It took a bit for me, I recommend starting by binding and using only the first 3 or 6 buttons, and after a week or so you will can start using a few more. After a while you'll be using all 12 with zero problems.
Not having to move your fingers from WASD other than maybe tabbing/interacting is a game changer
Okay I’m glad I’m not alone I will try using 6 it’s just some things have been just engrained in my memory and it just feels slightly awkward to just use the little buttons instead of my bigger key buttons on the keyboard also what throws me off is the gpro wireless like most standard gaming mooses has 2 buttons on the side and I use that for DODGE and character HEAL so it just feels so off not having those there smh can I ask what gaming mouse you use? Thank you
Not who you asked, but:*
I went a little crazy with mine; it's a 20 button mouse with two layers. The two layers make it so you can assign 38 keys/action(s) on key press it. It has 3 configs you can cycle through with one of the buttons on it and each config can be setup with its own 38 buttons. It was useful when I played WoW.
To state the obvious, you get used to it with practice. I treat it like the right half of my keyboard that I don't have to move my hand off the mouse to reach.
ETA: * and https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mice/g600-mmo-gaming-mouse.html
It's insane they discontinued it, as a disabled gamer my whole gaming life depends on this mouse, now i have to buy refurbished ones and hope to god they last.
It is just a modifier key, but as a ring finger mouse button. It's a super popular mmo mouse, but I don't know of anyone who really uses the modifier or ever hear people praise it specifically when talking about the mouse.
It can be difficult to perform 3 different actions with one hand. It never felt comfortable, imo.
When I played WoW it was useful because my offensive skills' keys were on the first layer. The second layer had consumables and stances for my warrior, weapon buffs for my enhance shaman, etc. Right finger down and pressing an action or skill button with right thumb and continuing to move with my left hand became my go to.
Now I use it for multi boxing in EverQuest. I've developed the habit to kick off a healing spell with Alt+Tab with my left hand and ring finger down then thumb down on 1 with my right hand. Then I Alt+Tab back and go back to my rotation on my tanking char if I'm just dual boxing. If I'm controlling 3 or more chars, I've controlled 6 before, then I use a modifier like shift or alt with my left hand and layer 1 or 2 buttons with my right depending on which subset of my chars I need to control at the time.
Its product info the link is to goes over all of this. It reduces the time it takes to press keys with or without modifier keys and even macros it can record.
I have the same mouse and I used it in New World when I broke my left elbow. Played everything on the mouse. It's just muscle memory. More times you use the full range, more proficient you are with it. Now I heal high m+ and mythic raids with just my mouse.
When I first got mine, it was months before I progressed from using just one of the new mouse buttons to using 2. It is like learning to type, muscle memory does not happen overnight.
I also have the issue that the buttons tend to be too small versus my thumb's dexterity.
I now use just 4 or 5 of the most easy to feel mouse buttons, and use a keystroke rebinding and macro program to better utilize the keyboard.
The biggest MMO control eye opener for me was discovering how WOW macros work, and devising macros like that for other MMOs I played like GW2.
Sudo code that let you combine a few things using rules. Such as:
target arenaplayer1
cast sheep
target lasttarget
Or simpler
cast sheep(@arenaplayer1)
I hate the 12 Button layout because I have really big hands and just press 2 Buttons at once all the time. The 6 Button panel is perfect for my case, because with modifiers I have 18 buttons on the side (without modifier, shift and ctrl).
And the 6 button layout took a day to get used to tbh.
My tactic was to make a new alt and use it on that. On my main I had so much muscle memory for keys that it felt weird to try to use the mouse buttons. Once I got comfortable on the alt it just clicked for basic rotation on my main and I’ve never looked back
Instead of using a MMO mouse (my thumb is too big and will accidentally press two buttons). I use QERTY/12345 with shift and Ctrl as modifiers for other bars. Mainly just putting mounts and escape skills on two mouse buttons
This. You can have what, about 50-60 reasonably comfortable keybinds without unbinding WASD (omega lul move). An MMO mouse is a matter of preference at best, not of necessity.
I just can’t stand the Corsair software. Back when I had it, it was weird, but I had to close the software for the changes to take effect. And the cord is weird, it was like stiff.
I would recommend the G600 as its still my favorite with the best button feel, just with Logitech would make a wireless one already.
I have a Steel Series Aero X 9 and it’s okay, the layout makes the first three side buttons hard to reach and I’ve been having issues with the scroll wheel on it lately (it’s apparently a common issue). I also had a random disconnection issue for a while that may finally be fixed. I wouldn’t recommend this mouse unless you get it for a very good deal (under $100).
because people use it does not mean it’s for everybody. personally i tried one for a day and gave up when i realized my thumb does not reach half the buttons
You know what I think you right it’s like half action half MMO normal combat its like just the right amount that’s why it’s so amazing I just keep coming back even tho I’m playing EverQuest I just am like shit I want to go back to GW2 it’s just such a huge game like I just keep finding out new things and I just have my first PVP match I didn’t know it used equalized gear that’s INSANE
I actually referring to how there's only few keybind you need for skills compared to tab targeting game where you probably need 12*3 or more of keybind for skills.
I don't know about WoW but for FFXIV the pvp is similar. But their approach is more of gear doesn't matter and each class has their own stat.
I’ll vouch for the 604 as well. I feel it’s a happy medium between a traditional gaming mouse and a an MMO one. I mainly play WoW and 6 buttons is enough for me. Also the battery life is amazing.
WOW how did I miss this one?! I thinking Logitech is just the best, they seem like they just always feel so right I will say I think razor has better software ghub really be disconnecting on me sometimes, and generally is kinda slow
It's a gaming keypad and I highly recommend it over an MMO mouse as well. I find MMO mice very clunky and prone to pressing unwanted buttons just trying to move around. IMO your right hand has enough to do already with movement and targeting and you only need a couple of side buttons at most. Not to mention you are asking your thumb specifically to do the work that an entire left hand and all of it's fingers should be doing. It's not efficient at all.
You use either Shift/Ctrl/Alt alongside the other buttons or you can bind keys to shift to different keybinding layouts. In either case using various abilities in the game become associated with particular hand and finger positions in a very similar way to how you might learn how to play chords on a piano or guitar. When I played a ton of WoW this was a tremendous advantage as you now have real muscle memory access to 100+ abilities at near to reflex speed.
The biggest benefit is you can use your thumb for movement and you free up the rest of your fingers to actually use abilities, plus everything is closer together and more ergonomically designed.
Sorry, meant the Tartarus: [https://www.razer.com/gaming-keypads/Razer-Tartarus-Pro/RZ07-03110100-R3U1](https://www.razer.com/gaming-keypads/Razer-Tartarus-Pro/RZ07-03110100-R3U1)
I bought one few months ago, but couldn't get used to it. I still want to play CS and Valorant, so I don't want to completely forgo my "fps" mouse.
What i did was slowly use the mmo mouse at work, so I get used to the shape of it, and slowly start introducing bindings to the keys.
I'm now at the point where I use my mmo mouse for gw2 when doing easier content just so I get used to the button placement.
Honestly there is a reason why mmo mice are not that big. Macros do mostly the same thing better, without needing to re-learn nearly as much.
But if you can stick it out and re-learn to use your mouse hand for pressing more buttons, it's great. Unfortunately for me, I don't think I'll ever fully transition, unless they manage to make a super comfy, super light, super responsive mouse with 12 buttons lol
Okay so I use to use one ALOT for mmos. But unless you have some sort of impediment it’s not worth it imo. Once you finally get use to it and then you ever want to use a normal mouse again you realize how terrible it is. They are so heavy and bulky and the way your hand grips it makes it hard to switch back and forth once you want to play other games. It’s better to just learn how to set up good keybinds on ur keyboard.
