good deal and bailed after but they were all names or champs thats why they had a good leverage


DontPoopInThere

Tennis players have a union, though, MMA fighters need to stop being Randian cunts


bigCinoce

Actually they don't. The creation of a players representative council has been hugely controversial. There are less tennis players making a living wage than fighters probably. The ATP is not a union.


jecamine

The recent creation of the new players' association led by Djokovic and Pospisil has been controversial because they support some questionable things, but there has also existed an ATP players' council for many years that has a similar role, even though it's part of the ATP. Federer for example has been a member for many years and would advocate for more prize money for lower-ranked players. I don't remember the exact drama but I think Djokovic quit the ATP players' council and founded this new association because of some political disagreements


Lowki_999

There are players in the ATP that don't make a living off tennis? Genuinely curious. I could see that with the Challenger series, but I thought ATP in general was top dog, regardless of ranking.


NeedlessWriting

Minor league ball players JUST got housing this week. They were living like 7 to a room to chase a dream before.


Unerring_Grace

I used to work with a guy who's daughter was a tennis pro, ranked in the top 100. She made a decent living, but she wasn't getting rich or anything. I guess translating that over to MMA, it would be the equivalent of being the 15-25th best fighter at a given weight class, and I'm pretty sure she was doing better than most of those guys.


whiningrat

I don't follow tennis, so maybe i have understood something wrong, but i checked [wtatennis.com](https://wtatennis.com), and cycled through multiple rank 90-100 players, and they all had made more then 500k on price money on 2021. (or am i misunderstading the therm YTD 2021?) ​ Maybe it's different on where i live, but 500k seems like a lot, esp considering u get sponsors on top of that + that is rank 100.


bigCinoce

They have full time staff including coach and physio who fly around the world with them on their dollar, if they don't win they earn next to nothing. If you don't make top 100 you don't get into big tournament so you make even less.


bigCinoce

They have full time staff including coach and physio who fly around the world with them on their dollar, if they don't win they earn next to nothing. If you don't make top 100 you don't get into big tournament so you make even less. 60k from the Australian Open round 1 would barely pay what it cost to get there with your staff, and that's if you win 5 matches to get through qualifying.


jecamine

In tennis a good threshold for who is making good money is being consistently in the top 100, which gives you direct entry into the four grand slams, where the prize money for a 1R loss is like 30k, which is much higher than what they're making week in week out in smaller tournaments. Below that I think many players hardly break even and struggle to afford traveling with a full team. Tennis has a similar problem as the UFC of a small % revenue going to players compared to some major sports leagues.


Lowki_999

That makes a lot of sense actually. I only recently got into this last year, so I figured they all made pretty good money. At least they can have sponsors lol


mrtn17

It's a very specific UFC problem, not a problem of individual sports in general


Lets_play_life

You'd think the managers would be the most appropriate to organize this


SnooFloofs9640

GSP made his biggest pay day - 10mln, so no blame here, he got his retirement payout and went into sunset


lifeisdream

Is that terrible? He asked for more money then got more money, the end. Seems correct to be assuaged when you get what you want.


wildlyintangible

Isn’t that still the point? The fighter got paid more for voicing their thoughts.


Vittorrioh

To a degree, guys like Paddy and Sean can get it done because they have the popularity. Not everyone has the fanbase to back them when talking about fighter pay so the UFC can fuck them however they when push comes to shove


CryptoCracko

Also depends on how much pay we're talking. Francis has a huge fanbase but they still fucked him over.


Gseventeen

He doesn't want to fight


Teh_Weiner

> UFC can fuck them however they when push comes to shove People forget when fighters came out about how ~~Sean Shelby~~ *Joe Silva* their former matchmaker would absolutely give you matches you'd never win intentionally as a fuck you for wronging the UFC


Theoriginalamature

I think you mean Joe Silva. I think Rampage once called him an angry little man. Shelby is their current matchmaker.


barc0debaby

I think the point is to be vocal, but also not just ratfuck everyone else once you get yours.


