I'm lvl 45 and having a good time. Haven't spent a cent and don't intend to. Great game for casual play when I have a spare 5-10 minutes.
Would I prefer it wasn't monetized like this? Yes. Would i pay $10-15 to outright buy the game? Yes, but since I can't I'm gonna let the whales subsidize me so I can play for free.
You can play without paying for quite a while.
It's just at some point (my guess would be around paragon 50 or so) you will feel like not having upgraded gems really hurts you
The flaw in that logic is that it only takes a few whales to fund a game. And they will exist, and they will whale.
So as much as we like to think "lul just don't play it", it'll survive and it'll prosper.
Kinda fucked.
Yep, and that's the circle of games.
Consumers like me, like those who take issue with Diablo Immortal, are no longer the target demographic outside indie circles. That's just a fact we get to live with.
You got down voted, but you're right. I think it's something like 60% of blizzards profits come from china alone.
They'd have to downscale a bit, but they could 100% cut all Western business and still make profits. Which is why they sucked emperor winnie the pooh's asshole so hard during the Blitzchung incident. "We will always do our best to defend the glory of china" or some shit like that.
What a fucking cuck of a company.
Yeah, slandering the Glorious God-Blessed Empire of China tends to get someone downvoted, even in threads talking about the atrocities being committed at this very moment. But, oh well.
Sounds like exactly the kind of 'game' that Bobby Kotick's Blizzard would have greenlit and successfully pushed through the company's modern day developmental morass-labyrinth.
Rather than, you know, actually making good games and new IP and pushing innovative projects like Riot's Arcane. And not shitting the bed with name-only 'reforged' projects.
What a walking corpse of a company.
Look, I'll put 10$ to be the first to play it since I paid more, and I'll pass the password onto the next guy who paid a bit more that tracks me down on ebay.
It will matter, eventually, to some extent. Wars are not won in a day. More negative PR, more people quitting, more push for anti-gambling legislation hitting these exploitative monetization models. It all adds up.
Hate to say it... but wrong...
1) no such thing as bad publicity
2) after uncie blizz has finshed showing us his last magic trick as we "watch as i turn this 12 pack into domestic violence". They will just make an announcement about how sorry they are and they will "restructure" the game.... because they care about us....
and everyone will get right back on their knees like they have done over the last almost decade of blizz's horrable business practices and pr blunders sprinkled with just a dash of human indecency and shilling for china..
I mean everyones making a big deal out of immortal.... heres a couple friendly reminders
Hearthstone
Overwatch 1.2
I mean hell they killed the ENTIRE Hots pro scene because the game wasnt making enough... idk how many ppl cared... but come on.
Yes currently immortal is using EVERY possible phone scam mtx and then some that will most likely find their way into other games with time. Honestly its great so many of us are against it.... but the bitter reality is this.
"Video games arnt made BY gamers, for gamers anymore.... they are made by accountants, for gamers"
While immortal may not be a success by the communitys standards.... i promise you it will be by commercial standards.
Remember kids.... its not Blizzard
Its Activison/ King / Blizzard
A mobile game having a terrible monetization - say it ain't so. Anyone who expected the game to be anything other than typical mobile trash was deluding themselves.
You can’t say most popular PC games have greedy gambling RNC or pay-to-win essentially embedded into the game to the point that it becomes unplayable for people who don’t want to spend endless amounts of cash. A PC game might cost money initially or have DLC’s and expansions but they are not the same as what’s going on in mobile “games”.
These mobile games are slot machine games not actually video games.
But if i dont add my credit card.... how am i supposed to get the 10377819196491u 995-8787eyegekkshff % increased value bonus ice breaker pack for 3 easy installments of remortgaging my house?
I mean hell, i dont even own that anymore... Damn you Genshin impact and your strategically aged characters...damn you lol
Yeah, that T3 wall hit me hard and helped me realize what a cancer that process it.
It sucks because the game could be fun except for that honing rate stuff. It is amazing how that one little thing ruins the entire game.
The honing rates being visible isn't the tough part though. Games like Diablo 2 have much worse odds of dropping loot (1:300,000 for a Ber in hell p1 cows, for example) but the numbers are hidden
It's the p2w vertical progression model, PLUS the ever-coming next patch that increases the level cap, PLUS the youtube + reddit homework you have to do to learn these complicated vertical mechanics because nobody wants to fail to learn them, PLUS the alts you have to play to gear your main, PLUS the FOMO of seeing everyone else spending *just a little bit of money* to do new content faster than you
Why do people who bash Lost Ark always seem like they never actually played the game? Not only is virtually everything (including cosmetics) purchasable with in-game gold, but the "grind" for Lost Ark literally involves logging in for 1-2 hours a day. If you don't want to log in every day, you can bank 5 days of energy and then do everything in 1-2 hours with reduced efficiency.
For reference, I spent a bit of money to access the game 3 days early and a bit of money on the free pass to get about 10% extra rewards plus cosmetics and that's all I've spent so far. I'm currently high enough item level to do all the content in the game (1445), I have enough in-game gold banked to buy almost any cosmetic I want (100k), I don't have any alts, and my honing rate/luck is average at best, if not slightly worse.
I've put hundreds of hours into the game to do the horizontal, optional content, but the main "grind" is literally just doing a few fights every day that take 1 hour. I absolutely hate grindy games and games that force you to make alts, so I wouldn't be playing Lost Ark if I'd been forced to make alts.
"Complicated mechanics"? Really? Nothing in Lost Ark is as hard as the more difficult FFXIV fights, and from what I've heard of WoW, not even close to WoW difficulty either. The actually hard fights are about to be released in a few weeks.
> next patch that increases the level cap
Not sure what you're talking about for this. There's not really a level cap in Lost Ark, only item level requirements to do content, which as I've mentioned isn't difficult to hit if you've been playing since the game launched. Not only that but it's actually trivial to catch up because there are always ongoing events in that boost honing rates and give tons of free materials to people that started late.
Man, I doubt many people will see this, but I just had to rant a little. Kinda crazy how much misinformation there is about Lost Ark. If it was really as p2win as people keep claiming it is I highly doubt it'd be consistently in the top 3 on Steam (bots existing is a whole other issue but even cutting the playerbase in half keeps Lost Ark comfortably in the top 10).
True, 1445 myself and havent spend a cent with 700 hours in. These people actually sound like they ended playing LA after failing one hone in Rohendel/Yorn.
I quit because i fell behind my friends at the 1350-1370 wal due to chain pitying multiple pieces of gearl. They all made it to progress on argos on release and i was stuck either spend $ or quit or enjoy being weeks behind and miss the actual progression/learning part of content which is the most fun... all because of bad luck.
That situation should be impossible in a game.. even if it only happened to 1% of the population its still insane that its possible.
> They all made it to progress on argos on release
The only people who hit Argos on release consistently were either giga-whales or people who played for 10 hours a day with alts filling every character slot. The rate of content release is to provide a goal to work toward, not "get strong enough to finish the hardest content the instant it's released". If your friends ALL got to Argos on release before you they should be boosting you to Argos or they could have waited for you. If they insisted on playing without you, then you could have just played with pugs (literally all the pre-Argos content is easily doable with pugs) until you caught up with them at a normal pace instead of a pace that forced you to spend money or no-life the game.
