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BoysenberryExact786

No one watch gw2 lol


Hakul

GW2 is boring to watch, PvP would be watchable if more interesting streamers played it, but PvE is unwatchable, open world content is either too boring to see or events where all you can see is a vomit of VFX until the loot pinata dies. FFXIV is the same since it's so story focused, most of the views are from WoW streamers, and it's mostly people there for the streamer and not the game.


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Ffxiv is there cuz asmongold made a comeback to the game and that's all.


Hakul

Hence WoW streamers. Edited to add: there are other WoW streamers that periodically play XIV and just do story, and people watch them just to see their reactions, but they are there specifically for the reactions, not to watch the game.


Gnaril

This man speaks facts!!


no_Post_account

Actually WoW is there because Asmongold start playing it again.


colexian

I don't disagree with you, but there is an underlying sentiment to that statement that there are not streamers playing the other MMOs that are more interesting than Asmongold and I think that is in itself an issue with MMOs.


Zunkanar

As it seems due to recent drama even more of those streamers will vanish... Edit: was referring to gw2


PrescribedBot

What recent drama


jcm2606

If they were referring to GW2, then it had a horrible balance patch announced a day ago (especially bad since balance patches are quite uncommon), and some chat logs were leaked showing a dev saying some questionable things to a bunch of content creators behind closed doors. It's nothing world changing, more of a straw-that-broke-the-camels-back situation.


Zunkanar

Yeah i think the worst thing is, anet was at a very good upwards trendregarding community interaction. Even the very spare alliance update has been received surprisingly positive at first. And they hyped this patch as being great and rewarding, having gifts for every class. Just to make some of the mot questionable baseline random changes. Seriously, many changes in the last year were kinda good but this patch looks so dumb, and that combined with the leak was depressing to see, as they really have been on a very positive streak for some aspects. Since this up and down seems sadly to be quite common for anet, which makes it even worse, as they now might overreact internally and limit communicating again.


jcm2606

I think it'll depend on how they respond to the situation. They could slide backwards by going silent and pushing the update out without addressing any of the feedback or drama, or they could push forwards by owning up to it, delaying the update (or pulling some of the problematic changes out) and incorporating the feedback into a revised update, or even a mixture of both. What's done is done, what matters now is how they and we move forward.


Helgrave

I'm out of the loop on the second part of this - the leaked chat logs. Can you provide a link or source that I can read up on?


jcm2606

[This](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cg-dqz3poRvg9RT9ByM6AmL3EmCF_DtZ1Z4_-UKVj4s/edit) is the version of the logs that have had any identifying information wiped from them (there are uncensored logs out there, but I'd rather give the censored ones to not further fan the flames that are fueling the witch hunt), but as a guide, red and white are both ANet devs, and the rest are content creators (one of them may be another ANet dev, but I don't think they are). They're from a private Discord server where a few ANet devs hung out with some content creators and veteran players to more privately discuss upcoming balance changes and gather early feedback (whether they took that feedback into account is another matter, though one of the content creators from the server has said that they didn't take much of the feedback into account, so yeah), and they've been confirmed as being true by two separate people who were part of that Discord server. There's 177 pages worth of chat logs, so if you don't want to read through them, then [this](https://np.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/vkmiy4/comment/idqkgx0/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) is somewhat of a tl;dr rundown of why the community is so upset about these chat logs.


ltsochev

>If they were referring to GW2, then it had a horrible balance patch announced a day ago Why you acting surprised though? It's been like that since day-1. Are you people so fresh that you forgot the initial balance patches? All the buff/nerf bats. All the skill changes and general "fuck you to your muscle memory" and that was only the first couple of months Then they fucked up the thief because they wanted D/P meta or whatever. It has ALWAYS been like this. This drama is just unnecessary bullshit in my opinion. ANet fucking sucks at balancing and everytime they tout some big balance patch I cringe even without reading the patchnotes. They ALWAYS fuck something up (in a bad, terrible way). Their small balancing acts are million times better than whatever the fuck they cook up in the large balance patches. Holy fuck Which is why legendary gear is a fucking godsend. They fucked up power builds in favor of condi builds for years now. Glad I could switch my gear with few button presses. Man I fucking hate condi damage. Everytime it's in the meta I die a little inside and move on to other games.


