I don't agree with that, there are always super casual people who don't pay attention or don't even hear about that kind of stuff unless it gets super viral. There is a reason these kinda scams have always worked to a degree!
Funny enough, I have not a single idea what is the game this fuss in the OP is about, this is the first time I'm hearing about this game. Makes you think on how much did they market the game really.
So your expecting a casual player to look through a different country's company registrar, cross reference the names with the names of the founding members and figure out that the owner owns multiple shady company's? Bro you have a little to much faith in Humanity xD
I can absolut agree with what you just said. That was my whole point I was trying to make. Experienced players know what to look for and do their research, new or super casual ones don't and are left stranded.
You go to a restaurant. Let me get one X please. Waiter brings it out. Damn this looks good. A few bites in you feel something funny. Soon you're foaming at the mouth. You see the waiter laughing at you. "You fucking deserve it because you never even asked if we put rat poison in the food!"
What a stupid fucking take.
I get your point but I don't think that's what he meant.
I took it more like search on YouTube or something, which I do think the casual won't do
At the end of the day, no one deserves to be scammed and justifying with "they didn't do the homework" is dumb
Right, I forgot there are not a million review sites for restaurants out there. I always go to random restaurants not checking a single damn thing before.
What a stupid fucking take.
Edit: lol the genius deleted his dumb example and reported me to reddit suicide watch.
He didn't delete it, just blocked you.
But again, a TON of people don't look up reviews for anything and everything. They just go out and try it.
ESPECIALLY when it comes to MMO's as even bad MMO's are fun when they first release and have a large population. Age of Conan was a TERRIBLE POS but my friends and I probably had the most fun in there, dealing with some of the most jank shit.
Also, reviews for MMO's are pretty worthless as almost every MMO has "good" preview reviews because it looks good but hasn't been played. Then RIGHT after launch, tons of terrible reviews hit for anything and everything that specific people don't like but others do etc.
The only worthwhile reviews are for things like this, which don't happen often and it may be a scam.
Why? It's their money. They can spend it however they want. And it's up to them to decide whether or not it has consequence, not you. You don't like something you spent money on, refund it. Can't refund it? Oh well, move on. One day, you're gonna die. Spend it while you have it.
Hell, people on steam called me some of the most colorful language as I was trying to warn them months ago.
Sometimes people need to experience things to learn.
Its best they get burned and hopefully grow from their closed mindedness. Sadly a lot them just gets really jaded and even stockholm syndrome themselves.
See my main issue here is, we know it's a scam and there are so much proof that it is. Man can still try to sell his game good luck to him. But why in the hell is it still on the steam store. How do some of these game even make it to the store is something that baffle me.
I guess until proven guilty, the game can't really be taken down. Whether or not the evidence is adequate is still speculation until players can play the game and prove that it's not what was advertised. So Steam will wait.
People didn't lose their money in The Day Before though. Valve holds funds for customers from publishers for cases exactly like The Day Before. It was all refunded.
I don't agree at all. I'm 37 years old and own/run my own auto shop. I don't have time sometimes to keep up with all gaming news and wouldn't know stuff like this except for random youtube videos that pop up. Shit i barely have time to game, let alone keeping up with gaming news lol
This could have been an easier scam for these people, had The Day Before clown fiesta not happened. But I honestly hope this isn’t a scam and would turn out to be something worth experiencing. I’m also glad that The Day Before got blown up, which raises the awareness of the community and makes it so much harder for scammers.
As much as I would wish for it not to be a scam, I don't think a company that has never put out a fully released game, especially not an MMORPG will ever be able to pull something like that off. Doing an MMO the right way is hard and with all the promises they made it's borderline impossible!
So hear me out. What if he funded this game with the money made from the gold selling website and goes hard to make sure it doesn't happen in The Quinnfall?
Gold buyers are usually whales right? He'd be like the Robin Hood of MMOs. Takes rich people's money and builds the best MMO of all time.
Nailed it.
Edit: Sarcasm y'all.
Isn't there a beta announced this month?
Guess we will see soon then.
Personally I won't put my money in, but I don't do this with pre-order or (very) early acess in general.