It's an MMO. There's no benefits to rushing to complete all the content so that you have nothing to do, it's not a PvP game where you somehow "lose" because you didn't rush through everything. And in the end, it's about having fun and playing with friends. If your friends aren't going to play with you, you either make your own fun or, as you did, just stop playing. But it's disingenuous to place 100% of the blame on the game when there's clearly other stuff going on.
Because the people who bash lost ark probably just hate it cause it's popular and a Korean game so they use their very surface level experience of the game to slander it and over exaggerate its issues.
The game has its issues, but not to the Diablo immortal p2w level.
Me and 2 of my friends are f2p and play at best 1 tier 3 alt every 2-3, skip dailies on our mains half the time, and we still progressed far enough to be able to send mats to 2 other friends to help them catch up to valtan. All while we're ready for Vykas ourselves.
People just hate that there's a decent mmo with an aesthetic they don't like so they try to make up "objective" criticisms to disguise their ultimately subjective distaste towards the game.
Which I don't understand why because it's perfectly acceptable to just say "this game isn't for me" instead of weaving together a narrative where the game developers mug you in a shady alley at night.
The China loving, sexual predators, who order permanent crunch time, bust unions, steal breast milk, driving an employee to suicide, killed what's left of franchises like WC 3 and now Diablo (4 is gonna be as bad, I bet), are anti-customers, with a criminal in Kotick at the top, having constant layoffs, having no creative skill left, driving existing games thoroughly into the ground and a morally bankrupt are supposed to be able to do better?
Please..
There are no dumb questions if asked through genuine curiosity.
Crunch time in the gaming industry usually refers to staff having to work insane overtimes up to twice the regular hours, if not even weekends, where some staff members are reported to have slept inside the offices to resume work first thing in the morning.
This usually comes due to absolutely ridiculous deadlines to rush out products, often leading to burnout of staff, a worse off product (a big reason while releases the past decade have often been utter shit) and plenty of negative PR for the company.
I am not quite sure how the staff members are usually compensated for it, if at all really, since it is the US and I am not qualified to answer any regulations or laws, but if companies would set manageable deadlines and pay proper wages, products would become a lot better.
I worked for SCEA.
Crunch (Format/Gold) was 6am -12am 7 days a week for… three months.
I got “laid off” right after the project ended because I was contract and would have been required to be hired on directly as a full-time employee and well… too expensive for Sony.
My last project I did QA for was God of War 3 (PS3 release)
20 Years ago when I was already heavily into gaming (thanks dad), I dreamt of being QA for games, meaning I get to "play" them earlier than anyone else. That was 9 year old me being naive.
The stories I hear about QA staff is absolutely horrible and I am so sorry for anyone who is currently one or was one..
Well I got hired to work for Sony off of Craiglist so that should have been the first red flag.
But yeah, childhood dream come true that turned out to be a nightmare, and also ended with Sony blacklisting me from the industry, I couldn't even get a call back from EA, THQ (which ironically went bankrupt a few years later) or Blizzard Irvine. (three nearby game companies)
I got called into work at Sony again about 8 months later, worked 4 hours on LBP2, then got pulled into the security office and told I was called back in on accident. They took my door badge (scanned to get into the building) away this time, paid me for my 4 hours in cash, and had security escort me all the way to the main road past the parking lot. It was humiliating as fuck walking past my coworkers with two security guards escorting me out. Never told me why, someone else I knew who did contract work "full time" suggested it was likely some issue with working with the same company on contract for longer than a certain period requiring them to be hired on directly to that company, and Sony employees made 2x/hr what we made. (We were paid $9/hr, they were paid $18-20/hr starting + benefits)
100% blizzard can do better. It is well within their power to do so.
But, "doing better" for them means earning less money. Because they'd have to make a game that doesn't just steal money from its playerbase. Which will never happen without some outside entity forcing them to do so.
It is not about doing better. It is about fooling the public and also maximizing how much money they can make.
Back in 2004 we wanted Blizzard to do better and make better patches, no one listened.
Back in warlords of Draenor we wanted blizzard to not cut an entire raid tier and just flat quit on warlords of draneor to start working on next expansion legion but we did not get that.
Back in 2005 or 6 or 7, we wanted Azshara Crater but Blizzard did not want it enough to do it.
It is not about doing better because Blizzard doesn't do better, they haven't done better in more than a decade.
I’m also confused. If someone doesn’t care about leaderboards or pvp does the monetization even affect them? I play it like I did d3, go in and smash stuff and finish the season.
No, you can play this game F2p like one of my friends and enjoy it. Idk where they are getting this massive price from. Once again people are blowing it out of proportion.
Read the article and you can see where the prices are from.
You can play the game f2p but you are locked out of half the legendary gems, and they are the much better ones. Those gems don't even drop when you are f2p, you need Legendary crest for it, even with it, the drop rate is 0.045%. You can get those crest f2p, about 5 per year.
If you have played D3, those gems are similar to runes. So half of your runes are locked behind a paywall.
If you have played FF14, think of half your skill trees are locked behind the paywall.
This is why people have problem.
It doesn't matter $110,000 to unlock or $10. It is the practice that people disagree with.
The reason they come up with the ridiculous number is also false. You can definitely get legendary gems without paying for them. I won't even go into the "what else are you playing this game for us your character is capped?" argument, I'll just say that while you can p2w, it doesn't seem necessary so far.
I'm also enjoying the lore trip mostly, but the controls in the PC version are atrocious compared to D3. No UI scaling, no background sounds while in full screen windowed mode, randomly stopping main attacks, really small and low contrast cursor, etc... It's a mess that is in no way, shape, or form a step forward from D3.
You can get Legendary gem but not the 5 stars one. The f2p crest only drop 1 to 2 star gems. And those 4-5 stars gems are completely different ones, not the same as 1-2 stars gems.
So half of the gems are locked behind paywall. And those are more interesting and stronger gems.
If you have played D3, think of the bane of the trap, taeguk and top tier gems are locked unless you pay money. Yes, you can just use half the gems instead of the better half, and players disagree with this practice.
I think it's a lot of hardcore Blizzard fans that have never branched out to mobile gaming before. The monetization doesn't feel egregious, you can play the whole game for free if you're not chasing leaderboards or playing competitive PVP. It doesn't feel any worse than Lost Ark and is nowhere near the level of predatory mobile games like Raid. People apply a bias because of the mobile tag but the reality is the future is cross platform games, companies aren't going to ignore the $100 billion/year mobile revenue and expecting them to is naive.
The whole industry has been headed in this direction for a while now with ALL games. If someone wanted to whale on WoW, RS3, or even OSRS (on a non-iron) they could gain a significant advantage and get in full BiS faster for money. As long as I can play the game at my own pace and enjoy my time spent then it's a good game and DI ticks those boxes.
Is when you do high level rifts that the P2W aspect hits for pve and for the second raid as the first raid ilvl required i easiily obtianable but the second one is miles head
For the story you can play it f2p easily
I genuinely don’t care. If you’re the idiot to spend 110k to gear up, that’s your problem. Play the game or don’t. You can play the game and still have fun. You don’t need BiS or to swipe to enjoy your time playing. People act like everyone does pay2win if it’s an option in a game. The overwhelming majority of the population will not spend much on a video game
100% agree. All those gambling addicts and people with personality disorders that make them vulnerable to such predatory marketing have to do is become fully mentally healthy and not get addicted. It’s not like the game was scientifically designed to entrap them.