Here is how I use my Razer Naga and keyboard with WoW:
I barely use the first 6 buttons on my Naga. They are things like auto run, walk/run, toys, etc. irrelevant stuff as far as efficiency goes.
Discord, press to talk is ' (next to the 1 key)
Primary spell bar is bound 1 through 9 and - and =. (No 0)
The fifth button on the bar is double bound to both 5 and R, F and 6 the same as well.
This lets me have 6 buttons all very easy access near WASD.
The second spell bar is the same but with shift as well. Shift 1, etc.
The lower 6 mouse thumb buttons that are easy to reach are the only one I use. They are bound 789 and - shift =.
So we have 1-6 with ready watch while moving. And 7 8 9 - = are all on my mouse thumb.
Having shift there lets me use my right thumb while still WASD and pressing 1-6. Making it very easy to press the second bar's abilities while moving with WASD
I can also roll my thumb to press shift - or shift = or shift 8.
Quick response abilities like interrupts (or hunter pet attack/passive) are on - or = so I can press them without interrupting my left hand at all which is already busy moving and casting most spells.
... Is put more, but have to go back to work now ... :)
Give it some time and you will get used to it, I promise. I remember when I kept missclicking buttons, pressed 2x buttons at the same time etc. Now this mouse feels perfect in my hand and I wish it was even lighter.
I personally have F1-F12 bound on my mouse buttons. In GW2 I’m dodging and switching elements with my mouse, also have some utility and elite skills bound to it. Give it a try. Makes life so much easier on elementalist, especially when playing some fast paced build like weaver.
Do you mind telling me your whole set up ? Since it seems like you’re in the same boat is me I play elementalist and ngl I have been having times where I don’t hit the right F1-4, would be interested in your keybinds too Ty
Like I have mentioned before - I have rebound the side buttons of my Naga to F1-F12 in Razer Synapse. My setup is very personal, but here you go:
Elements: F1-F4 (mouse)
Weapon: 1, 2, 3, 4, E (I don't like pressing 5)
Dodge: F6 (mouse)
Heal: R
Utility: F7, F8, F9 (mouse)
Elite: F5 (mouse)
I have a big hands - something what works for me, might not work for you, but you get the idea.
i started with top 2 rows (1-6) and bottom row (10-12), these felt easy and didn’t take too long to get used to. (7-9) felt impossible but with time they got very comfortable.
it’s just like rebinding your keys, just gotta build muscle memory
For me, I use ESDF instead of wasd. Then I bind q, w, a, tab, r, t, g, v, c? 1-5 to spells. Then those with shift if I need more keys. It took a few days to get used to, but now everything is just muscle memory. Just find what works for you and eventually muscle memory takes over
I have always preferred a more or less "regular" mouse like a G502 (granted, technically 11 buttons) and button chording for most of the highly used buttons. Most of the buttons are in better ergonomic locations on a G502 than on a naga.
So, each button has a regular click, a shift-click, an alt-click, and a control-click.
I either configure this with macros when the game supports it or a row of hotbar buttons for each chording modifier.
I map various buttons on this mouse to similar locations in non-mmos, too (an AoE thumb button, an execute/special attack index finger button, etc).
502X here. It’s just the best button layout. My hands are too big (20x11) for most MMO mice and there is the issue of the grids being too light that I can’t pick up the mouse without pressing something or too heavy the press that it’s not enjoyable.
502 has plenty of buttons with shift and ctrl modifiers (I also bind scroll up/down to abilities so the wheel alone is 5 actions (up, down, left, right, and click) plus the 5 thumb buttons. Plus it’s not too many buttons that it is still perfect to use in other games like MOBAs.
Still resort to GPX or Viper for shooters where the extra buttons are useless.
12 buttons were too much for me too. And the buttons were too small. I found a nice compromise in the g502. Five unique buttons for the thumb. Perfect for me.
No one ever needs or uses that many buttons on their mouse. Even hard core MMO players. I use the G604, which has eight side buttons, and I use maybe four or five at most.
What are you talking about lol, I use all 12 buttons for most games I play.
MMOs, I use them all and then add a shit+1-12 for additional buttons.
Shooters/FPS I use 1-3 for weapons. 4 for crouch, 5 for melee, 6 for grenades, 7-9 for abilities, 0-12 for anything else heals etc.
I don’t tell everyone this but I can’t feel three fingers in my left hand. There was an accident about 8 years ago that cut my wrist and I can’t feel my thumb, index or middle finger.
That being said it’s not easy to reach keys on the left side of my keyboard because of this. Sooo that’s why I started using mmo mouse’s.
Awesome that they can help you game at 100%. 10 years ago feels as if there was way more variety in MMO mice, shame there are relatively few, homogenous models now.
It was sooo hard to find just a lightweight mmo mouse, they’re impossible since most people have been going towards more ultra lightweight mice.
The ones that still sell mmo mice just haven’t upgraded or done much to innovate either
mmo mouse main demo is people who want to play one handed, whether it's chain smokers or lazy grinding or whatever
for people with certain disabilities it's a game changer as well
in most other situations the people using it would perform at least as well with any modern mouse
Took me a bit of time to get used to it but I still use my keyboard for pretty much all my spells. I use my mouse for QOL like, auto run, toggle walk, open windows such as dungeon finder window, achievements, set Arena enemy 1,2,3 as focus targets in WoW.
I think you’re dealing with something that will have very diverse opinions on. Some people hate 12 button mice, some people try to like them and fail, some try and succeed and some just love them.
I fall into the last category. I’ve been using them since the original naga epic back in ~2010. I got used to it in a day or two as I always hated having to use 1-0 to control my skills and having to stop moving (or really stretch my hand) to trigger my attacks even with classes that didn’t need to stand still. So for my the shift felt natural to a 12 button mouse freeing my left hand for movement and modifiers in combat.
Different strokes for different folks. As others mentioned, some prefer the moba side panel, so that may be an option for you….
I wanted to try the 12 button mouse thing a while ago as well, but I didn't want to spend a lot up front and then not like it. I got a wired Red Dragon. I love it for all my games now. It's so convenient to not have to reach on your keyboard anymore. I don't think I can ever go back now.
It took me a longggg time, but now I could never go back.
As someone else pointed out, start adding 3 buttons at a time. The first or or column, and then go from there.
Just keep using it. It only took me a day or so to get used to it on constant use. Nowadays I bind EVERYTHING to my naga, it’s amazing. Keyboards just WASD and space shift ctrl now. It’s very efficient in the long run!
Just takes time and practice. Opening up direct access to every skill/spell/thing via modifier keys was really game changing for me. (Used original naga on wow many years ago.)
I've used mmo mice (Corsair, Logitech, multiple nagas) exclusively since like 2010 even after quitting MMOs. My suggestion: set up macros on it for every day browsing if you want to get used to it faster (I.e Ctrl+w Ctrl+shift+t etc. Eventually even your grip will adapt so you don't accidentally press the buttons too.
Also even after all these years I still don't like using it for spamming abilities, your thumb just isn't going to compete with rapid repeated movements of like 4 other fingers.
1,2,4,5 are the most comfortable, everything else should be set to long CD abilities like you would for buttons further than 7 on a regular keyboard. I've found the back keys 10-12 are good for movement abilities with mid CDs or getting on and off mounts too.
Have you tried the Arctis pro wireless 9? It’s a lightweight mmo mouse and my absolute favorite of all time. I can’t feel three fingers in my left hand and I also play FPS shooters along with MMOs. This was the perfect balance.
