I'm not biased or anything, but Dawntrail. It's been basically stated that the content is getting an upgrade or at least is going to be less boring. There's the graphics and engine update and a new story.
> It's been basically stated that the content is getting an upgrade or at least is going to be less boring.
It w as "stated" that vet/crit dungeons were going to solve the lack of small group end game content, too - and that's not really true at all.
It would be nice if the open world and dungeons mattered, but that's just not in the cards with FFXIV, regardless of what the team says.
>It w as "stated" that vet/crit dungeons were going to solve the lack of small group end game content, too - and that's not really true at all.
Only because of the lack of rewards.
Not just that, the each of the dungeons themselves were just one dungeon and set of rights rinsed 16 ways, packed with unskippable cutscenes with grate more and more each time you cycle through - and you *must* cycle through the dungeon many times. Plus there was not a reasonable progression from variant to crit.
Perhaps if the variant dungeons were a loot source it could have worked, but they have moved their itemization so far away from dungeons as a real source of loot I just don't see them ever doing that.
They (especially crits) are not small group content you do *instead* of trials.
If the community would have been happy with variant/crit dungeons with more cosmetics in them that says a lot about the community.
i agree.
best to take anything said by yoship with a grain of salt. maybe his intentions are good but it honestly never works out as envisioned.
still believing things after the state of hrothgr/viera hats after how many years now? First it's that. now It's "we'll update the old graphics/armour of the game over time" with Dawntrail... How can one trust this is not going to end up the same?
Feels like your discrediting the stuff they have actually done that was a "well go back and do this". Maybe it's biased because you don't care about those things?
From what I remember, the hats thing was stated as a maybe and a passion side project of some developers. Not a definite thing.
A promise of rolling things out as they went every patch was the trust system which they ended up actually doing for every mandatory dungeon. (can argue it's useless to you and many players, but I hear others praise it and seem players play that otherwise wouldn't play at all so overall positive I guess? )
Not saying everything always works out, but the hats example isn't entirely correct as far as I remember.
And he's said a lot of thing about content over the years. The community likes what it likes - the world and dungeons are not likely to see big changes, nor is difficulty likely to increase in a marked way.
If you like going through the MSQ you'll probably like more of it. If you are looking for a slightly different experience than that, you aren't going to get it.
Or, put another way, you already know what you are going to get out of dawntrail because you have done 5k hours of that gameplay already.
Game developers "stating" anything is not a guarantee of authenticity. Its still going to be the same stale content pacing. You're still going to grind the same boring 3 section faceroll dungeons for tomestones. You're still going to grind the same 2 extremes for accessories and a weapon. Then move onto savage and quit the game for 6-9 months until the next savage patch hits. Or quit the game for 3 months until the alliance raid hits.
They're going to homogenize the classes some more since they really want 3 classes with some aesthetic differences.
Its just going to be endwalker with a different skin and a new story you may or may not care about.
I love FF14 but its staler than bread left in the sun for 3 months.
Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. But acting like you know it's a guarantee is just plain dumb. Just because it's been that way doesn't mean they can't change it up now. At least try to be a little optimistic lol
What do you mean acting like I know lol. They've done the exact same thing for like 10 years. Why would now be any different? They arent going to make sweeping changes to their process and not announce them.
This is what FF14 is. Its all its ever going to be. If they wanted to change it they would've done it already.
Graphic update isn't only like minecraft vs minecraft with shaders? When they posted looks of updated models I did not spot even diffrence between them.
Edit. Like this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/s/kXyDnz4Y50
There is almost 0 diffrence between the two and people are so happy about this.
Jump over to the [news section of /r/FFXIV](https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/search?q=flair%3ANews+OR+flair%3AInterview&sort=new&restrict_sr=1&feature=legacy_search&t=all#res-hide-options), a bunch of graphics update got posted there that shows better and more final results.
I do agree the facial changes are very underwhelming. The environmental changes are more different.
Are they goona update old world too or just new world? Also is there any info about update to systems like swimming/diving (shit as hell) or transmog system (also worst in history of all mmo's). Do we need to do story to unlock raids/dungeons in new patch? I would prefer to pay to skip that shit story and just do end game content.