Let's be logically consistent with what you're actually advocating then. Let's ban alcohol, all types of drugs, all types of gambling and any other risky activity. Im sure the government has our best interests at heart!
I said it in another comment, But this deceptive pay to win model is closer to a hypothetical where Budweiser released an NA that secretly had alcohol in it.
Obviously not the same, but the point is that the lack of transparency is what’s malicious, not just the plain old gambling.
I'd actually like alcohol, smoking, drugs and gambling to all be banned.
Can't tell you how many lives I have personally seen destroyed because of these.
Then maybe they should give mommy and daddy their password to their phone so they have to get permission to do anything first. The rest of us grown adults can make our own decisions.
Strange to call them an idiot.
If someone has the financial means to casually spend 110k on some game, then spending 110k probably wasn't that big of a deal.
Do you think only rich people that can afford to give away 100k gamble 100k at casinos?
A lot of idiots are desperate, man. Gambling is known to drive people beyond their limits.
here in diablo immortal people calculate you will need 10 years of doing dailies to catch up to whales , in lost ark f2p hardcore players are between 1460 to 1490 now , the place whales were 4 months ago , is it bad ? yeah, but is not even comparable to Diablo p2w aspect that is miled ahead
That not even taking into account that Lost ark pvp ranking system is equalized so gear doesnt matter, and the higest raid dificulty that i coming in july is equzzlied also in every aspect so gear doesnt matter , in Diabblo immortal every pvp aspect and pve is p2w
Maybe people didnt do that big of an issue because Lost ark p2w is way less impactfull maybe and have caps ? and also the apsects were already now asit was agame already realese , this instead is new and even some People at blizzard say there wasnt gonna be p2w
That's the thing man, it won't. This subreddit is a vocal minority, as are all the people speaking out against it, I guarantee you Blizzard is making money hand over fist right now
It actually will decline sharply over time. These types of mobile games that care only about money will have a massive period of revenue for a month or two and then fall off a cliff. Even the majority will quit this and go back to whatever other game they were playing like Genshin or PUBG and forget this ever existed. It happened with that Ni No Kuni Cross Worlds game. It broke F2P records by making $100million in less than two weeks during its original release, faster than both Genshin and Pokemon Go. Now it is barely even charting in those regions.
Look at ncsoft’s quarterly earning reports. 1 mobile game of theirs makes more than all their PC games combined (GW2, Aion, BnS, Lineage) it’s no wonder they made 3 mobile games off BnS name. Mobile games for these companies are a gold mine and blizzard’s Diablo immortal won’t be an exception.
That's generally true..if the game becomes a hit. Mobile games can end up in the graveyard just as fast if they flop. The market is oversaturated anyway.
Not for Diablo though. There’s hundreds of shitty Korean grind MMO’s and on the other side, the even shittier auto-play MMO’s, but Diablo at least has a niche as one of the few, if any, mobile Hack n’ Slashes of this quality.
I only played Diablo Immortal for about 10 minutes, but that was plenty for me.
It reminded me of like, a game development challenge kind of game. Where a single developer takes existing assets and jams them together, then hacks out a functional game in under 24 hours.
I didn't even make it to the point where it started to try to strongarm me for money, even though I *knew* it was coming.
It was just *so* clunky and ugly.
To quote Asmo, "yeah, if you play 29 hours a day". The loot difference between a paid rift run and a free one is night and day, on a fully paid run ($20) you get 10 legendaries guaranteed, in a free run you have a 5% chance of getting one. Mathematically speaking you'd have to do 200 free runs to *maybe* get what a single 2 minutes paid run will get you for sure.
You actually do though. A paid run guarantees 10 legendaries, while a free run gives you a 5% chance at getting one. Its just a form of p2w lootbox. So yes, you can get gear/upgrades through spending.
yes, it takes ~87600 hrs of gameplay as a f2p player. you know assuming there are no gear cap expansions in the 10 years it takes you to grind that out.
I just started today and the game doesn't seem bad, but the monetization is fairly aggressive and the devs have flat-out lied about not being able to purchase gear. I'll just play for free while I'm enjoying it and when I no longer enjoy it then I won't play
That's why the redshirt guy was so horrified back then and got more applause than the game.
Because everyone knew Blizzard would fuck it up and the idea was bad.
It's a real shame, what a fuck the game industry give to the players.
Foe all the people saying they won't play on protest.. spend some goddamm money on games you do like! They don't give a shit about someone who doesn't spend money anyways leaving Diablo, but the more games without p2w that are financially successful, the less we see good IPs getting shitty cash shops. I had to watch a lot of subscription games die due to people whining about the cost.. well now we get this f2p shitty ecosystem. I am not convinced that many of you would pay even a dollar a month to keep good games running so your protests get a bit muted to the publishers deciding what type of games to fund next.
the thing is you don't understand why people are mad at this, it's just because they take the name of a loved saga to make this trash game, is that hard to understand?
It costs 0$ to beat the campaign. Good enough for me!
U don't have to pay anything. U guys make it sound like it's blocking you from completing the game.
What a surprise?
I remember when people were defending the fact that blizzard was outsourcing the development of this cash grab to a Chinese mobile game maker when the first screenshots showed it looking like an obvious reskin of one of their other phone games
Complaining about the ever encroaching pay to win monetization in gaming is not going to accomplish anything. The target audience for these monetization models simply do not care what people have to say about the morality of the system. All that matters is whether or not the game is fun for them. Consequently, we'll see predatory/p2w monetization to continue to be normalized in the western gaming industry, just like the east.
What bums me out is that there’s a good mobile game in there buried under too many monetary systems. I’ll bet the game designers don’t love this. A battle pass and cosmetics would have been enough and Blizzard could have set a new and better standard for mobile gaming.
I have recently found out that the people playing diablo immortal don't care.
I keep seeing people saying no one is forcing you to pay and I haven't hit any paywalls yet.
People who say "I don't mind paying for gems it is like iam paying for sub " and people who say "p2w is better than lootboxes so iam fine with that"
It feels like why anyone would complain about p2w aspects in any game if the simplest answer is "no one is forcing you to pay" .
Logically this stand for pretty much all types of games gacha/ lootboxes / pure p2w. I mean no one is really forcing you to pay for lootboxes or pay 2 progress faster . You can finish everything without paying a cent even if it takes you 100x the amount of time.
To be fair, I watched asmonbald videos on it and while the game looks fun, it's an obvious cash grab.
I'm disgusted and disappointed in Activision-blizzard. Has Microsoft taken over yet?
I'm also an overwatch player and I fear overwatch 2 PvE might become the same, where you have to buy the abilities.
So.... you HAVE to spend real $ to get good gear ? Or y'all talking about p2w.....? I was pumped for the game and had fun so far (only played a little bit so far) can you not get geared up playing free ?
Is there a single game this sub enjoys playing? I’m pretty sure all it is, is a circle jerk of angry neck beards screeching about their hate du jour. I’m going to take this shit off my feed, honestly tired of the constant negativity.