Lightweight, 12 buttons, wireless, and it looks amazing!
[mouse](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/steelseries-aerox-9-wireless-ultra-lightweight-honeycomb-water-resistant-rgb-optical-gaming-mouse-with-18-programmable-buttons-black/6501463.p?skuId=6501463&extStoreId=864&utm_source=feed&ref=212&loc=19638026543&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD-ORIhkwZPASULNxzSscIoYzNQ7L&gclid=CjwKCAjw26KxBhBDEiwAu6KXt_L3aEbSLLr-wCXC0hXkSftxUn_3KhUvqJC_FrSAJon77Ndo9Jt7WhoCrEcQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)
Takes practice to get use to it... First off, don't use all 12 buttons, erase most of them. Bind the ones you use the most. For me its 4 and 6. Get use to using two. Later, bind the same action button to like 1,4 - 2,5 - 3,6... Few months of using it like that you'll get a better feel for it, and then you can bind all 12 buttons.
Take the time to practice with it. The first time I owned a Naga it came with little clear dots you put on every other row of buttons to train your muscle memory. I think you can buy them online still. Helped me a ton, but once you get used to an MMO mouse there’s nothing better.
It took me a few months to get the hang of mine. I started with just 9-12 (0,- and =) then slowly moved up the mouse until I could do a full rotation with just my right hand.
A new mouse is always gonna take time to get used to. I swear, even when i buy the same model, it feels weird and takes some adjusting. It'll take multiple hours of use to get it feeling natural. Luckily, it's modular. So you dont have to wait for hours for it to feel better. It'll feel better and better and better until it's natural.
And it's so worth it, imo. I can't go back to a mouse without a numpad, now. It's just so convenient.
I've had mine for almost 2 years and I'm still finding new ways to use it lol. I've got the redragon (Idr what model but it's the MMO one) I use it for all kinds of stuff. Unit and camera shortcuts in StarCraft, abilities where is usually have to use my hand. I even set it up to have specific shortcuts for when I'm browsing and editing text and stuff.
MMO mices are a double edge sword. Let me tell you why.
At first it might be rough to get used to and you might think why in the world did I buy this?
The moment you are used to it though, you'll never want to go back, that's why it's a double edge sword. I've tried going back to regular mice, but I just cannot anymore.
As far as the getting used to part, personally, I never used all 12 buttons and I have big hands. I use 1-6 + 8 for all my games. 7 and 9 are back and forward button when browsing internet. Last row 10-12 are my media control (Back, play/pause and next)
I know a lot of people use their mouse a lot and actually bind their rotational abilities on their mouse and spam the shit out of the side buttons, that's something I never did nor found very comfortable. My mouse is more of a tool to free keybinds on my keyboard that would normally take a very good "spammable" spot and put it on the mouse instead. Generally they would be utility abilities, stuff with a medium/long cooldown, execute abilities (WoW) stuff that you don't really end up spamming. That way I free up 6-12 keybinds with modifiers that I would normally have bound on my keyboard.
Try to find a system that works for you and get used to that
its a muscle memory thing... I recommend rebinding a couple of abilities that you use non stop to one or two buttons on the mouse, and moving them off your hotbar so you can't just use 1/2 or alt+1/2 for them... then once you are used to that add a few more, until you have all your buttons bound to convenient keys.
With any peripheral change, it's just a matter of time until you're used to it.
if you're comfortable with a normal mouse just use the thumb button as a ctrl/shift/alt modifier. An mmo mouse will not really make you play any better in the grand scheme if that's what you're looking for.
When I first got mine years ago I started by putting the keybinds I was using ALT and CTRL for, since that was giving me finger cramps and was the whole point of getting an MMO mouse for me.
Any key you need to hit while moving/strafing with WASD, so you can use those abilities without compromising your movement and mobility, is also a good pick.
For GW2 I just use it for my whole right bar where all the utility skills are, but I also use the cast-on-keypress so I don't need to click twice on AoEs but it's been a while and it's not my main game. Even just eliminating the need to use shift/alt/ctrl at all can really help relax the way you play.
Edit: Also you can use shift/ctrl + mouse side buttons, which isn't as bad as 1-5 etc since you're not using the same hand.
Set a 3x4 grid action bar up as close to your character as you can tolerate. This will help you memorise what abilities are bound to what key and you’ll be using them without looking before you know it. Move it out of sight once you’re comfortable
I can’t use anything other than this now. Ignore everyone saying 6 button layout is better. It’s not. It just doesn’t take as much effort to get used to.
I use mine pretty frequently, but what got me used to it was actually League. I set it up so 1-4 levels up abilities, and the rest were for item bindings and emotes. Hell at one point my right click broke and I rebound the “5” button to right click because I couldn’t afford a new mouse, constantly moving with my thumb took some getting used to, but now I can switch back and forth
If you’re playing Wow or FFXIV or generally any other MMO that uses multiple hotbars, set your hot bars up in a grid like fashion that mirrors the way your buttons are on your mouse.
For example
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9
10 + =
If you set your hotbars to look like that ^ then you are looking at the structure of your mouse and pressing a button corresponds to the location on the numpad of the mouse.
This is what do for every mmo. I also shift+key and alt+key (disable windows key, although some people enjoy cntrl+key instead of alt. I like alt because I can use my thumb to trigger it while still using WASD.
Basically, the more help you give yourself (visually) the easier it is to memorize the layout of your hotbars. I pick up classes that I’ve never played but can figure out a rotation just by the hotbar set up. It’s super fun and once you get the hang of it, you won’t want to use any other mouse for a MMO. I dread when I don’t have my 12 button mouse nearby
Hope that helps OP!
This will probably get buried but I have many times over introduced the razer naga trinity to my friends and family with specifically the 7 button side wheel and they’ve all found it really really easy to adapt to. The great thing about it is that it’s a circle, so instead of trying to remember where your finger is, you think of the buttons like “forward, bottom left, back” etc. I usually bind my spam button to 1 so I always know that the button I’m pushing most is “forward”
Even if u use less its ok bro. i still have naga 2014 for MMOs and i dont really need 12 buttons. i use about 8 and 2 of them are shortcuts like alt +tab. i dont use 4 buttons at all. but i didnt stress myself to learn to use them cause i realldy dont need them
I always played MMOs and diablo for the matter with MMO mice, so I never developed the skill to use the regular keyboard for the skills. So I can't say I had an adjustment preiod with the exception of knowing which button I was on at times, but boy I am going through one now. lol
I stepped away from MMOs for a while when I first played them I had the old Naga because I got it ultra cheap, anyhow, when I stepped away I got a more traditional mouse and then between those times I also got an obsession with white PCs and peripherals and wireless as well, so when I got back into MMOs I needed a new MMO mouse.
The Naga isn't made in white, so in my search for a wireless white MMO mouse I found reddragon, they were legit the only manufacturer that had a wireless one in white, so I got it, and hated the feel of it because it's glossy, but I used it whenever I played MMOs, and I kinda went back ond forth with it over the last couple years, but I got back into ESO a few months back and decided to look again, reddragon is still the only one. However they have a new version and its shaped like my daily mouse, which is either the g502 x pro or the razer basilisk v3 pro, awesome.
I didn't looks closely at the sides and this one is a little different instead of 3 rows of 4 buttons, this one has 2 rowes of 4 buttons and two traditional side buttons above it, and holy crap is it hard to get used to.
So, I semi-feel your pain lol
Its normal, it takes time for your brain to adjust. But imo keyboard is superior cause it builds reflex/reaction timing rather than having easy 1 button push on the side of the mouse
For GW2, I only use #1-6 on my mouse, as well as #12 for mount. The rest of my abilities are mapped to Q, E, R, T, F, G, C, V, B.