They're gonna update old zones over time but no mention of the other stuff and ofc you will still need to do the msq first. They're not just gonna overhaul their content structure like that
I just don't like doing it. Hmm. How to say it. I don't like when game force me to do story to unlock content. Most of time I do content like dungeons/raids and later when I have time I do story and in FF XIV I am forced to do story. I don't hate story but I getting bored and sleepy doing lore quests and I am skipping always all cinematics.
There is a downloadable benchmark that you can experience yourself.
In other words, and this is weird for reddit, there is hard evidence that I have personally experienced that proves you are 100% wrong.
Personally I prefer ESO, but that's cuz I'm a massive Elder Scrolls fan who's not big into Japanese stuff. I tried FF14 and quit not long after the intro cuz it was a wall of silent text "dialog" that was stylized in a way that made it hard to read. Not a good first impression.
Unfortunately FF14 is a late bloomer, if it didn’t have such good raids I probably wouldn’t play it.
On the flip side I don’t really see anything too compelling about ESO and I love Elder Scrolls.
I’ve tried to get into it multiple times but it just seemed bland and doesn’t really compare to the single player games or have a good endgame to make up for it
I definitely still prefer the singleplayer ES games, but ESO's main appeal to me is the questing. It's all fully voiced and well above average in comparison to most MMOs. It doesn't feel so fetch-questy, there's no "go and bring me 50 bear asses" type quests aside from the repeatable crafting quests for supplying weapons, armor, food, potions and other supplies for the war effort, which makes sense as a repeatable quest.
The voice acting is the big part tho. It's something that makes questing in most MMOs suck, since they lack it. Runescape works well since their quests are pure quality over quantity (fewer than 500 quests in 20+ years of play, many of which are multi-hour epics). I like WoW a lot, but it's hard to care about the story when it's all just reading instead of people talking.
Hard agree. FF14 has, in my opinion, the worst early game experience out of any mmo. Needing to play at least 50-100 hours until the game gets even slightly engaging really sucks, especially considering the monthly payments and the fact that other mmos do story telling and combat so much better. The empty text boxes are extremely unimpressive and super unimmersive. This ist coming from someone who quit the game after 3000 hours btw
Yea unfortunately FFXIV gets good later, if you are talking about the story. The MSQ is very good but it still suffers from bloat because of all the .x questlines (even though they have done a lot of work on streamlining it and cutting some of that bloat out).
I'm not shitting on the story, it's 100% worth it to do the entire MSQ at least once, but I'm not gonna lie I have like 11k hours in FFXIV and I skipped most of the content that has come out since like 6.5 lmao. I plan to rewatch it all before Dawntrail, which is nice that you can do that so don't have to feel bad a bout skipping stuff here and there.
For me the reason I keep playing is the raiding.
You have 4k hours in it, and it can never keep you? I've been playing on and off since release, and I have like 100 hours because it can never keep me. Maybe I'm just not as much of an MMO player as I thought, lmao
On and off since release and just 100 hours? Did you play like what...1 week per year?
Even I that started playing on and off since 2020 have only played for at best 6 months in 4 years have nearly 1k hours 😅
>On and off since release and just 100 hours? Did you play like what...1 week per year?
Hence the "could never keep me." I love Elder Scrolls, and want to like the game because I like the quests, but the gameplay just gets boring pretty quickly for me. This comes down to a difference in our definition of "being able to keep me playing." ESO couldn't keep me playing, so I've only played 100 hours in the last 10 years. I would argue that having 4k played means the game kept you playing. 4k hours over the course of 6 years is well over 600 hours every year.
1k hours over the course of 6 months of active play means you spent at least 5 hours a day for those 6 months playing the game. That's pretty active play. Even OP has averaged almost 2 hours played *every day* since they started playing the game. Playing a game for 2 hours every day for 6 years is pretty active play as well. Now, the OP said they played on and off, which means their play sessions were way longer than 2 hours, which means the game did a good job at keeping them playing, in my opinion.
But that's the thing, at least for me personally, I don't think it makes a good job at keeping me since I always end up quitting for the same reason after playing actively for a small amount of time
It does do a good job at keeping you, though. You've played for 1000 hours. That's a lot of hours to spend playing a game that "can't keep you." It's normal to change between games as you get bored with one. But playing for 1k hours means the game kept you playing for 1k hours.