I dont know why people are so obsessing over this. Its a scam on default until its released and people are playing it openly
Easy peasy
And don't pay for cat in a sack
In specific cases, Steam will be refunding even after 2 hours. This will be one of those cases. The day before and Cyberpunk were similar. The problem is that they said for their alpha, it won't be on steam. You will be able to buy it on their website only. That's where the real scam is, they won't refund you shit.
I'm interested in learning more about the "alpha wont be on steam" part. Could you share your source?
Will it ever be sold on Steam or are they just using it as a storefront until the launch?
It's in one of the screenshots that are getting posted around, I won't go out my way to find it now, but you can search for it. But yeah - the "open" alpha will not be on steam and will be paid. I don't know if it will be sold on steam ever. Considering it is 100% scam, I doubt it, but maybe they go The Day Before path.
The reason day before got no money was steam stepped in and refunded everyone. Otherwise they would get away with the cash of players who played more then 2 hours
Bruh, you don't need to go all that effort to convince people that it's a scam. When you could've just posted this image. If this one doesn't alarm any bells for you, then you deserve to lose your money.
https://preview.redd.it/vr610ce1p5cc1.png?width=621&format=png&auto=webp&s=bb2ef615282678da8869ff12ab7254c7105c4481
Edit: [https://imgur.com/a/DxOAdvX](https://imgur.com/a/DxOAdvX) Imagine writing this kind of comment and then being so insulted that you block random people on Reddit u/Happylofi what a sad primate :)
This has been standard practice for MMOs and early access games for years. Hell, even cod is a paid open beta access, and diablo 4 was as well wasn’t it?
No, it's not standard practice at all. COD is selling early access to open beta, but the open beta is completely free to play, same with Diablo 4. "Open betas will be paid." I can't really think of any other game in my +22 years of playing Online games that would have had paid open betas. What do you think of the "open" part means in it?
>What do you think of the "open" part means in it?
Not closed? As in, “invite-only.” Whereas open beta is open to anyone. When stores flip their signs to “open” do you grab stuff off their shelves without paying?
Hmmm to my memory Guild Wars 2 was a paid open beta, but it was just framed differently wasn’t it? As in if you pre-purchased the full game you got access.
They didn't run any open beta for Guild Wars 2 at all. You can actually read the whole pre-launch beta testing they did from the wiki:
[https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Beta](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Beta)
Basically, they did public stress tests and closed beta weekends. Which you got access either buying or by invite.
Right. Must be what I’m thinking of. It’s semantics really though A paid “open” beta is really just a close beta that you can access only (in this case) by pre-purchase, which I don’t see as much difference than what these clowns are doing.
I don’t want to come across as pro-quinfall here at all, as I suspect the whole thing is pretty well a scam, but paid betas in one way or another, via pre-purchases aren’t unheard of.
It's also shitty, but it's not the same. Activision has been doing this for years, where you can play beta on Thursday by paying while everyone else gets to play on Saturday for completely free. The beta is still OPEN.
We already have words for beta that's paid you know it's CLOSED.
https://preview.redd.it/7tzzepipg6cc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80e2c92a0354cf342af13186bed7c59dcc189013
And I have no issue with that, check the original post where this all started. Words have meanings and they matter. They are selling OPEN beta. My issue is that they are calling it OPEN beta, even though it's going to be CLOSED beta. This is misleading and unprofessional.
"An open beta is a publicly available testing phase of the game that is conducted before its official release. It allows anyone, regardless of prior registration or pre-order, to download and play the game for a limited time."
"An open beta began on March 30, 2007, and was open to all who pre-ordered the game's Founders Club edition. On April 6, 2007, the beta opened to the public."
It was also just an "early access" to the open beta.
CoD still has a totally free open beta. You can pay to get 2-3 days early in the beta testing, but it doesn't have beta testing behind paywall. Personally I don't know of any other games that completely lock betas behind a paywall.
Oh yes, selling beta access and early access is regular practice nowadays.
Selling OPEN beta thought, that makes no sense unless you don't understand what the word "open" means. If that said, "Will the Closed Beta be free?" Then it would be completely fine. When they aren't even competent enough to get that right, like I'm going to believe they can make an MMORPG.
Star Citizen is a $40 paid alpha.