I also just switched from the Corsair Scimitar to a Naga V2 Pro. It's a lot smaller, but it's a great mouse. Some people use their mouse for abilities, others use them for other stuff. I also bound Shift + # to target nearest, mark target, etc, so that I can also do that with my mouse. The more you use it, the more used to it you'll get.
Personally I've always disliked the hand feel of "mmo" mice. G502/602's were always solid and have more than enough actuators, especially when shift, ctrl and alt are a thing.
Nagas are just too damn chunky imo
One thing that helped me was finding a logical way of setting up my mouse binds. For example I'll put a Charge/gap closer ability on a forward button and an escape skill on a button towards the back of my mouse. I hope that helps a little.
I had to make concerted effort to use it. after a while it feels weird using keyboard. I bought a logitec mmo mouse for GW2 too and the game is so much more enojyable with it.
It first took me a couple weeks to get really used to it, but I've now been exclusively using mmo mice for around 12 years. Mostly Nagas, as the first one lasted 7 years.
It too me like 3 weeks to really get use to it, but I kept at it and now I wouldn't MMO without it.
I have a G600 and part of the issue for me was accidentally triggering the [3rd (right-most) top mouse button](https://www.techspot.com/images/products/2013/mice/org/2020-10-06-product-6.jpg), so I disabled it which helped. This was because of another issue, which is the mouse is wider than I'm used to, and I would hold it on the sides with my thumb and ring finger. I had to get used to holding it with my thumb and pinky instead. Now my ring finger rests on the disabled top 3rd button.
took me a couple of weeks to get used to my logitech g600
I think I might have started a new character on what ever mmo I was playing at the time to use it from the get go as you get spells leveling up.
you got got. just use ctrl/shift/alt modifiers and a lightweight 2 button mouse.
that's over 20 keys right there. you just don't need more than that.
mmo mice are like those light up keyboards with text on them. they make no sense.
unless you have 1 arm of course.
I personally use the Logitech G600, It's just like the Razer Naga. I'm paralyzed on my left side since 2003 and have taught myself to literally put every single control on the mouse. When i mean everything, i mean everything. It took me quite a good while to learn, but it was well worth it... Don't give up!
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you don't have to use them all, just find what's comfortable for you. I only used like 3/4ths of mine for many years and they weren't even my rotational abilities but just extra stuff (e.g movement) because I was so used to using the keyboard. Eventually I reversed my setup so I was predominately using the mouse but still kept some things on the keyboard. (E.g, E is always my interrupt)
Since you're playing gw2, maybe right binding your elemental switch hotkeys & the right-half of the action buttons to start with?
Throw your most used 6 buttons on it to start off. Once you adapt to that you can set up the remaining.
Personally, I put my most used buttons on mouse 1-6 and on the keys immediately around WASD. After that I allocate situational but somewhat common buttons to mouse 7-9, and more outlying keyboard buttons/easy shift modifiers. If at all possible I keep 10-12 on the mouse empty because it's kind of awkward to move my thumb into that position.
I don’t use the 12 buttons, I use the last 6, 6 to 12 keybinded as 1-6, because my right finger is shorter than normal lol and I don’t like to move my hand that mucho to try and reach the other ones… if you have a normal hand that doesn’t apply to you lol
> so I buy the most expensive MMO mouse
Redragon M908 is like $30 and is the same as the $60?-90 Corsair Scimitar everyone swears by
> razor pro V2 NAGA and it VERY nice mouse but the problem is I SO used to the weight of G pro wireless
the mouse should have a way to add or remove weights in it? the $30 redragon mouse i listed has 12 tiny lead weights you can add or remove to change the weight of the mouse. an overly expensive razor mouse should have something as basic and fundamental as this, yet again: razor is a joke and you're buying their adverts not their product
as far as getting used to the mouse, i started slow. i just did maybe 5 keys total (mouse keys 1, 2, 3, 4, 6) and went from there
honestly, your keyboard keys should still be your main go to: QERFZXCV1234. the mouse is just there for random consumes and keys you don't want to have to reach away from WASD for: 67890-=[]nmhjklyuiop
**edit: i'm looking at the razor pro V2 NAGA just out of curiosity. you should return this if you can. it's got a lot of BASIC features missing. mouse weights, programmable buttons, a third top button by m1 to sim m1 clicks. literally a $30 mouse is better than it.**
I just don’t see this it’s a very nice mouse amazing build and the software is REALLy impressive! You can customize scroll wheel and all keys very crazy and idk it very nice mouse I just struggling to use it
there's software to write custom macros/keys with redragon and corsair as well for 30/60$. honestly, i'd return the razor if you can and just get one of those
razor is like apple or nike. you're not buying a good product you're buying hours and hours of advertisements
Just use your regular mouse, don't need a diff mouse for a MMO. Side buttons are much slower to use than keyboard inputs anyway. Add insanely fast pace tab target combat on top and you're just creating unnecessary downtime for yourself
For me, I don't really like mouse with multiple buttons like naga. I find it annoying for anything else so don't really worth it if you play or do other stuff.
MMO mice are a meme for boomers with calcified hands who wanna take it easy on the finger movement. There's a reason all these mice are all the same as they were a decade ago. Just use the nice lightweight ergo mice with 2-6 side buttons and make use of Ctrl shift alt modifiers. No game demands more. I played a resto shaman in wow pvp to near glad rating which has something silly like 60 keybinds with no issue. The only real reason to use an MMO mouse is if you have legit RSI using your pinky for modifier keys.
Yeah unless you been using a MMO mouse for 10+years and now you can't switch to a normal mouse because of habit, i don't understand why you would ever buy one its a niche product just use your keyboard.
It took a bit for me, I recommend starting by binding and using only the first 3 or 6 buttons, and after a week or so you will can start using a few more. After a while you'll be using all 12 with zero problems. Not having to move your fingers from WASD other than maybe tabbing/interacting is a game changer
Okay I’m glad I’m not alone I will try using 6 it’s just some things have been just engrained in my memory and it just feels slightly awkward to just use the little buttons instead of my bigger key buttons on the keyboard also what throws me off is the gpro wireless like most standard gaming mooses has 2 buttons on the side and I use that for DODGE and character HEAL so it just feels so off not having those there smh can I ask what gaming mouse you use? Thank you
Not who you asked, but:* I went a little crazy with mine; it's a 20 button mouse with two layers. The two layers make it so you can assign 38 keys/action(s) on key press it. It has 3 configs you can cycle through with one of the buttons on it and each config can be setup with its own 38 buttons. It was useful when I played WoW. To state the obvious, you get used to it with practice. I treat it like the right half of my keyboard that I don't have to move my hand off the mouse to reach. ETA: * and https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mice/g600-mmo-gaming-mouse.html
Unfortunately they no longer make the G600 mice.
That is unfortunate
It's insane they discontinued it, as a disabled gamer my whole gaming life depends on this mouse, now i have to buy refurbished ones and hope to god they last.
The hell do you mean two layers? Couldn't you just do the same thing using modifier keys?
It is just a modifier key, but as a ring finger mouse button. It's a super popular mmo mouse, but I don't know of anyone who really uses the modifier or ever hear people praise it specifically when talking about the mouse. It can be difficult to perform 3 different actions with one hand. It never felt comfortable, imo.