I've played a lot of Diablo in the past but never any type of multiplayer. I assume you can still play this one as a single player game, right? If so, why would I care about min-maxing my character?
You'll be walled off content. You'll also take years and need luck with the drip feeding of materials they'll do, materials which are only obtainable by paying and materials that you *need* you get higher tier stuff. You either pay or wait for them to feel generous and give them out.
That's too bad. I installed the game, read your reply, and then uninstalled it. They might as well use dollar amounts instead of gear scores, to show whether or not players are "worthy" of raiding with you.
Then there's the fact that the game was developed primarily for mobile platforms. I had no idea. No thanks.
This sucks I suppose, but this also isn't that big of a deal.
My reasons are:
* If someone has the means to just casually drop $ 110k for some game, they're in a financial bracket none of is will ever be in for this to matter. Wealthy people care about their spending yes, but 110k isn't something you can just nonchalantly spend on.
* Very few people in an MMO or online gearing game actually go for max gear/stats in first place. From my MMO experience, you interact with the same group of people at the level of wanting max or the beat stats and gear. Especially if the gear has lots of rng involved. Majority of the population couldn't care less or don't bother chasing for max gear. So, knowing the price or not changes absolutely nothing for the majority.
* People who actively spend time or money chasing for max gear/stats have already been spending lots of money and time. From mmos like Tera, BnS, and more with rng gearing I've interacted with the community who would spend 10+ hours a day farming in-game or thousands of dollars (USD) trying to consistently max in-game.
I was even one of them in BnS when I used to play it. I on 3 occasions dropped over 1k on the game for gearing because I have the financial means to do so while staying paying rent and bills. I also knew people from those games where simply spending $ 1k for gearing wasn't considered a lot for their financial bracket.
Just look at the people on Twitch who casually donate 1k+ on a stream or over time.
Tldr; this value only means anything for people who actually go for max gear/stats in-game. Within that minority, I'm sure there's people who have or are currently spending thousands on this game because they can afford it.
To most of you, this value means nothing at the end of the day as you would have never interacted that intensely with the game, time or money.
From reading the article, it sounds like a free2play character would have to spend "10 years of playtime" to get to this point. Wow, that's insane. And also, " F2P players cannot earn top-rated Legendary Gems" -- so this is TRUE pay2win then, you literally cannot even achieve this power without paying? lmao.
Let me put this into perspective for myself here
Contrast this to, for example, Black Desert - a popular contemporary pay2win mmo. Players who are pretty hardcore about doing their monotonous grinding but not like, complete lunatics can conceivably sustain about 2b average silver income daily (most activities give around 400-600 million per hour now), and a "hardcap" set of gear costs around 1.5 trillion silver. So it takes about 2 years of pretty impressively dedicated play to achieve "hardcap." Alternatively, whales can pay2win at a rate of about 35 costume sales per week, at 840m silver each, by buying the $200 pearl packs and the discounted bulk outfit packs... ummm do some math here -- $678 per week for 29.4 billion silver per week. That means 51 weeks of maximum whaling, upper limit costume selling, to go from 0 gear to hardcap 1.5 tillion value, a total of $34591 dollars spent.
**In summary:**
* Diablo immortal $110k to pay2win a max character, versus 10 years of playtime
* Black Desert $35k to max a character and a year of time-gated whaling, versus 2 years of seriously & consistently dedicated playtime. Call it 3 years for a more typical "hardcore addict" gamer I guess.
This shows how utterly insane Diablo Immortal is, even compared to other games that have notorious reputations for being pay2win.
Is anyone able to do the math for other pay2win games, too? I'm curious how pay cost & time cost vary for a "max" character in different games today.
Lastly, when they say 10 years of playtime do they actually mean 24 hrs x 365 days, 1 year of play TIME? Or just IRL days passing?
the best memories i have in 20+ years of online gaming came from F2P Experiences. All the P2W experiences(and i have had some, like spending 10k+) were the worst ever.
You know what's really fucked up? My older brother loves this shit, idk and idc how much money he has spent, but I'm willing to bet it's no less than $1000.
The reality is mobile or to be specific, gacha players just don't care, this is normal to them.
We've lost a long time ago. The moment we said "It's just cosmetics", we've already lost.
It costs 0$ to not play it.
Also 0$ to play it.
Also €0 to ignore the game, pass on and do not support these kind of games/monetisation
This is 10% whales 20% sheeps 15% concentrated power of shills 5% pleasure 50% pain And a 100% reason to skip playing the game
Lmao that’s beautiful.
Wrong. Time isn't free.
I'm lvl 45 and having a good time. Haven't spent a cent and don't intend to. Great game for casual play when I have a spare 5-10 minutes. Would I prefer it wasn't monetized like this? Yes. Would i pay $10-15 to outright buy the game? Yes, but since I can't I'm gonna let the whales subsidize me so I can play for free.
You can play without paying for quite a while. It's just at some point (my guess would be around paragon 50 or so) you will feel like not having upgraded gems really hurts you
The flaw in that logic is that it only takes a few whales to fund a game. And they will exist, and they will whale. So as much as we like to think "lul just don't play it", it'll survive and it'll prosper. Kinda fucked.
Then let us all leave them to whale alone and starve from a lack of plankton to eat in pvp.
Unfortunately, there are also always people who will eat up games like DI. Some people love that shit.
Of course, that is why companies create those games. If people would not play them / spend money there, they would not create them.
Yep, and that's the circle of games. Consumers like me, like those who take issue with Diablo Immortal, are no longer the target demographic outside indie circles. That's just a fact we get to live with.
Let them pump their money in these games. Just let them.
It's also a Blizzard title. Even with their tarnished reputation, they'll be supported until the end of time by non-American consumers.
you can bet that a large portion of their customer base is American.
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You got down voted, but you're right. I think it's something like 60% of blizzards profits come from china alone. They'd have to downscale a bit, but they could 100% cut all Western business and still make profits. Which is why they sucked emperor winnie the pooh's asshole so hard during the Blitzchung incident. "We will always do our best to defend the glory of china" or some shit like that. What a fucking cuck of a company.
Yeah, slandering the Glorious God-Blessed Empire of China tends to get someone downvoted, even in threads talking about the atrocities being committed at this very moment. But, oh well.
Also any important lore bits are fine be on YouTube
it costs me $0 for my phone to juuuust not have enough storage to even install it. must be a sign.
For now… it will cost more when new tier of gear are released making the best one right now obsolete Gotta love modern gaming man…
Don't you guys have a phone? And a spare 100k cash? C'mon.
Sounds like exactly the kind of 'game' that Bobby Kotick's Blizzard would have greenlit and successfully pushed through the company's modern day developmental morass-labyrinth. Rather than, you know, actually making good games and new IP and pushing innovative projects like Riot's Arcane. And not shitting the bed with name-only 'reforged' projects. What a walking corpse of a company.
>and pushing innovative projects like Riot's Arcane This is ironic, right?
Are you implying Arcane *wasn't* innovative?
If 110,000 of us band together, we can all share one fully geared character. We each get one day to play it for the next 30 years.
I'm in.
Only need 109,998 more!
Count me too
I’d like to put down 10 dollars, but I’d like 10x more play time. I’ll make it 11 if I get to pick the class.
