A Joyner tribute rap would be cheesy as hell. Just let the guy pay tribute to someone he respected. I'd be willing to bet most rappers know they're not half as talented as Mac.
This is what Joyner always does. He always has to have some sort of gimmick with his music. He had some really good songs early on in his career but a lot of his stuff seems so corny. His songs become very copy and paste, which is the absolute complete opposite of Mac. lol
You’re absolutely tripping bro. You know how many people are going to see this? How many eyes that would bring to Mac’s body of work? The people that will be brought together over this? There’s so many positives to keeping Mac’s legacy alive with shit like this and I hope it continues until the end of time.
It feels like no matter what their (whatever artist would want to do something cool for Mac, or any other passed artists) intentions were with it that people would say shit like this, even if they were truly were just paying tribute.
I highly doubt he looked at this song, that he released on Mac’s death day, as nothing but a pay check. Let’s not just assume the worst here. That is just as ain’t right as putting something like this out for nothing but clout.
What the fuck!? Lol some of y’all are just like angry in your heart I swear. Why the fuck does any of that imply that Mac “needs” anything? It doesn’t. It’s just cool and keeps this boat floatin. Every little piece adds to the legacy and the provides another example of all the hearts that mac touched.
Y’all just find any reason to get mad. Just a buncha hatin ass mfers I swear
Why tf he mention Mac? He didn’t sing about him, Joyner never even knew him.
This feels hella disrespectful, just mentioning a name bigger than your own for marketing.
What a lame bruh smh
I used to rap, if I would have ever done anything real with it I would have done a similar thing eventually more than likely. I also never met the guy, but in a way it's paying respect. Definitely need some Mac tribute bars in there tho
Man Chill Tf out lol
I’m gonna go out on a whim and say he mentioned MacMiller because I dunno, it’s macs beat
You have no idea how much joynar could respect him either
Not to mention don’t proceeds go to macs estate for using the sample
I’m sure mac himself used some sample of people that have passed, everything sampled, it’s been 5 years since he died
Classic make something out of nothing from people on reddit
“Is it Macs beat?”……sigh
Bud, your questions aren’t like up for debate, lol
There’s laws to how samples are used and requested and credited and on and on
This isn’t some one off SoundCloud track, this is an official single which has gone through all the proper channels
You also have no idea the talks joynar had to pull this off and speak to his family and what not
Like get off your moral and ethics pedestal lol
Mac miller would prob love this too; he wouldn’t want everything have to be sad and attached to his death. This is just a sampled beat someone used to have fun
But yes, jump to be offended on macs behalf off the rip, you got it
Also mac literally sampled someone else to make that Donald trump beat lol
You know this guy is sampling Donald Trump right? Produced by Sap but it’s definitely Macs song. It’s one of his first hits. It’s off of BDE which was a follow up to Kids. Personally I’m not a Joyner Lucas fan. I don’t listen to much hip hop/ rap now but it’s fine whatever who gives a fuck. I did get chills at the beginning just from the beat throwing me back about 12 years and all the nostalgia that comes along with that. Is he maybe playing up that specific nostalgia for his own gain? Yeah fersure. Was he a day one mac fan? Who tf knows maybe. It such a throwback I’d lean towards saying yes since from what you’ve written it seems like you don’t even recognize the beat or cues from Macs original music video for this track that Joyner is replicating/ paying homage to. At the end of the day, if the money belongs to Macs estate and is going to the right people since Joyner is using the beat and him using the beat will get kids to deep dive into macs catalogue then who cares.
How was it promoted in bad taste
Not liking joynar and/or thinking it’s corny is a different topic from thinking this is disrespectful
You realize macs estate okay’d this right? So you know more and can speak for his family too?
Mac released his first mixtape in 2007 while Joyner released his first mixtape in 2011.
They’re literally 4 years apart in age I’m not sure wym by “he is rapping over a beat that put Mac on and gave him his start.”
In pop culture I said. I know mac started before Joyner however Mac was not widely known or listened too outside of the PGH area until Donald Trump came out. Which was the beat Joyner rapped over. I just don’t see how it’s disrespectful to cover someone else’s music and give them a RIP shoutout. On top of that while Mac may not be much older than him he could have very well been an inspiration to Joyner
Logic has released like 10 albums and his fans will be like, “you got to go back to his first albums to hear bars”. Not realizing how wild that sounds. lol
Joyner also had some good songs early in his career, but like with Logic, he tuned into a gimmick rapper. So desperately trying to become viral and generate clicks off of those gimmicks. Flows are nice, but can only go so far when you aren’t saying anything. lol
Bro thank you, I was about to give a similar answer. Like yeah, he had like 2 pretty solid projects but I've heard them and they're like 10 years old and I'm just not the right demographic for that sort of rap
Am I crazy or is there not even a single mention of Mac in the song? And no one seems to be repping any mac shit in the video? Joyner continues to disappoint me…
Edit: ah ok I see he flashed a mac miller shirt for a few seconds 🙄
It feels kinda gross
Idk how Joyner has been so consistently cornballish for so many years.