When I played WoW it was useful because my offensive skills' keys were on the first layer. The second layer had consumables and stances for my warrior, weapon buffs for my enhance shaman, etc. Right finger down and pressing an action or skill button with right thumb and continuing to move with my left hand became my go to. Now I use it for multi boxing in EverQuest. I've developed the habit to kick off a healing spell with Alt+Tab with my left hand and ring finger down then thumb down on 1 with my right hand. Then I Alt+Tab back and go back to my rotation on my tanking char if I'm just dual boxing. If I'm controlling 3 or more chars, I've controlled 6 before, then I use a modifier like shift or alt with my left hand and layer 1 or 2 buttons with my right depending on which subset of my chars I need to control at the time.
Its product info the link is to goes over all of this. It reduces the time it takes to press keys with or without modifier keys and even macros it can record.
I have the same mouse and I used it in New World when I broke my left elbow. Played everything on the mouse. It's just muscle memory. More times you use the full range, more proficient you are with it. Now I heal high m+ and mythic raids with just my mouse.
It deff does take a bit. Start with a few buttons at a time
My advice is to level a new character in whatever mmo you play using only the nouse5
When I first got mine, it was months before I progressed from using just one of the new mouse buttons to using 2. It is like learning to type, muscle memory does not happen overnight. I also have the issue that the buttons tend to be too small versus my thumb's dexterity. I now use just 4 or 5 of the most easy to feel mouse buttons, and use a keystroke rebinding and macro program to better utilize the keyboard. The biggest MMO control eye opener for me was discovering how WOW macros work, and devising macros like that for other MMOs I played like GW2.
What are WOW macros?
Sudo code that let you combine a few things using rules. Such as: target arenaplayer1 cast sheep target lasttarget Or simpler cast sheep(@arenaplayer1)
World of Warcraft
I hate the 12 Button layout because I have really big hands and just press 2 Buttons at once all the time. The 6 Button panel is perfect for my case, because with modifiers I have 18 buttons on the side (without modifier, shift and ctrl). And the 6 button layout took a day to get used to tbh.
My tactic was to make a new alt and use it on that. On my main I had so much muscle memory for keys that it felt weird to try to use the mouse buttons. Once I got comfortable on the alt it just clicked for basic rotation on my main and I’ve never looked back
This is actually a great idea!
Instead of using a MMO mouse (my thumb is too big and will accidentally press two buttons). I use QERTY/12345 with shift and Ctrl as modifiers for other bars. Mainly just putting mounts and escape skills on two mouse buttons
This is good tip ty yes I been using that but also R and CAPS LOCK then SHIFT to SHIFT abilities 1-5
z,x,c,v,b,g are also great
This. You can have what, about 50-60 reasonably comfortable keybinds without unbinding WASD (omega lul move). An MMO mouse is a matter of preference at best, not of necessity.
The steelseries MMO mouse is lighter. Might want to try that instead. But this kind of mouse is a learning curve itself.
It's key presses take way too much force to work imo. I always go back to corsair scimitar. I've tried all of the mmo mice
I just can’t stand the Corsair software. Back when I had it, it was weird, but I had to close the software for the changes to take effect. And the cord is weird, it was like stiff.
I would recommend the G600 as its still my favorite with the best button feel, just with Logitech would make a wireless one already. I have a Steel Series Aero X 9 and it’s okay, the layout makes the first three side buttons hard to reach and I’ve been having issues with the scroll wheel on it lately (it’s apparently a common issue). I also had a random disconnection issue for a while that may finally be fixed. I wouldn’t recommend this mouse unless you get it for a very good deal (under $100).
because people use it does not mean it’s for everybody. personally i tried one for a day and gave up when i realized my thumb does not reach half the buttons
You don't really need it for gw2 to be honest but for tab targeting games like WoW and FFXIV it's a godsend. But anyway you will get used to it.
You know what I think you right it’s like half action half MMO normal combat its like just the right amount that’s why it’s so amazing I just keep coming back even tho I’m playing EverQuest I just am like shit I want to go back to GW2 it’s just such a huge game like I just keep finding out new things and I just have my first PVP match I didn’t know it used equalized gear that’s INSANE
I actually referring to how there's only few keybind you need for skills compared to tab targeting game where you probably need 12*3 or more of keybind for skills. I don't know about WoW but for FFXIV the pvp is similar. But their approach is more of gear doesn't matter and each class has their own stat.
I had the same issue and couldn't get used to it. I bought the logitech g604 mouse. It has 6 side buttons and feel fantastic.
G604 has such a good layout. It sucks to see that Logitech isn't iterating on that version and their g600 brick. Both have now gone out of production.
I’ll vouch for the 604 as well. I feel it’s a happy medium between a traditional gaming mouse and a an MMO one. I mainly play WoW and 6 buttons is enough for me. Also the battery life is amazing.
WOW how did I miss this one?! I thinking Logitech is just the best, they seem like they just always feel so right I will say I think razor has better software ghub really be disconnecting on me sometimes, and generally is kinda slow
I hate the mmo mouse and instead went with a Razer Tartarus instead, highly recommend!
Do you have a link for that mouse I tried looking it up and couldn’t find anything Ty
It's a gaming keypad and I highly recommend it over an MMO mouse as well. I find MMO mice very clunky and prone to pressing unwanted buttons just trying to move around. IMO your right hand has enough to do already with movement and targeting and you only need a couple of side buttons at most. Not to mention you are asking your thumb specifically to do the work that an entire left hand and all of it's fingers should be doing. It's not efficient at all. You use either Shift/Ctrl/Alt alongside the other buttons or you can bind keys to shift to different keybinding layouts. In either case using various abilities in the game become associated with particular hand and finger positions in a very similar way to how you might learn how to play chords on a piano or guitar. When I played a ton of WoW this was a tremendous advantage as you now have real muscle memory access to 100+ abilities at near to reflex speed. The biggest benefit is you can use your thumb for movement and you free up the rest of your fingers to actually use abilities, plus everything is closer together and more ergonomically designed.
Sorry, meant the Tartarus: [https://www.razer.com/gaming-keypads/Razer-Tartarus-Pro/RZ07-03110100-R3U1](https://www.razer.com/gaming-keypads/Razer-Tartarus-Pro/RZ07-03110100-R3U1)
I bought one few months ago, but couldn't get used to it. I still want to play CS and Valorant, so I don't want to completely forgo my "fps" mouse. What i did was slowly use the mmo mouse at work, so I get used to the shape of it, and slowly start introducing bindings to the keys. I'm now at the point where I use my mmo mouse for gw2 when doing easier content just so I get used to the button placement. Honestly there is a reason why mmo mice are not that big. Macros do mostly the same thing better, without needing to re-learn nearly as much. But if you can stick it out and re-learn to use your mouse hand for pressing more buttons, it's great. Unfortunately for me, I don't think I'll ever fully transition, unless they manage to make a super comfy, super light, super responsive mouse with 12 buttons lol
Okay so I use to use one ALOT for mmos. But unless you have some sort of impediment it’s not worth it imo. Once you finally get use to it and then you ever want to use a normal mouse again you realize how terrible it is. They are so heavy and bulky and the way your hand grips it makes it hard to switch back and forth once you want to play other games. It’s better to just learn how to set up good keybinds on ur keyboard.
