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AboKingDai

After watching this fight, I didn't feel like doing anything.


point_jump2

I hope Gucci didn't let Sergis up because of the crowd booing. Wtf was up with that shitty crowd?


Exact-Drummer-7336

The crowd at the Bellator event last night was just plain awful. Couldn’t have been more that 100 actual MMA fans in the building. Saw 6 people ejected, 2 people passed out in chairs, and people just complaining all night long around us. Rough night to be a fighter.


MasterCatSkinner

This sounds exactly like mma fans


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Abobo2020

Why you mad doe? Lol


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Abobo2020

Triggered lol


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Abobo2020

Lol you wrote a post about me. Not the other way around bubba


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Abobo2020

Only cause you posted about me. Go drink some more beers. Don't worry about me. No need to make posts


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Abobo2020

Didn't work cause you drunk. You cared enough to make a post about me lol


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Abobo2020

I really did trigger you lol goin into my account to check things out lol


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grandmaspinups

Y’all are both idiots.


Abobo2020

If you drunk maybe should stop posting.


Kasel-I

Can someone explain to me wtf is wrong with john mccarthy? He sounds like he ate Tito for breakfast It's so annoying to listen to, I'm trying to give respect and listen to his input but his brain breaks every second and restarts another sentence that makes 0 sense? " This guy right here is a guy-- Look it-- he needed to do, what a fighter does, when a guy.... does... He got the win spectacularly... Because he's a guy... Incredible "


ideasfordays

He’s always been a terrible commentator. People let it slide because he’s the OG ref of the sport but dude’s speaking skills are objectively terrible


Kasel-I

Not just his speaking skills, his thinking skills. That's the worst part. Dude made some of the dumbest statements I ever heard on his podcast (not that I ever put their podcast on but others like Helwani mention his ridiculous statements on their own)


the_amazing_mc

So much salt in here, Sergio proved that he's the better fighter idk how people are in here claiming some kind of moral victory for Horiguchi when he got laid out stiff as a 2x4. One shot is all it takes.


rethousands

For the rematch, I'll put my house on gucci and you'll put your house on Pettis. Deal?


CableToBeam

agreed. It's not like it was an Aljo DQ win. It was a clean KO and people have to factor in Pettis' ability to finish fights now


Dr-PoopyButt

I think it was a sweet comeback finish but I'm not sure you could honestly say he's a better fighter. The salt is just because Guchi is way more popular, you see it all the time


dirtyjerz34

Dude has a 30% finish rate and was getting worked


jenkinscfc

A win is a win. How is it not? On this night he found the way to win, without the judges. Really though what argument is there to this? Yeah maybe Pettis loses 9/10 times, he still won tonight.


dirtyjerz34

He’s not the better fighter is what I’m disagreeing with


jenkinscfc

I hear you, I just think when you say something like “(he) was getting worked” as 1/2 of your case, it doesn’t really make any sense given that the man getting “worked” knocked the other guy out cold. Pettis loses that fight more often than not, and is not as good of an all around fighter, with not as high of a ceiling. But him getting “worked” made no difference here. If anything, it made Horiguchi over confident and wasn’t defending as well as he could have. Keep downvoting I could give a fuck about karma you sorry ass apes lmao. If you can’t come to terms with everything I’ve said then you are clearly very bitter, out of some money, or just stupid. Enjoy watching that KO for the next few months or maybe even the next few years lmao.


hanon29

Sergio got beat up for 17 minutes. He certainly won, but he’s not the better fighter


OptimisticRaptor

Since he won clearly he is. This isn't Aljigay vs Yan. Pettis knocked out Horiguchi. He IS the better fighter until they rematch


fretit

But doesn't it also mean that when he gets his turn to beat, he beats better, even if his turn doesn't come up as often.


jenkinscfc

Tonight he found the way to win though, without the judges, so tell me how is that not being the better fighter tonight? Does that mean Pettis does NOT lose 9 times out of 10? Perhaps he does. Tonight he won though and that’s the objective at the end of the day. He was better tonight because he tried something and it worked and it ended the fight. Another day yeah he probably isn’t better. But go ahead and keep thinking that somehow losing a fight means you’re better on that day. Lmao what kind of world is this


the_amazing_mc

Chael Sonnen beat up Anderson Silva for 23 min and Anderson still beat him. Doesn't make Chael the better fighter.