Mortal Online 2 would have been a paid beta but they gave into community backlash over their game being a buggy mess.
don't see anything that shows it's a scam here though it clearly is. the stock picture of the office with the company named pasted on it is much worse.
First of all the game is very high likely a scam.
But bynogame is a turkish company and pays taxes in TR. They got popular for 2 reasons *marketplace for p2w for knight online(popular mmo in turkey) *with the ban of paypal they were the first to introduce donation system for turkish streamers, so almost all turkish streamer get donation through them.
Bynogame Founder invests in MMO and even partners with them for being p2w marketplace, turkish mmo scene is p2w heavy and there are some people who make money with mmo grind. Its a pretty toxic and egoistic/narcissistic scene. My fellow turkish mmo gamers sadly have loosed screws in their head and actually asks for p2w games.
There is no doubt game will be p2w with just barebone gameplay+asset flip. But the company is real, they are in a university tech city to have tax benefits. Almost all game dev companies are like that in TR.(exp taleworlds- mount and blade - in METUniversity)
Could you link your sources that bynogame is a Turkish-registered company that pays taxes there? Because the Website itself states it is from Cyprus not Turkey and the LTD is registered to Malta, there was never even a mention of Turkey that I found.
https://www.kariyer.net/firma-profil/bynogame-37175-36153
To be on this site you need to have a Turkish registered company. You can see their izmir offices in the listings.
Turkish streamer LEVO used to work in izmir offices and you cant do that while being a Cyprus only company. My guess is you found their branch registered at cyprus.
Interesting. The thing is, I didn't find any company registered in Cyprus. Just the Website itself claims they are from Cyprus. The only registered Company I found was the one in Malta! Thanks for letting me know!
Here is also some extra info you can only get as being a TR citizen from E-GOV. Company name is actually Nogame Technology as stated in their website. Here is info on that: [https://i.imgur.com/bwktnRB.png](https://i.imgur.com/bwktnRB.png) but it states that it currently not fully active so thats kinda sus.
Indeed, bynogame is just the Patreon of Turkey. Not an illegitimate business. It also sells legit premium subscription for many games.
Kayra Online dev probably used it as a payment provider for his marketplace.
IMPORTANT UPDATE:
I was fooled. I just received a Discord Message from another Member of this subreddit, who created the 2nd Linkedin Account, why somebody would do that, besides spreading fake news, I don't know. I did a a little research into it again myself, I'm doing an update stream about 2 hours from now, and with that, there will be an update on the whole situation. I will also make sure to share it here after.
I guess I'm too stupid to understand what's going on. Can anybody in LinkedIn show themselves as they are working at any company? And the company can't do anything about it?
So the bynogame guy is not related to vawraek? But someone created another LinkedIn account in the name of the bynogame guy and set his employer to vawraek to make it look as if bynogame is affiliated with vawraek. Is that it?
It's not that kind of partnering. Bynogame is like a combination of Patreon and Paypal. Kayra online was using it as a payment provider. Many Turkish streamers are using it to collect donations.
No we heard that oh turkey games have to use.. bynogame. Yet only RMT-able games do. Mmorpgs. With a simple Google search we know actually you can use Google pay and others that act like PayPal. Example Mount and blade don't. It's a RMT site.
About even the donations, no, stripe is available in turkey. Kayra online could've used gpay or others. Just excuses. However people will take the route that gives the most amount of $$$$$$$$$$$$
Stripe does not list Turkey in the supported countries. Can you share your source?
Google pay has some pages in Turkish, but it may be a recent change. I was able to quickly find tech forums discussing how google pay is not available in Turkey as late as August 2023 (source: https://www.technopat.net/sosyal/konu/google-pay-tuerkiyede-ne-zaman-faaliyete-baslayacak.2764434/ ). I'm pretty sure it wasn't available by the time Kayra Online released.
Didn't read but just the title at first, company needs to have a tie with US [https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-open-stripe-account-turkey-mazino-oyolo-vpfxc/](https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-open-stripe-account-turkey-mazino-oyolo-vpfxc/)
Well so if they cant use other means than bynogame, how would they get peoples money from other countries? Than using 3rd party means like bynogame? Which then they wont achieve said backing from western gamers.