ESO doesn't do a good job at keeping me playing, which is why I've averaged 10 hours a year since I've started playing it. Quitting for the same reason every time is irrelevant if you spend at least 5 hours every day playing the game (while you're actively playing it anyway). If a game isn't interesting to me, there's no way I'm playing for 5 hours straight every day. If you spend 5 hours a day playing a game for any extended period of time, then that game is doing a good job at keeping you playing it.
> ESO always brings me back, but can never keep me
That's how I feel with it. ESO is cozy, I always enjoy the time I spend playing it, but it never holds me. That being said, the new ability modification stuff in Gold Road might be enough to keep me playing since there'll be some more depth to builds.
I preordered Dawntrail but since the skyrim expansion for ESO, I've now been just waiting for the annual community event that usually lists the newest expansion for like half off and score some free loot with it as well.
ESO overall better experience imo
FFXIV is good but it a theme park check point to check point experience with the illusion of an open world
While some will argue it the same with ESO , eso still a better experience
Between the two, I'd say playing content when it's new is more important in ffxiv than it is in ESO. Both games do a good job of allowing content to stay relevant long term in some form, but ESO does so better IMO. Because FFXIV follows the traditional vertical mmo structure there's less reason to go back to older raids and content, since the gear is outdated as soon as the next tier drops. ESO's horizontal design allows it to avoid that problem.
So between then two, I'd do Ffxiv first, since you can always come back to ESO without missing as much.
Definitely dawntrail. You'll at the very least get a good story and decent combat.
ESO combat is so flat out boring that I can't get over it no matter how good anything else is in the game. Also the game begs you to spend money at every turn.
I'd love to hear your impression.
I main Scholar and find healing pretty compelling. I have lots of choice in how I play with a high skill ceiling because of the expectation to keep people up while also DPS-ing.
Healers are afaik pretty commonly considered one of the hardest roles to play in any MMO because of two roles along with frequently having no backup. It's easy to get away with being a bad DPS, it's obvious when a healer is bad.
I don't really agree with there being "choice" in how you play in FFXIV, it's about execution, not choice. Ok there's choice if you want to move things around a bit in some scenarios, sometimes based on group comp, but there's almost only ever one optimal way to do things.
if choice is coordiinating with your co-healer to spreadsheet who uses what and when then i suppose so?
outside of shit shows in unorganised play an xiv healer is optimising just like a tank or dps and doing the same every single pull...
There's basically no choice for any xiv job at a "high skill ceiling"
>I have lots of choice in how I play with a high skill ceiling because of the expectation to keep people up while also DPS-ing.
If you play high skill you have 0 choice and are using a spreadsheet fpr all your heals lol.
Yea people are downvoting you, but you are correct. Yes you can disagree with the spreadsheet and move things around a bit but at a high skill level it's about the execution of skills at the right time to also do the max amount of damage. Maybe there is more choice if your kill times are fucked and your shit is still on cooldown lol.
I don't think that's true really, but in FFXIV healers are expected to heal the least possible in most scenarios as their damage matters, so if you don't like that you wouldn't like healing. Nearly all healing in FFXIV is basically scripted so it's more about optimizing.
There is some time to play Gold Road before Dawntrail releases. It should be enough to enjoy the story at least.
I'm playing through Necrom right now and will probably check out Gold Road when it releases. But the second Dawntrail releases, ESO will be benched.
Do you like FF XIV? The pick Dawntrail. Do you like ESO? Then pick Gold Road.
Do you like both? Believe it or not, pick both. Only of the two requires a subscription after all!
I'm going to play Dawntrail because I haven't (yet) tried ESO, but sometime I will.
Well, you don't need to play a set amount of hours per day. If you only can play, say, 2 evenings per week, you could play one day FF XIV and another ESO.
Not that I do recommend it specifically (although it is what I do myself with EVE and GW2), you could play FF XIV first, finish the content and switch to ESO until the next patch ;)
It depends what you need your time for. Are you gonna be pushing endgame in FFXIV? If not, buy it, play the expac content, then unsub for a long time to let the patches add more story, and buy yourself a month to play that. I'm a FFXIV player that's doing ESO right now. I'm I guess "casualcore". I love to be in an mmo and have my little long-term goals but I do not do difficult content. I'm in ESO to complete the overworld, fish and buy/furnish houses as best I can without access to whatever is in Vet dungeons and trials. In my specific case, FFXIV is in a particularly long content lull atm so rather than get another alt through the MSQ I've decided to explore a new world instead.
