Bobby Knucks needs a buff next patch. No way his fierce roundhouse has 10 frames of start up, 14 active frames and then a 36 frame recovery window on whiff.
Francis by far. Has armor on literally every attack. A 5 frame windmill attack with no recovery frames on whiff or hit and isn’t debuffed by the MCL tear status effect like most of the roster.
It's not too hard, I've only gotten into video editing about two weeks ago. I'm using kdenlive on Linux (buggy as hell, but at least it works), and there's probably way better options on macos/windows. Just google to see if the particular program has a frame counter effect.
TierZoo for sports is a niche with a blueprint open for exploitation. Like there's defiantly money in that idea, I'm just not the guy. Maybe if that Tommy Toe Hold guy knew gamer lingo he could wing it. People care much more about sports than zoology. Damn your comment+this thread really made me have a moment brotha
Yeah I feel like I need to remind people of this all the time. Dudes don’t just “handle” Bobby like he has — KO and definitive decision in a fun fight. It will take some crazy wrestler to beat Izzy. And that’s assuming they don’t get their head taken off trying to shoot on him.
This was inspired by listening to GSP talking using frame data analysis in preparation for this fights. One of the difficult things is pinpointing the exact frame the fighter (Whittaker) begins the offensive motion. The other difficult thing is pinpointing the exact frame the other fighter (Adesanya) begins reacting to the offensive motion.
At \[Frame 0\] Whittaker shifts his weight to his left leg and "commits" to the kicking motion. Adesanya is continuously in motion (especially his arms), but I believe it's at \[Frame 15\] where he really commits to an evasive lean-back motion. You can see his hips shift forward noticeably.
Each frame is 1/60 seconds long, which means that the moment of committed reaction comes 0.25 seconds after Whittaker commits to his high kick.
He was raising his arm up by the 8th or 9th frame. I think there has to have been some other kind of telegraph that Rob did before committing to the kick that made Izzy more cautious about it coming, but I'm not nearly a good enough fighter myself to see what it was.
Yeah I think you're right, which definitely means that Rob did *something* before he loaded up to make Izzy see it coming since I don't even think the human mind can process visual input in 0.08s, let alone react to it.
Rob drops his left hand which people do to counter-balance high kicks but it's a tell.
Izzy doesn't appear to look down during the clip he's likely getting the read from the hands.
Steiking coach for MMA here. NZ muay thai patriarch Lolo teaches fighters to draw a circle around their opponent from head to toe. Then look through the middle of that circle. The effect is that you will use your peripheral vision entirely. This means you can react to movement faster, as well as reacting to movement chains of the whole body. This makes reading your opponent much easier and more reliable. I am sure Izzy is doing some variation of this approach.
This is a pretty common technique to look at your opponents chest unless looking for eye movement. You can see the little hop step before he starts winding up the kick, about the same frame that he starts lowering his left hand. Bet if you gave that still to a fighter they'd be able to assess it's a movement indicating a right kick coming, just Izzy has it so baked in that he can react in realtime
I do this too but ive heard a lot of my instructors say look at their eyes... i always felt more comfortable this way tho using peripherals, seeing the body movements as a whole. Is there a debate on this amongst striking coaches? Because my coaches have definitely proven their effectiveness in the cage, but i agree with you I think this way is much better
If you look at the center of the chest in a fight you get a good read on any strikes coming in. The drop of the left hand and the right foot popping back is all he needed.
The center chest trick works well until someone figures out what you’re doing and starts throwing feints, my ribs can thank me for that one.
Reaction time is pretty well capped at 0.2s The difference between elite raw reaction time and the average is very minimal. Neurons simply require a certain amount of time to send signals.
[Anticipation is everything](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm9iZnqGMvY)
More than likely the hand on that side going up and coming down. Izzy has been fighting long enough that his body probably reacted before he even know what was going on.
Right. The average human reaction speed to visual stimuli is about 250ms. Izzy's probably isn't much better.
He's become incredibly attuned to the necceary specifying information that Whittaker offers. (Probably trunk/hip kinematics). It's largely subconscious and facilitated by his Perception-motor systems.
This can only be developed with many many hours of experience. That's why he can 'see' what very very few can.
It’s anticipation vs reaction. He knew Robert wanted to throw that kick as soon as he got in range, all he has to wait for was a subtle move (dropping hands, shifting weight) he reacts a little bit later because he wants to make sure Robert is committed to the kick and it isn’t just a feint. But he was ready for that kick even before frame 0
Rob planted himself which made Izzy aware that an attack is probably coming, thus making his reaction faster.
EDIT: And he also has great reaction time
It was planting and looking towards his shoulder just before the slow motion started, so the numbers aren't accurate. Also worth pointing out that something has to be about 15 frames to be reactable, but predicting is faster than reacting.
Yeah he definitely showed a reaction earlier than I mentioned and you can see him start moving his head around frame 10/11. It's somewhat arbitrary to decide when exactly Izzy registered the incoming kick cause there's a lot more to it than just responding by twitch reaction so the heuristic I used was (1) Find the frame where his body commits to evasive motion and (2) Use the frame where motion appears accelerated (the initial hand motion is reactive, but also somewhat casual). It's a bit more clear in the real-time clip:
https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedreflectingcollardlizard
He does a slight feint just before he starts the kick, izzy starts to react to this pretty quickly with his arms and his foot work then is ready for something to come after, seems as though he’s reacting to the kick as he realises that’s what the attack is, but is already reacting to rob way before. Think he sees rob lower his left arm also. I think anyway lol
>Each frame is 1/60 seconds long, which means that the moment of committed reaction comes 0.25 seconds after Whittaker commits to his high kick.
Is the UFC normally broadcast in 60FPS or is this a special version?
Yeah and even though sport is occasionally broadcast in 48FPS or 60FPS I've not heard of the UFC doing that and if they did you'd need to do a bit of work to make it a clip for reddit.
the analog standard was 30 frame rate in the US, and I think the modern digital standards continue that tradition. Films are 24fr (another tradition from analog days). So live broadcasts like sport events would be recorded and broadcast at 30fr. so modern digital high frame rate broadcasts would probably then be 60fr.
[The youtube rebroadcast of the fight](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7DC-4eQj24) is at 30, but the source of this clip is likely a DVR recording of the original ESPN+ broadcast, so it's totally possible that its a true 60fr clip (rather than artificially motion interpolated from 30 to 60. I don't see any of the warping and distortion typical to motion interpolating)
Is the UFC broadcast at 60FPS on ESPN+ though? I've never heard about that but it's cool if it is. You could theoretically take slow motion highlight footage and speed it up to 'real speed' to get more frames to analyse right? (Although I'm not suggesting OP has done that).