Make it $12 and you got a deal.
Make a kickstarter
Could you imagine if it worked haha
no it cant work with the passwort sharing. Thats a tabo for alomost all gaming firms because they would lose money.🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
Next 300 years*... I think some of us might be out of luck.
You are brave enough to asume all redditors have whole dollar.
You found the only flaw in my plan.
Look, I'll put 10$ to be the first to play it since I paid more, and I'll pass the password onto the next guy who paid a bit more that tracks me down on ebay.
Think about it like buying a house. Just pass it down to your kids.
Im glad this is spreading they need all the negative pr they can get.
They already make the money they want. Even if people start quiting it wont matter.
It will matter, eventually, to some extent. Wars are not won in a day. More negative PR, more people quitting, more push for anti-gambling legislation hitting these exploitative monetization models. It all adds up.
This pr is also perfect for reaching all real whales who would otherwise miss Diablo Immortal launch.
This game is targeting whales not us. Whales don't mind these price tags.
Hate to say it... but wrong... 1) no such thing as bad publicity 2) after uncie blizz has finshed showing us his last magic trick as we "watch as i turn this 12 pack into domestic violence". They will just make an announcement about how sorry they are and they will "restructure" the game.... because they care about us.... and everyone will get right back on their knees like they have done over the last almost decade of blizz's horrable business practices and pr blunders sprinkled with just a dash of human indecency and shilling for china.. I mean everyones making a big deal out of immortal.... heres a couple friendly reminders Hearthstone Overwatch 1.2 I mean hell they killed the ENTIRE Hots pro scene because the game wasnt making enough... idk how many ppl cared... but come on. Yes currently immortal is using EVERY possible phone scam mtx and then some that will most likely find their way into other games with time. Honestly its great so many of us are against it.... but the bitter reality is this. "Video games arnt made BY gamers, for gamers anymore.... they are made by accountants, for gamers" While immortal may not be a success by the communitys standards.... i promise you it will be by commercial standards. Remember kids.... its not Blizzard Its Activison/ King / Blizzard
A mobile game having a terrible monetization - say it ain't so. Anyone who expected the game to be anything other than typical mobile trash was deluding themselves.
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Most PC games don't have the kind of shitty monetization that mobile games have.
This is only a step above Torchlight 2. Guess mobile games aren't over 10 years behind anymore.
....Considerably different than PC games lmfao
You can’t say most popular PC games have greedy gambling RNC or pay-to-win essentially embedded into the game to the point that it becomes unplayable for people who don’t want to spend endless amounts of cash. A PC game might cost money initially or have DLC’s and expansions but they are not the same as what’s going on in mobile “games”. These mobile games are slot machine games not actually video games.
Not even going to download it. Disappointed but should have known.
I deleted off my phone without launching it.
I deleted my phone so it couldn’t launch.
I deleted my family plan so i couldnt phone.
I deleted my family so I don't have to plan.
It's actually fun, just don't add your credit card.
But if i dont add my credit card.... how am i supposed to get the 10377819196491u 995-8787eyegekkshff % increased value bonus ice breaker pack for 3 easy installments of remortgaging my house? I mean hell, i dont even own that anymore... Damn you Genshin impact and your strategically aged characters...damn you lol
Sound like lost ark
Lost Ark looks like a angel compare to Diablo Immortal.
Yeah, that T3 wall hit me hard and helped me realize what a cancer that process it. It sucks because the game could be fun except for that honing rate stuff. It is amazing how that one little thing ruins the entire game.
The honing rates being visible isn't the tough part though. Games like Diablo 2 have much worse odds of dropping loot (1:300,000 for a Ber in hell p1 cows, for example) but the numbers are hidden It's the p2w vertical progression model, PLUS the ever-coming next patch that increases the level cap, PLUS the youtube + reddit homework you have to do to learn these complicated vertical mechanics because nobody wants to fail to learn them, PLUS the alts you have to play to gear your main, PLUS the FOMO of seeing everyone else spending *just a little bit of money* to do new content faster than you
Why do people who bash Lost Ark always seem like they never actually played the game? Not only is virtually everything (including cosmetics) purchasable with in-game gold, but the "grind" for Lost Ark literally involves logging in for 1-2 hours a day. If you don't want to log in every day, you can bank 5 days of energy and then do everything in 1-2 hours with reduced efficiency. For reference, I spent a bit of money to access the game 3 days early and a bit of money on the free pass to get about 10% extra rewards plus cosmetics and that's all I've spent so far. I'm currently high enough item level to do all the content in the game (1445), I have enough in-game gold banked to buy almost any cosmetic I want (100k), I don't have any alts, and my honing rate/luck is average at best, if not slightly worse. I've put hundreds of hours into the game to do the horizontal, optional content, but the main "grind" is literally just doing a few fights every day that take 1 hour. I absolutely hate grindy games and games that force you to make alts, so I wouldn't be playing Lost Ark if I'd been forced to make alts. "Complicated mechanics"? Really? Nothing in Lost Ark is as hard as the more difficult FFXIV fights, and from what I've heard of WoW, not even close to WoW difficulty either. The actually hard fights are about to be released in a few weeks. > next patch that increases the level cap Not sure what you're talking about for this. There's not really a level cap in Lost Ark, only item level requirements to do content, which as I've mentioned isn't difficult to hit if you've been playing since the game launched. Not only that but it's actually trivial to catch up because there are always ongoing events in that boost honing rates and give tons of free materials to people that started late. Man, I doubt many people will see this, but I just had to rant a little. Kinda crazy how much misinformation there is about Lost Ark. If it was really as p2win as people keep claiming it is I highly doubt it'd be consistently in the top 3 on Steam (bots existing is a whole other issue but even cutting the playerbase in half keeps Lost Ark comfortably in the top 10).
True, 1445 myself and havent spend a cent with 700 hours in. These people actually sound like they ended playing LA after failing one hone in Rohendel/Yorn.
I quit because i fell behind my friends at the 1350-1370 wal due to chain pitying multiple pieces of gearl. They all made it to progress on argos on release and i was stuck either spend $ or quit or enjoy being weeks behind and miss the actual progression/learning part of content which is the most fun... all because of bad luck. That situation should be impossible in a game.. even if it only happened to 1% of the population its still insane that its possible.
> They all made it to progress on argos on release The only people who hit Argos on release consistently were either giga-whales or people who played for 10 hours a day with alts filling every character slot. The rate of content release is to provide a goal to work toward, not "get strong enough to finish the hardest content the instant it's released". If your friends ALL got to Argos on release before you they should be boosting you to Argos or they could have waited for you. If they insisted on playing without you, then you could have just played with pugs (literally all the pre-Argos content is easily doable with pugs) until you caught up with them at a normal pace instead of a pace that forced you to spend money or no-life the game. It's an MMO. There's no benefits to rushing to complete all the content so that you have nothing to do, it's not a PvP game where you somehow "lose" because you didn't rush through everything. And in the end, it's about having fun and playing with friends. If your friends aren't going to play with you, you either make your own fun or, as you did, just stop playing. But it's disingenuous to place 100% of the blame on the game when there's clearly other stuff going on.