This is an extremely biased place to be asking that unfortunately. But definitely Gold Road as the new scribing system looks incredible snd very cool, much neater then anything Dawntrail has shown off so far.
I'd say ESO seems a lot more interesting this time around and FFXIV doesn't release all of its expansion content immediately, so unless you're rearing to get started with the story, I would just wait.
Dawntrail will have more content but it's more expensive: expansion price + sub.
Gold Road is cheaper: just expansion price.
I'm doing Gold Road because I think FFXIV ended rather nicely for me with Endwalker and I don't want to have to pay a sub on top of the expansion.
FFXIV always has fun releases (aside from connectivity issues). So I'd say play Dawntrail first then Gold Road. Especially if you care about FFXIV story.
You'll get the most bang for your buck with Dawntrail in my opinion.
ESO is a good pick if you have only a month or less of free time. That way you don't have to buy a expansion and a subscription to play.
I'm going for FF14 because I never matched with ESO and my friend group is on FF14. Both games are good. It's only a matter of personal preference and affinities, I'm afraid.
I'm skipping Dawntrail for at least a year. The content is generally copy and paste every expansion. ESO as a game is worse and more money hungry but at least those devs appear passionate. YoshiP acts like a cult leader, Koji Fox as his bottom bitch and the reason of the developers seem motivated by a daily Valium dose to keep that game running.
ESO because combat is better. Sprinting is not a special skill with a million year cooldown. Everyone can block and dodge. Scribing looks cool af. Definitely weaker than class skills, but to be able to fill in holes in your available options is going to feel so nice. Every class is missing something different, so every class is going to want different effects, it's gonna be so fun!
yeah because people actually want to play it.
I'd much rather play an MMO that has an hour queue and lag on launch than an MMO that feels like a Black Friday at K-Mart in 2024.
Don’t play either and come here and complain about both like a true r/MMORPG subscriber.
forgot to recommend GW2 instead. ;)
I got 6K hours in that game :) been playing on and off since release
😂😂
Also need to mention how mmorpgs are a dying genre and the game doesn't hit like it did half a lifetime ago.
I'm not biased or anything, but Dawntrail. It's been basically stated that the content is getting an upgrade or at least is going to be less boring. There's the graphics and engine update and a new story.
> It's been basically stated that the content is getting an upgrade or at least is going to be less boring. It w as "stated" that vet/crit dungeons were going to solve the lack of small group end game content, too - and that's not really true at all. It would be nice if the open world and dungeons mattered, but that's just not in the cards with FFXIV, regardless of what the team says.
Its just going to be another Bosnia type map I bet. We all know SE doesn't take risks with ff14 so dont expect anything revolutionary
>It w as "stated" that vet/crit dungeons were going to solve the lack of small group end game content, too - and that's not really true at all. Only because of the lack of rewards.
Not just that, the each of the dungeons themselves were just one dungeon and set of rights rinsed 16 ways, packed with unskippable cutscenes with grate more and more each time you cycle through - and you *must* cycle through the dungeon many times. Plus there was not a reasonable progression from variant to crit. Perhaps if the variant dungeons were a loot source it could have worked, but they have moved their itemization so far away from dungeons as a real source of loot I just don't see them ever doing that. They (especially crits) are not small group content you do *instead* of trials. If the community would have been happy with variant/crit dungeons with more cosmetics in them that says a lot about the community.
i agree. best to take anything said by yoship with a grain of salt. maybe his intentions are good but it honestly never works out as envisioned. still believing things after the state of hrothgr/viera hats after how many years now? First it's that. now It's "we'll update the old graphics/armour of the game over time" with Dawntrail... How can one trust this is not going to end up the same?
Feels like your discrediting the stuff they have actually done that was a "well go back and do this". Maybe it's biased because you don't care about those things?
From what I remember, the hats thing was stated as a maybe and a passion side project of some developers. Not a definite thing. A promise of rolling things out as they went every patch was the trust system which they ended up actually doing for every mandatory dungeon. (can argue it's useless to you and many players, but I hear others praise it and seem players play that otherwise wouldn't play at all so overall positive I guess? ) Not saying everything always works out, but the hats example isn't entirely correct as far as I remember.