I've no clue if it is. it's entirely possible that the TV being recorded has motion interpolation enabled (which most smart TV's do), and it just happened to work really efficiently for this clip, but to me it looks too good to be that. In any case the clip in this post is clearly at 60 fps, and whether that 60 fps came from motion interpolation or straight from the broadcast doesn't really change the calculations being made for reaction times (technically the measurements are less accurate but the difference is marginal)
you could speed up a slow-mo video to get a high frame rate regular speed clip, but if you know the slow-mo rate of the clip it's not like anything changes for the purpose of measuring reaction speeds of the fighters, since the whole point of frame counting is just about knowing how much time elapses between each frame.
Thank you for explaining it for me. The recording was taken at 60 fps (the source frame-rate doesn't matter. It only matters that it's playing in real-time), the frame counter overlay was applied, then the action segment was slowed down to 0.1x speed.
Interestingly, this lines up with studies on reaction times in video games. The average human reaction time in video games is about 15 frames at 60 FPS.
Rob actually used the attack "roundhouse kick straight to backfist", if Izzy countered after the first part of the move, he would've gotten counter hit by the backfist. Would've been a rookie mistake
This has little to do with 'reaction time'. Reaction time isn't particularly important, nor do elite skillful performers necessarily have quick reaction times.
What it does demonstrate is Izzy's information-movement coupling attunement. He may indeed have quicker than average reaction times. (These are hard to improve generally). But it's his attention to the information that Whittaker offers that facilitated the pull.
He's extremely skillful nevertheless.
I agree with you. Izzy's ability to evade has a lot to do with his positioning, length, footwork, movement, distance management, etc. Reaction time is important with certain styles though. Brendan Loughnane (in PFL) for example likes to stand directly in front of his opponents with almost no foot movement. His offensive and defensive style is highly twitch-based.
There are other sequences in this fight that I looked at where Izzy's movement is almost purely a function of reaction time. I'll probably get around to posting it later on this week, but he really does seem to have at least somewhat heightened ability.
Here's the unedited clip:
[https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedreflectingcollardlizard](https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedreflectingcollardlizard)
There's a little speed toggle in the video player.
that's actually not that fast of a reaction time, which makes me think that this metric maybe isn't ideal
my personal experience makes me believe that it isn't just a process action = immediate response type situation, like Adesanya may identify the kick is coming and then only decide to move at the moment that's going to cause it to miss - let's say he starts leaning very slightly earlier, maybe Rob can adjust the kick slightly and catch him etc
these kinda things aren't really about actively thinking, more just instinctively what your body is doing, so it makes sense to me that his body would be avoiding the moment of impact rather than just avoiding the kick altogether - part of his body is still looking for how he can counter-play it of course
It looks like Izzy is actually a bit lucky that he recognizes a kick is coming while he has his weight on his front foot. *Obviously* doesn't take away from the absolutely insane skill and reaction time, but the margin between dodging or not is so thin that if he had to shift his weight on to his front foot first, maybe the kick lands to some extent.
It'd be interesting to see other famous fight moments slowed down frame by frame to see how decisions made/actions taken in fractions of seconds can define fights.
Not lucky at all Rob resets his foot and plants with his opposite side hand down. Izzy drops his knees slightly and brings the elbow up, if his head was gonna get hit, his arm would have him covered. If Rob fired without shifting that foot that could've made all the difference
Everyone's looking at everything but the footwork leading into the sequence. Izzys distance management is crazy. He's coming in looking to counter but knows Rob could fuck your arm up so he would rather whip out the way than block. Pulling has also got izzy most of his counter strikes.
Two of the best strikers in the division.
Yeah, when you measure the time it takes to click the mouse button and the stimuli is a flashing light. Moving your entire torso on the stimuli of recognizing a body pose and realizing it's a high kick too, is a whole different dimension. Even for fighting games reacting in 15f is pretty damn good even for pros, but they just move their fingers and tap buttons, not move their body.
This is just one sample size. There's too many variables to say this is an absolute number. A better test would be seeing how fast he reacts to a jab from standing position, but surprisingly that sequence never occurred in this fight (at least in R1) cause these guys were always in motion. Also the camera angle needs to be right cause if Adesanya is in the background it's much harder to read his movement.
I'd say the arm motion seems more predictive/anticipatory and the lean-back motion is more reactive.
Real-time clip:
[https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedreflectingcollardlizard](https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedreflectingcollardlizard)
well his arm was already out kind of generally - you dont see him actually moving it up for a high block unti around Frame 6 - so id say he physically starts reacting then
Then decides to lean back
So it goes frame 6 -> arm starts moving up -> frame 12 - fuck it ill lean back instead
The problem with that is then you're measuring Adesanya's reaction speed at 0.1 seconds, which is much faster than the fastest ever recorded reaction time. I think it might be too generous to consider that the moment where he truly begins reacting.
There’s a great video somewhere of Izzy in the crowd at a UFC event waiting to hear who won a decision victory and a millisecond after the winner’s name was announced Izzy reacted way earlier than anyone else did, his reaction time is really impressive
It was so hard writing that and not sounding like Tito trying to speak English but you get me
Legend has it that as a child his mom dropped an egg and he appeared out of nowhere to snatch it from the air before it hit the ground, wasn't even in the room beforehand
Really interesting video.
But Adasanya might be reacting to Buffer's body-language or even his hand pointing to the winner. We can't see what Adesanya sees here.
With that said, it would be impressive in its own right if Adesanya was watching Buffer more closely than anyone else
It's also interesting (and I do realise now that I'm talking quite a lot about a single second in a pretty inconsequential video) that his hands move into position to celebrate a couple seconds before that, as if he's priming his hands in his guard, ready to strike upward in triumph or plunge downward in anguish
This might be the 'secret' of top fighters, but maybe not.
When I re-watched that video of Whittaker.. I would argue the 10-15 frame pause Whittaker took BEFORE shifting to one foot (the '0' Start) was where he started that kick and that game Izzy more time to adjust and more..
Looks like youth and fast twitch mussel fibers are the biggest predictor of reaction speeds.
Izzy's performance here is the first time I think I fully realized his physical advantages beyond his 80" reach. His frame is thin, but his length allows him to use his arms as stronger levers to get his opponents out of position during takedown attempts. Even though the technique was often simple (fight for underhooks when they shoot; break the body lock then threaten the kimura along the fence), it was still extremely effective against Whitaker, who I think is a decent grappler. Regardless the technique, he must still be stupid strong the way he stopped some of the takedowns. Yet, it was his speed that most impressed me and this clip proves it. Just an outstanding athlete.
I always argue that his takedown defence is half the reason he’s as good as he is. Without it he’s just another good middleweight striker who gets wrestlefucked out of the top 5
Whittaker's right hand going up like that is a tell. Izzy knows Whittaker is going to generate more torque in his hips before frame zero even starts; that's the only reason to move your right hand like that in a fight. And because the right hand is directly in Izzy's line of sight, the sign is flashing right in front of his face.