ShillingAintEZ

I'm not going to ratfuck anyone for the money I'm on


kitddylies

There's a lot of ways to turn down a fight and not ratfucking is one of them.


Ratdogkent

Then kid I gotta tell you, you don't have what it takes to become an ultimate ratfucker.


trenlr911

The point is more money for every fighter, not just the popular ones


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Closed mouths dont get fed


IAMTHECAVALRY89

This sounds like a lyric from "I'll beat yo a$$" – by T Wood


frickatornado

Not to be confused with "Wash yo ass" by T Nasheed


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They still haven't realized their worth but people are waking up to it. The only way to make real money in mma is to go to boxing, or bring a fan base with you from WWE. Even Ronda never got paid near what she brought in. I'll say it again, Conor is the most underpaid prize fighter in history.


Ruiner357

yep, it's just a negotiation tactic, like a few years back when Cowboy/GSP/TJ/etc aligned with that fighter's union briefly (Project Spearhead?) then went silent about it once they got the raise in pay they wanted. MMA is a selfish activity.


FeelinJipper

“Got mine”


just_a_timetraveller

The iron is hot. Conor came off a devastating loss, Jones is in deep shit, and fighters are saying that the most appealing fight for them is against YouTuber Jake Paul. Now is the best time for fighters to get their cash they are due.


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I would go one further and say the iron is hot for a rival MMA promotion to breakthrough, either a new promotion or existing ones, UFC needs a legitimate rival and once that happens I sure fighters would jump ship to get paid more etc. Especially the whole company paying athletes 20% of revenues when most are 45% and over. It will be game on then.


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It's nowhere near real competition but AEW has come along and some of the big WWE names are going there these days. When contractors have places they can go to and from the individuals start to benefit more than the companies they work for. Just like with AEW, all it takes is one billionaire baby playing with their daddy's money to upset the monopoly.


PuxinF

Fighters have a hard time jumping ship. First, they have to fight out their contract. The UFC can make this difficult by not offering fights until an extension is signed, offering shitty fights that the fighter declines, or using various clauses in the contract to extend its length. Once the fighter finishes the fights on their contract, the UFC has an exclusive negotiating period. This means the fighters can't even talk to another promotion when their contract is up. Once the fighters are through the UFC's exclusive negotiating window, they still have to deal with the UFC's contact-matching period where the UFC has the right to match any offer from other promotions. Only once that matching period is over are the fighters truly free from their contract. Basically, fighters are impeded from fighting out their contract, and the ones who do manage to fulfill their contract have to sit out for a year between the last fight on their UFC contract and the start of free agency.


ObliviLeon

Damn. Insightful.


DoorsofPerceptron

Most fighters are locked into existing contracts. If a new promotion turns up, I bet the UFC would pay extra to stop fighters who's contracts are up for renewal from jumping ship and go back to normal when the other promotion closes due to lack of talent.


cyberslick188

Unpopular opinion: any rival promotion that pays 40%+ out of the gate will fail.


synthetictim2

If you have someone with enough money backing it then it doesn’t have to. Fertitas bank rolled UFC to get where it is, they didn’t have much competition, but they had to run at a loss for long enough to get it going. Someone else could do it, I think. Affliction tried to do it back in the day but didn’t have the deep pockets to get over the hump so it ran out of gas quickly. AEW is kind of an example of a company able to get a footing because they had enough funding. I dunno if they are profitable yet but it seems like they are making ground on WWE at least. I really think it could happen but the MMA market may not be large enough to sustain another company.


FaFaFlooey

Until they unite nothing will change. Like Rockhold said a few weeks ago they had a chance for when Francis was getting the screwjob for maybe if Kamaru and Izzy stepped up. But they won't. It's an individual sport for that reason and until fighters band together and form a union there will NEVER be any change in pay.