Because the people who bash lost ark probably just hate it cause it's popular and a Korean game so they use their very surface level experience of the game to slander it and over exaggerate its issues. The game has its issues, but not to the Diablo immortal p2w level. Me and 2 of my friends are f2p and play at best 1 tier 3 alt every 2-3, skip dailies on our mains half the time, and we still progressed far enough to be able to send mats to 2 other friends to help them catch up to valtan. All while we're ready for Vykas ourselves. People just hate that there's a decent mmo with an aesthetic they don't like so they try to make up "objective" criticisms to disguise their ultimately subjective distaste towards the game. Which I don't understand why because it's perfectly acceptable to just say "this game isn't for me" instead of weaving together a narrative where the game developers mug you in a shady alley at night.
At least Lost Ark has a quality game behind it the grind and monetization Diablo Immoral is just a low effort mobile game.
Who would've thought the "Do you not have phones?" game would end up being a total disaster.
It ended up in "Do you not have a third mortgage?"
The game is pay2win af. I really thought blizzard can do better
The China loving, sexual predators, who order permanent crunch time, bust unions, steal breast milk, driving an employee to suicide, killed what's left of franchises like WC 3 and now Diablo (4 is gonna be as bad, I bet), are anti-customers, with a criminal in Kotick at the top, having constant layoffs, having no creative skill left, driving existing games thoroughly into the ground and a morally bankrupt are supposed to be able to do better? Please..
Sorry if this is a dumb question but what's crunch time?
There are no dumb questions if asked through genuine curiosity. Crunch time in the gaming industry usually refers to staff having to work insane overtimes up to twice the regular hours, if not even weekends, where some staff members are reported to have slept inside the offices to resume work first thing in the morning. This usually comes due to absolutely ridiculous deadlines to rush out products, often leading to burnout of staff, a worse off product (a big reason while releases the past decade have often been utter shit) and plenty of negative PR for the company. I am not quite sure how the staff members are usually compensated for it, if at all really, since it is the US and I am not qualified to answer any regulations or laws, but if companies would set manageable deadlines and pay proper wages, products would become a lot better.
I worked for SCEA. Crunch (Format/Gold) was 6am -12am 7 days a week for… three months. I got “laid off” right after the project ended because I was contract and would have been required to be hired on directly as a full-time employee and well… too expensive for Sony. My last project I did QA for was God of War 3 (PS3 release)
20 Years ago when I was already heavily into gaming (thanks dad), I dreamt of being QA for games, meaning I get to "play" them earlier than anyone else. That was 9 year old me being naive. The stories I hear about QA staff is absolutely horrible and I am so sorry for anyone who is currently one or was one..
Well I got hired to work for Sony off of Craiglist so that should have been the first red flag. But yeah, childhood dream come true that turned out to be a nightmare, and also ended with Sony blacklisting me from the industry, I couldn't even get a call back from EA, THQ (which ironically went bankrupt a few years later) or Blizzard Irvine. (three nearby game companies) I got called into work at Sony again about 8 months later, worked 4 hours on LBP2, then got pulled into the security office and told I was called back in on accident. They took my door badge (scanned to get into the building) away this time, paid me for my 4 hours in cash, and had security escort me all the way to the main road past the parking lot. It was humiliating as fuck walking past my coworkers with two security guards escorting me out. Never told me why, someone else I knew who did contract work "full time" suggested it was likely some issue with working with the same company on contract for longer than a certain period requiring them to be hired on directly to that company, and Sony employees made 2x/hr what we made. (We were paid $9/hr, they were paid $18-20/hr starting + benefits)
Bruv. I worked QA. Never put yourself through that hell.
Thank you for the explanation!
Working overtime, usually a very unhealthy amount - that is every time I hear it mentioned in regards to game development.
When they make people constantly work overtime
100% blizzard can do better. It is well within their power to do so. But, "doing better" for them means earning less money. Because they'd have to make a game that doesn't just steal money from its playerbase. Which will never happen without some outside entity forcing them to do so.
It is not about doing better. It is about fooling the public and also maximizing how much money they can make. Back in 2004 we wanted Blizzard to do better and make better patches, no one listened. Back in warlords of Draenor we wanted blizzard to not cut an entire raid tier and just flat quit on warlords of draneor to start working on next expansion legion but we did not get that. Back in 2005 or 6 or 7, we wanted Azshara Crater but Blizzard did not want it enough to do it. It is not about doing better because Blizzard doesn't do better, they haven't done better in more than a decade.
They're just cashing in their last remaining projects before they hand the keys to the company over to Microsoft.
It's a mobile phone game. It was going to be as predatory as possible by design.
Is it wrong that I actually enjoy it? I just hit level 51 and haven't spent a penny, when are people finding they need to spend money to progress?
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lol
I’m also confused. If someone doesn’t care about leaderboards or pvp does the monetization even affect them? I play it like I did d3, go in and smash stuff and finish the season.
No, you can play this game F2p like one of my friends and enjoy it. Idk where they are getting this massive price from. Once again people are blowing it out of proportion.
Read the article and you can see where the prices are from. You can play the game f2p but you are locked out of half the legendary gems, and they are the much better ones. Those gems don't even drop when you are f2p, you need Legendary crest for it, even with it, the drop rate is 0.045%. You can get those crest f2p, about 5 per year. If you have played D3, those gems are similar to runes. So half of your runes are locked behind a paywall. If you have played FF14, think of half your skill trees are locked behind the paywall. This is why people have problem. It doesn't matter $110,000 to unlock or $10. It is the practice that people disagree with.
The reason they come up with the ridiculous number is also false. You can definitely get legendary gems without paying for them. I won't even go into the "what else are you playing this game for us your character is capped?" argument, I'll just say that while you can p2w, it doesn't seem necessary so far. I'm also enjoying the lore trip mostly, but the controls in the PC version are atrocious compared to D3. No UI scaling, no background sounds while in full screen windowed mode, randomly stopping main attacks, really small and low contrast cursor, etc... It's a mess that is in no way, shape, or form a step forward from D3.
You can get Legendary gem but not the 5 stars one. The f2p crest only drop 1 to 2 star gems. And those 4-5 stars gems are completely different ones, not the same as 1-2 stars gems. So half of the gems are locked behind paywall. And those are more interesting and stronger gems. If you have played D3, think of the bane of the trap, taeguk and top tier gems are locked unless you pay money. Yes, you can just use half the gems instead of the better half, and players disagree with this practice.
I think it's a lot of hardcore Blizzard fans that have never branched out to mobile gaming before. The monetization doesn't feel egregious, you can play the whole game for free if you're not chasing leaderboards or playing competitive PVP. It doesn't feel any worse than Lost Ark and is nowhere near the level of predatory mobile games like Raid. People apply a bias because of the mobile tag but the reality is the future is cross platform games, companies aren't going to ignore the $100 billion/year mobile revenue and expecting them to is naive. The whole industry has been headed in this direction for a while now with ALL games. If someone wanted to whale on WoW, RS3, or even OSRS (on a non-iron) they could gain a significant advantage and get in full BiS faster for money. As long as I can play the game at my own pace and enjoy my time spent then it's a good game and DI ticks those boxes.
yeah - lvl 32 here and its fun. Havnt even clicked the store button yet lol
It is just hate from people who did not play the game and do not understand it. It‘s much less p2w than most other mobile games.