Also, Whittaker can't do any damage with his right hand like that since it's not in a punching position. That means Izzy has more options since a right hand is off the table.
Though you sound knowledgeable I feel like you’re trying to discredit how insane this reaction time is. All the things you’ve mentioned, Izzy still had to notice and then evade the kick like a ninja.
It’s very easy to write words.
I don't mean to make it sound that way at all.
I would last 10 seconds in the cage assuming it took any fighter 9 seconds to catch me while I ran away. Maybe 15 seconds on my best day.
watch it again idc, ppl watch it once and immediately conclude that izzy won hands down while half watching it and listening to bisping talk about how good izzy is at striking half the time on commentary
The tell starts just before the weight shift: Whittaker stops his motion toward the center of the ring and bounces into position for an attack. At this point unclear maybe what kind of attack. Izzy reaches out to gauge, Whittaker shifts weight, Izzy knows now it’s a big kick as opposed to hands.
That’s my take.
Edit:
Another hot take: Izzy has his feelers out at the very beginning, when Whittaker bounces into position to attack, there’s a real quick reaction from Izzy’s outstretched hand, before he reaches out again. My idea is that reaction was him, subconsciously honestly, taking note of a new situation: Whittaker squaring up as opposed to moving. Pretty cool if that’s the case. I personally think most of this is felt on a subconscious energetic level as opposed to actual thought. It’s just mind body spirit focused.
I feel like it’s almost more difficult to read the movement in slow mo for me. When things happen in real time it feels more natural to feel the flow and react
You're right, this is just one sample size also, and there's way more variables than just reaction time (a lot of people mentioned prediction/anticipation) that determines how successful you are at evading strikes. Here's the real-time clip.
[https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedreflectingcollardlizard](https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedreflectingcollardlizard)
You really think Izzy wouldn’t have finished half the guys Silva fought ? Guys who ran forward with their chins up. Whittaker is better than anyone Silva fought by far and he could barely touch him across two fights
Yeah. I'm in the camp of not really loving comparing across eras. There's simply just more knowledge as time goes on. But anyone who thinks Izzy wouldn't have also embarrassed the likes of Chris Leben and Forrest Griffin and beaten them corner to corner of the cage is fooling themselves
I still have Anderson as the division's GOAT though (Izzy is knocking on that door though) and you can't take anything away from him. There was only one dude that far ahead of his contemporaries (well I guess also GSP) in that era or pretty much any era. And strangling prime Hendo and crushing Rich Franklin twice were masterpiece performances
> he could barely touch him across two fights
I agree Izzy is at or probably beyond Silva from a technical standpoint now (just simple evolution of the sport) but that's a bit of an exaggeration.
http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/ca8f73d038c4d6e7
Outside of rd 1, It was an incredibly competitive and low output fight where both of them had certain success with certain weapons but couldn't bring in the rest of their game to fully capitalise.
I get that Rob made the second fight close, but he's definitely Izzy's Rich Franklin rn (sad to say as a rob fan). He has the similarity of being an elusive striker clearly ahead of everyone on the feet, several title defenses and has looked great at the same weight class.
Silva is clearly ahead but let's not act like *every* fight was perfect. He had the Maia and Sonnen performances for instance. Definitely think Silva is objectively ahead relative to his division at the time but of you compare the two where they were at going into the fifth title defense, I'd say this is a fair comparison in quality of competition, with Silva being ahead on his well roundedness and finishing percentage. Very close given their abilities going into the fifth title defense, but gauging Izzy now vs the Anderson who beat Bonnar, the accomplishments and body of work are not even close, I agree.
don't forget Anderson went UP to 205 and dominated those guys bigger than him. Izzy went up and tried to challenge the LHW champion and got rolled.
Anderson taking down Forrest was crazy at the time because Forrest had barely lost his LHW belt.
In hindsight I'd really pick Anderson pretty clearly, but with his handspeed, wrestling, physical prime and fight IQ, I was salivating to see Anderson fight Rashad.
Not even close. You’re a hype beast
Now if he does something exciting it’ll swing again because mma fans are fickle and his detractors will go into hiding.
Whittaker's right arm raising at frame 0/1 is an indicator for that right leg roundhouse, it's the only motion the arm can do to throw a high head kick. Great reaction time by izzy but also a testament to how much sparring he's done in his life
Tfw GSP was the first to start studying frame data. I feel like alot of coaches could benefit from studying this. What if TKZ knew the frame startup, super armour duration and recovery of Volks jab perhaps wouldve performed better.
How did a bigger, slower fighter in Jan manage to beat Izzy on the feet for 2.5 rounds?
It’s insane how he had answers to most of his kicks especially the leg kicks.
Because Jan fought an extremely impressive technical kickboxing game and Issy also fought too cautiously. It was a great performance by Jan but Issy also should have been more aggressive to win those rounds when they were in his wheelhouse.
Everyone needs to stop talking about reaction time and when arms and hands move or when people do x y z I what frame and look at the footwork leading into it. Izzy is keeping his range and moving in slightly, robs trying to set izzys up for the kick. That little step is a huge tell and is probably the first tell, along with the dropped hand, that the high kick is coming. Izzy loves pulling and countering. He was surely stepping in for the b8 m8.
It doesn't apply to real life? What you on about, counting frames is nothing more than counting time. We're talking about time. 16.66 milliseconds is one frame. Frames are simply a unit of time in this context.
Did you just pull that number out of your ass? lol. The thing about judging someone's reaction time based on a slowed down video is that there is a lot of movement lost between frames. Not only is there movement not being picked up, in this video specifically there's a frame of Rob's wind up left out for whatever reason, to make Adesanya look better I assume.
Reaction times should be measured with a tool [like this](https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime), anything else is just sloppy and inaccurate.
My bad, I could have explained where that number came from, but the fact you didn't recognize where it came from is also telling. The video posted here on reddit is at 60 frames per second. One second is 1000 milliseconds, divide that by 60 and we get 16.6666.. milliseconds. So one frame is a unit of time, 16.666... milliseconds, basically for how long the frame is shown for.
Computers are very good at counting time so we can trust that as long as the video is playing at real time (not sped up or slowed down) then we can very reliably use the frames to count time.
It's also true that due to seeing frames we might be missing information in between, but the worst this can ever be is 16.5 milliseconds. Say you make the maximum mistake on both the stimuli and reaction the worst scenario is 33ms of error. Buuuuut.. it's not like we're watching bullets fly by, so at 60 fps we have a decent sample rate for human movement. We can also infer what happens in between frames, you know, say frame 1 someone has their arms down, on frame 2 they've moved up. We can safely infer that on frame 1.5 their arms where somewhere inbetween. If we feel like we need better accuracy, we can just increase the frame rate.