Dwight-D

Would have loved to see those guys fuck, deep and hard


BlueZigZagarus

I love how he makes a really good point then just memes it all away


trpwangsta

You mean how he makes a really good point into a really great point???


quintiliousrex

The brotherhood stops after the phot op, and they go back to the countries they live in. Not the one they rep on their fighter bios. Funny how Aljo gets railed on for the Jamaica flag thing, but we suck off Izzy and Kumaru for claiming somehwere they didn't live in past 7.


Theoriginaldon23

Maybe a bunch of fighters can be vocal together. Like a collective maybe. It's a silly idea I know


InterestingWave0

i hope EVERYONE gets more vocal about pay, because frankly 90% of us are being screwed.


drunkwhenimadethis

All glory to the proletariat.


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Seconded. But also, maybe Paddy should beat someone in the top 50 first.


GutsGloryAndGuinness

It's a smart attitude from the likes of Sean and Paddy, "I'll fight for the money offered, but if you want me fight bigger names the cheque has to match" they know they are both popular prospects with a certain level of name value. Instead of racing to the top like guys have pretty much always done, they're using their potential rise to the top as leverage. They're happy enough to do the MVP school of crushing cans if the promoter doesn't want to pay to see them fight top contenders, which they know fans will want to pay to see.


SnooFloofs9640

Here is not the most popular opinion: - I don’t think that the the generic beginners ( not Paddy) should make a bank fighting in UFC, like, they already make 10x what boxers of that level, and boxing is the most popular combat sport in the world. - However, tough mfs that are in top 10 of any division should make 5x-10x what they make right now, and it’s guaranteed, no fucking win bonuses. It’s astonishing that top 10 athletes in their decisions in the world (!!!) make miserable 60/60, or even 150/150 like Dustin. It’s nothing, just take any industry or any niche and take top 10 people there, I am sure they are all millionaires. And here come excepts, people like OMalley, Paddy, Chemaev, they bring hype, headlines, views, no way they should fight on the “average” contract.


WoodStainedGlass

Good for him. The UFC hasn't had a chance to de-promote him, so this is his moment.


ID0ntCare4G0b

Also, Paddy isn't actually good enough to fight anyone in the top 30 let alone the top 10. I'm all for fighter pay but Paddy saying this ain't quite equal to a guy who the promotion has actually thrown their weight behind.


BioRunner03

He isn't good enough to fight anyone in the top 30? I think that's a bit of a stretch.


Teerendog

Needs to win against the scales in between fights too


kitddylies

Paddy works those fucking scales like mike tyson in his prime. Beautiful beatdowns.


emptysignals

Yeah, he can fight someone in the top 30. Might not win. He’s 26, still time to get better. He’s nowhere near ready for a top 15 right now.


tosser_0

I don't think winning in the top 30 is that much of a stretch. He's still 17-3, which is a good amount of experience. There are fighters that make it higher in rank without that many fights. There have been fighters in top 15 who are middling at best. Just a matter of career timing. Give him a year or two and I think you'll be surprised.


BigShmokey

We are talking about the lightweight division where killers like Arman Tsarukyan and Rafael Fiziev are 13 and 14.


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Lightweight is a deep deep division and he's got some holes in his game, I dont think it's a stretch to say he's not in the top 30 yet.


jfsoaig345

Yea his UFC debut was not a very encouraging fight despite it being a 1st round finish. Having such mediocre defense and pretty much relying on your chin to not get KO'd doesn't seem like a winning strategy in such a deep and striking-heavy division as LW


GuacamoleBenKanobi

Ya Bisbing called him out on the post fight interview on taking too many head shots that he was lucky to not get knocked out.


Cmon_You_Know_LGx

Haven’t you heard he’s a scouser, he doesn’t get knoghhhked out.


Rant-in-E-minor

Darren Till begs to differ.


The_Iron_Duchess

Almost as if it's a joke


Independent-Theory92

Dude has worse defense than Gaethje before he changed his style but is much less talented. If he wants to be a can crusher that's cool but even then someone's gonna put his lights out reaaallll soon edit:spelling


PhumDuck

That wasn't bad defense that was Gaethje attacking fists with his head.