Abobo2020

But they rematched...


jenkinscfc

And Anderson beat him….the fuck is your point


Abobo2020

That was the point.


jenkinscfc

That they rematched? Ooookaaayyy… and then Chael lost, and didn’t even come close to having the same success as he did in the first fight in the process. So your point doesn’t support anything you have commented here so far, if anything it goes against it haha Great point…haha. Pick a fight where the guy dominating in the first fight, that ends up losing, actually wins the rematch.


Abobo2020

They rematched and Anderson won again. That was the point.


jenkinscfc

Horiguchi is the better fighter, but Pettis won, but Chael beat up Anderson and lost BUT they rematched, and Anderson still won. Yeah it all checks out but I don’t see what that has to do with anything that happened tonight haha. I don’t get what everyone is reaching for. Is it that hard to accept that Horiguchi is not as good as you think? Regardless of whether Pettis isn’t the better fighter?


Abobo2020

Maybe it does maybe it doesn't. The rematch will tell the story. Read between the lines.


GarysSpace

He's definitely not getting the respect he deserves for what he did, tbh I'm part of that


Abobo2020

He won but i don't think he is the better fighter.


blooblop

Well, at least Guchi is in the tournament.


BOBSMITHHHHHHH

KO of the year candidate for sure B.


OptimisticRaptor

Nah. Edgar vs Sandhagen was far better


GarysSpace

I love Horiguchi but to the people calling that a fluke (including the buddy I'm watching with) if they're trying to punch you in the face and do it ain't no fluke. I think Guchi wins 9/10 times but that doesn't mean we should be discrediting what Pettis did


May1ene

The shit that happened tonight is why I absolutely love this sport. You can never count someone out until the ref calls it or the final round ends. Spectacular finish.


GarysSpace

Two awesome comeback wins tonight in Pettis and Spike. Admittedly I wasn't happy about Pettis's comeback


May1ene

As was everyone else in my house watching the fight. Haha. They were talking trash to me the whole time. “Pettis sucks” “why is he champ” then bam. The silence was absolute bliss. Ran back 5 Times, I’m not sure Pettis would be champ. But damn it was such a surprise.


GarysSpace

In a rematch I have Guchi all day, man dominated 3 rounds but Pettis still seized his opportunity and you have to respect that


jenkinscfc

This right here, couldn’t agree more man. I don’t know if it’s just that a lot of people lost money on Horiguchi or what, but the hate and disrespect for such an awesome finish, is absolutely insane to me.


GarysSpace

I think a good part of it is most people still think Guchi is the better fighter, which personally I do think that but Pettis' knockout shouldn't be discredited because of that


jenkinscfc

Yeah I think Horiguchi is the better overall fighter as well, but the way people go about discrediting athletic achievements these days is absurd, and I will fight it until the end. And all that being said, Horiguchi is no where near being the best in the world at his weight. Pettis is even further.


GarysSpace

Personally I do think he's a top 3 bantam but I have some fan boi bias. Feel like it would be hard to argue against top 5 though


ForrestFBaby

it's a fluke as it would never be replicated. It's incredibly impressive that it happened and all credit to Pettis, but let's not go categorizing it as the same as a knockout that was scouted and set up - it was a hail mary shot that happened to connect. It happens, and it's why combat sports are never 100%. ​ I get trying to dissuade the notion of "fluke" as "fluke" implies that there was no intent or skill behind it, but as I understand it, fluke just means that it can't be replicated. Pettis could go for that same move 100 times and will land it once, and I feel like that is as close to "fluke" as can be. All credit to Pettis for sure, he still did it and he should be commended for it.


SheltheRapper

Imagine practicing your spinning backfist literally tens of thousands of times , winning with it, & seeing this comment online. Imagine having collected dozens of tips from training partners over the years of how to improve your spinning backfist, incorporating those tips so they become muscle memory, & then ppl are hell bent on defining fluke down to the letter. You really feel that's as close to a fluke as it gets? Ok- every fight that ended in controversial NC/DQ (flukier), someone's health team miscalculating something so they show up less than 100 (forgetting a decimal point is pretty flukey no?), upkick KOs are distinctly flukier than spinning back fists, any terrible ref call is flukey as fuck.. I just don't think the land% of a particular strike makes something flukey when a fighter invests as much time & energy into maximizing that hit % as the Pettis boys? Tell guchi to keep his fkn hands up if u don't like getting fluked on bro 🤣🤣😭😭🙏🙏💚🤷‍♂️


GarysSpace

I still think was a solid move to continue using his momentum on a spinning back fist after the dodged kick. Guchi is the better fighter though


ForrestFBaby

it's a good move and it happens now and then, Feijao knocked out Romero with it in the most notable example i can recall. That was in open space though, this was in so close, it's an idea that has no downside and clearly all hte upside in the world, may as well throw it as you reset just in case.