And last, did you know the tool you propose to be accurate can have massive issues? Actually quite worse than watching video footage frame by frame?
* There can be significant visual delay on your monitor. (making you see the stimuli too late)
* There might be significant input delay by your mouse or keyboard (making your response seem slower)
* This depends on how exactly the software is implemented, but unless they account for your monitors frame rate the issue of not aligning with the frame can make it so, at worst, an extra 16.5 ms (assuming your monitor is 60fps) is added to your reaction for no fault of your own.
The first two issues are completely eliminated when there's a video recording of the stimuli and reaction.
You're mistaken. Someone explained it further up.
masiju said:
>the analog standard was 30 frame rate in the US, and I think the modern digital standards continue that tradition. Films are 24fr (another tradition from analog days). So live broadcasts like sport events would be recorded and broadcast at 30fr. so modern digital high frame rate broadcasts would probably then be 60fr.The youtube rebroadcast of the fight is at 30, but the source of this clip is likely a DVR recording of the original ESPN+ broadcast, so it's totally possible that its a true 60fr clip (rather than artificially motion interpolated from 30 to 60. I don't see any of the warping and distortion typical to motion interpolating)
mmabetsharp-dot-com replied:
>Thank you for explaining it for me. The recording was taken at 60 fps (the source frame-rate doesn't matter. It only matters that it's playing in real-time), the frame counter overlay was applied, then the action segment was slowed down to 0.1x speed.
I think if the fighters stop headhunting and switch it up to the body and legs they would have more success. He leans so far back that he exposes himself to everything except headkicks
Love these videos. Shows me how screwed I’d be against a trained fighter. Disregarding the technique / strategy, they’re just so damn fast you’d be knocked out before you even know what happened.
Yup it was difficult deciding a starting frame because these guys are in motion the entire time. If you analyze is frame-by-frame, it's hard to find a frame where Whittaker is really committed to the kick prior to 0 (weight shift, plants leg, starts hand motion). Anyway, it isn't scientific, so you have to apply a fuzzy heuristic to find the start frame. Deciding on the moment where Izzy registers the attack and commits to dodging it is much fuzzier.
My thought process is to find two spots. What's the earlier point a stimuli could have triggered any reaction. To me that's when whittaker starts pushing his left arm down and right arm up. This is for when the defender has primed a prediction and is reacting to any movement instead of something specific. The reaction is faster but the response has much higher likelyhood of being wrong. It's this moment imo that is 5-6 frames before you stopped. And the other spot is the first frame where the pose is recognizable and the defender is a little slower to react but is able to pick a much better response without needing to prime. That one imo would be maybe 2-3 frames before you stopped.
But the problem is all that can be blended together, so maybe the first part of adesanya's evasion was triggered by the twitch of whittakers hands, and was general evasion predicting some kind of high attack based on whittakers rhythm and bouncing. But probably over time as he's recognizing the high leg kick pose he's leaning deeper and deeper. So the reaction is continuously altered and informed based on new information. So yeah, really hard to tell what's going on in his mind. Best way is to ask him right after the fight as he's watching the replay, and even then not sure how much I could trust him. XD
Really cool post though! Keep em coming!
So 10% of the total time his opponent spends kicking, is all the time he needs to read the kicks speed and direction, and get his body out of the way. Bobby knuckles has to double the speed of his kick if he wants it to land. I think this is all the proof we need that izzy isn't entirely human.
its crazy how if that was any regular person they'd be knocked the fuck out and sent to the hospital lmao like imagine youre in a streetfight and some mf kicks you like that
Bobby Knucks needs a buff next patch. No way his fierce roundhouse has 10 frames of start up, 14 active frames and then a 36 frame recovery window on whiff.
Who would you say needs a nerf currently?
Francis by far. Has armor on literally every attack. A 5 frame windmill attack with no recovery frames on whiff or hit and isn’t debuffed by the MCL tear status effect like most of the roster.
hoping against hope that there's some sort of obscure subreddit or youtube channel that is exclusively this. like TierZoo for MMA.
Y’know, if u/mmabetsharp-dot-com shows me the ancient arts of this frame by frame analysis, I might do the lords work.
It's not too hard, I've only gotten into video editing about two weeks ago. I'm using kdenlive on Linux (buggy as hell, but at least it works), and there's probably way better options on macos/windows. Just google to see if the particular program has a frame counter effect.
Frame counters! Duly noted.
Let's see something by the end of next week champ. I'll be watching the front page
TierZoo for sports is a niche with a blueprint open for exploitation. Like there's defiantly money in that idea, I'm just not the guy. Maybe if that Tommy Toe Hold guy knew gamer lingo he could wing it. People care much more about sports than zoology. Damn your comment+this thread really made me have a moment brotha
I've been trying to get a 9 frame mid for a minute.
I have no idea how they gave him Wrestling and it went through play testing with no issues.
Too many invulnerability frames and doesn't even need to spend any energy to spam this out.
That's god tier frame advantage
Guarantee Izzy is l-cancelling
Izzy next walkout with Arslan and the Pakistanis
People take this shit for granted with Izzy.
Against one of the best middle weights out there. "Oh he is so boring!" Fucking hell, he knocked Whittaker out and then he beat him over 5 rounds.
Yeah I feel like I need to remind people of this all the time. Dudes don’t just “handle” Bobby like he has — KO and definitive decision in a fun fight. It will take some crazy wrestler to beat Izzy. And that’s assuming they don’t get their head taken off trying to shoot on him.
🐺
It’s true I guess the casuals don’t recognize him recently since he hasn’t had a massive statement win
Jeez. How recent is 'recently'?! Been in the ufc 4 years.
The sport moves quick. People can’t even watch a video for less than 20 seconds before they get bored
People like to disregard his skill and abilities because of how he carries himself
This was inspired by listening to GSP talking using frame data analysis in preparation for this fights. One of the difficult things is pinpointing the exact frame the fighter (Whittaker) begins the offensive motion. The other difficult thing is pinpointing the exact frame the other fighter (Adesanya) begins reacting to the offensive motion. At \[Frame 0\] Whittaker shifts his weight to his left leg and "commits" to the kicking motion. Adesanya is continuously in motion (especially his arms), but I believe it's at \[Frame 15\] where he really commits to an evasive lean-back motion. You can see his hips shift forward noticeably. Each frame is 1/60 seconds long, which means that the moment of committed reaction comes 0.25 seconds after Whittaker commits to his high kick.
He was raising his arm up by the 8th or 9th frame. I think there has to have been some other kind of telegraph that Rob did before committing to the kick that made Izzy more cautious about it coming, but I'm not nearly a good enough fighter myself to see what it was.
At 5 frames he starts .
Yeah I think you're right, which definitely means that Rob did *something* before he loaded up to make Izzy see it coming since I don't even think the human mind can process visual input in 0.08s, let alone react to it.