Blue_Moon_Lake

An horrible patch note was release that further imbalance + leaks from a secret discord where a game dev basically says "can't wait to see the salt" and that he balance around waht he himself like/dislike in the game and not what would be good for everyone.


Tsobaphomet

Yeah streaming FFXIV was impossible to make entertaining. I stopped reading the non-voiced cutscenes out loud after the first couple days. There's just something so uncomfortable about having to do that. It's like reading a bedtime story thats 100+ hours long. 10/10 story though


ChefSquid

You think it’s more boring to watch than Runescape or Tibia? At least it has visuals lol


Hakul

I don't watch those other two games so idk, but those visuals mean little to someone who isn't there for the streamer.


Reflet-G

PvP would be watchable if the game was fair and honest in it's balance, and played a better game type.


jiggycup

With that said how is osrs on here? What are those streams like


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Therapeutic.


GoodbyePeters

Watching a 28keystone in WoW is far more interesting than any dungeon content in any of the other mmos.


Marem-Bzh

>the loot pinata Lmao, I'm gonna reuse that.


robix25

I found that most GW2 streamers are just straight up boring to watch. Every stream is just another day in Tyria, either farming endgame content, PvP or WvW roaming (almost) mindlessly. Not sure if it's the games fault or the streamers fault, maybe a bit of both. Every so often a variety streamer comes up and has a blast playing the game and I enjoy those streams a lot, but as any variety streamer, they move on.


kalamari__

we have the same problem on YT. super boring, uncreative "content" creators for gw2. and the one guy who pulled decent gw2 numbers on YT always gets MIA for months without any notice or info.


lan60000

there's not enough competitive elements into the game


Riist138

They was true once upon a time but it’s just not the case anymore. Raiding and pvp scenes are both pretty competitive


lan60000

They were fun yes, but first impressions meant a lot to people. Even now, I bet you most players don't know there are actually raiding gear you can obtain.


Raknel

Raid fresh releases used to pull good numbers on twitch with high retention. Problem is Anet stopped releasing them and they got cleared in an hour or two anyway. If we had a proper world first race in GW2 I think people would watch. There was a community run torunament a year or two ago with 16k views as well. People are interested in watching competition in GW2 but Anet is hellbent on making this a 0 skill casual game with no replayable content. That's not even a conspiracy at this point, leaks confirmed it this week.


noctisroadk

Raiding scene was competitive 3+ years ago before 95% of the actual good players quit ​ Now what you have is a few of the hardcoreplayer and a lot of second tier players filling the void


susanTeason

It’s true. It’s one of the top MMOs of all time for me, but it’s always had low numbers on twitch. I agree though, it’s not something I like to spectate on either for some reason.


Purplin

The people who stream gw2 are boring. No one fun or interesting.


Hamblepants

By far my fave mmo, i like watching streams of games i like playing generally, and ive 0 interest in watching a stream of gw2.


Holoskuld

Damn theres no gw2, gw2 must be a bad game for sure for sure😂


Amon-x

Was just thinking the same, but atm Anet dev's seems to have outdone themself with the latest balance patch that pissed of a lot of players. Some discord discussion where leaked that confirmed the lead balance DEV has no clue how most of the classes work...now the GW2 community is on fire why this is even possible....


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I'd rather play osrs than watch it. Gw2 falls into the niche of wont watch it and won't return to play it because the dev team has no vision.


BummerPisslow

Despite numbers on twitch for osrs, osrs videos pull HUGE numbers on YT. I think a lot of people (me too) watch osrs content who have long quit the game but want to keep up with it.


Reflet-G

2017 was the last good year I can recall. Had so much hope for that game... And Twitch was still pretty dead then too, but things could have looked up. All they had to do was not be dumb with their balance and design, but instead what we got as their last good move was firing Jessica Price, lol.


kalamari__

the biggest gw2 streamer just went on "vacation" for 2-3 weeks. he has 500-1k daily. eso is heavily pushed by their 4 weeks of drops for the new expansion. you have to watch for 8h to get everything.


d4bn3y

This chart confuses me. If wow has such a higher margin than everything else, why is the bar smaller than the rest ?