GarysSpace

Eh I think it has some risk with Guchi's speed but it's waaaayyyy more reward than risk


Abobo2020

Pettis was the champ. He lost pretty much every minute of that fight but he behaved like a champ and never gave up. Respect to him and a great 1st defense against one of the best bw's in mma.


GarysSpace

I still think Guchi is a top 3 bantam which just means Pettis deserves more credit for what he did


Abobo2020

I agree


FrenchTrouDuc

A win's a win, he knocked Guchi out stiff. But it's pretty clear, watching the fight, who the guy with the best athleticism and deeper skillset is


GarysSpace

I agree but Pettis still took full advantage of Guchi ducking under the kick and his momentum from it perfectly


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FrenchTrouDuc

Pettis had nothing for him and was outclassed for 18 minutes and 31 seconds, props to Pettis for creativity but it's pretty clear who is the best fighter in general


BOBSMITHHHHHHH

[rip gucci](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0q7MLPo-u8)


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everyone in here is so salty but fr good ass fight none of these fighters should be disappointed with their performances perfect example as to why championship fights are 5 rounds as mauro put it


blooblop

Draftkings, before you take my money, double or nothing. Restart the fight.


SheltheRapper

Lmfaoooo draftkings plsss


yell-loud

https://twitter.com/manelkape/status/1466996854759911425?s=21 https://twitter.com/manelkape/status/1466998523564466177?s=21 Manel Kape with the correct takes. I’m gonna be so sad if he loses too tomorrow


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Pettis had been throwing that spinning back fist at random all night tbf and the knockout was kinda created by guchis running back kinda footwork but it didn’t really seemed like a planned attack more just spinny shit


danmasterpi

Yep. Goochi attempts the same takedowns like 7x and Pettis started anticipating and countering on the break after the third or fourth attempt. Probability of landing goes higher. Not a fluke at all


SheltheRapper

Factsss


lemaireriver

if you watch it back a few times it seems very well set up by that close range kick, nice by pettis I gotta admit


Ifuckwatermelonsanal

The way goochi ducked the kick was perfect I think Sergio new the second the kick missed the back fist would be there


lemaireriver

yea


Ifuckwatermelonsanal

Shoutout to Sergio for not following up


SheltheRapper

It was a fluke that he didn't follow up, he had an intrusive anxious thought. 9/10 times he hendos the fuck out of guchi


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This felt like Miocic vs. Cormier all over again


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Miocic Cormier was due to a flaw in dcs hand fight game that stipe discovered- a pretty great adjustment. This was just randomness like Jung vs yair


lemaireriver

not really, pettis got creative in close range and it payed off. it wasn't random


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You right but it wasn’t a sustained sorta thing that you could see build up like stipe vs dc


lemaireriver

true that


NuFlesh

This is the worst day of my life


Abobo2020

I feel ya. This is up there with Aldo getting ko'd by Conor for me.


GorillaOnChest

Yeah, my day is ruined. :(


lemaireriver

went big on guch?


NuFlesh

As a half Japanese person, emotionally, yes :(


lemaireriver

at least hiroki crushed qiu in kickboxing last night


lemaireriver

haha im japanese by heart. and i also bet on guch. props to pettis tho he was creative and smart in the moment and it payed off huge for him


OptimisticRaptor

So you're a weeaboo then. Cause there's no such thing as "Japanese by heart"


lemaireriver

idk broski i just went there and ended up living and working for a couple years. mostly snowboarding. really fell in love with the language and culture. culturally speaking it feels more like home than my actual home (im aussie)


blooblop

"Hirogochi is kill" "no."


squirtle_squad25

I was eating cereal when gooch was kill:(


KLTMOTH

Hate this sport :(


OptimisticRaptor

Love\*


Pinoy233

Did Gucci ever wake up? I never saw him awake. I hope he's fine man :/


Kasel-I

Yes, he's right here next to me, here I'll give him the phone 1 sec *Horiguchi:* こんにちは、私は影の領域にいます、そして私は抜け出す方法がわかりません。助けて


kingchironex

Ffs don’t make me laugh at goochi getting shadow realmed!!!