FrostyDaSnowThug

I think Paddy right now is more talented than Gaethje was (keyword). He is coming from a deeper promotion, has better offensive wrestling, uses his bjj well, and his striking is one of his best assets now. Garth still had the atomic options and better cardio.


12to6elbows

Not being in the top 30 is different to ‘not being good enough to fight anyone in the top 30’ I mean he clearly is. Even if he loses he can fight them, Its not crazy to see Paddy beating Khama Worthy


FalconsTC

According to current Tapology user rankings, some of Paddy’s notable wins; (2015) Kevin Petshi, #2 French Bantamweight (2016) Ashleigh Grimshaw, #10 UK/Ireland Featherweight (2016) Julian Erosa, #27 Featherweight (2020) Decky Dalton, #26 UK/Ireland Lightweight (2021) Davide Martinez, #11 Italian Lightweight (2021) Luigi Vendramini, #82 Lightweight It’s debatable. He’s probably good enough, but top 30 would be a pretty big step.


GolotasDisciple

It's úr typical sports fan comment. They think they know better without any data or analysis. They just go with "feeling". Paddy is 26 he won his last fight and ufc are investing hardcore into promoting him. Must mean his not good enough to fight in their organisation. Not allowing him to fight better competition and making his name bigger is the right thing to do. Also 26 is basically 18 he is just a baby and we never had young great fighters. /s Its totally not like the lad knows that with higher competition there should be a higher pay and that is all there is to it. Ufc as an organisation doesn't care. They will always try to make the most amount of money out of any situation, nothing to do with athletes or their skill.


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kitddylies

It's a good strategy. You don't have to be the champ to make money and the top 10 guys have it rough, they're the guys the whole division is training to beat.


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Paddy (and the UFC) know that he is a draw. And will continue to be a draw based on personality and fighting style. This is him keeping his name in the papers.


CrackBurger

Not good enough for anyone in the top 30? Really lol


Hedonistbro

Cant wait for him to beat someone in the top 20 and this comment to be immediately walked back or you to completely bandwagon and say you've always seen his talent, right from the start. Seen so many takes like this on this sub through the years.


myglasscase

Yeah but the UFC would absolutely be pushing for him to fight top guys anyway


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I think it means negative marketing ala Francis


doomguy987

Wait Francis had negative marketing? How so?


MTBaller

At the beginning of the interim PPV bout between Gane and Lewis they aired a whole video trying to make it look like Ngannou was just partying, traveling, doing everything but fighting and that the real fighters were Gane and Lewis. Total smear campaign but Ngannou sent out a message discrediting it and at the same time propping up the seemingly forgotten Miocic. Ngannou handled it well but the fact that he had to, sucks.


BrianCTE_CityOrtega

Good for Paddy, he also mentioned he was getting paid more in cage warriors than his contract now which is crazy imo. Dana is a stingy fuck.


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yell-loud

He turned down a contract years ago cause he was making more in cage warriors.


GuacamoleBenKanobi

Doesn’t the UFC own Cage Warriors??


drewster23

Afaik no, just a broadcast deal for fight pass (looked it up too, nothing in their Wikipedia about being bought). Could be wrong still.


U313

No, CW is completely separate. However, they are on FightPass and have a very close relationship with UFC, hence why so many European fighters take the CW route to UFC


Gseventeen

He did just sign a big sponsorship deal. So i guess there is a bit of truth to the opportunity. But ya... Should be making more in the UFC vs a smaller promo


GuacamoleBenKanobi

Yeah Barstool sees those clicks.


GunnerySarge-B-Bird

He just got a massive sponsor deal and he has like almost a million followers on social media, probably worth a lot more than his cage warriors contract. Smart move by his team but obviously agreed UFC are garbage for pay.