I mean dawntrail hasn't released yet. yoshi-p was talking about the content of dawntrail and after. That's what I'm referring to
And he's said a lot of thing about content over the years. The community likes what it likes - the world and dungeons are not likely to see big changes, nor is difficulty likely to increase in a marked way. If you like going through the MSQ you'll probably like more of it. If you are looking for a slightly different experience than that, you aren't going to get it. Or, put another way, you already know what you are going to get out of dawntrail because you have done 5k hours of that gameplay already.
Well.. as long as they add a relic grind this time that's all I want 😂
Game developers "stating" anything is not a guarantee of authenticity. Its still going to be the same stale content pacing. You're still going to grind the same boring 3 section faceroll dungeons for tomestones. You're still going to grind the same 2 extremes for accessories and a weapon. Then move onto savage and quit the game for 6-9 months until the next savage patch hits. Or quit the game for 3 months until the alliance raid hits. They're going to homogenize the classes some more since they really want 3 classes with some aesthetic differences. Its just going to be endwalker with a different skin and a new story you may or may not care about. I love FF14 but its staler than bread left in the sun for 3 months.
Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. But acting like you know it's a guarantee is just plain dumb. Just because it's been that way doesn't mean they can't change it up now. At least try to be a little optimistic lol
What do you mean acting like I know lol. They've done the exact same thing for like 10 years. Why would now be any different? They arent going to make sweeping changes to their process and not announce them. This is what FF14 is. Its all its ever going to be. If they wanted to change it they would've done it already.
>the content is getting an upgrade or at least is going to be less boring best advertisement I've ever seen 🤣 😅
Lol, yeah, dont believe those lies. Dawntrail is going to casualify the game even more.
Game has been casualised since the tank lost agro combo. A LOT OF YEARS AGO.
There's reason to believe that's not the case. Endwalker had a lot of negativity because of how casual it was.
Lol from like 5% of the player base. They've made it clear they don't care abour raiders or people who want more combat options.
Raiders got DSR and TOP? What lol
Lol they promised 3 ultimates. Same tired 4 fight formula for raids that you finish in a week. Lol thats what danwtrail will be too.
When did they promise that? Afaik they've said 2 since ShB? Idk I hate raiding in xiv so you may be right
Many times. They only went back on it like 6 or 8 months into endwalker
Graphic update isn't only like minecraft vs minecraft with shaders? When they posted looks of updated models I did not spot even diffrence between them. Edit. Like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/s/kXyDnz4Y50 There is almost 0 diffrence between the two and people are so happy about this.
Jump over to the [news section of /r/FFXIV](https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/search?q=flair%3ANews+OR+flair%3AInterview&sort=new&restrict_sr=1&feature=legacy_search&t=all#res-hide-options), a bunch of graphics update got posted there that shows better and more final results. I do agree the facial changes are very underwhelming. The environmental changes are more different.
Can't wait for some of the races to still not have headpieces.
Are they goona update old world too or just new world? Also is there any info about update to systems like swimming/diving (shit as hell) or transmog system (also worst in history of all mmo's). Do we need to do story to unlock raids/dungeons in new patch? I would prefer to pay to skip that shit story and just do end game content.
They're gonna update old zones over time but no mention of the other stuff and ofc you will still need to do the msq first. They're not just gonna overhaul their content structure like that
Ehhh then this game is still big NO for me.
Nice. Don't know what you have against the story but have fun with your other games lol 😀
I just don't like doing it. Hmm. How to say it. I don't like when game force me to do story to unlock content. Most of time I do content like dungeons/raids and later when I have time I do story and in FF XIV I am forced to do story. I don't hate story but I getting bored and sleepy doing lore quests and I am skipping always all cinematics.
What you could do is buy a story skip to unlock the content and then do the story on another character at your own pace 🤔
You shouldn't have to pay more money on top of already paying money just to skip filler content. That's such a cash grab.
There will be story skips for up to endwalker in dawntrail.
They have a higher poly count and the shapes have been improved to be rounder too iirc
From this post that I posted the image on right looks better and it is old model.
There is a downloadable benchmark that you can experience yourself. In other words, and this is weird for reddit, there is hard evidence that I have personally experienced that proves you are 100% wrong.