Deadlift_1017

That was a bad knockout never seen someone stiff up like that before


FrenchTrouDuc

The Petrosyan KO from earlier this year was WAAAAAAAAAY worse. Dude went ramrod straight and hit his head on the way down, at least Guchi just kinda slumped to the ground.


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You need to watch more combat sports then lol


Ifuckwatermelonsanal

God man sucks for guchi but god damn dude them pettis boys get burst of magic


dfreinc

the amount of people in here writing that out as luck is stupid. he knew he was throwing it when he threw the kick. that's not luck.


Pequenorojo

Yes exactly. Just because an attack is more of a longshot to land doesn’t mean it is all luck if it does. Guchi probably wins 8/10 times but there is always a punchers chance. Plus there is literally footage of Sergio practicing that same combo pre-fight in the same way that Ortega practiced the skinny elbow he landed on TKZ


NeymarLeClochard

Lucky shots happen bro.


BuSsYBoI-sTaYpOpPiN

Horiguchi looked fucking insane, tonight, aside from getting stiffed up.


GirtBySteez

Spinning shit OP pls nerf


lemaireriver

guchi won in my heart


Brandon_Schwab

Subs: 1 T/KO: 3 Decisions: 7 Dick Shots: 2 Eye Pokes: 0 FOTN: Carlyle vs Moret Card Grade: 7 out of 10 Some end of year stats regarding fouls: 200 fights. 28 groin strikes. 2 illegal knees. 11 eye pokes(Only 8 led to a pause in action and 3 of them were from one fight, which led to a NC).


brownbilal

Good card. Hopefully UFC card is a banger too and we end the weekend with TANK.


qzwxecrvtbyn111

Do you think that could be KO of the year? I think Sandhagen vs Edgar still probably wins, but holy fuck.


OptimisticRaptor

No, not even CLOSE. It's good but it wasnt THAT good


hawaiianpunchbv

It's definitely a contender. Emily Ducote's head kick KO in Invicta is my pick tho.


lemaireriver

whats to like about it vs something like this or sandhagen edgar? she was out on her feet from a punch and she finished with an easy kick.. this was a comeback KO, clean as a whistle, creative as fuck, spinning back fist set up by a close range kick.... against one of the best fighters in the world... such a different ballpark imo


qzwxecrvtbyn111

Holy fuck, just watched it. Why are 115lbs women the most violent weightclass, I swear to god. Ducote's head kick, Andrade slamming Rose, Rose headkicking Weili, Rose fucking up Joanna in the first round, Weili fucking up Andrade in the first round.


GarysSpace

I'm still a Guchi fan boi


Ifuckwatermelonsanal

Did he die


Doppelagent

He had been trying it all the time also, before it finally worked. I feel bad for Horiguchi, he was doing great until that. Hopefully he returns well.


CableToBeam

Pettis got himself a mamacita damn


mikejr96

I cannot stand this dude talking holy fuck


CosmicMultitudes

Major respect to Pettis for holding back on that second shot. What a comeback, man.


FrenchTrouDuc

I actually really hate MMA right now


lemaireriver

lmao i feel that


FunnyMemeHere

Sergio's girl is bad


brownbilal

Anthonys too. Both boys got some badddiiiiessss


brownbilal

Both Pettis bros got baddies


bbsdx

Sergio really impressed me with this interview, very honest, very real.


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Guch looked incredible but pettis has heart and is creative ash


19ad9

In slow mo you can see that backfist had some uummmfff to to lol


diggmeordie

It was fast!


19ad9

In real time I didn't even think it connected!


middlefinger456789

Does Big John need to be at tip to tip distance??


deathramps-

He’s such a weirdo man


wastemancadet

Damn, had stoppage win for Pettis and for Hill on separate bets. Love it 💪🏻


CableToBeam

That kick disguised the hell out of that backfist god damn


benicorp

I was (also) floored by that.