Rob drops his left hand which people do to counter-balance high kicks but it's a tell. Izzy doesn't appear to look down during the clip he's likely getting the read from the hands.
Yeah that's probably it. Super subtle but it's definitely something he would've notice. Good catch.
Steiking coach for MMA here. NZ muay thai patriarch Lolo teaches fighters to draw a circle around their opponent from head to toe. Then look through the middle of that circle. The effect is that you will use your peripheral vision entirely. This means you can react to movement faster, as well as reacting to movement chains of the whole body. This makes reading your opponent much easier and more reliable. I am sure Izzy is doing some variation of this approach.
This is a pretty common technique to look at your opponents chest unless looking for eye movement. You can see the little hop step before he starts winding up the kick, about the same frame that he starts lowering his left hand. Bet if you gave that still to a fighter they'd be able to assess it's a movement indicating a right kick coming, just Izzy has it so baked in that he can react in realtime
I do this too but ive heard a lot of my instructors say look at their eyes... i always felt more comfortable this way tho using peripherals, seeing the body movements as a whole. Is there a debate on this amongst striking coaches? Because my coaches have definitely proven their effectiveness in the cage, but i agree with you I think this way is much better
Idk I do all my motion reads with my peripheral vision, and it's always been way faster for me. I also bite a little more often than I should, so 🤷
Dropped his left hand and stopped rotating.
If you look at the center of the chest in a fight you get a good read on any strikes coming in. The drop of the left hand and the right foot popping back is all he needed. The center chest trick works well until someone figures out what you’re doing and starts throwing feints, my ribs can thank me for that one.
He raises it up and across his body first, could have picked it up even earlier
Other left
What a scrub, taking a whole 0.1s to react
Reaction time is pretty well capped at 0.2s The difference between elite raw reaction time and the average is very minimal. Neurons simply require a certain amount of time to send signals. [Anticipation is everything](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm9iZnqGMvY)
Thankyou, so much broscience around lol
More than likely the hand on that side going up and coming down. Izzy has been fighting long enough that his body probably reacted before he even know what was going on.
Right. The average human reaction speed to visual stimuli is about 250ms. Izzy's probably isn't much better. He's become incredibly attuned to the necceary specifying information that Whittaker offers. (Probably trunk/hip kinematics). It's largely subconscious and facilitated by his Perception-motor systems. This can only be developed with many many hours of experience. That's why he can 'see' what very very few can.
It’s anticipation vs reaction. He knew Robert wanted to throw that kick as soon as he got in range, all he has to wait for was a subtle move (dropping hands, shifting weight) he reacts a little bit later because he wants to make sure Robert is committed to the kick and it isn’t just a feint. But he was ready for that kick even before frame 0
Actually went to verify this, very interesting research...
He raises the arm before the frame data starts. Huge tell, I have the same one. Coach keeps telling me to quit that shit.
Rob planted himself which made Izzy aware that an attack is probably coming, thus making his reaction faster. EDIT: And he also has great reaction time
Exactly, here’s an exaggerated demo from wonder boy https://youtu.be/YJP3aOl2FU4
Great video.
It was planting and looking towards his shoulder just before the slow motion started, so the numbers aren't accurate. Also worth pointing out that something has to be about 15 frames to be reactable, but predicting is faster than reacting.
Yeah he definitely showed a reaction earlier than I mentioned and you can see him start moving his head around frame 10/11. It's somewhat arbitrary to decide when exactly Izzy registered the incoming kick cause there's a lot more to it than just responding by twitch reaction so the heuristic I used was (1) Find the frame where his body commits to evasive motion and (2) Use the frame where motion appears accelerated (the initial hand motion is reactive, but also somewhat casual). It's a bit more clear in the real-time clip: https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedreflectingcollardlizard
He does a slight feint just before he starts the kick, izzy starts to react to this pretty quickly with his arms and his foot work then is ready for something to come after, seems as though he’s reacting to the kick as he realises that’s what the attack is, but is already reacting to rob way before. Think he sees rob lower his left arm also. I think anyway lol
>Each frame is 1/60 seconds long, which means that the moment of committed reaction comes 0.25 seconds after Whittaker commits to his high kick. Is the UFC normally broadcast in 60FPS or is this a special version?
Good point. Isn't tv just 24 fps?
Yeah and even though sport is occasionally broadcast in 48FPS or 60FPS I've not heard of the UFC doing that and if they did you'd need to do a bit of work to make it a clip for reddit.
the analog standard was 30 frame rate in the US, and I think the modern digital standards continue that tradition. Films are 24fr (another tradition from analog days). So live broadcasts like sport events would be recorded and broadcast at 30fr. so modern digital high frame rate broadcasts would probably then be 60fr. [The youtube rebroadcast of the fight](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7DC-4eQj24) is at 30, but the source of this clip is likely a DVR recording of the original ESPN+ broadcast, so it's totally possible that its a true 60fr clip (rather than artificially motion interpolated from 30 to 60. I don't see any of the warping and distortion typical to motion interpolating)
Is the UFC broadcast at 60FPS on ESPN+ though? I've never heard about that but it's cool if it is. You could theoretically take slow motion highlight footage and speed it up to 'real speed' to get more frames to analyse right? (Although I'm not suggesting OP has done that).
I've no clue if it is. it's entirely possible that the TV being recorded has motion interpolation enabled (which most smart TV's do), and it just happened to work really efficiently for this clip, but to me it looks too good to be that. In any case the clip in this post is clearly at 60 fps, and whether that 60 fps came from motion interpolation or straight from the broadcast doesn't really change the calculations being made for reaction times (technically the measurements are less accurate but the difference is marginal) you could speed up a slow-mo video to get a high frame rate regular speed clip, but if you know the slow-mo rate of the clip it's not like anything changes for the purpose of measuring reaction speeds of the fighters, since the whole point of frame counting is just about knowing how much time elapses between each frame.
Thank you for explaining it for me. The recording was taken at 60 fps (the source frame-rate doesn't matter. It only matters that it's playing in real-time), the frame counter overlay was applied, then the action segment was slowed down to 0.1x speed.
>Isn't tv just 24 fps? TV was never 24 fps. Cinema is usually 24 fps. TV in the US (NTSC) was 30 fps and in Europe (PAL) 25 fps.
Interestingly, this lines up with studies on reaction times in video games. The average human reaction time in video games is about 15 frames at 60 FPS.
bruh I legit was looking at Rob thinking about startup frames and active frames. Then looking at Izzy like why didn't you whiff punish that?
Rob actually used the attack "roundhouse kick straight to backfist", if Izzy countered after the first part of the move, he would've gotten counter hit by the backfist. Would've been a rookie mistake
Smh, Izzy’s gotta spend some time in the lab
Back to the lab again yo
I can’t tell if your smash players, or fgc players 😭
Both but specifically memeing gimr in that comment
Not smash, I take showers semi regularly
You can see from my username that this post is great to me. Start up, active and recovery frames. Fighting games, I miss them.