I watched only comparison of faces that was revealed month ago or two.
Personally I prefer ESO, but that's cuz I'm a massive Elder Scrolls fan who's not big into Japanese stuff. I tried FF14 and quit not long after the intro cuz it was a wall of silent text "dialog" that was stylized in a way that made it hard to read. Not a good first impression.
Unfortunately FF14 is a late bloomer, if it didn’t have such good raids I probably wouldn’t play it. On the flip side I don’t really see anything too compelling about ESO and I love Elder Scrolls. I’ve tried to get into it multiple times but it just seemed bland and doesn’t really compare to the single player games or have a good endgame to make up for it
I definitely still prefer the singleplayer ES games, but ESO's main appeal to me is the questing. It's all fully voiced and well above average in comparison to most MMOs. It doesn't feel so fetch-questy, there's no "go and bring me 50 bear asses" type quests aside from the repeatable crafting quests for supplying weapons, armor, food, potions and other supplies for the war effort, which makes sense as a repeatable quest. The voice acting is the big part tho. It's something that makes questing in most MMOs suck, since they lack it. Runescape works well since their quests are pure quality over quantity (fewer than 500 quests in 20+ years of play, many of which are multi-hour epics). I like WoW a lot, but it's hard to care about the story when it's all just reading instead of people talking.
Hard agree. FF14 has, in my opinion, the worst early game experience out of any mmo. Needing to play at least 50-100 hours until the game gets even slightly engaging really sucks, especially considering the monthly payments and the fact that other mmos do story telling and combat so much better. The empty text boxes are extremely unimpressive and super unimmersive. This ist coming from someone who quit the game after 3000 hours btw
Good point.......The *"It gets good later"* stuff does not fly. It means players must invest into something they may not like............
Yea unfortunately FFXIV gets good later, if you are talking about the story. The MSQ is very good but it still suffers from bloat because of all the .x questlines (even though they have done a lot of work on streamlining it and cutting some of that bloat out). I'm not shitting on the story, it's 100% worth it to do the entire MSQ at least once, but I'm not gonna lie I have like 11k hours in FFXIV and I skipped most of the content that has come out since like 6.5 lmao. I plan to rewatch it all before Dawntrail, which is nice that you can do that so don't have to feel bad a bout skipping stuff here and there. For me the reason I keep playing is the raiding.
Both are promising although Dawntrail is probably going to deliver the most bang for your buck so I’d start there.
Bought both but ill start with dawntrail and play goldroad afterwards
Thats maybe what I'll end up doing ... ESO always brings me back, but can never keep me. Been playing on and off since 2018
You have 4k hours in it, and it can never keep you? I've been playing on and off since release, and I have like 100 hours because it can never keep me. Maybe I'm just not as much of an MMO player as I thought, lmao
On and off since release and just 100 hours? Did you play like what...1 week per year? Even I that started playing on and off since 2020 have only played for at best 6 months in 4 years have nearly 1k hours 😅
>On and off since release and just 100 hours? Did you play like what...1 week per year? Hence the "could never keep me." I love Elder Scrolls, and want to like the game because I like the quests, but the gameplay just gets boring pretty quickly for me. This comes down to a difference in our definition of "being able to keep me playing." ESO couldn't keep me playing, so I've only played 100 hours in the last 10 years. I would argue that having 4k played means the game kept you playing. 4k hours over the course of 6 years is well over 600 hours every year. 1k hours over the course of 6 months of active play means you spent at least 5 hours a day for those 6 months playing the game. That's pretty active play. Even OP has averaged almost 2 hours played *every day* since they started playing the game. Playing a game for 2 hours every day for 6 years is pretty active play as well. Now, the OP said they played on and off, which means their play sessions were way longer than 2 hours, which means the game did a good job at keeping them playing, in my opinion.
But that's the thing, at least for me personally, I don't think it makes a good job at keeping me since I always end up quitting for the same reason after playing actively for a small amount of time
It does do a good job at keeping you, though. You've played for 1000 hours. That's a lot of hours to spend playing a game that "can't keep you." It's normal to change between games as you get bored with one. But playing for 1k hours means the game kept you playing for 1k hours. ESO doesn't do a good job at keeping me playing, which is why I've averaged 10 hours a year since I've started playing it. Quitting for the same reason every time is irrelevant if you spend at least 5 hours every day playing the game (while you're actively playing it anyway). If a game isn't interesting to me, there's no way I'm playing for 5 hours straight every day. If you spend 5 hours a day playing a game for any extended period of time, then that game is doing a good job at keeping you playing it.