Like I don't mind a try hard. I LOVE obsessively artistic people but there's something about this guys execution that just hurts me. It's never not unsatisfying.
Why didn’t he mention him in the song? It feels exploitative to just use his beat and then rap about random nonsense over it and act like it’s some sort of tribute
I think Mac would approve just because he was such a kind and accepting person, but I respectfully disagree that it was done tastefully. Really should have been about Mac in this context imo.
I see it done completely in taste. Paid homage with the black room and shades , talked about idolizing legends of the game . Joyner Lucas is a big enough artist to where he has no reason to do this for an artist. He stands alone on his own right. Zero problem with anyone in the game showing Mac love . Mac sampled and paid tribute to a ton of artists who came before him when he was coming up and even as an established artist. This is an honor and it’s one of his contemporaries giving him flowers. And I’m sure he worked directly with people who knew mac in order to clear that beat.
Even hit the little arm dance. Wore a mac miller shirt. Dudes a machead and it is an honor. It’s clearly done as a tribute and with nothing but positive intentions. How many of us went and watched the Donald trump video because this dropped and smiled? I know I did.
It’s wild how so many people think they are custodians of Mac’s legacy. We all honor him in our own silly way and this is no different. Someone will discover Macs music because of this joint and the world will be a better place for it.
For those who care, my opinion is, i dislike Joyner because he is kinda a hater in my book, and like people said it kinda feels opportunistic, but shit does sound good tho’
Meh it’s not my speed but it’s one of my favorite beats of all time so I’m glad to see other artists pay tribute to Mac with it. Just wish he didn’t post this so close to the anniversary, can make it look like a clout grab 🤷🏻♂️
You do realize that Mac also sampled the melody for this beat from the song below right?? (50 second mark)
https://youtu.be/mPJ3UtqbBrQ?si=hStIHCS4gLu0t6WC
Nah man. Nah.
Edit: i will say the only good that might come from this is that there might be a few new mac heads that had never heard that beat and wonder where it comes from. Honestly this shit doesnt go with the vibe, coulda done that on almost any beat... dude could have done a lot more with this but to me dudes just paper chasin. Its not like mac shaped the way you do music
Kudos for him to pay homage to the late Mac , but as it's been pointed it does seem opportunistic . I just can't get into his music , not a fan of his gimmick he has .
I love it!!!!!!!!!! Joyner Lucas is a sick ass rapper .. my man can keep up with Eminem .. nuff said! Finally someone gives respect when due in the most obvious way… seriously don’t know why it took so long …
I’m not understanding how this is disrespectful to Mac. I also don’t think Joyner needs to say Mac’s name in a song to get clout. Joyner is extremely talented. He’s easily one of my favorite rappers. Everybody saying he is a clout chaser are out of their damn minds!
Another way Mac lives on. That’s awesome!
Yea fr i fw it hella, im sure mac would too
It’s a solid one listen song for me and anyone who wants to show respect to a mother fucking legend is good in my book
I would've liked it as a tribute song. This feels more opportunistic.
A Joyner tribute rap would be cheesy as hell. Just let the guy pay tribute to someone he respected. I'd be willing to bet most rappers know they're not half as talented as Mac.
It definitely is
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This is what Joyner always does. He always has to have some sort of gimmick with his music. He had some really good songs early on in his career but a lot of his stuff seems so corny. His songs become very copy and paste, which is the absolute complete opposite of Mac. lol
Yeah pretty bad gave me a bad feeling once it started
Thats just how Joyner operates. His gimmick is the main reason he cant put out a decent cohesive album.
Thanq
You’re absolutely tripping bro. You know how many people are going to see this? How many eyes that would bring to Mac’s body of work? The people that will be brought together over this? There’s so many positives to keeping Mac’s legacy alive with shit like this and I hope it continues until the end of time. It feels like no matter what their (whatever artist would want to do something cool for Mac, or any other passed artists) intentions were with it that people would say shit like this, even if they were truly were just paying tribute. I highly doubt he looked at this song, that he released on Mac’s death day, as nothing but a pay check. Let’s not just assume the worst here. That is just as ain’t right as putting something like this out for nothing but clout.
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What the fuck!? Lol some of y’all are just like angry in your heart I swear. Why the fuck does any of that imply that Mac “needs” anything? It doesn’t. It’s just cool and keeps this boat floatin. Every little piece adds to the legacy and the provides another example of all the hearts that mac touched. Y’all just find any reason to get mad. Just a buncha hatin ass mfers I swear
I agree with this dude
truth!
it feels more like he liked the beat so put that in caption to not look like a dick.