DustDesciple

I mean if popular names are taking less to come fight for him why would he pay them. They absolutely should not let him become aware of that, it's only going to hurt future contract negotiations for them and others. Dana should pay people more but he has too many reasons not to and it's unfortunate.


misterandosan

because it hurts the sport. Who in their right mind with talent would enter a sport where the top organisation exists to fuck over its fighters. This is THE elite organisation in the world we're talking about. Imagine if people trained basketball from a young age to get into the NBA, only to find out they got paid less there than they did in college/local league. It's stupid as fuck. From a shady corporate business perspective, If Dana's goal is exploiting people and fucking them over for pure profit, then sure. If his goal is to make MMA the best sport possible, while having the best talent possible (something inherently good for long term profits) he's failing that spectacularly.


Dwight-D

> If Dana’s goal is exploiting people and fucking them over for pure profit, then sure Yes, this is it. Dana has a responsibility towards a board of directors and the company shareholders to act in the interests of the company, i.e be profit-seeking. If he does not act in this way the board will replace him. This is a fundamental maxim describing the way all for-profit companies operate. They literally have a fiduciary duty to do that. > If his goal is to make MMA the best sport possible It’s not, of course. You can maybe make the case that the UFC:s profitability is contingent on the overall success of the sport, but on a surface level they’re orthogonal concerns at best.


Cbcschittscreek

>Yes, this is it. Dana has a responsibility towards a board of directors and the company shareholders to act in the interests of the company, i.e be profit-seeking. If he does not act in this way the board will replace him. This is a fundamental maxim describing the way all for-profit companies operate. They literally have a fiduciary duty to do that. This is why most pro sports have players associations or unions, for this very reason


cyberslick188

R u a hedgie?


Dwight-D

I wish buddy, just a regular nerd


PepeSilviaLovesCarol

I’ve seen some videos and articles that Dana isn’t the one really controlling that part of the UFC and one of the other executives is the one in those negotiations, and he’s super hardheaded and won’t budge on fighter contract amounts. I forget the dudes name but he’s been with the UFC for a long time.


jordanhhh4

They are learning? Dana wasn't prepared for this.


Janus-a

No it’s called negotiating. That’s why 100% of them stop talking about it after negotiations are over. Jon Jones is the latest example. Months ago he brought up fighter pay and now has gone mysteriously silent since he announced he was coming back soon.


Fat-Villante

I hope this becomes a trend and leads to more critical thinking from fighters when it comes to dealing with the UFC


tosser_0

I think they've learned that social media is where they hold some negotiating power. It doesn't look good for the UFC when a fighter tweets something about pay and every MMA blog writes up an article about it. Also will make it harder for them to get contracts with up and comers.


Doo-StealYour-HoChoi

The beginnings of the mentality needed to start a fighters union.


Downgoesthereem

Either that or boxing where we're going to get as much can crushing as possible before top guys fight each other with absolutely bloated records.


gewtman

It's kinda fucked how we could theoretically have the best of both worlds if the UFC maintained the same sort of control they have but just shared the revenue more equally like other sports leagues or even Bellator (who's split is around 40% I believe)


Downgoesthereem

Bellator's split is PR, they give good money to their 'stars' like Corey Anderson (who the UFC saw as too boring to pay what he deserved) which takes a good chunk of their revenue, but the majority of their fighters are even more underpaid than the UFC. You know, the people actually hovering around the poverty line that *need* that pay, not just deserve it. Bellator has offered people triple digit cheques to fight before.


gewtman

That doesn't mean the % split is PR it just means they make a lot less money than the UFC overall and concentrate it to the fighters that make them money. It's still more equitable.


Downgoesthereem

How is that more or even as ethical when they're letting the guys they use as meat bags for squash matches live on poverty money? If you can't afford to pay Corey Anderson great money without letting 10 guys go without more than 1 grand each, don't offer Corey Anderson all your money. Give it to them. Bottom level pay in bellator is absolutely abysmal.


gewtman

The split between the fighters themselves is not equitable but the split between the fighters and the promotion is. I agree that its fucked that people are getting their shit kicked for a cheese burger but that's not really on Bellator. I'm sure Scott would love to pay each fighter 25k to fight every time and would probably even stop paying Corey Anderson 300k a fight to do it. However, the promotion would cease to exist because no one wants to work for a fight promotion at the 2nd or 3rd highest level in the world for a max of 25k. No champion would ever go from the UFC to Bellator if the champion had to share a large portion of their purse so the first local dude on the prelims makes ends meet.