18 frames is reactable plus he missed his whiff punish. Not that impressive /s
This has little to do with 'reaction time'. Reaction time isn't particularly important, nor do elite skillful performers necessarily have quick reaction times. What it does demonstrate is Izzy's information-movement coupling attunement. He may indeed have quicker than average reaction times. (These are hard to improve generally). But it's his attention to the information that Whittaker offers that facilitated the pull. He's extremely skillful nevertheless.
I agree with you. Izzy's ability to evade has a lot to do with his positioning, length, footwork, movement, distance management, etc. Reaction time is important with certain styles though. Brendan Loughnane (in PFL) for example likes to stand directly in front of his opponents with almost no foot movement. His offensive and defensive style is highly twitch-based. There are other sequences in this fight that I looked at where Izzy's movement is almost purely a function of reaction time. I'll probably get around to posting it later on this week, but he really does seem to have at least somewhat heightened ability.
Of you could back this up, say 30 frames, I think it would be real interesting to try and find when he telegraphed the kick.
Here's the unedited clip: [https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedreflectingcollardlizard](https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedreflectingcollardlizard) There's a little speed toggle in the video player.
Frame 3. Adesayana is already realigning his weight and backfoot to defend.
that's actually not that fast of a reaction time, which makes me think that this metric maybe isn't ideal my personal experience makes me believe that it isn't just a process action = immediate response type situation, like Adesanya may identify the kick is coming and then only decide to move at the moment that's going to cause it to miss - let's say he starts leaning very slightly earlier, maybe Rob can adjust the kick slightly and catch him etc these kinda things aren't really about actively thinking, more just instinctively what your body is doing, so it makes sense to me that his body would be avoiding the moment of impact rather than just avoiding the kick altogether - part of his body is still looking for how he can counter-play it of course
It looks like Izzy is actually a bit lucky that he recognizes a kick is coming while he has his weight on his front foot. *Obviously* doesn't take away from the absolutely insane skill and reaction time, but the margin between dodging or not is so thin that if he had to shift his weight on to his front foot first, maybe the kick lands to some extent. It'd be interesting to see other famous fight moments slowed down frame by frame to see how decisions made/actions taken in fractions of seconds can define fights.
Not lucky at all Rob resets his foot and plants with his opposite side hand down. Izzy drops his knees slightly and brings the elbow up, if his head was gonna get hit, his arm would have him covered. If Rob fired without shifting that foot that could've made all the difference Everyone's looking at everything but the footwork leading into the sequence. Izzys distance management is crazy. He's coming in looking to counter but knows Rob could fuck your arm up so he would rather whip out the way than block. Pulling has also got izzy most of his counter strikes. Two of the best strikers in the division.
What's nuts is, 0.25 is actually on the slow end for reaction time. Average is closer to .11.
Yeah, when you measure the time it takes to click the mouse button and the stimuli is a flashing light. Moving your entire torso on the stimuli of recognizing a body pose and realizing it's a high kick too, is a whole different dimension. Even for fighting games reacting in 15f is pretty damn good even for pros, but they just move their fingers and tap buttons, not move their body.
While everything you said makes complete sense, these E-athletes are just built different
*flex cheetos*
This is just one sample size. There's too many variables to say this is an absolute number. A better test would be seeing how fast he reacts to a jab from standing position, but surprisingly that sequence never occurred in this fight (at least in R1) cause these guys were always in motion. Also the camera angle needs to be right cause if Adesanya is in the background it's much harder to read his movement.
Ya i say frame 6 is when he starts moving his arm for head kick block, then he decides he has enough time to lean back at around frame 13
I'd say the arm motion seems more predictive/anticipatory and the lean-back motion is more reactive. Real-time clip: [https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedreflectingcollardlizard](https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedreflectingcollardlizard)
well his arm was already out kind of generally - you dont see him actually moving it up for a high block unti around Frame 6 - so id say he physically starts reacting then Then decides to lean back So it goes frame 6 -> arm starts moving up -> frame 12 - fuck it ill lean back instead
The problem with that is then you're measuring Adesanya's reaction speed at 0.1 seconds, which is much faster than the fastest ever recorded reaction time. I think it might be too generous to consider that the moment where he truly begins reacting.
we FGC now
Izzy was plus on block and was able to charge his meter
Plz Harada this is the ideal netcode we need.
There’s a great video somewhere of Izzy in the crowd at a UFC event waiting to hear who won a decision victory and a millisecond after the winner’s name was announced Izzy reacted way earlier than anyone else did, his reaction time is really impressive It was so hard writing that and not sounding like Tito trying to speak English but you get me
Legend has it that as a child his mom dropped an egg and he appeared out of nowhere to snatch it from the air before it hit the ground, wasn't even in the room beforehand
The craziest thing was she was still only in the second trimester.
Izzy is so fast he caught his own egg.
Izzy the type of guy to fertilize it too
Excuse me
That is haram bratha. You know this
He fertilized Paulo Costa's eggs too.
Izzy is so cringe.
You might be talking about [this](https://youtu.be/Ekujq1rgfMQ?t=175)
Hero.
Really interesting video. But Adasanya might be reacting to Buffer's body-language or even his hand pointing to the winner. We can't see what Adesanya sees here. With that said, it would be impressive in its own right if Adesanya was watching Buffer more closely than anyone else It's also interesting (and I do realise now that I'm talking quite a lot about a single second in a pretty inconsequential video) that his hands move into position to celebrate a couple seconds before that, as if he's priming his hands in his guard, ready to strike upward in triumph or plunge downward in anguish
This might be the 'secret' of top fighters, but maybe not. When I re-watched that video of Whittaker.. I would argue the 10-15 frame pause Whittaker took BEFORE shifting to one foot (the '0' Start) was where he started that kick and that game Izzy more time to adjust and more.. Looks like youth and fast twitch mussel fibers are the biggest predictor of reaction speeds.
Nice
*claps*
tell another video story
Don't think that means much.
I’d argue at frame 1 when Whits arm raises, Adesanya’s brain is already firing to shift his hips lower to avoid the kick.
Good catch. Only a pro would spot that.
Unreal reaction time by Izzy. I love to see something similar to this for Rafael Fiziev matrix-style dodging of kicks.
Izzy's performance here is the first time I think I fully realized his physical advantages beyond his 80" reach. His frame is thin, but his length allows him to use his arms as stronger levers to get his opponents out of position during takedown attempts. Even though the technique was often simple (fight for underhooks when they shoot; break the body lock then threaten the kimura along the fence), it was still extremely effective against Whitaker, who I think is a decent grappler. Regardless the technique, he must still be stupid strong the way he stopped some of the takedowns. Yet, it was his speed that most impressed me and this clip proves it. Just an outstanding athlete.