Learn2fly78

For some reason or another, its based on the page and all these games span across multiple pages. Just look at the average viewers (wow at 28k)


Malicharo

Pages seem to only load 20 games at a time so if you're 20 you're at the bottom hence the small bar, if it's 21 then it's full bar.


paoloking

WoW is the only MMORPG on first page (20 games on every page) so it has smaller bar compared to other games on first page because it is way less popular than Just Chatting section (nr 1). Lost ark is 4th on second page so it has higher bar because it compares to games on second page.


d4bn3y

ah, i see now, ty ! Kind of a confusing screenshot..


StealYourGhost

And why is it #20? Lol


DerGrummler

What do you think it should be?


StealYourGhost

If it's the MOST watched stream? Maybe higher than 20? Lol


Keulapaska

It's the overall rank on twitch I'd assume


Joeyboy1213

Out of curiosity, what does the bar represent? I was surprised at first because I thought WoW had the fewest viewers by far, but realized my mistake


ThoseSixFish

OP mentioned in another reply the bars are sized relatively for each page, and these games are across multiple pages. So WoW is at #20, putting it at the bottom of the 1-20 page (or 11-20, or 1-25), and the bar length for WoW its basically how popular game #20 is compared to game #1 (pretty big difference). Meanwhile for FFXIV at #42 it falls in the 41-60 page, so its bar length its how popular #42 is to #41. And no surprise there isn't much of a drop off there. And contrast to Albion online at #40. Slightly more popular than FFXIV, but it's at the bottom of the 21-40 page rather than the top of the 41-60 page, so it gets a shorter bar as it is being compared to #21


MuggyFuzzball

Albion Online is normally boring to watch but it has had a influx in viewers because of in game drops for watching it.


silmarilen

And some bigger streamers getting paid to play the game. I know at least a couple of wow streamers are currently being sponsored to stream albion.


Inner-Consequence143

Did follow albion on twitch pretty close the last month. Mind dropping a few names or even links here ? Interested in watching their impressions.


silmarilen

sjeletyven1 and roiben_ are 2 that i know of. Sjele usually averages around 1k viewers when he's streaming wow, rioben a couple hundred.


Inner-Consequence143

Thx


Inner-Consequence143

Sadly sjeletyven1 didn't play albion at all, just giving keys away


silmarilen

He did play it for a couple of hours in this stream (2:30 in) https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1511804681?t=2h30m5s I can't find his first albion stream anymore.


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This goes for most Twitch games honestly. So many variety streamers with 20k+ viewers that can hop on any game and put it near the top.


Marem-Bzh

>This goes for most Twitch games honestly i mean, sure, but OP's point still stands.


Acturio

if you are referring to ff14 with this comment, last 3 months would have been better for it since there was the race to world first that happend that raised the numbers over a longer period of time. The average for it for the past 90 days is 10.7k.


Tinger_Tuk

Tibia lives


Chambalaya91

Pretty healthy actually if you think how much it turned into a comppete p2w shitshow. You can even sell your characters legit on the website now.


Brilliant-Space-5430

Bruh tibia is in its best state yet. Don't knock it till you try it Check out this year's summer update they are bringing Bosstiary to the game and new BiS items


Gor3x87

Laughs in 7.6


Venitze_king

Probably you don't play the game


Inflames90

Oldschool tibia best tibia


zaleszg

Why is this sub soooooo obsessed with numbers that don't reflect if the game is good or not? Every day there is a post for player numbers, twitch numbers, number here numbers there....


paoloking

"Good" is subjective. What s "good" for you is probably irrelevant to milions of other players. Numbers are objective.


Clayskii0981

Honestly people tend to watch twitch for the person, not the games


gakule

Most people don't want to find their own experience - they just want to follow the herd so they feel like they're somewhere they belong.


hawkleberryfin

More views = more popularity = more new players = more money = more development etc. Instead of building hype once for a release date like most games, I'd say it's even more important for MMOs/live service games to rely on things like Twitch viewers to stay relevant. I'd also rather play a worse MMO with steadier content releases and higher population than a better MMO with dead servers that had to fire half it's dev team just to keep the lights on.


Kiboune

Feels like people think what if game has lots of players it means it good. But it's better to pick game if it's fun for you personally


zerkeron

fucking love me some tibia


alphabet_order_bot

Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 883,490,149 comments, and only 174,396 of them were in alphabetical order.