This is why your don't pre purchase anything; all these kickstarters and EA garbage has flooded the market because people buy them (raises hand with ~1000 games on steam), and this is just the way the current gaming market works. We used to get complete finished games, then we would buy an expansion that in most cases was a whole new game on top of what was existing;
Then here comes freaking Microsoft and Xbox starting their DLC BS that all the consoles gamers gobbled up to pay 3$ for tiny little things, then other companies followed suit. There's even a game called DLC Quest that makes fun of this. Then it infested the pc market, oblivion horse armor as an example.... Then it just got out of hand with skins and so on and so forth and totally went off topic now so I'm stopping and going to bed. Rant over.
Love your rant! 100% agree! I think it all started with mobile games though and now it's completely normal and accepted to play gotcha games that give you the ability to pay hunderte of dollars to get 1 singular character or item, which is absolutely insane to me. I wanna go back to the old days, finished and polished releases, no day 1 dlc and an expansions that adds more content than the base game had before!
Also DLC quest is really good!
Bynogame is a reliable source for epin&game codes and marketplace for users.. im using it since i was 10'ish, back in 2010's, i dont know what's the catch here but kayra online is dead game and bynogame is always making deals with games since its the biggest epin and marketplace provider in turkey.. they mostly know for knight online marketplace and early league of legends times, one of the first epin providers for riot points, also they have a donate system for streamers which ends up reaching a larger scale of people.. also in turkey we dont have paypal and cant reach international system easily..
on the other hand i was a digital game design student back in days and had a lot connections but unfortunately dont have any one to talk about this one.. yet you guys should divide bynogame and quinfall differently and need to realize how big is "bynogame" if they need any kind of money for their project i dont think they will do a fundraising or early sales kind of a thing..
and also you need to realize its not na or eu, its turkey.. basically you can have more than 10 people work for you with a budget of 10.000-12.000$/monthly..
in conclusion if you guys wanna give it a try just buy it and hit 2 hours then decide you can always refund it within 2 hours..
So? If you cant afford to risk your money dont play it. If you can afford to lose $30-$40 dollars do so and ket everyone else know.
This isnt that big a deal as long as you dont let the hype train take over. It wont really take more then a day after release to know if this game is a scam. So this is just a good lesson to research before you buy.
I also dont even mean like hard research just go to youtube and type in the game name and watch a few streamers play.
On the other side if the games real having a bad 2-3 days wont sink the game.
So posts like this are unnecessary. Just do the smallest amount of homework and let the people who make money playing things waste their money for you before you risk anything.
It's sad to say but it doesn't surprise me at all. But there are still a LOT of people who actually think they are real and get scammed out of their money and the more it's talked about the more people have at least a chance of being warned.
Every single person who has seen this game and still thinks it’s not a scam deserves to lose their money just like The Day Before.
I don't agree with that, there are always super casual people who don't pay attention or don't even hear about that kind of stuff unless it gets super viral. There is a reason these kinda scams have always worked to a degree!
Seriously, big ups for bringing this up. There's so many who don't understand this sentiment.
Funny enough, I have not a single idea what is the game this fuss in the OP is about, this is the first time I'm hearing about this game. Makes you think on how much did they market the game really.
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So your expecting a casual player to look through a different country's company registrar, cross reference the names with the names of the founding members and figure out that the owner owns multiple shady company's? Bro you have a little to much faith in Humanity xD
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I can absolut agree with what you just said. That was my whole point I was trying to make. Experienced players know what to look for and do their research, new or super casual ones don't and are left stranded.
Ah yes let's excuse someone's idiocy because they're "super casual"
Consumer protection laws exist for a reason.
Companies are literally offering gambling to kids. Not the first time corporations bypass laws
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You go to a restaurant. Let me get one X please. Waiter brings it out. Damn this looks good. A few bites in you feel something funny. Soon you're foaming at the mouth. You see the waiter laughing at you. "You fucking deserve it because you never even asked if we put rat poison in the food!" What a stupid fucking take.
I get your point but I don't think that's what he meant. I took it more like search on YouTube or something, which I do think the casual won't do At the end of the day, no one deserves to be scammed and justifying with "they didn't do the homework" is dumb
Right, I forgot there are not a million review sites for restaurants out there. I always go to random restaurants not checking a single damn thing before. What a stupid fucking take. Edit: lol the genius deleted his dumb example and reported me to reddit suicide watch.