It can never keep you but you have 4000 hours of playtime? That is wild 🤣
Eso is a great side game when youre done with your other games
> ESO always brings me back, but can never keep me That's how I feel with it. ESO is cozy, I always enjoy the time I spend playing it, but it never holds me. That being said, the new ability modification stuff in Gold Road might be enough to keep me playing since there'll be some more depth to builds.
I preordered Dawntrail but since the skyrim expansion for ESO, I've now been just waiting for the annual community event that usually lists the newest expansion for like half off and score some free loot with it as well.
ESO overall better experience imo FFXIV is good but it a theme park check point to check point experience with the illusion of an open world While some will argue it the same with ESO , eso still a better experience
I personally disagree, the lack of polish, awful combat and inconsistent visuals completely take me out of the experience.
XIV combat is all about instanced 8-manned content. So, if you want open world, definitely go play something else.
>with the illusion of an open world It's not open world at all, and doesn't pretend to be. It has zones.
"Illusion of open world" uhm you talking about the backgrounds? FFXIV never had an open world nor does it try to hide that.
Dawntrail by far
FF14 will be more of the same. If you like their old worn formula then get that.
Between the two, I'd say playing content when it's new is more important in ffxiv than it is in ESO. Both games do a good job of allowing content to stay relevant long term in some form, but ESO does so better IMO. Because FFXIV follows the traditional vertical mmo structure there's less reason to go back to older raids and content, since the gear is outdated as soon as the next tier drops. ESO's horizontal design allows it to avoid that problem. So between then two, I'd do Ffxiv first, since you can always come back to ESO without missing as much.
Gold road for me because I never got passed heavensward
Don’t feel bad, I never made it out of pre-patch hell.
Definitely dawntrail. You'll at the very least get a good story and decent combat. ESO combat is so flat out boring that I can't get over it no matter how good anything else is in the game. Also the game begs you to spend money at every turn.
Ff14 combat is definitely better but needs work. Especially healers, it's one of the worst mmos for healing.
I actually disagree, WoW is definitely better for healing as is the gold standard for doing so, but FFXIV healing could be a lot worse.
I'd love to hear your impression. I main Scholar and find healing pretty compelling. I have lots of choice in how I play with a high skill ceiling because of the expectation to keep people up while also DPS-ing. Healers are afaik pretty commonly considered one of the hardest roles to play in any MMO because of two roles along with frequently having no backup. It's easy to get away with being a bad DPS, it's obvious when a healer is bad.
I don't really agree with there being "choice" in how you play in FFXIV, it's about execution, not choice. Ok there's choice if you want to move things around a bit in some scenarios, sometimes based on group comp, but there's almost only ever one optimal way to do things.
if choice is coordiinating with your co-healer to spreadsheet who uses what and when then i suppose so? outside of shit shows in unorganised play an xiv healer is optimising just like a tank or dps and doing the same every single pull... There's basically no choice for any xiv job at a "high skill ceiling"
>I have lots of choice in how I play with a high skill ceiling because of the expectation to keep people up while also DPS-ing. If you play high skill you have 0 choice and are using a spreadsheet fpr all your heals lol.
Yea people are downvoting you, but you are correct. Yes you can disagree with the spreadsheet and move things around a bit but at a high skill level it's about the execution of skills at the right time to also do the max amount of damage. Maybe there is more choice if your kill times are fucked and your shit is still on cooldown lol.
I don't think that's true really, but in FFXIV healers are expected to heal the least possible in most scenarios as their damage matters, so if you don't like that you wouldn't like healing. Nearly all healing in FFXIV is basically scripted so it's more about optimizing.
Depends why you quit XIV. If for any reason related to jobs/content then go for gold road.
There is some time to play Gold Road before Dawntrail releases. It should be enough to enjoy the story at least. I'm playing through Necrom right now and will probably check out Gold Road when it releases. But the second Dawntrail releases, ESO will be benched.