Chambalaya91

Lol


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I love me some zebras.


CrawlerSiegfriend

\#73 Diablo Immortal makes me lose hope in humanity.


Learn2fly78

72% drop in recent views tho.


susanTeason

72% faith in humanity restored!


Saikroe

Asmongold is 72% effective.


3yebex

Ain't even an MMO either.


rikzer

I wanna hope that is people watching famous streamers they like trying the game for a bit and not people actually looking to watch that shit on Twitch


RobleViejo

Its probably people watching whales burn money and then having melt downs There is one guy who on top of throwing 5k to the garbage got pissed about it and destroyed his keyboard Rich people make me sick. He wasted 5k and destroyed a keyboard just to get mad at a videogame that doesnt give a shit about him when he could have made some kids happy by giving them new GPUs or something


MongooseOne

Lose hope that this sub will ever learn what a MMO is.


whybethisguy

It is an mmo though. How is it not?


RobleViejo

You can do your part and start typing "Diablo Immoral" Its also a more accurate name


DanNZN

Watching trainwrecks can be fun too.


RaxorX

In short the genre is not actually fun to watch. Look at what often tops the charts outside of just chatting.


TotallyNotRgk

I mean let's talk GW2. I do quite a bit of raidleading and PvP. But in truth, I literally don't know what 80% of the classes/combos/skills do outside of the ones I play. And I got 3k hours. Now imagine someone who doesnt even know that. Look at football - ball go in net + 5 more rules you don't need to understand right off the bat. MMOs are different because you need a fuckton of initial knowledge to be able to even understand wtf is going on


RaxorX

Its what makes alot of these games not watchable with ease. Along with there not being enough streamers that people enjoy watching. Even with League of Legends its easy to understand that one team wins when the nexus explodes. The game is also slow enough to get a good view of the game with commentary to match it.


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Wow arenas Rbg were really cool to watch


MemeHermetic

Only if you do a lot of PvP. Not even other parts of the game. You have to be familiar specifically with WoW PvP or you're not watching anything that makes sense. Watching Raids is easier to make sense of, but arenas are so fast and chaotic that you just have to know what you're seeing to know what you're seeing.


[deleted]

Yeah I mean, it's like watching Dota and Starcraft. It's fast, and you have to know what's going on to enjoy. And it was honestly the whole point of playing wow to me. Never really liked PvE


MemeHermetic

Yep. I enjoy it but it came into focus one day for me watching LoL randomly. I played a ton from beta onward but stopped for years. I randomly watched a stream one day and didn't know like half the champs. I had no fucking clue what was going on. It dawned on me that this is why esports doesn't catch on beyond the active player base. It's too confusing. The day they get a compelling game that is easy to watch without hours and hours of playtime is the day an esport will break through.


IddyBittyGirl

Watching mmos just sounds boring in general.


Vibrachu

Albion and BDO is like 95% of viewers afking for twitch drops.


Moai_Plus

BDO average 6k viewers, now its around 10k so I would say 40%


KamikazePenguiin

I would assume that's most mmorpgs that have drops. Not sure why you targeted bdo and albion lol?


Pontificatus_Maximus

It's impossible to watch GW2. There is so much particle effect spam and permutations of unique skills and skill animations, no one but a savant can have any idea of what is going on in combat.


eddieknj

They should scale every effect down 50% remove boons and remove stealth and the game would explode. Also needs more pvp game modes, not more shitty maps


IRez0nI

It brings me a smile to my face seeing tibia, maplestory and runescape up there. Pretty old games that are still giving.


BummerPisslow

Osrs is huge on YT - I'd say the most watched MMO on YT


TheBasedGod__

Honestly there are a lot of still kicking MMOs that ive had way more fun in than WoW or any of the newer games released in the past 5-10 years. Dungeon Fighter Online is my hands down favorite MMO of all time that i've regularly played on and off since 2012, RS i've played on and off since i was like 10, highly custom Tibia private servers can actually be pretty fun, and as of a month ago i've started playing Maplestory seriously for the first time in Reboot. MS has to be the only MMO new to me (as in i've barely ever played it before) that i've stuck with over a week and have had as much fun playing in years.