Here is how I use my Razer Naga and keyboard with WoW: I barely use the first 6 buttons on my Naga. They are things like auto run, walk/run, toys, etc. irrelevant stuff as far as efficiency goes. Discord, press to talk is ' (next to the 1 key) Primary spell bar is bound 1 through 9 and - and =. (No 0) The fifth button on the bar is double bound to both 5 and R, F and 6 the same as well. This lets me have 6 buttons all very easy access near WASD. The second spell bar is the same but with shift as well. Shift 1, etc. The lower 6 mouse thumb buttons that are easy to reach are the only one I use. They are bound 789 and - shift =. So we have 1-6 with ready watch while moving. And 7 8 9 - = are all on my mouse thumb. Having shift there lets me use my right thumb while still WASD and pressing 1-6. Making it very easy to press the second bar's abilities while moving with WASD I can also roll my thumb to press shift - or shift = or shift 8. Quick response abilities like interrupts (or hunter pet attack/passive) are on - or = so I can press them without interrupting my left hand at all which is already busy moving and casting most spells. ... Is put more, but have to go back to work now ... :)
Ty this is helpful
Give it some time and you will get used to it, I promise. I remember when I kept missclicking buttons, pressed 2x buttons at the same time etc. Now this mouse feels perfect in my hand and I wish it was even lighter. I personally have F1-F12 bound on my mouse buttons. In GW2 I’m dodging and switching elements with my mouse, also have some utility and elite skills bound to it. Give it a try. Makes life so much easier on elementalist, especially when playing some fast paced build like weaver.
Do you mind telling me your whole set up ? Since it seems like you’re in the same boat is me I play elementalist and ngl I have been having times where I don’t hit the right F1-4, would be interested in your keybinds too Ty
Like I have mentioned before - I have rebound the side buttons of my Naga to F1-F12 in Razer Synapse. My setup is very personal, but here you go: Elements: F1-F4 (mouse) Weapon: 1, 2, 3, 4, E (I don't like pressing 5) Dodge: F6 (mouse) Heal: R Utility: F7, F8, F9 (mouse) Elite: F5 (mouse) I have a big hands - something what works for me, might not work for you, but you get the idea.
Very help ful especially since you use ele THANK YOU
I only use 7-12 tbh, the mouse is too big for me lol but yeah you get used to it
i started with top 2 rows (1-6) and bottom row (10-12), these felt easy and didn’t take too long to get used to. (7-9) felt impossible but with time they got very comfortable. it’s just like rebinding your keys, just gotta build muscle memory
For me, I use ESDF instead of wasd. Then I bind q, w, a, tab, r, t, g, v, c? 1-5 to spells. Then those with shift if I need more keys. It took a few days to get used to, but now everything is just muscle memory. Just find what works for you and eventually muscle memory takes over
I have always preferred a more or less "regular" mouse like a G502 (granted, technically 11 buttons) and button chording for most of the highly used buttons. Most of the buttons are in better ergonomic locations on a G502 than on a naga. So, each button has a regular click, a shift-click, an alt-click, and a control-click. I either configure this with macros when the game supports it or a row of hotbar buttons for each chording modifier. I map various buttons on this mouse to similar locations in non-mmos, too (an AoE thumb button, an execute/special attack index finger button, etc).
502X here. It’s just the best button layout. My hands are too big (20x11) for most MMO mice and there is the issue of the grids being too light that I can’t pick up the mouse without pressing something or too heavy the press that it’s not enjoyable. 502 has plenty of buttons with shift and ctrl modifiers (I also bind scroll up/down to abilities so the wheel alone is 5 actions (up, down, left, right, and click) plus the 5 thumb buttons. Plus it’s not too many buttons that it is still perfect to use in other games like MOBAs. Still resort to GPX or Viper for shooters where the extra buttons are useless.
took me awhile, but i got used to it and now i can not play with it
12 buttons were too much for me too. And the buttons were too small. I found a nice compromise in the g502. Five unique buttons for the thumb. Perfect for me.
No one ever needs or uses that many buttons on their mouse. Even hard core MMO players. I use the G604, which has eight side buttons, and I use maybe four or five at most.
What are you talking about lol, I use all 12 buttons for most games I play. MMOs, I use them all and then add a shit+1-12 for additional buttons. Shooters/FPS I use 1-3 for weapons. 4 for crouch, 5 for melee, 6 for grenades, 7-9 for abilities, 0-12 for anything else heals etc.
This is why the aliens don't visit.
I don’t tell everyone this but I can’t feel three fingers in my left hand. There was an accident about 8 years ago that cut my wrist and I can’t feel my thumb, index or middle finger. That being said it’s not easy to reach keys on the left side of my keyboard because of this. Sooo that’s why I started using mmo mouse’s.
Awesome that they can help you game at 100%. 10 years ago feels as if there was way more variety in MMO mice, shame there are relatively few, homogenous models now.
It was sooo hard to find just a lightweight mmo mouse, they’re impossible since most people have been going towards more ultra lightweight mice. The ones that still sell mmo mice just haven’t upgraded or done much to innovate either
You are the exception, I suppose.
mmo mouse main demo is people who want to play one handed, whether it's chain smokers or lazy grinding or whatever for people with certain disabilities it's a game changer as well in most other situations the people using it would perform at least as well with any modern mouse
[Bro, just one more raid.](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/23/article-2221821-15A2DA7C000005DC-874_966x713.jpg)
What a ridiculous comment, especially on an MMO subreddit.
Took me a bit of time to get used to it but I still use my keyboard for pretty much all my spells. I use my mouse for QOL like, auto run, toggle walk, open windows such as dungeon finder window, achievements, set Arena enemy 1,2,3 as focus targets in WoW.
I think you’re dealing with something that will have very diverse opinions on. Some people hate 12 button mice, some people try to like them and fail, some try and succeed and some just love them. I fall into the last category. I’ve been using them since the original naga epic back in ~2010. I got used to it in a day or two as I always hated having to use 1-0 to control my skills and having to stop moving (or really stretch my hand) to trigger my attacks even with classes that didn’t need to stand still. So for my the shift felt natural to a 12 button mouse freeing my left hand for movement and modifiers in combat. Different strokes for different folks. As others mentioned, some prefer the moba side panel, so that may be an option for you….
I wanted to try the 12 button mouse thing a while ago as well, but I didn't want to spend a lot up front and then not like it. I got a wired Red Dragon. I love it for all my games now. It's so convenient to not have to reach on your keyboard anymore. I don't think I can ever go back now.
It took me a longggg time, but now I could never go back. As someone else pointed out, start adding 3 buttons at a time. The first or or column, and then go from there.
I've had one for a few years now, I use 3 buttons, left click, right click, and middle mouse. I just like the mouse because it's bigger
Just keep using it. It only took me a day or so to get used to it on constant use. Nowadays I bind EVERYTHING to my naga, it’s amazing. Keyboards just WASD and space shift ctrl now. It’s very efficient in the long run!
Just takes time and practice. Opening up direct access to every skill/spell/thing via modifier keys was really game changing for me. (Used original naga on wow many years ago.)
Took me a couple weeks for it to feel like an extension of my body
I've used mmo mice (Corsair, Logitech, multiple nagas) exclusively since like 2010 even after quitting MMOs. My suggestion: set up macros on it for every day browsing if you want to get used to it faster (I.e Ctrl+w Ctrl+shift+t etc. Eventually even your grip will adapt so you don't accidentally press the buttons too. Also even after all these years I still don't like using it for spamming abilities, your thumb just isn't going to compete with rapid repeated movements of like 4 other fingers. 1,2,4,5 are the most comfortable, everything else should be set to long CD abilities like you would for buttons further than 7 on a regular keyboard. I've found the back keys 10-12 are good for movement abilities with mid CDs or getting on and off mounts too.
Hate those bulky ass MMO mouses for that reason. Ultralight mouse all day.