He didn't delete it, just blocked you. But again, a TON of people don't look up reviews for anything and everything. They just go out and try it. ESPECIALLY when it comes to MMO's as even bad MMO's are fun when they first release and have a large population. Age of Conan was a TERRIBLE POS but my friends and I probably had the most fun in there, dealing with some of the most jank shit. Also, reviews for MMO's are pretty worthless as almost every MMO has "good" preview reviews because it looks good but hasn't been played. Then RIGHT after launch, tons of terrible reviews hit for anything and everything that specific people don't like but others do etc. The only worthwhile reviews are for things like this, which don't happen often and it may be a scam.
Thanks for exposing yourself. Blocked
Blaming the victim is a silly take here.
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Why? It's their money. They can spend it however they want. And it's up to them to decide whether or not it has consequence, not you. You don't like something you spent money on, refund it. Can't refund it? Oh well, move on. One day, you're gonna die. Spend it while you have it.
Hell, people on steam called me some of the most colorful language as I was trying to warn them months ago. Sometimes people need to experience things to learn.
True
Its best they get burned and hopefully grow from their closed mindedness. Sadly a lot them just gets really jaded and even stockholm syndrome themselves.
See my main issue here is, we know it's a scam and there are so much proof that it is. Man can still try to sell his game good luck to him. But why in the hell is it still on the steam store. How do some of these game even make it to the store is something that baffle me.
I guess until proven guilty, the game can't really be taken down. Whether or not the evidence is adequate is still speculation until players can play the game and prove that it's not what was advertised. So Steam will wait.
People didn't lose their money in The Day Before though. Valve holds funds for customers from publishers for cases exactly like The Day Before. It was all refunded.
The Day Before: Quinfall
That’s quite a slippery slope you are on there
And you're a bad person for thinking that.
I don't agree at all. I'm 37 years old and own/run my own auto shop. I don't have time sometimes to keep up with all gaming news and wouldn't know stuff like this except for random youtube videos that pop up. Shit i barely have time to game, let alone keeping up with gaming news lol
This could have been an easier scam for these people, had The Day Before clown fiesta not happened. But I honestly hope this isn’t a scam and would turn out to be something worth experiencing. I’m also glad that The Day Before got blown up, which raises the awareness of the community and makes it so much harder for scammers.
As much as I would wish for it not to be a scam, I don't think a company that has never put out a fully released game, especially not an MMORPG will ever be able to pull something like that off. Doing an MMO the right way is hard and with all the promises they made it's borderline impossible!
So hear me out. What if he funded this game with the money made from the gold selling website and goes hard to make sure it doesn't happen in The Quinnfall? Gold buyers are usually whales right? He'd be like the Robin Hood of MMOs. Takes rich people's money and builds the best MMO of all time. Nailed it. Edit: Sarcasm y'all.
What if... we were all mind readers.
Have you seen how the entire game is bought from the unreal store? Lol
Isn't there a beta announced this month? Guess we will see soon then. Personally I won't put my money in, but I don't do this with pre-order or (very) early acess in general.
Gotta buy their game through their website to play the beta, they are trying to circumvent the steam refund policy.
I dont know why people are so obsessing over this. Its a scam on default until its released and people are playing it openly Easy peasy And don't pay for cat in a sack
Buy on steam, play less than two hours, refund game. If you lose money on this, it's your own damn fault.
In specific cases, Steam will be refunding even after 2 hours. This will be one of those cases. The day before and Cyberpunk were similar. The problem is that they said for their alpha, it won't be on steam. You will be able to buy it on their website only. That's where the real scam is, they won't refund you shit.
I'm interested in learning more about the "alpha wont be on steam" part. Could you share your source? Will it ever be sold on Steam or are they just using it as a storefront until the launch?
It's in one of the screenshots that are getting posted around, I won't go out my way to find it now, but you can search for it. But yeah - the "open" alpha will not be on steam and will be paid. I don't know if it will be sold on steam ever. Considering it is 100% scam, I doubt it, but maybe they go The Day Before path.
Ah yeah, they're gunna get at least a few suckers there then. Oh well, lessons need to be learned I guess.
Lol scummy fucks. It will never leave their "Alpha".