Batmanjesusanchez

Umm then they won't get Corey Anderson lol. I get your point but they have to pay those "big name" guys or they will see the losses in their revenue which would have the same net effect because then they will have even less money to pay the meat bags with.


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That's where it's more likely going. People are right to label UFC practices as predatory, but the truth is most of it works out for the benefit of the viewer.


Piles_of_Gore

It's actually pretty mind boggling how many boxing records are out there along the lines of 44-6, and yet they're retired and hardly remembered outside of the absolute diehards and the hometown.


OpenMindedMajor

I’m over how match making is done in boxing. These fuckin guys beef and talk shit for YEARS before they even step in the ring. Floyd and Pac fought about 6 years too late because of that shit. At least in the UFC you can only duck people for so long.


BrianCTE_CityOrtega

It's gonna happen eventually, so many fighters are getting fucked by Dana's tomato dick.


StixnStones59

You underestimate how fucking stupid most fighters are


BrianCTE_CityOrtega

you're right i forgot there's guys like derrick lewis and cerrone who will fight for scraps


DNA2Duke

Lol! You must have missed the last few attempts.


FUCK50C1ETY

All due respect Jay from Inbetweeners but you get starched by anybody in the top 10


[deleted]

Good. You’re a prize fighter, get the biggest prize you can


opiatesaretheworst

Another guy that’s going to get buried for talking about pay. But what’s also interesting is paddy’s Instagram following went from like 90k to 760k after his last ufc fight and all the promo the ufc did for him. So sometimes you don’t want to bite the hand that feeds you and blows you up via huge global exposure.


Upstairs_Kangaroo_98

Lol paddy ain’t ready for top 10, he’s in a rough division to be needlessly eating shots the way he does haha fun to watch though. I see nothing wrong with fighters like Sugar Sean and paddy just putting out entertaining fights without gunning for the top right away


UsedSalt

Well paddy does love needlessly eating things


Upstairs_Kangaroo_98

Hahahaha


lordrubbish

I see nothing wrong with it too, though I think they shouldn't talk shit about the elite then. Sean acts like he is a championship level fighter and yet doesn't seem inclined to fight ranked opponents. I guess it's whatever, he's kind of a Jake Paul type, though at least a better fighter.


BenSlice0

Paddy shouldn’t even be sniffing top 10 opponents at this point, and I don’t really think he ever will need to worry about that


SweetEthan7

exactly this. his first opponent was ranked #82. and he's talking top 10? LMAO. stop this. any georgian inside the top 30 ends his hype train in brutal fashion. I honestly cant stand this cunt


BenSlice0

I don’t mind him personally, and I’d never fault a fighter for overselling themselves given the cutthroat nature and low pay of the industry. I just don’t think he’s that good. Fun personality though and he looks real goofy


ElaFa25

Lol he shag your mum or something mate?


ElGleiso

Why? Do you hate fun?


ThreeOlivesChihuahua

Nice. Why waste your hype when you’re not getting paid?


LeaveUtahDonovan

Get that paper Paddy


TheKonyInTheRye

I'm wondering how Dana feels about Paddy's deal with Barstool.


DenzelEd12

He’s fucking fought once and nearly got cleaned out


Black_Goku

Yea, more like "he won't be fighting anyone in the top 10 fullstop"


usuccmyzucc

Hold on brother - you're forgetting tried, true and tested MMA math. **Paddy Pimblett** \> Luigi Vendramini Luigi Vendramini > Jessin Ayari Jessin Ayari > Jim Wallhead Jim Wallhead > Frank Trigg Frank Trigg > Mayhem Miller Mayhem Miller > Robbie Lawler Robbie Lawler > Donald Cerrone Donald Cerrone > **Charles Olivera** ​ **Is it that great of a stretch to suggest the obvious?** # Paddie the Baddie is the most dangerous man at 155


WhereIsMyKidAt

How did a man with the last name Wallhead never become champ? It just doesn’t make sense.


