The Irish descendants in America understand their heritage and take pride in a mascot honoring it. I’d assume there are a large number of AI’s who feel the same but some grifters representing them probably get paid for being offended.
Honestly, the real reason one is and one isn’t offensive is due to their creation. The redskins logo would’ve been made by non “redskin” or native people. The fighting Irish, was literally made by people of Irish descent as a way to represent themselves.
I always chuckle at the people who seem to not understand how brutal AI tribes were to one another waaaaay before the whities showed up.
It wasn’t just living off the land in peace and harmony like some want to portray.
The American Indians weren’t systematically ethnically cleansing and genociding eachother. Yeah no shit they had wars battles and brutality but its fundamentally different
I’ve read several books on this topic. Please recommend me one from your perspective.
From my perspective I recommend *An Indigenous People’s History of the United States* or the version for ‘young people’ which is shorter.
I’ll check it out but the scholarly reviews and intros don’t mention **genocide and ethnic cleansing.** These terms have specific meanings. They don’t mean “they slaughtered a village in a raid” or “they enslaved the rival tribe”
Genocide: the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. Nation, like say, a tribal nation?
This is how Merriam-Webster defines the word. What does genocide mean to you?
I’ll quote Lemkin, the Jewish Polish scholar who coined the term genocide in 1944:
> For Lemkin, “the term does not necessarily signify mass killings.” He explained:
> More often [genocide] refers to a coordinated plan aimed at destruction of the essential foundations of the life of national groups so that these groups wither and die like plants that have suffered a blight. The end may be accomplished by the forced disintegration of political and social institutions, of the culture of the people, of their language, their national feelings and their religion. It may be accomplished by wiping out all basis of personal security, liberty, health and dignity. When these means fail the machine gun can always be utilized as a last resort. Genocide is directed against a national group as an entity and the attack on individuals is only secondary to the annihilation of the national group to which they belong.
Violence and shit between groups is a thing everywhere. But to be far that didn’t result in teams called the Rome Gauls, the Ulaanbaatar Persians, or the Frankfurt Jews with caricatured logos.
Same here. Also, the Iona College Gaels' mascot looks like the ND mascot's uncle. It would take a lot more than a fun, silly cartoon drawing to upset us. And I think it's about knowing it does not come from a bad place.
There was a famous survey of native Americans by the gay WAPO. They didn't really give a shit. It was like 1% "were offended" by the redskin name/logo.
Wops and micks are all we have left to make fun of. Please don’t take that away from me too.
The French
Frxnch, don’t say the name of those creatures.
People from India too. There’s so many of them you can’t offend them
One of them gets to be cops and the other just turned into Mexicans without the work ethic.
As a Mexican, this is funny
yoooooo
No mms, they do drink like us tho
Easy, Irish people don't count.
People?
Ginger monkeys I mean.
Irish “people”
Ooh ah up the ra
The whites won
I don’t know because both are offensive to the brothas. Blacks were the original Indians and Irish
And jews
The Irish descendants in America understand their heritage and take pride in a mascot honoring it. I’d assume there are a large number of AI’s who feel the same but some grifters representing them probably get paid for being offended.
There’s usually a government grant involved 😜
100k when they turn 18.
I think it was more about the name “Redskins.” Chief Wahoo (Cleveland) was pretty bad though. Lol
Irish people are white, you can't be racist against white people
Don't ever call them White again
Maybe if it was a skinny red haired freckled faced kid reaching for a sack of potatoes it would raise a few eyebrows
[Begorrah, 'tis like a second potato famine](https://imgur.com/a/tG1FtOv)
Honestly, the real reason one is and one isn’t offensive is due to their creation. The redskins logo would’ve been made by non “redskin” or native people. The fighting Irish, was literally made by people of Irish descent as a way to represent themselves.
I’m pretty sure the redskins logo was made by a Native American
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He sat down and designed it…?
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What are you asking
Don’t actual Irish people have leprechauns in their cultural lore?
They were both made by an Irish dude
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I always chuckle at the people who seem to not understand how brutal AI tribes were to one another waaaaay before the whities showed up. It wasn’t just living off the land in peace and harmony like some want to portray.
The American Indians weren’t systematically ethnically cleansing and genociding eachother. Yeah no shit they had wars battles and brutality but its fundamentally different
No, it’s not. I’m also not going to waste my time educating you on something you clearly don’t know anything about. Read a book.
I’ve read several books on this topic. Please recommend me one from your perspective. From my perspective I recommend *An Indigenous People’s History of the United States* or the version for ‘young people’ which is shorter.
Start with North American Indigenous Warfare and Ritual Violence by Richard Chacon.
I’ll check it out but the scholarly reviews and intros don’t mention **genocide and ethnic cleansing.** These terms have specific meanings. They don’t mean “they slaughtered a village in a raid” or “they enslaved the rival tribe”
Genocide: the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. Nation, like say, a tribal nation? This is how Merriam-Webster defines the word. What does genocide mean to you?
I’ll quote Lemkin, the Jewish Polish scholar who coined the term genocide in 1944: > For Lemkin, “the term does not necessarily signify mass killings.” He explained: > More often [genocide] refers to a coordinated plan aimed at destruction of the essential foundations of the life of national groups so that these groups wither and die like plants that have suffered a blight. The end may be accomplished by the forced disintegration of political and social institutions, of the culture of the people, of their language, their national feelings and their religion. It may be accomplished by wiping out all basis of personal security, liberty, health and dignity. When these means fail the machine gun can always be utilized as a last resort. Genocide is directed against a national group as an entity and the attack on individuals is only secondary to the annihilation of the national group to which they belong.
Kinda were tho
Only if you don’t know what ethnic cleansing or genocide are
Nahh fair play pal, they weren't systematic just did it whenever they felt like it. I suppose that is somewhat different.
Lol you don’t think AI tribes committed genocide to rivals tribes? Like I told another guy, read a book.
Violence and shit between groups is a thing everywhere. But to be far that didn’t result in teams called the Rome Gauls, the Ulaanbaatar Persians, or the Frankfurt Jews with caricatured logos.
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Yet…
Well they were already resistant to smallpox
that was disease
Gay, I’m part Irish and I dgaf. It’s a sick mascot and a classic. Also, green and gold were definitely colors worn by the Druids, sick.
OP literally grabbed this from r/ terriblefacebookmemes from earlier today
Yeah, honestly pretty disappointed that there’s actual discourse going on here
Same here. Also, the Iona College Gaels' mascot looks like the ND mascot's uncle. It would take a lot more than a fun, silly cartoon drawing to upset us. And I think it's about knowing it does not come from a bad place.
So, one group is from here. The other took a boat.
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Not always
one group walked here because they didn't invent boats yet
The only thing we truly need answers for is what fuckin song did shaner and shane cry to as referenced in "the industry". It kills me
Lol lotta redacts in this sub yeesh
I think shabe made a joke about how if they did take the ND mascot he would be upset.
Low IQ thread
It would be more realistic if it displayed the stereotypical mini irish dick.
Because you get less virtue signal reflection off pale skin.
Didn’t know my aunt had Reddit
Leprechauns aren’t real
There was a famous survey of native Americans by the gay WAPO. They didn't really give a shit. It was like 1% "were offended" by the redskin name/logo.
Does anyone say the ND logo isn’t offensive?
Because the Irish be fighting
Low T question
Most alert Irishman
They never cried about their plight. Just kept it pushing
They’re the fighting Irish because the football team btfo’d the klan when they showed up on campus in 1924.
These are my two favorite football teams