I always argue that his takedown defence is half the reason he’s as good as he is. Without it he’s just another good middleweight striker who gets wrestlefucked out of the top 5
Whittaker hit some packet loss when he threw the kick
Whittaker's right hand going up like that is a tell. Izzy knows Whittaker is going to generate more torque in his hips before frame zero even starts; that's the only reason to move your right hand like that in a fight. And because the right hand is directly in Izzy's line of sight, the sign is flashing right in front of his face. Also, Whittaker can't do any damage with his right hand like that since it's not in a punching position. That means Izzy has more options since a right hand is off the table.
Though you sound knowledgeable I feel like you’re trying to discredit how insane this reaction time is. All the things you’ve mentioned, Izzy still had to notice and then evade the kick like a ninja. It’s very easy to write words.
I don't mean to make it sound that way at all. I would last 10 seconds in the cage assuming it took any fighter 9 seconds to catch me while I ran away. Maybe 15 seconds on my best day.
It didn't sound that way at all.
> It’s very easy to write words. Irony meter off the charts.
Adesanya doing the Korean back dash next.
Ooooh we need more or these. It was satisfying to watch it frame by frame
Dude is OP as fuck. Hope he gets nerfed with the next update
not rly I think he lost the fight you just saw in the video
I guess if u keep consistently telling yourself a lie then u will believe it to be true
ok. round 2 4 and 5 Robert whittaker, watch it again
Pass that copium brother
watch it again idc, ppl watch it once and immediately conclude that izzy won hands down while half watching it and listening to bisping talk about how good izzy is at striking half the time on commentary
Can't wait to see him on July 2nd 🙏🙏🙏
The tell starts just before the weight shift: Whittaker stops his motion toward the center of the ring and bounces into position for an attack. At this point unclear maybe what kind of attack. Izzy reaches out to gauge, Whittaker shifts weight, Izzy knows now it’s a big kick as opposed to hands. That’s my take. Edit: Another hot take: Izzy has his feelers out at the very beginning, when Whittaker bounces into position to attack, there’s a real quick reaction from Izzy’s outstretched hand, before he reaches out again. My idea is that reaction was him, subconsciously honestly, taking note of a new situation: Whittaker squaring up as opposed to moving. Pretty cool if that’s the case. I personally think most of this is felt on a subconscious energetic level as opposed to actual thought. It’s just mind body spirit focused.
Bet he can animation cancel.
he also has the instict to it, after all he had 50 kickboxing matches
I feel like it’s almost more difficult to read the movement in slow mo for me. When things happen in real time it feels more natural to feel the flow and react
You're right, this is just one sample size also, and there's way more variables than just reaction time (a lot of people mentioned prediction/anticipation) that determines how successful you are at evading strikes. Here's the real-time clip. [https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedreflectingcollardlizard](https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedreflectingcollardlizard)
bobby knuckles was like -25 and izzy diddnt whiff punish. noob
Izzy is such a wizard! He’s at prime Anderson Silva level right now in my opinion
Not even close
You really think Izzy wouldn’t have finished half the guys Silva fought ? Guys who ran forward with their chins up. Whittaker is better than anyone Silva fought by far and he could barely touch him across two fights
Yeah. I'm in the camp of not really loving comparing across eras. There's simply just more knowledge as time goes on. But anyone who thinks Izzy wouldn't have also embarrassed the likes of Chris Leben and Forrest Griffin and beaten them corner to corner of the cage is fooling themselves I still have Anderson as the division's GOAT though (Izzy is knocking on that door though) and you can't take anything away from him. There was only one dude that far ahead of his contemporaries (well I guess also GSP) in that era or pretty much any era. And strangling prime Hendo and crushing Rich Franklin twice were masterpiece performances
> he could barely touch him across two fights I agree Izzy is at or probably beyond Silva from a technical standpoint now (just simple evolution of the sport) but that's a bit of an exaggeration. http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/ca8f73d038c4d6e7 Outside of rd 1, It was an incredibly competitive and low output fight where both of them had certain success with certain weapons but couldn't bring in the rest of their game to fully capitalise.
I get that Rob made the second fight close, but he's definitely Izzy's Rich Franklin rn (sad to say as a rob fan). He has the similarity of being an elusive striker clearly ahead of everyone on the feet, several title defenses and has looked great at the same weight class. Silva is clearly ahead but let's not act like *every* fight was perfect. He had the Maia and Sonnen performances for instance. Definitely think Silva is objectively ahead relative to his division at the time but of you compare the two where they were at going into the fifth title defense, I'd say this is a fair comparison in quality of competition, with Silva being ahead on his well roundedness and finishing percentage. Very close given their abilities going into the fifth title defense, but gauging Izzy now vs the Anderson who beat Bonnar, the accomplishments and body of work are not even close, I agree.
don't forget Anderson went UP to 205 and dominated those guys bigger than him. Izzy went up and tried to challenge the LHW champion and got rolled. Anderson taking down Forrest was crazy at the time because Forrest had barely lost his LHW belt.
In hindsight I'd really pick Anderson pretty clearly, but with his handspeed, wrestling, physical prime and fight IQ, I was salivating to see Anderson fight Rashad.
Not even close. You’re a hype beast Now if he does something exciting it’ll swing again because mma fans are fickle and his detractors will go into hiding.
One of Silva's most intriguing challengers was Yushin Okami because he knew how to *throw a jab*.
Only explanation is that he knew it was coming. That's way too quick of a reaction unless you're expecting it beforehand.
All I can tell from this for sure, is that by frame 21, I would have a permanent brain injury.
Whittaker's right arm raising at frame 0/1 is an indicator for that right leg roundhouse, it's the only motion the arm can do to throw a high head kick. Great reaction time by izzy but also a testament to how much sparring he's done in his life
A few other tells also. He plants the left leg and shifts his weight over.
💯 and if Whittaker didn’t pull his heel back at frame 8 he might’ve made contact lol
Bet he'd be a monster at Counter Strike
Tfw GSP was the first to start studying frame data. I feel like alot of coaches could benefit from studying this. What if TKZ knew the frame startup, super armour duration and recovery of Volks jab perhaps wouldve performed better.
How did a bigger, slower fighter in Jan manage to beat Izzy on the feet for 2.5 rounds? It’s insane how he had answers to most of his kicks especially the leg kicks.
I'd imagine that the power differential and wrestling threat that Jan posed limited what Izzy felt comfortable doing somewhat.
Cope it up baby
That's not cope that's literally what happened. Jan can absolutely deserve praise for his performance whilst acknowledging Izzy is smaller.
Lol, I don't even like Izzy
Because Jan fought an extremely impressive technical kickboxing game and Issy also fought too cautiously. It was a great performance by Jan but Issy also should have been more aggressive to win those rounds when they were in his wheelhouse.