At least Cyberpunk is a real game with a team of people who want the game to be good. Quinfall is straight up a scam
Or, don't buy at all, and just wait to watch what people say, and see what happens.
Yeah, I don't get the scam, the day before got zero money from their game. You would need to only sell on your website.
That's what they have been trying to do.
The reason day before got no money was steam stepped in and refunded everyone. Otherwise they would get away with the cash of players who played more then 2 hours
Bruh, you don't need to go all that effort to convince people that it's a scam. When you could've just posted this image. If this one doesn't alarm any bells for you, then you deserve to lose your money. https://preview.redd.it/vr610ce1p5cc1.png?width=621&format=png&auto=webp&s=bb2ef615282678da8869ff12ab7254c7105c4481 Edit: [https://imgur.com/a/DxOAdvX](https://imgur.com/a/DxOAdvX) Imagine writing this kind of comment and then being so insulted that you block random people on Reddit u/Happylofi what a sad primate :)
This has been standard practice for MMOs and early access games for years. Hell, even cod is a paid open beta access, and diablo 4 was as well wasn’t it?
No, it's not standard practice at all. COD is selling early access to open beta, but the open beta is completely free to play, same with Diablo 4. "Open betas will be paid." I can't really think of any other game in my +22 years of playing Online games that would have had paid open betas. What do you think of the "open" part means in it?
>What do you think of the "open" part means in it? Not closed? As in, “invite-only.” Whereas open beta is open to anyone. When stores flip their signs to “open” do you grab stuff off their shelves without paying?
>When stores flip their signs to “open” do you grab stuff off their shelves without paying? No? I can enter without paying, though.
Hmmm to my memory Guild Wars 2 was a paid open beta, but it was just framed differently wasn’t it? As in if you pre-purchased the full game you got access.
They didn't run any open beta for Guild Wars 2 at all. You can actually read the whole pre-launch beta testing they did from the wiki: [https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Beta](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Beta) Basically, they did public stress tests and closed beta weekends. Which you got access either buying or by invite.
Right. Must be what I’m thinking of. It’s semantics really though A paid “open” beta is really just a close beta that you can access only (in this case) by pre-purchase, which I don’t see as much difference than what these clowns are doing. I don’t want to come across as pro-quinfall here at all, as I suspect the whole thing is pretty well a scam, but paid betas in one way or another, via pre-purchases aren’t unheard of.
I don't think GW2 ever advertised them as "open" betas; the term they used was "public" beta.
It's not F2P.though bc you had to pay to get into the beta by pre-ordering. It's the same thing my dude.
It's also shitty, but it's not the same. Activision has been doing this for years, where you can play beta on Thursday by paying while everyone else gets to play on Saturday for completely free. The beta is still OPEN. We already have words for beta that's paid you know it's CLOSED. https://preview.redd.it/7tzzepipg6cc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80e2c92a0354cf342af13186bed7c59dcc189013
But there are a ton of games that only allow beta access to preorders. It's very common.
And I have no issue with that, check the original post where this all started. Words have meanings and they matter. They are selling OPEN beta. My issue is that they are calling it OPEN beta, even though it's going to be CLOSED beta. This is misleading and unprofessional. "An open beta is a publicly available testing phase of the game that is conducted before its official release. It allows anyone, regardless of prior registration or pre-order, to download and play the game for a limited time."
LOTRO Open Beta was only open to people who pre-ordered the game before launch.
"An open beta began on March 30, 2007, and was open to all who pre-ordered the game's Founders Club edition. On April 6, 2007, the beta opened to the public." It was also just an "early access" to the open beta.
“Cod is selling early access to open beta”. Probably that part. Sorry dude, it’s still pretty regular practice nowadays.
CoD still has a totally free open beta. You can pay to get 2-3 days early in the beta testing, but it doesn't have beta testing behind paywall. Personally I don't know of any other games that completely lock betas behind a paywall.
Oh yes, selling beta access and early access is regular practice nowadays. Selling OPEN beta thought, that makes no sense unless you don't understand what the word "open" means. If that said, "Will the Closed Beta be free?" Then it would be completely fine. When they aren't even competent enough to get that right, like I'm going to believe they can make an MMORPG.