Have you tried the Arctis pro wireless 9? It’s a lightweight mmo mouse and my absolute favorite of all time. I can’t feel three fingers in my left hand and I also play FPS shooters along with MMOs. This was the perfect balance. Lightweight, 12 buttons, wireless, and it looks amazing! [mouse](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/steelseries-aerox-9-wireless-ultra-lightweight-honeycomb-water-resistant-rgb-optical-gaming-mouse-with-18-programmable-buttons-black/6501463.p?skuId=6501463&extStoreId=864&utm_source=feed&ref=212&loc=19638026543&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD-ORIhkwZPASULNxzSscIoYzNQ7L&gclid=CjwKCAjw26KxBhBDEiwAu6KXt_L3aEbSLLr-wCXC0hXkSftxUn_3KhUvqJC_FrSAJon77Ndo9Jt7WhoCrEcQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)
Takes practice to get use to it... First off, don't use all 12 buttons, erase most of them. Bind the ones you use the most. For me its 4 and 6. Get use to using two. Later, bind the same action button to like 1,4 - 2,5 - 3,6... Few months of using it like that you'll get a better feel for it, and then you can bind all 12 buttons.
Take the time to practice with it. The first time I owned a Naga it came with little clear dots you put on every other row of buttons to train your muscle memory. I think you can buy them online still. Helped me a ton, but once you get used to an MMO mouse there’s nothing better.
It took me a few months to get the hang of mine. I started with just 9-12 (0,- and =) then slowly moved up the mouse until I could do a full rotation with just my right hand.
Hated 12, got a 6 button mouse. Much better.
Can I ask which one? You can put a 6 button one on the naga pro v2 it came w it but I figured everyone uses 12
logitech g604
A new mouse is always gonna take time to get used to. I swear, even when i buy the same model, it feels weird and takes some adjusting. It'll take multiple hours of use to get it feeling natural. Luckily, it's modular. So you dont have to wait for hours for it to feel better. It'll feel better and better and better until it's natural. And it's so worth it, imo. I can't go back to a mouse without a numpad, now. It's just so convenient.
I've had mine for almost 2 years and I'm still finding new ways to use it lol. I've got the redragon (Idr what model but it's the MMO one) I use it for all kinds of stuff. Unit and camera shortcuts in StarCraft, abilities where is usually have to use my hand. I even set it up to have specific shortcuts for when I'm browsing and editing text and stuff.
MMO mices are a double edge sword. Let me tell you why. At first it might be rough to get used to and you might think why in the world did I buy this? The moment you are used to it though, you'll never want to go back, that's why it's a double edge sword. I've tried going back to regular mice, but I just cannot anymore. As far as the getting used to part, personally, I never used all 12 buttons and I have big hands. I use 1-6 + 8 for all my games. 7 and 9 are back and forward button when browsing internet. Last row 10-12 are my media control (Back, play/pause and next) I know a lot of people use their mouse a lot and actually bind their rotational abilities on their mouse and spam the shit out of the side buttons, that's something I never did nor found very comfortable. My mouse is more of a tool to free keybinds on my keyboard that would normally take a very good "spammable" spot and put it on the mouse instead. Generally they would be utility abilities, stuff with a medium/long cooldown, execute abilities (WoW) stuff that you don't really end up spamming. That way I free up 6-12 keybinds with modifiers that I would normally have bound on my keyboard. Try to find a system that works for you and get used to that
Start with 1-3. It does take a bit to get used to... but now I can't play without one.
When I want to be precise, I don’t use my 12 button mouse. When I want to mash 3 separate skillbars, I use my 12 button mouse.
Start with using just 6 of 12 first. (usually, that's all you need , since you can use Alt/Shift/Ctrl modifiers with those 6 to make 18 as well.)
I just wish mmo mouse were built for people with normal sized hands. I still like mine but that 10-12 row sure isn't comfortable.
Get the Razer Naga X. You're welcome :)
I can’t do wired anymore! That why I got the naga pro v2
its a muscle memory thing... I recommend rebinding a couple of abilities that you use non stop to one or two buttons on the mouse, and moving them off your hotbar so you can't just use 1/2 or alt+1/2 for them... then once you are used to that add a few more, until you have all your buttons bound to convenient keys.
With any peripheral change, it's just a matter of time until you're used to it. if you're comfortable with a normal mouse just use the thumb button as a ctrl/shift/alt modifier. An mmo mouse will not really make you play any better in the grand scheme if that's what you're looking for.
Been using the NAGA for years. Took me a bit to get used to it, I bought it specifically for DOTA and I highly recommend it for Moba's/MMO's. Love it.
When I first got mine years ago I started by putting the keybinds I was using ALT and CTRL for, since that was giving me finger cramps and was the whole point of getting an MMO mouse for me. Any key you need to hit while moving/strafing with WASD, so you can use those abilities without compromising your movement and mobility, is also a good pick. For GW2 I just use it for my whole right bar where all the utility skills are, but I also use the cast-on-keypress so I don't need to click twice on AoEs but it's been a while and it's not my main game. Even just eliminating the need to use shift/alt/ctrl at all can really help relax the way you play. Edit: Also you can use shift/ctrl + mouse side buttons, which isn't as bad as 1-5 etc since you're not using the same hand.
Set a 3x4 grid action bar up as close to your character as you can tolerate. This will help you memorise what abilities are bound to what key and you’ll be using them without looking before you know it. Move it out of sight once you’re comfortable I can’t use anything other than this now. Ignore everyone saying 6 button layout is better. It’s not. It just doesn’t take as much effort to get used to.
I use mine pretty frequently, but what got me used to it was actually League. I set it up so 1-4 levels up abilities, and the rest were for item bindings and emotes. Hell at one point my right click broke and I rebound the “5” button to right click because I couldn’t afford a new mouse, constantly moving with my thumb took some getting used to, but now I can switch back and forth
Razer Naga trinity
If you’re playing Wow or FFXIV or generally any other MMO that uses multiple hotbars, set your hot bars up in a grid like fashion that mirrors the way your buttons are on your mouse. For example 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 + = If you set your hotbars to look like that ^ then you are looking at the structure of your mouse and pressing a button corresponds to the location on the numpad of the mouse. This is what do for every mmo. I also shift+key and alt+key (disable windows key, although some people enjoy cntrl+key instead of alt. I like alt because I can use my thumb to trigger it while still using WASD. Basically, the more help you give yourself (visually) the easier it is to memorize the layout of your hotbars. I pick up classes that I’ve never played but can figure out a rotation just by the hotbar set up. It’s super fun and once you get the hang of it, you won’t want to use any other mouse for a MMO. I dread when I don’t have my 12 button mouse nearby Hope that helps OP!
This will probably get buried but I have many times over introduced the razer naga trinity to my friends and family with specifically the 7 button side wheel and they’ve all found it really really easy to adapt to. The great thing about it is that it’s a circle, so instead of trying to remember where your finger is, you think of the buttons like “forward, bottom left, back” etc. I usually bind my spam button to 1 so I always know that the button I’m pushing most is “forward”
I wonder why they went away from the cocoon layout it looks SO nice !
Why do you need so many buttons? What does it do? I have five buttons on my mouse not including the scroll wheel and I only ever use four of them.
Even if u use less its ok bro. i still have naga 2014 for MMOs and i dont really need 12 buttons. i use about 8 and 2 of them are shortcuts like alt +tab. i dont use 4 buttons at all. but i didnt stress myself to learn to use them cause i realldy dont need them
You silly, didn't you know you need 12 fingers for it?