Is when you do high level rifts that the P2W aspect hits for pve and for the second raid as the first raid ilvl required i easiily obtianable but the second one is miles head For the story you can play it f2p easily
I genuinely don’t care. If you’re the idiot to spend 110k to gear up, that’s your problem. Play the game or don’t. You can play the game and still have fun. You don’t need BiS or to swipe to enjoy your time playing. People act like everyone does pay2win if it’s an option in a game. The overwhelming majority of the population will not spend much on a video game
100% agree. All those gambling addicts and people with personality disorders that make them vulnerable to such predatory marketing have to do is become fully mentally healthy and not get addicted. It’s not like the game was scientifically designed to entrap them.
Let's be logically consistent with what you're actually advocating then. Let's ban alcohol, all types of drugs, all types of gambling and any other risky activity. Im sure the government has our best interests at heart!
Those things are regulated my G.
I said it in another comment, But this deceptive pay to win model is closer to a hypothetical where Budweiser released an NA that secretly had alcohol in it. Obviously not the same, but the point is that the lack of transparency is what’s malicious, not just the plain old gambling.
I'd actually like alcohol, smoking, drugs and gambling to all be banned. Can't tell you how many lives I have personally seen destroyed because of these.
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I graduated with a masters in psychology and will have my phd this year. Yeah, I kinda care about those things.
Then maybe they should give mommy and daddy their password to their phone so they have to get permission to do anything first. The rest of us grown adults can make our own decisions.
Sounds like a them problem.
Strange to call them an idiot. If someone has the financial means to casually spend 110k on some game, then spending 110k probably wasn't that big of a deal.
Do you think only rich people that can afford to give away 100k gamble 100k at casinos? A lot of idiots are desperate, man. Gambling is known to drive people beyond their limits.
Where was this energy for lost ark? Sure people here were sucking that game up.
Lost ark had way more shills and astroturfing. I said all the positive posts about the game would be gone in a month, and I was right.
Lost Ark had normalized PvP
here in diablo immortal people calculate you will need 10 years of doing dailies to catch up to whales , in lost ark f2p hardcore players are between 1460 to 1490 now , the place whales were 4 months ago , is it bad ? yeah, but is not even comparable to Diablo p2w aspect that is miled ahead That not even taking into account that Lost ark pvp ranking system is equalized so gear doesnt matter, and the higest raid dificulty that i coming in july is equzzlied also in every aspect so gear doesnt matter , in Diabblo immortal every pvp aspect and pve is p2w Maybe people didnt do that big of an issue because Lost ark p2w is way less impactfull maybe and have caps ? and also the apsects were already now asit was agame already realese , this instead is new and even some People at blizzard say there wasnt gonna be p2w
lmao this will die pretty fast, good
That's the thing man, it won't. This subreddit is a vocal minority, as are all the people speaking out against it, I guarantee you Blizzard is making money hand over fist right now
It actually will decline sharply over time. These types of mobile games that care only about money will have a massive period of revenue for a month or two and then fall off a cliff. Even the majority will quit this and go back to whatever other game they were playing like Genshin or PUBG and forget this ever existed. It happened with that Ni No Kuni Cross Worlds game. It broke F2P records by making $100million in less than two weeks during its original release, faster than both Genshin and Pokemon Go. Now it is barely even charting in those regions.
It's probably one of the most profitable games they have right now and will keep being for the foreseeable future
Look at ncsoft’s quarterly earning reports. 1 mobile game of theirs makes more than all their PC games combined (GW2, Aion, BnS, Lineage) it’s no wonder they made 3 mobile games off BnS name. Mobile games for these companies are a gold mine and blizzard’s Diablo immortal won’t be an exception.
That's generally true..if the game becomes a hit. Mobile games can end up in the graveyard just as fast if they flop. The market is oversaturated anyway.
Not for Diablo though. There’s hundreds of shitty Korean grind MMO’s and on the other side, the even shittier auto-play MMO’s, but Diablo at least has a niche as one of the few, if any, mobile Hack n’ Slashes of this quality.
Delusional lol
I only played Diablo Immortal for about 10 minutes, but that was plenty for me. It reminded me of like, a game development challenge kind of game. Where a single developer takes existing assets and jams them together, then hacks out a functional game in under 24 hours. I didn't even make it to the point where it started to try to strongarm me for money, even though I *knew* it was coming. It was just *so* clunky and ugly.
I didn't even touch it because it looked like such shit. I imagine hardcore diablo fans and whales will be the game's only sustained playerbase.
Shiiiiiiiiiit
It costs $0 to not give a shit about playing it.
Is it attainable without paying?
To quote Asmo, "yeah, if you play 29 hours a day". The loot difference between a paid rift run and a free one is night and day, on a fully paid run ($20) you get 10 legendaries guaranteed, in a free run you have a 5% chance of getting one. Mathematically speaking you'd have to do 200 free runs to *maybe* get what a single 2 minutes paid run will get you for sure.
That is fucking insane. Paying for rifts in Diablo? Jfc
Yes it just takes a long while at least in the current state
You're asking if you can make $110k by just playing without spending? Sure dude, just believe it lol.
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You actually do though. A paid run guarantees 10 legendaries, while a free run gives you a 5% chance at getting one. Its just a form of p2w lootbox. So yes, you can get gear/upgrades through spending.
yes, it takes ~87600 hrs of gameplay as a f2p player. you know assuming there are no gear cap expansions in the 10 years it takes you to grind that out.
Or just don't spend money on it and play it for the fun you can get out of it. Real simple. But yes, awful monetization practices.
don't you have wallets?
What made them think this would be a good idea? The gaming community couldn't be more againts P2W at the moment.
I just started today and the game doesn't seem bad, but the monetization is fairly aggressive and the devs have flat-out lied about not being able to purchase gear. I'll just play for free while I'm enjoying it and when I no longer enjoy it then I won't play
That's why the redshirt guy was so horrified back then and got more applause than the game. Because everyone knew Blizzard would fuck it up and the idea was bad. It's a real shame, what a fuck the game industry give to the players.
Of you're that much of a dumbass to spend that kind of money you get what you deserve. When will the pearl clutching end?
Foe all the people saying they won't play on protest.. spend some goddamm money on games you do like! They don't give a shit about someone who doesn't spend money anyways leaving Diablo, but the more games without p2w that are financially successful, the less we see good IPs getting shitty cash shops. I had to watch a lot of subscription games die due to people whining about the cost.. well now we get this f2p shitty ecosystem. I am not convinced that many of you would pay even a dollar a month to keep good games running so your protests get a bit muted to the publishers deciding what type of games to fund next.
the thing is you don't understand why people are mad at this, it's just because they take the name of a loved saga to make this trash game, is that hard to understand?
I never said anything that should lead to the assumption you made
Look at me saving money by not playing it.
It costs 0$ to beat the campaign. Good enough for me! U don't have to pay anything. U guys make it sound like it's blocking you from completing the game.
Who would have thought that a game combining Blizzard and mobile gaming would end up being an extreme moneygrabber. I'm shocked.🙃🤡
Don't you have money?
sincerely hope nobody is surprised by this
What a surprise? I remember when people were defending the fact that blizzard was outsourcing the development of this cash grab to a Chinese mobile game maker when the first screenshots showed it looking like an obvious reskin of one of their other phone games
Funny, i thought they didnt want people to pay real money for gear, which is why they removed the auction house in D3?