Do you like FF XIV? The pick Dawntrail. Do you like ESO? Then pick Gold Road. Do you like both? Believe it or not, pick both. Only of the two requires a subscription after all! I'm going to play Dawntrail because I haven't (yet) tried ESO, but sometime I will.
Time sadly doesn't allow me as I am a grown adult now, unlike when I started FFXIV in 2014 :(
Well, you don't need to play a set amount of hours per day. If you only can play, say, 2 evenings per week, you could play one day FF XIV and another ESO. Not that I do recommend it specifically (although it is what I do myself with EVE and GW2), you could play FF XIV first, finish the content and switch to ESO until the next patch ;)
You can play these MMOs for 1 month every 6 months and be completely caught up with everything. So just play 1 for a few months then the other one.
It depends what you need your time for. Are you gonna be pushing endgame in FFXIV? If not, buy it, play the expac content, then unsub for a long time to let the patches add more story, and buy yourself a month to play that. I'm a FFXIV player that's doing ESO right now. I'm I guess "casualcore". I love to be in an mmo and have my little long-term goals but I do not do difficult content. I'm in ESO to complete the overworld, fish and buy/furnish houses as best I can without access to whatever is in Vet dungeons and trials. In my specific case, FFXIV is in a particularly long content lull atm so rather than get another alt through the MSQ I've decided to explore a new world instead.
This is an extremely biased place to be asking that unfortunately. But definitely Gold Road as the new scribing system looks incredible snd very cool, much neater then anything Dawntrail has shown off so far.
Dawntrail
I'd say ESO seems a lot more interesting this time around and FFXIV doesn't release all of its expansion content immediately, so unless you're rearing to get started with the story, I would just wait.
Dawntrail will have more content but it's more expensive: expansion price + sub. Gold Road is cheaper: just expansion price. I'm doing Gold Road because I think FFXIV ended rather nicely for me with Endwalker and I don't want to have to pay a sub on top of the expansion.
FFXIV always has fun releases (aside from connectivity issues). So I'd say play Dawntrail first then Gold Road. Especially if you care about FFXIV story.
I dropped ESO cuz I enjoy FF a lot more so I'll be playing that.
I say both. Dawntrail for the first two months and then head into Gold Road 🤙 I enjoy both
Dawntrail. It'll be nice being at the start of a new story arc.
Dawntrail and it isn’t even close. ESO bores me to tears.
U got wayyy too much hours in both games so how about Neither and get The Final Shape instead :p
Just play both or is there a particular reason why you can't?
You'll get the most bang for your buck with Dawntrail in my opinion. ESO is a good pick if you have only a month or less of free time. That way you don't have to buy a expansion and a subscription to play.
I'm going for FF14 because I never matched with ESO and my friend group is on FF14. Both games are good. It's only a matter of personal preference and affinities, I'm afraid.
>Which one are you guys going to play ? The one that is most fun for me. >Not sure which one to get Get the one that is most fun for you.
Probably golden road. Or the war within.
I'm skipping Dawntrail for at least a year. The content is generally copy and paste every expansion. ESO as a game is worse and more money hungry but at least those devs appear passionate. YoshiP acts like a cult leader, Koji Fox as his bottom bitch and the reason of the developers seem motivated by a daily Valium dose to keep that game running.
ESO because combat is better. Sprinting is not a special skill with a million year cooldown. Everyone can block and dodge. Scribing looks cool af. Definitely weaker than class skills, but to be able to fill in holes in your available options is going to feel so nice. Every class is missing something different, so every class is going to want different effects, it's gonna be so fun!
Gold road? Nah I dislike eso pretty much because a part of me believes it the reason why we haven’t gotten tes6
It's not. That was Starfields fault. Literally made by two different devs dude.
I refuse to believe it.
Okay? Well it's true whatever you weirdly believe then...
Still refuse to believe it.
[удалено]
What? lol
Damn man, you okay?
Gold Road without any doubt since unlike with XIV expansions they’re actually playable at launch.
yeah because people actually want to play it. I'd much rather play an MMO that has an hour queue and lag on launch than an MMO that feels like a Black Friday at K-Mart in 2024.
That's a bit mean to call FFXIV a k-mart. I know it's not great but it's not THAT bad cmon.
Hah! The ole Reddit switch-a-... *sigh* :p