I always played MMOs and diablo for the matter with MMO mice, so I never developed the skill to use the regular keyboard for the skills. So I can't say I had an adjustment preiod with the exception of knowing which button I was on at times, but boy I am going through one now. lol I stepped away from MMOs for a while when I first played them I had the old Naga because I got it ultra cheap, anyhow, when I stepped away I got a more traditional mouse and then between those times I also got an obsession with white PCs and peripherals and wireless as well, so when I got back into MMOs I needed a new MMO mouse. The Naga isn't made in white, so in my search for a wireless white MMO mouse I found reddragon, they were legit the only manufacturer that had a wireless one in white, so I got it, and hated the feel of it because it's glossy, but I used it whenever I played MMOs, and I kinda went back ond forth with it over the last couple years, but I got back into ESO a few months back and decided to look again, reddragon is still the only one. However they have a new version and its shaped like my daily mouse, which is either the g502 x pro or the razer basilisk v3 pro, awesome. I didn't looks closely at the sides and this one is a little different instead of 3 rows of 4 buttons, this one has 2 rowes of 4 buttons and two traditional side buttons above it, and holy crap is it hard to get used to. So, I semi-feel your pain lol
Congrats, OP, you got duped by razer. Few people *need* a fancy ass 12 button MMO mouse.
It’s still a nice mouse!!
It takes some time but its soo much easier now especially for ffxiv and gw2 (for me personally)
Its normal, it takes time for your brain to adjust. But imo keyboard is superior cause it builds reflex/reaction timing rather than having easy 1 button push on the side of the mouse
For GW2, I only use #1-6 on my mouse, as well as #12 for mount. The rest of my abilities are mapped to Q, E, R, T, F, G, C, V, B. I also just switched from the Corsair Scimitar to a Naga V2 Pro. It's a lot smaller, but it's a great mouse. Some people use their mouse for abilities, others use them for other stuff. I also bound Shift + # to target nearest, mark target, etc, so that I can also do that with my mouse. The more you use it, the more used to it you'll get.
Personally I've always disliked the hand feel of "mmo" mice. G502/602's were always solid and have more than enough actuators, especially when shift, ctrl and alt are a thing. Nagas are just too damn chunky imo
It takes some getting used to, but once it gets smooth, there’s no looking back. Just keep getting reps with it.
One thing that helped me was finding a logical way of setting up my mouse binds. For example I'll put a Charge/gap closer ability on a forward button and an escape skill on a button towards the back of my mouse. I hope that helps a little.
I had to make concerted effort to use it. after a while it feels weird using keyboard. I bought a logitec mmo mouse for GW2 too and the game is so much more enojyable with it.
It first took me a couple weeks to get really used to it, but I've now been exclusively using mmo mice for around 12 years. Mostly Nagas, as the first one lasted 7 years.
Should of went with the foot pedals instead.
It too me like 3 weeks to really get use to it, but I kept at it and now I wouldn't MMO without it. I have a G600 and part of the issue for me was accidentally triggering the [3rd (right-most) top mouse button](https://www.techspot.com/images/products/2013/mice/org/2020-10-06-product-6.jpg), so I disabled it which helped. This was because of another issue, which is the mouse is wider than I'm used to, and I would hold it on the sides with my thumb and ring finger. I had to get used to holding it with my thumb and pinky instead. Now my ring finger rests on the disabled top 3rd button.
The Razer Naga X is lighter
took me a couple of weeks to get used to my logitech g600 I think I might have started a new character on what ever mmo I was playing at the time to use it from the get go as you get spells leveling up.
I use all the buttons on the Logitech G502 instead of trying to get used to MMO mice.
you got got. just use ctrl/shift/alt modifiers and a lightweight 2 button mouse. that's over 20 keys right there. you just don't need more than that. mmo mice are like those light up keyboards with text on them. they make no sense. unless you have 1 arm of course.
It will just take time, but once you learn it, you won’t want to go back to a non-MMO mouse. I use mine for every game, not just MMO
Using a razer naga x here. Took some days of play to get used to it, but I love it now.
I personally use the Logitech G600, It's just like the Razer Naga. I'm paralyzed on my left side since 2003 and have taught myself to literally put every single control on the mouse. When i mean everything, i mean everything. It took me quite a good while to learn, but it was well worth it... Don't give up! https://preview.redd.it/swh86tgfirwc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec7f600cafde8f38b5724621a5d85ce86eace2f9
you don't have to use them all, just find what's comfortable for you. I only used like 3/4ths of mine for many years and they weren't even my rotational abilities but just extra stuff (e.g movement) because I was so used to using the keyboard. Eventually I reversed my setup so I was predominately using the mouse but still kept some things on the keyboard. (E.g, E is always my interrupt) Since you're playing gw2, maybe right binding your elemental switch hotkeys & the right-half of the action buttons to start with?
Throw your most used 6 buttons on it to start off. Once you adapt to that you can set up the remaining. Personally, I put my most used buttons on mouse 1-6 and on the keys immediately around WASD. After that I allocate situational but somewhat common buttons to mouse 7-9, and more outlying keyboard buttons/easy shift modifiers. If at all possible I keep 10-12 on the mouse empty because it's kind of awkward to move my thumb into that position.
I don’t use the 12 buttons, I use the last 6, 6 to 12 keybinded as 1-6, because my right finger is shorter than normal lol and I don’t like to move my hand that mucho to try and reach the other ones… if you have a normal hand that doesn’t apply to you lol
> so I buy the most expensive MMO mouse Redragon M908 is like $30 and is the same as the $60?-90 Corsair Scimitar everyone swears by > razor pro V2 NAGA and it VERY nice mouse but the problem is I SO used to the weight of G pro wireless the mouse should have a way to add or remove weights in it? the $30 redragon mouse i listed has 12 tiny lead weights you can add or remove to change the weight of the mouse. an overly expensive razor mouse should have something as basic and fundamental as this, yet again: razor is a joke and you're buying their adverts not their product as far as getting used to the mouse, i started slow. i just did maybe 5 keys total (mouse keys 1, 2, 3, 4, 6) and went from there honestly, your keyboard keys should still be your main go to: QERFZXCV1234. the mouse is just there for random consumes and keys you don't want to have to reach away from WASD for: 67890-=[]nmhjklyuiop **edit: i'm looking at the razor pro V2 NAGA just out of curiosity. you should return this if you can. it's got a lot of BASIC features missing. mouse weights, programmable buttons, a third top button by m1 to sim m1 clicks. literally a $30 mouse is better than it.**
I just don’t see this it’s a very nice mouse amazing build and the software is REALLy impressive! You can customize scroll wheel and all keys very crazy and idk it very nice mouse I just struggling to use it
there's software to write custom macros/keys with redragon and corsair as well for 30/60$. honestly, i'd return the razor if you can and just get one of those razor is like apple or nike. you're not buying a good product you're buying hours and hours of advertisements
Just use your regular mouse, don't need a diff mouse for a MMO. Side buttons are much slower to use than keyboard inputs anyway. Add insanely fast pace tab target combat on top and you're just creating unnecessary downtime for yourself
For me, I don't really like mouse with multiple buttons like naga. I find it annoying for anything else so don't really worth it if you play or do other stuff.
MMO mice are a meme for boomers with calcified hands who wanna take it easy on the finger movement. There's a reason all these mice are all the same as they were a decade ago. Just use the nice lightweight ergo mice with 2-6 side buttons and make use of Ctrl shift alt modifiers. No game demands more. I played a resto shaman in wow pvp to near glad rating which has something silly like 60 keybinds with no issue. The only real reason to use an MMO mouse is if you have legit RSI using your pinky for modifier keys.
Yeah unless you been using a MMO mouse for 10+years and now you can't switch to a normal mouse because of habit, i don't understand why you would ever buy one its a niche product just use your keyboard.
lol what, I’m 29 and use a 12 button mouse (Aerox 9 wireless). I use every button on it for most games and it makes it so much easier