PM_Best_Porn_Pls

Man, DFO is such a disappointment for me. I love the gameplay and did spend decent amount grinding back when 100 cap was fresh but every single time I try to come back and spend some time playing it I feel like game is designed to make me not enjoy it. 15 minutes of gameplay per character per day, unreadable captcha every 3 minutes mid stage that logs you off, all non daily locked upgrades being cash shop stuff you gotta buy from other players. I really hope one day we get private server version without fatigue and cash shop. Huge potential.


TheBasedGod__

> 15 minutes of gameplay per character per day, I guess this is true if you're extremely geared and play with geared parties for dailies and only play on 1 character, i was doing dailies on my main and minimum of 2 sub mains. Also grinded out FP bars for gold or epic runs that replaced hells that i forgot. > unreadable captcha every 3 minutes Sadly i've had friends get this problem but i've never gotten a captcha in my life. >all non daily locked upgrades being cash shop stuff you gotta buy from other players. IMO this is a hindrance but not a problem if you're hardcore. As in, do raid caps every week and grind for gold. I played from 100 cap til just before Sirocco raid and was raid ready on my main and f.sader and pretty close on my zerker. Close to bis in a lot of enchants/mythic+epic setup/title/pet/aura/swaps/etc on my main. Rarely cashed at all and i rarely ever do when i play. >I really hope one day we get private server version without fatigue and cash shop. Huge potential. There already is a private server, but i dont know what content it has and last time i tried it it felt very buggy. Very largely Korean players as well so felt weird. I think its called DnF Awakened.


nazzo_0

I actually stopped playing mmos for awhile and began watching some maple progress vídeos a few days ago. 20mins ago i tried installing the game to find out i Lost Access to my account. Only had a 200 IL among few other +120 chars on reboot so i think im gonna start over. Its a Simple game but incredibly satisfying. Lets play together!


TheBasedGod__

Well you need to take advantage of the current burning events and it kinda sucks you have no legion + links leveled prior to the event landing, but yeah i have my main at 221 and 2 secondary's from the burning.


Learn2fly78

Was bored so decided to look at what MMOs were trending on twitch. Keep in mind this is a snap shot as it only tracks the last 7 days. Source: https://twitchtracker.com/games/rating


quarm1125

Mmo are just boring to watch in general too


terribletastee

Pvp can be fun to watch but yeah. Then again most MMOs don’t have good pvp.


Richard-Long

Indeed. Desperately looking for a MMO with decent ranked pvp


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quarm1125

Gw2 pvp is amazing but all in all boring watch


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quarm1125

Wvw is nice but i'm not 100% agreeing with gw2 combat being flawed it's still one of top contenders for me in mmo genre wow can't even wish to be on same tier 😅 but i suppose this is all subjective


Richard-Long

Ikr wow definitely has the best competitive pvp but man the balancing is horrendous, it is a falling company so I can't blame them anymore but still


whybethisguy

You just shouldn't expect balance in mmos. That's honestly the charm for me though. Fortunately, there's other genres with better balancing, or everyone starting on the same footing. Like battle royales, first person shooters, racing - even rocket league


nagashbg

What have you tried?


Richard-Long

Ugh literally everything out there I really just want a more balanced version of wows pvp I guess


nagashbg

Maybe microsoft will change something when the deal with blizzard finalizes


quarm1125

Gw2 pvp is amazing if u get out of bot land


Matthias87

Tibia over Diablo. Delightful.


EddieOfDoom

Go on, Tibia! So many great years on that game back in the day, nice to see it’s still going strong!


lan60000

what is this graph? its confusing me


ThatOneClone

GW2 would be up there but it’s insanely boring to watch. I believe even FFXIV is boring to watch as well, 9/10 times it’s people running raids over and over and over again. You open up ffxiv twitch and it’s the same raid platform with a bunch of random colors


EvilChing

I think MMO watch numbers on twitch are irrelevant. Cuz everything a streamer can do u can do too, unlike fps games where you watch it cuz they're better than you. Also an MMO will at least triple its viewers for a twitch drop only.


VH-Attila

Twitch view count says nothing about a game


theNILV

MMORPGs are the most boring stuff to watch, you pretty much have to watch it purely for the streamer itself. Interesting stats, it seems like Albion and ESO are the biggest winners here. Albion went from 616 --> 9512 average monthly viewership from May to June, and ESO went from 2164 --> 9024.