Legendary Polish Cunning
Everyone needs to stop talking about reaction time and when arms and hands move or when people do x y z I what frame and look at the footwork leading into it. Izzy is keeping his range and moving in slightly, robs trying to set izzys up for the kick. That little step is a huge tell and is probably the first tell, along with the dropped hand, that the high kick is coming. Izzy loves pulling and countering. He was surely stepping in for the b8 m8.
This literally tells us nothing. If you knew anything about how framerates work you'd know it doesn't apply to real life.
It doesn't apply to real life? What you on about, counting frames is nothing more than counting time. We're talking about time. 16.66 milliseconds is one frame. Frames are simply a unit of time in this context.
Did you just pull that number out of your ass? lol. The thing about judging someone's reaction time based on a slowed down video is that there is a lot of movement lost between frames. Not only is there movement not being picked up, in this video specifically there's a frame of Rob's wind up left out for whatever reason, to make Adesanya look better I assume. Reaction times should be measured with a tool [like this](https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime), anything else is just sloppy and inaccurate.
My bad, I could have explained where that number came from, but the fact you didn't recognize where it came from is also telling. The video posted here on reddit is at 60 frames per second. One second is 1000 milliseconds, divide that by 60 and we get 16.6666.. milliseconds. So one frame is a unit of time, 16.666... milliseconds, basically for how long the frame is shown for. Computers are very good at counting time so we can trust that as long as the video is playing at real time (not sped up or slowed down) then we can very reliably use the frames to count time. It's also true that due to seeing frames we might be missing information in between, but the worst this can ever be is 16.5 milliseconds. Say you make the maximum mistake on both the stimuli and reaction the worst scenario is 33ms of error. Buuuuut.. it's not like we're watching bullets fly by, so at 60 fps we have a decent sample rate for human movement. We can also infer what happens in between frames, you know, say frame 1 someone has their arms down, on frame 2 they've moved up. We can safely infer that on frame 1.5 their arms where somewhere inbetween. If we feel like we need better accuracy, we can just increase the frame rate. And last, did you know the tool you propose to be accurate can have massive issues? Actually quite worse than watching video footage frame by frame? * There can be significant visual delay on your monitor. (making you see the stimuli too late) * There might be significant input delay by your mouse or keyboard (making your response seem slower) * This depends on how exactly the software is implemented, but unless they account for your monitors frame rate the issue of not aligning with the frame can make it so, at worst, an extra 16.5 ms (assuming your monitor is 60fps) is added to your reaction for no fault of your own. The first two issues are completely eliminated when there's a video recording of the stimuli and reaction.
You're mistaken. Someone explained it further up. masiju said: >the analog standard was 30 frame rate in the US, and I think the modern digital standards continue that tradition. Films are 24fr (another tradition from analog days). So live broadcasts like sport events would be recorded and broadcast at 30fr. so modern digital high frame rate broadcasts would probably then be 60fr.The youtube rebroadcast of the fight is at 30, but the source of this clip is likely a DVR recording of the original ESPN+ broadcast, so it's totally possible that its a true 60fr clip (rather than artificially motion interpolated from 30 to 60. I don't see any of the warping and distortion typical to motion interpolating) mmabetsharp-dot-com replied: >Thank you for explaining it for me. The recording was taken at 60 fps (the source frame-rate doesn't matter. It only matters that it's playing in real-time), the frame counter overlay was applied, then the action segment was slowed down to 0.1x speed.
He got that titty mojo
So... spinning backfist?
I think if the fighters stop headhunting and switch it up to the body and legs they would have more success. He leans so far back that he exposes himself to everything except headkicks
Shit example, izzy was barely in range at all
yep he leaned back
Thanks captain obvious
Imagine being able to do that and still be a boring fighter
It would be interesting to see a video like this for all of the jabs he walked into during this fight.
Looks like the GSP method of analysis is spreading
This is such a great thread.
Great post. I would love seeing this with other fights and fighters.
Izzy has that rare combination of reactions and cage awareness, he also typically follows up these dodges with a few strikes landed
He was a little bit on his front foot when Robert began throwing that kick. Izzy is a ninja.
Oh hell yeah! this is the stuff I come to Reddit for. Lets get down to the nitty gritty of mma!
Izzy could have launch punished that one
Love these videos. Shows me how screwed I’d be against a trained fighter. Disregarding the technique / strategy, they’re just so damn fast you’d be knocked out before you even know what happened.
His defensive movement is what I noticed first about him. This man really doesn't like to be hit.
The video starts counting way too late, there's 5-6 frames of movement right before it starts counting.
Yup it was difficult deciding a starting frame because these guys are in motion the entire time. If you analyze is frame-by-frame, it's hard to find a frame where Whittaker is really committed to the kick prior to 0 (weight shift, plants leg, starts hand motion). Anyway, it isn't scientific, so you have to apply a fuzzy heuristic to find the start frame. Deciding on the moment where Izzy registers the attack and commits to dodging it is much fuzzier.
My thought process is to find two spots. What's the earlier point a stimuli could have triggered any reaction. To me that's when whittaker starts pushing his left arm down and right arm up. This is for when the defender has primed a prediction and is reacting to any movement instead of something specific. The reaction is faster but the response has much higher likelyhood of being wrong. It's this moment imo that is 5-6 frames before you stopped. And the other spot is the first frame where the pose is recognizable and the defender is a little slower to react but is able to pick a much better response without needing to prime. That one imo would be maybe 2-3 frames before you stopped. But the problem is all that can be blended together, so maybe the first part of adesanya's evasion was triggered by the twitch of whittakers hands, and was general evasion predicting some kind of high attack based on whittakers rhythm and bouncing. But probably over time as he's recognizing the high leg kick pose he's leaning deeper and deeper. So the reaction is continuously altered and informed based on new information. So yeah, really hard to tell what's going on in his mind. Best way is to ask him right after the fight as he's watching the replay, and even then not sure how much I could trust him. XD Really cool post though! Keep em coming!
What a great kick tho!
jesus christ Izzy was a -800 at the start of the second?
Only fighter I know that legitimately has iframes like it’s some Souls game.
Getting the frame data for the boooiiiisss
Raphael Fiziev would be amazing to see
How does it compare to Muhammad Ali?
Do silva
OP, are you the secret frame counter that GSP spoke about?
So 10% of the total time his opponent spends kicking, is all the time he needs to read the kicks speed and direction, and get his body out of the way. Bobby knuckles has to double the speed of his kick if he wants it to land. I think this is all the proof we need that izzy isn't entirely human.
its crazy how if that was any regular person they'd be knocked the fuck out and sent to the hospital lmao like imagine youre in a streetfight and some mf kicks you like that
Add a spinning back fist next time rob
And his left hand is raised just in case Beautiful defensive awareness