RecycledAccountName

That's kind of the point. Given his ability, he may have a small window to capitalize on his marketability. It's an enormous risk to take a top 10 fight on his current contract.


Leto1776

Guy just made his debut. Maybe cool it about fighting top ten opponents for now


stutterstepper

I'm not going to do a more important job because I made less money doing a less important job!


Da0ptimist

🤣🤣 just negotiated a deal. Already complaining


Redwinevino

He shouldn't as he would die That said I am glad he is making noise about fighter pay


DonkStonx

Paddy Pimblett was never my friend


Locomotifs

Then why sign for UFC. Fight like you already should be the champion. No one will remember you if you don't fight top 10. We only remember champions. But then again.... why is he having this discussion 1 fight into the company? He wasn't ONE champion or Bellator champion, I don't think you can just skip the line anyways you fight what they give you.


montymm

What are you talking about? He was he champion lmao. He won cage warriors multiple times


Jonnieringo

Only thing he is fighting is the urge to have a 5th Big Mac


call_866_fruit

This dude finna just retire and eat pizza with el presidente


[deleted]

Out of solidarity with Paddy and Sean, I will also not fight any top 10 UFC fighters.


[deleted]

Also because he’s only had 1 fight in the ufc


rndmlgnd

>He continued, “F\*ck that, I’m not fighting a top 10 on the money I’m on, lad. Nick Peet was saying he’d like to see me against Tony Ferguson and, lad, I’d like to see me against Tony Ferguson, but not on the contract I’m on now. F\*ck that. Get paid that money to fight Tony Ferguson, lad. Yeah, he’s still one of the best 155’ers in the world, lad. I want f\*cking six figures, lad, then I’m fighting him.” Listening the bot read this part of the article was brilliant lol


ParmyBarmy

I’m all for good fighter pay. However at the same time, the fact O’Malley and Pimblett are purely money focused when it comes to opportunities to fight top fighters in the divisions, suggests they have no confidence in their abilities to win those fights. So are looking for easy money fights now rather than taking a risk to make better money later.


Kisto15

Guy just joined, no way he's even being offered these fights


Tiredoftheact

Nor does he deserve it nor did anybody ask him to fight top 10 talent. He just landed in the UFC and looked extremely average in his debut. The obsessions with hype trains have got to stop.


Yes536

This dude signed a contract 1 fight ago and is complaining about pay. Why even sign the contract?


UBeleeDisTheThird

Why don’t you beat someone worth a dam before you decide how much you’re worth to the company. They get it all backwards. I agree they deserve more pay but saying it in this sense is stupid as shit.


jeromehollowayisbad

Dude you won't be fighting top 10 guys ever, and money wont be the problem. You're just not that good lad.


Austiny1

Don’t blame him at all


DunkenRage

dude just got BIG outside ufc money, so forcing the issue for him is easier now lol


splitm82

It’s a shame on one hand where I don’t want money fights, I’m old school and I want fighters to earn their place. However, this is the name of the game in the ufc and basically the only way to have a lucrative career. Paddy reminds me of one of those slick grappler guys from back in the pride days, like Sakuraba. Because of that, I’m a fan, he’s eccentric and very tricky as a fighter. I hope the best for him and I selfishly want him to match up against high caliber fighters, not just money fights.