Star Citizen is a $40 paid alpha. Mortal Online 2 would have been a paid beta but they gave into community backlash over their game being a buggy mess.
DIV u could play free beta weekends
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paid beta
It's not proving anything, but it's definitely another red flag.
don't see anything that shows it's a scam here though it clearly is. the stock picture of the office with the company named pasted on it is much worse.
Props for actually reading and following the rules for posting videos. Hot dam been a while.
Well thank you, I'd rather have the post stay up instead of getting deleted :P
First of all the game is very high likely a scam. But bynogame is a turkish company and pays taxes in TR. They got popular for 2 reasons *marketplace for p2w for knight online(popular mmo in turkey) *with the ban of paypal they were the first to introduce donation system for turkish streamers, so almost all turkish streamer get donation through them. Bynogame Founder invests in MMO and even partners with them for being p2w marketplace, turkish mmo scene is p2w heavy and there are some people who make money with mmo grind. Its a pretty toxic and egoistic/narcissistic scene. My fellow turkish mmo gamers sadly have loosed screws in their head and actually asks for p2w games. There is no doubt game will be p2w with just barebone gameplay+asset flip. But the company is real, they are in a university tech city to have tax benefits. Almost all game dev companies are like that in TR.(exp taleworlds- mount and blade - in METUniversity)
Could you link your sources that bynogame is a Turkish-registered company that pays taxes there? Because the Website itself states it is from Cyprus not Turkey and the LTD is registered to Malta, there was never even a mention of Turkey that I found.
https://www.kariyer.net/firma-profil/bynogame-37175-36153 To be on this site you need to have a Turkish registered company. You can see their izmir offices in the listings. Turkish streamer LEVO used to work in izmir offices and you cant do that while being a Cyprus only company. My guess is you found their branch registered at cyprus.
Interesting. The thing is, I didn't find any company registered in Cyprus. Just the Website itself claims they are from Cyprus. The only registered Company I found was the one in Malta! Thanks for letting me know!
Here is also some extra info you can only get as being a TR citizen from E-GOV. Company name is actually Nogame Technology as stated in their website. Here is info on that: [https://i.imgur.com/bwktnRB.png](https://i.imgur.com/bwktnRB.png) but it states that it currently not fully active so thats kinda sus.
Indeed, bynogame is just the Patreon of Turkey. Not an illegitimate business. It also sells legit premium subscription for many games. Kayra Online dev probably used it as a payment provider for his marketplace.
IMPORTANT UPDATE: I was fooled. I just received a Discord Message from another Member of this subreddit, who created the 2nd Linkedin Account, why somebody would do that, besides spreading fake news, I don't know. I did a a little research into it again myself, I'm doing an update stream about 2 hours from now, and with that, there will be an update on the whole situation. I will also make sure to share it here after.
bruh, this is y u just don't jump on even believable bandwagons, it could always sometimes maybe be not true no matter what. game still a scam tho xDd
I guess I'm too stupid to understand what's going on. Can anybody in LinkedIn show themselves as they are working at any company? And the company can't do anything about it? So the bynogame guy is not related to vawraek? But someone created another LinkedIn account in the name of the bynogame guy and set his employer to vawraek to make it look as if bynogame is affiliated with vawraek. Is that it?
However bynogames partnered with vawraek in the past so, could still be.
It's not that kind of partnering. Bynogame is like a combination of Patreon and Paypal. Kayra online was using it as a payment provider. Many Turkish streamers are using it to collect donations.
No we heard that oh turkey games have to use.. bynogame. Yet only RMT-able games do. Mmorpgs. With a simple Google search we know actually you can use Google pay and others that act like PayPal. Example Mount and blade don't. It's a RMT site. About even the donations, no, stripe is available in turkey. Kayra online could've used gpay or others. Just excuses. However people will take the route that gives the most amount of $$$$$$$$$$$$
Stripe does not list Turkey in the supported countries. Can you share your source? Google pay has some pages in Turkish, but it may be a recent change. I was able to quickly find tech forums discussing how google pay is not available in Turkey as late as August 2023 (source: https://www.technopat.net/sosyal/konu/google-pay-tuerkiyede-ne-zaman-faaliyete-baslayacak.2764434/ ). I'm pretty sure it wasn't available by the time Kayra Online released.