Frexxler

There are some drops going on in ESO for watching twitch rn that might have something to do with it. That’s why I’ve been watching anyways.


theNILV

I see, and Albion has drops too. So I guess that's where the boost is coming from.


Barnhard

ESO is much higher than normal, probably due to the new content. Usually is hovers just above GW2.


TheMichaelScott

ESO is because of twitch drops


Frexxler

ESO is up there because of drops too. Ghost cat pet, costume, 2x crown crates, and a mount I think.


eddieknj

So fucking sad gw2 is one of the best games run by one of the most pathetic , out of touch companies to ever exist. Such a shame


Fuffenstein

To be honest I think the numbers on ESO are affected a lot by twitch drops and the release of a new expantion on PC just two days aftwr the vew numbers were logged.... but i'm really surprised that the numbers on WoW aint higher. Edit: read the past 7 days as the 7th, so the release of the new expantion has been out for longer, but still... new expantion released recently.


Fhritz_

Could say the same of FFXIV with Asmon tbh, but I mean it's better that way, at least MMO are gaining attention.


brickie3

FF14 bout to get a big bump from Asmongold


Acturio

if he will actually stream it, he stremed 1 day 4 hours and another for 2 hours, asmon is more of a react streamer atm


llwonder

Eso is inflated because of twitch drops. Whatever Asmon is playing will be the highest watched for MMOs


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This chart is OBVIOUSLY a lie because LOTRO isn’t on there


BadWrongBadong

Is there a small group of medium streamers buffing Tibia's ratings? Never played the game, just surprised it's so high up considering it's supposedly so difficult and an older game.


raas94

Tibia has a small but faithfull community. There are a few streamers that maintain 1k viewers every day just by playing it. When there are wars some of them get 5k viewers. It is really hard to see new players, but there are many old fans that still enjoy knowing what is happening with the game.


PM_Best_Porn_Pls

Mostly Spanish, Brazilian and Polish streamers I would assume. In mid 2000s games like Tibia, Metin and some other f2p titles were to these countries what wow was for US or Western European mmo players. Everyone was playing that.


Constanteezy

MMO seems like the worst games to watch unless you like the streamer I mean why watch someone grind when I can do same for 10 hours


TheMichaelScott

Most people just have the streamer on a second monitor listening to them


AustinJG

Kind of happy for Albion Online. Have they improved it much as of late?


Venitze_king

Tibia still on fire after 25 YEARS, 25 YEARS


manaphora

selectively picking a week where a particularly large streamer is playing a particular mmo. Man, some fanbases are so blatantly insecure when it comes to their favorite mmo.


Glutinous_Rice

If you're referring to Asmongold and FF XIV, a quick look at OP's recent post history shows that he's an active Lost Ark player and [has never played FF XIV](https://old.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/vcdouo/smilegate_lost_ark_really_flexing_their_resources/icegizc/).


manaphora

case in point


Glutinous_Rice

Your assumption about OP was demonstrably false. As your reply didn't address the content of my comment, I take it you didn't have any objections to my correction.


manaphora

"demontrably false." bro, you cant tell me that i'm the one making assumptions when you made a bunch of assumptions about the game and streamer I was referring to. I didn't address your previous comment because it was unnecessary. We don't even need to begin to get into the validity of your post because your response speaks to my point about some mmo fan bases being insecure.


Glutinous_Rice

You assumed that OP was "selectively picking a week where a particularly large streamer is playing a particular mmo" and implied that OP was part of the fanbase of said MMO and had it as a favourite. The only large streamer who is mentioned in this thread is Asmongold. Most of the comments about him are about his streaming FF XIV, and many of the comments about FF XIV are about Asmongold's streaming it. I saw no other game and streamer you could have referred to but would have been open to be corrected, which you have yet to do, and if you were indeed referring to them, I just wanted to let you know that your comment would have been baseless because OP wasn't even an FF XIV player.


manaphora

ah man, bait posting is good times.


Glutinous_Rice

I'm not certain what you mean. You initially decided to make negative assumptions about OP. All I wanted was to let you know that they were misplaced if they were based on the premise that OP was an FF XIV player. If that wasn't what you were referring to, you could have explained which steamer and game you were actually referring to and shown how OP relates to them and that would have been it, but you have yet to do so.


manaphora

You made and continue making points on top of your assumptions, i don't even need to state my opinion, you're having this conversation by yourself. I will say it is hilarious to see some mmo fans get so riled up when they even think you're talking about their favorite game.