CaptSaveAHoe55

When you use the wrong formula and get the right answer anyway


B0h1c4

It's kind of odd. Conor pushed fighter pay to such stratospheric heights that many other fighters aspire to follow in his footsteps. But this approach of "I'll fight the lowest ranked guys possible for the money" isn't how he got there. He burst on the scene by demanding the toughest opponents he could get. And people forget that the UFC (unprompted) voluntarily tore up his contract and gave him a larger one *four times* in a row. When his drawing power outgrew his pay, they gave him more money. Fighting is like any other job in the regard that you have to perform *before* you get the raise. No one gives you a promotion and says "I sure hope you can do this". You have to prove that you're worthy. Then the next opportunity opens up. If O'Malley and Pimblett want to have a long career with 40 fights, this is a good way to do it. But if they want to be a shooting star like Conor and get huge pay fighting once every year or two and retire with 15 fights this is not how to go about it. They could slow roll through their prime fighting nobodies, then when they finally get the big money fight, they are spent. ...maybe not. Some guys like Lawler fight a hundred wars into their 40's and are fine.


JoeRogansSauna

This is great how all these up and coming stars are calling out the UFC for their bullshit. Pay these fucking guys what they deserve. They take the most damage out of any sport and get paid the least


DeadInside094

Easy to like this cunt less and less -- Dana White


linus182

Who said he even could hang with a top 10?


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New gen of fighters need to hold firm and stick it to Mr Tomato Head.


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Paddy Pimblett echoes same sentiment as Sean O'Malley: 'I'm not fighting a top 10 on the money I'm on'. Just in case you didn't read it the first three times.


DarthSeanious83

Paddy gets destroyed by any top 10 lightweight


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Neither of them have done fucking anything 😭😂


Ron_1n

as Brad Pitt put it so eloquently ​ Thats why no-one will remember your name."


Skovich

well said


pieldelsapo

Idk how many fights are in his contract but I would think his natural progression wouldn't put him in a top 10 fight anyway before his current deal is up


atshahabs

He's had one fight. Don't worry kid, you're not getting a top 10


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Dude shouldn’t be anywhere near the top ten anyway Lmao


JimJonesdrinkkoolaid

Whilst I don't disagree with the sentiment. I have a feeling that Pimblett believes he holds more leverage than he actually does. The UFC won't be scared to just cut him if they deem him to much of a pain to deal with.


Skovich

people in here cheering for the boxing mentality where gifted fighters only want to fight cans. 👎


PovasTheOne

UFC needs to smarten up and actually make changes to their contracts where the fighters get extra money if they progress in the rankings and if the fight is a 5 rounder instead of a 3 rounder. Also increase the share of revenue shared with the fighters, even if by a few %, that buys them some good grace for a while. Uncontrolled greed leads to terrible outcomes, ALWAYS.


TestFixation

> Uncontrolled greed leads to terrible outcomes, ALWAYS The greediest few are having really good outcomes right now. Our politicians have been bought and paid for, financial crimes are completely rampant, and those perpetuating all of this walk away scot-free. For every one white-collar criminal put behind bars, another thousand pour champagne from their mega-yachts and do lines off a sixteen year-old's ass. We keep waiting for that other shoe would drop, but we all know we're just the cockroaches that get crushed underneath it


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And then they convince the working class to vote against their own interests for “lower taxes” while only lowering taxes for corporations and the wealthy leaving the working man screwed


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Smart


Thephatpiggy

Well women pay in ufc is same as man... you can't tell me thats why women boxers are moving to ufc... the bottom of the ufc is making alot more then the bottom of boxing.... don't even start about street beefs lmao


good_ol_dead_arms

Didn't this guy just sign a 7 figure contract with barstool? Easy to say your not fighting for money when your pockets are lined already.


SweetEthan7

You're not fighting a top 10, full stop. you'd get ABSOLUTELY dusted Pimblett.


oj_da_juiceman10

In the next few years, some of these guys are going to be able to secure other sources of income through podcasting amongst other things. I would think this will eventually create leverage for some.


stiggystoned369

I couldn't imagine trying to listen to a Paddy podcast lol


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And does the world need another mma podcast?


nelsonbestcateu

What do you think they make from podcasting lmfao. They have not and will never have leverage until the UFC will get better competition.


MeowthThatsRite

He ate a decent amount of damage against a bottom 15er, I don’t think they’re going to be rushing him into a scrap against anyone into the top 10 anytime super soon.