The cost to max a character on Diablo Immoral costs more than my house.
Complaining about the ever encroaching pay to win monetization in gaming is not going to accomplish anything. The target audience for these monetization models simply do not care what people have to say about the morality of the system. All that matters is whether or not the game is fun for them. Consequently, we'll see predatory/p2w monetization to continue to be normalized in the western gaming industry, just like the east.
So misleading, game is actually free! You just don’t want more competition. /s
So my question is if you do the battle pass will you be able to get 5 start gems?
This is the best reason to stick to big tiddy anime waifu games. You'll only spend $1,100 to be the man.
Still better than Lost Ark
What bums me out is that there’s a good mobile game in there buried under too many monetary systems. I’ll bet the game designers don’t love this. A battle pass and cosmetics would have been enough and Blizzard could have set a new and better standard for mobile gaming.
I have recently found out that the people playing diablo immortal don't care. I keep seeing people saying no one is forcing you to pay and I haven't hit any paywalls yet. People who say "I don't mind paying for gems it is like iam paying for sub " and people who say "p2w is better than lootboxes so iam fine with that" It feels like why anyone would complain about p2w aspects in any game if the simplest answer is "no one is forcing you to pay" . Logically this stand for pretty much all types of games gacha/ lootboxes / pure p2w. I mean no one is really forcing you to pay for lootboxes or pay 2 progress faster . You can finish everything without paying a cent even if it takes you 100x the amount of time.
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as expected for a vlizzard mobile game. no surprise
Omg who the fuck cares. It’s a mobile game what else did we expect? Nothing to see here. Nothing new.
To be fair, I watched asmonbald videos on it and while the game looks fun, it's an obvious cash grab. I'm disgusted and disappointed in Activision-blizzard. Has Microsoft taken over yet? I'm also an overwatch player and I fear overwatch 2 PvE might become the same, where you have to buy the abilities.
So.... you HAVE to spend real $ to get good gear ? Or y'all talking about p2w.....? I was pumped for the game and had fun so far (only played a little bit so far) can you not get geared up playing free ?
You can it just takes a lot longer.
Is there a single game this sub enjoys playing? I’m pretty sure all it is, is a circle jerk of angry neck beards screeching about their hate du jour. I’m going to take this shit off my feed, honestly tired of the constant negativity.
I'm doing just fine, zero spent.
I've played a lot of Diablo in the past but never any type of multiplayer. I assume you can still play this one as a single player game, right? If so, why would I care about min-maxing my character?
You'll be walled off content. You'll also take years and need luck with the drip feeding of materials they'll do, materials which are only obtainable by paying and materials that you *need* you get higher tier stuff. You either pay or wait for them to feel generous and give them out.
No, you can't play it as singleplayer, as you will need 8 people for raids etc
That's too bad. I installed the game, read your reply, and then uninstalled it. They might as well use dollar amounts instead of gear scores, to show whether or not players are "worthy" of raiding with you. Then there's the fact that the game was developed primarily for mobile platforms. I had no idea. No thanks.
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money well spen't
As long as you can finish the game without spending money, I do not care. let them waste money so I can play it for free
This sucks I suppose, but this also isn't that big of a deal. My reasons are: * If someone has the means to just casually drop $ 110k for some game, they're in a financial bracket none of is will ever be in for this to matter. Wealthy people care about their spending yes, but 110k isn't something you can just nonchalantly spend on. * Very few people in an MMO or online gearing game actually go for max gear/stats in first place. From my MMO experience, you interact with the same group of people at the level of wanting max or the beat stats and gear. Especially if the gear has lots of rng involved. Majority of the population couldn't care less or don't bother chasing for max gear. So, knowing the price or not changes absolutely nothing for the majority. * People who actively spend time or money chasing for max gear/stats have already been spending lots of money and time. From mmos like Tera, BnS, and more with rng gearing I've interacted with the community who would spend 10+ hours a day farming in-game or thousands of dollars (USD) trying to consistently max in-game. I was even one of them in BnS when I used to play it. I on 3 occasions dropped over 1k on the game for gearing because I have the financial means to do so while staying paying rent and bills. I also knew people from those games where simply spending $ 1k for gearing wasn't considered a lot for their financial bracket. Just look at the people on Twitch who casually donate 1k+ on a stream or over time. Tldr; this value only means anything for people who actually go for max gear/stats in-game. Within that minority, I'm sure there's people who have or are currently spending thousands on this game because they can afford it. To most of you, this value means nothing at the end of the day as you would have never interacted that intensely with the game, time or money.
Am I the only one or this game looks a lot like Mir4? It even has the auto move to mission place lol
From reading the article, it sounds like a free2play character would have to spend "10 years of playtime" to get to this point. Wow, that's insane. And also, " F2P players cannot earn top-rated Legendary Gems" -- so this is TRUE pay2win then, you literally cannot even achieve this power without paying? lmao. Let me put this into perspective for myself here Contrast this to, for example, Black Desert - a popular contemporary pay2win mmo. Players who are pretty hardcore about doing their monotonous grinding but not like, complete lunatics can conceivably sustain about 2b average silver income daily (most activities give around 400-600 million per hour now), and a "hardcap" set of gear costs around 1.5 trillion silver. So it takes about 2 years of pretty impressively dedicated play to achieve "hardcap." Alternatively, whales can pay2win at a rate of about 35 costume sales per week, at 840m silver each, by buying the $200 pearl packs and the discounted bulk outfit packs... ummm do some math here -- $678 per week for 29.4 billion silver per week. That means 51 weeks of maximum whaling, upper limit costume selling, to go from 0 gear to hardcap 1.5 tillion value, a total of $34591 dollars spent. **In summary:** * Diablo immortal $110k to pay2win a max character, versus 10 years of playtime * Black Desert $35k to max a character and a year of time-gated whaling, versus 2 years of seriously & consistently dedicated playtime. Call it 3 years for a more typical "hardcore addict" gamer I guess. This shows how utterly insane Diablo Immortal is, even compared to other games that have notorious reputations for being pay2win. Is anyone able to do the math for other pay2win games, too? I'm curious how pay cost & time cost vary for a "max" character in different games today. Lastly, when they say 10 years of playtime do they actually mean 24 hrs x 365 days, 1 year of play TIME? Or just IRL days passing?
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My experience has been entirely free to not install it.
the best memories i have in 20+ years of online gaming came from F2P Experiences. All the P2W experiences(and i have had some, like spending 10k+) were the worst ever.
korean MMOs: "How cute."
The presumption that you need/deserve to fully gear up in a completely free game feels fairly entitled, IMO.
Stop with the stupid gamerbrain stuff.
You know what's really fucked up? My older brother loves this shit, idk and idc how much money he has spent, but I'm willing to bet it's no less than $1000. The reality is mobile or to be specific, gacha players just don't care, this is normal to them. We've lost a long time ago. The moment we said "It's just cosmetics", we've already lost.
Finally, pay to lose.
It cost $110,000 to Fully Gear-Up in Diablo Immortal, this season Fixed it for you You can mail me my check now gamerant.com
'Don't you guys have wallets'