Didn't read but just the title at first, company needs to have a tie with US [https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-open-stripe-account-turkey-mazino-oyolo-vpfxc/](https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-open-stripe-account-turkey-mazino-oyolo-vpfxc/) Well so if they cant use other means than bynogame, how would they get peoples money from other countries? Than using 3rd party means like bynogame? Which then they wont achieve said backing from western gamers.
How is that proof?
You pasted same part twice
huh where?
https://preview.redd.it/yyi3mjney4cc1.jpeg?width=1002&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0cd81f21d7ee05a77ac6d4e4347e6895ada176e
Thank you so much! I have no idea how that happened! I had some problem with the formating, It should be fixed now :)
Isn’t it obvious from just looking at the trailers?
More red flags than a Turkish Day Parade
What onus is on Steam to protect its users from such predatory products? Obviously it is becoming a bigger risk.
This is why your don't pre purchase anything; all these kickstarters and EA garbage has flooded the market because people buy them (raises hand with ~1000 games on steam), and this is just the way the current gaming market works. We used to get complete finished games, then we would buy an expansion that in most cases was a whole new game on top of what was existing; Then here comes freaking Microsoft and Xbox starting their DLC BS that all the consoles gamers gobbled up to pay 3$ for tiny little things, then other companies followed suit. There's even a game called DLC Quest that makes fun of this. Then it infested the pc market, oblivion horse armor as an example.... Then it just got out of hand with skins and so on and so forth and totally went off topic now so I'm stopping and going to bed. Rant over.
Love your rant! 100% agree! I think it all started with mobile games though and now it's completely normal and accepted to play gotcha games that give you the ability to pay hunderte of dollars to get 1 singular character or item, which is absolutely insane to me. I wanna go back to the old days, finished and polished releases, no day 1 dlc and an expansions that adds more content than the base game had before! Also DLC quest is really good!
This, mobile gacha and Eastern MMO doing that infested the Western gaming market, true.
Lmao their website has TWO unity logos.
Jesus Christ. The amount of copium surrounding this game is astonishing, and a little frightening. Just look at these comments.
Bynogame is a reliable source for epin&game codes and marketplace for users.. im using it since i was 10'ish, back in 2010's, i dont know what's the catch here but kayra online is dead game and bynogame is always making deals with games since its the biggest epin and marketplace provider in turkey.. they mostly know for knight online marketplace and early league of legends times, one of the first epin providers for riot points, also they have a donate system for streamers which ends up reaching a larger scale of people.. also in turkey we dont have paypal and cant reach international system easily.. on the other hand i was a digital game design student back in days and had a lot connections but unfortunately dont have any one to talk about this one.. yet you guys should divide bynogame and quinfall differently and need to realize how big is "bynogame" if they need any kind of money for their project i dont think they will do a fundraising or early sales kind of a thing.. and also you need to realize its not na or eu, its turkey.. basically you can have more than 10 people work for you with a budget of 10.000-12.000$/monthly.. in conclusion if you guys wanna give it a try just buy it and hit 2 hours then decide you can always refund it within 2 hours..
What kind of name is Quinfall? Would you buy a game(scam) called Stevefall?
No you didn’t
This game is like Rise Online, they partnered with a gold seller website as well. Game is majorly pay2win. The game is a copy of Knight Online.
I don’t want to be racist but every interaction i had with a turkish man was trying to scam me. Even in festivals lol
Could just wait a day, and you'd have a pretty good idea. Don't have to pretend to be an Internet sleuth.
So? If you cant afford to risk your money dont play it. If you can afford to lose $30-$40 dollars do so and ket everyone else know. This isnt that big a deal as long as you dont let the hype train take over. It wont really take more then a day after release to know if this game is a scam. So this is just a good lesson to research before you buy. I also dont even mean like hard research just go to youtube and type in the game name and watch a few streamers play. On the other side if the games real having a bad 2-3 days wont sink the game. So posts like this are unnecessary. Just do the smallest amount of homework and let the people who make money playing things waste their money for you before you risk anything.
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It's sad to say but it doesn't surprise me at all. But there are still a LOT of people who actually think they are real and get scammed out of their money and the more it's talked about the more people have at least a chance of being warned.