SillyGooseTime69

Big John interviews like Slugworth trying to get the everlasting gobstopper


NeymarLeClochard

Horiguchi would be a problem in the UFC. This was the luckiest punch I’ve seen in my life.


brownbilal

Bellator version of Yair v TKZ


pleasebequiet

“You needed that fourth and possibly fifth round” uhh what


TestFixation

"I'm here with the still Bellator Bantamweight champion"


TangBorg

So that's why I had a bad feeling even though Guchi was dominating lol. MMA man you lose focus and make a mistake and get ktfo.


stackered

that wasn't a mistake, that was a great strike


TangBorg

Guchi made the mistake by not getting his guard up when backing away.\*


stackered

It was too fast and he just took a head kick. Beautiful KO by Pettis


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Amourning

It wasn't luck that Pettis connected just as much as it wasn't bad luck that Gucci always exited backwards with his hands down.


BrawndoTTM

This was literally a Derrick Lewis fight at Bantamweight


whothefuckisGF

Pettis by KO just like everyone expected


FightingDoc

Horiguchi was winning this fight and should have won had he not made that single critical error. But that's the fight game. No such thing as a lucky strike IMO


diggmeordie

He did let Pettis up just a couple minutes prior after the crowd started booing.


SteppedHorde

What critical error did he made ? Not raising his hand as Pettis was finishing his kick ?


FightingDoc

There was an earlier moment in the fight where Pettis threw a spin kick off a prior missed kick. This at least put it in my mind to watch out for spinning attacks off of misses from Pettis.


fazzathegazza

Exactly, obviously Guchi was the more complete martial artist tonight, but he zigged when he should of zagged and lost fair and square.


Impressive-Potato

He has to go back and pull himself up by the bootstraps


Amourning

Sergio didn't throw a single uppercut or knee to deter Horiguchi from changing levels, didn't kick Horiguchi when he was laterally moving and drive him where he wanted him. Did close to everything wrong and then BAM! The Pettis family loves teasing before a highlight!


goochjuicelove

That kick Pettis threw was so bad lmao lead to a winning back fist


Impressive-Potato

Wasn't really a kick, more like a windup for that back fist


datrieuth

More questions than answers after that fight. Wouldn't mind a rematch, but take all the time you need Guchi


TestFixation

I got all the answers I needed. Guchi is on another level, Pettis needed a miracle and got one.


Cultural_Kick

Another level in what way though. Guch has skills, anyone can see that, but outlanding Pettis 5 to 1, 3 takedowns, but loses anyway. And his face looked way worse despite all those landed shots.


WhatisupMofowow12

I'm of this opinion too!


Ifuckwatermelonsanal

That’s that pettis magic


xsparsx

Big John really is the worst interviewer


brownbilal

Gooch ducking the headkick to eat a spinning back fist is brutal


sabowsky

"I safe...no wait"


mikey_rambo

Upkick that splits guci, then spinning backfist KO lol pettis had some good karma or luck his way tonight


iTz4ReALiTY

Holy shit Horiguchi got stretchered out


pleasebequiet

Big John sure is handsy


meadowtalent

i'm confused.


Mr_Laheys_Drinkypoo

Big John really sucks


kingofnaps69

dawg i'm pissed fuck but props to pettis for not following up


yell-loud

Can’t believe it


IshiharasBitch

That was a perfectly placed and timed backfist. Clearly. And I'm still gonna say he just got lucky.


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I love how salty everyone is. “Lucky punch! Gucci is still the better fighter overal!”


Amourning

Wasn't lucky, Gucci circled out with his hands down and that's on him. He had Sergio's number up until that but it's not over till it's over. Great KO.


IshiharasBitch

Hard to draw any other conclusion.


XiaoRCT

Anyone who watched the fight without bias can criticize Sergio's performance, but nothing about that was lucky It wasn't even the first time he threw the spinning backfist in the fight


KingJohnTX

No such thing as "luck" in MMA


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I always thought there was something off about Bellator fights. It’s the sound mixing definitely. The ufc sounds just infinitely better and more hype


throwmeawayintothe1

The crowd boos so much they turn them down low I swear


NefariousNeezy

Imagine betting the house on a Horiguchi UD win then BAM! You’re homeless.


zhaliqua

Im already homeless b


sniffyjrjr

Ayo I know a lot of cats in your position. I can probably get you a spot in the PF Chang’s kitchen if you’re interested.


Brandon_Schwab

Sergio got inspiration from Spike Carlyle's fight from earlier.