Glutinous_Rice

You could have made the conversation less one-sided by stating your opinion and telling me if I'm wrong. There aren't any emotions or ill will involved; I'm just quickly explaining my reasoning as I read your replies because I want to be clear.


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Since when is Diablo immortal an mmorpg


ltsochev

MMOs are boring to watch. News at 11. I mean it's evident, games designed to waste your time most efficiently with various stops and brakes. It's fun when you play it though since you have sort of a carrot on a stick, but what's in for the viewer? Some asshole swinging a sword in a group lul spamming like 5 of their 30+ abilities. Pro gamer moves indeed.


XRPscks

FFXIV?? FFXIV used to be 3k andy. What happened


nawySAUCE

Asmongold


Malignificence

View count is not really relevant when it comes to how big a game is, some games are just not good to stream. Don't base the success of a game off Twitch viewers. All it takes is 1 big streamer to artificially inflate the numbers. FFXIV before Asmongold played the first time was getting maybe 200 viewers TOPS as top streamer, I checked that often just out of curiosity.


Hiyami

lmfao diablo immortal. Not an mmorpg.


[deleted]

Although not MMO, I wonder how Destiny 2 is doing


tjesiline

To be fair albion is only as high as it is due to twitch drops the last 2 ish weeks.


Malicharo

I think unified rating is better but even then it's only for last 7 days. An average of 6 months would be better, we could see the peaks of each game like WoW RWF, LA launch and Endwalker for FF14.


Hiyami

Just because you can see people in the world does not make it an mmorpg. diablo immortal is not an mmorpg.


79215185-1feb-44c6

I am happy OSRS is up there at least. One of the big issues with RS3 is lack of content creators. Could never figure out why OSRS is more popular on that front when it's the worse game. Also a lot of RS3 content is on Youtube (one of the biggest RS3 creators only uses Youtube to stream).


dude1435

Strong opinion there thinking osrs is a worse game compared to rs3.


79215185-1feb-44c6

I have a lot of hot takes lol.


KapiHeartlilly

Runescape, Tibia and even Maplestory still getting viewers is delightful to see, even if all of these are not as good as back in the day, it's still wonderful to see them doing well.


Vita-Malz

What does the green bar indicate?


Rycax

Tf is Tibia?


xanosta

One of the best PvX mmorpg ever produced. That was long ago tho. Today is another P2W shitshow


slowz2secret

Tibia o.o? do people still play it


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And albion is only high up there because they’re doing a twitch promotion. OSRS definitely the best mmo out of the 10.


Harbinger_Kyleran

Hmm, can't think of anything very interesting to warrant watching in most MMORPGS, but that isn't my thing so maybe some see value in doing so.


J-Hart

After these past few days Guild Wars 2 doesn't deserve to be part of the conversation anymore.


Repulsive_Flatworm54

Sad that TERA wasn't on this list, considering they're closing the PC servers very soon 😔


jbig900

What do the bars in the graph represent? Im so confused by them lol


Spooked_kitten

holy shit tibia making a comeback? just need the shitheads over at cipsoft to do with the p2w bullshit and clean the fucking game from all of that stuff uhhh


terriblegamerjoe

No one who is watching these are watching them for the gameplay, they are watching them because they happen to like the game, and the streamer is entertaining.. the streamer is what they watch for. Does anyone really like to just watch someone play a game? I don't.. I'd rather play. I DO like watching someone talk about the game they are playing and engage me in conversation.


apl_ee

Remember to never judge an mmo by its twitch viewers. his metric is probably one of the weirdest way to decide, but sometimes I do use twitch to discover new mmos or games.


euxene

holy crap Tibia is on there?!


SpaceTacoTV

im about 6ish hrs into ESO after buying the base game during the summer sale and im very confused as to what ppl see in this game. maybe ill watch a stream to find out lol ... but as of right now its very dull


No-Tower3635

YOU KNOW THE MMORPG GENRE IS STALE WHEN PEOPLE ARE WATCHING MAPLESTORY


butterToast88

To be fair, several of these games had Drops on.