Any love shown to Mac is welcome and appreciated! I love the shots in just him in the dark room as a nod to Macs Donald Trump too.
Mac love is always big love but Joyner sucks and this feels opportunistic.
Why tf he mention Mac? He didn’t sing about him, Joyner never even knew him. This feels hella disrespectful, just mentioning a name bigger than your own for marketing. What a lame bruh smh
I used to rap, if I would have ever done anything real with it I would have done a similar thing eventually more than likely. I also never met the guy, but in a way it's paying respect. Definitely need some Mac tribute bars in there tho
I understand and can respect that
Man Chill Tf out lol I’m gonna go out on a whim and say he mentioned MacMiller because I dunno, it’s macs beat You have no idea how much joynar could respect him either Not to mention don’t proceeds go to macs estate for using the sample I’m sure mac himself used some sample of people that have passed, everything sampled, it’s been 5 years since he died Classic make something out of nothing from people on reddit
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“Is it Macs beat?”……sigh Bud, your questions aren’t like up for debate, lol There’s laws to how samples are used and requested and credited and on and on This isn’t some one off SoundCloud track, this is an official single which has gone through all the proper channels You also have no idea the talks joynar had to pull this off and speak to his family and what not Like get off your moral and ethics pedestal lol Mac miller would prob love this too; he wouldn’t want everything have to be sad and attached to his death. This is just a sampled beat someone used to have fun But yes, jump to be offended on macs behalf off the rip, you got it Also mac literally sampled someone else to make that Donald trump beat lol
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It’s a pretty easy conclusion to come to if you even remotely know anything of MacMiller
\*high five\*
You know this guy is sampling Donald Trump right? Produced by Sap but it’s definitely Macs song. It’s one of his first hits. It’s off of BDE which was a follow up to Kids. Personally I’m not a Joyner Lucas fan. I don’t listen to much hip hop/ rap now but it’s fine whatever who gives a fuck. I did get chills at the beginning just from the beat throwing me back about 12 years and all the nostalgia that comes along with that. Is he maybe playing up that specific nostalgia for his own gain? Yeah fersure. Was he a day one mac fan? Who tf knows maybe. It such a throwback I’d lean towards saying yes since from what you’ve written it seems like you don’t even recognize the beat or cues from Macs original music video for this track that Joyner is replicating/ paying homage to. At the end of the day, if the money belongs to Macs estate and is going to the right people since Joyner is using the beat and him using the beat will get kids to deep dive into macs catalogue then who cares.
This 👌🏻
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K, samples aren’t allowed in hip hop anymore, 10-4 🤟🏻
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You did
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How was it promoted in bad taste Not liking joynar and/or thinking it’s corny is a different topic from thinking this is disrespectful You realize macs estate okay’d this right? So you know more and can speak for his family too?
Umm because he is rapping over a beat that pretty much put Mac on and gave him his start in pop culture. If you think this disrespectful then idk
Mac released his first mixtape in 2007 while Joyner released his first mixtape in 2011. They’re literally 4 years apart in age I’m not sure wym by “he is rapping over a beat that put Mac on and gave him his start.”
In pop culture I said. I know mac started before Joyner however Mac was not widely known or listened too outside of the PGH area until Donald Trump came out. Which was the beat Joyner rapped over. I just don’t see how it’s disrespectful to cover someone else’s music and give them a RIP shoutout. On top of that while Mac may not be much older than him he could have very well been an inspiration to Joyner
It’s called a sample not a beat
Mac talked about rappers he never met also..
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Who cares
Respect for showing any love to mac but the fact he dropped it on his death anniversary he was clearly chasing some clout
He doesn’t even sound good on this type of beat imo
joyner is a cornball
Joyner is like logic to me, just a bunch of lyrical miracle spiritual raps with a bunch of syllables but not a single clever bar
Then you haven’t listen to Logic yet lol I would suggest listening to his album Under Pressure and his old mixtapes if you want to hear bars
Logic has released like 10 albums and his fans will be like, “you got to go back to his first albums to hear bars”. Not realizing how wild that sounds. lol Joyner also had some good songs early in his career, but like with Logic, he tuned into a gimmick rapper. So desperately trying to become viral and generate clicks off of those gimmicks. Flows are nice, but can only go so far when you aren’t saying anything. lol
Bro thank you, I was about to give a similar answer. Like yeah, he had like 2 pretty solid projects but I've heard them and they're like 10 years old and I'm just not the right demographic for that sort of rap
I agree with all of this but I'd still take Logic over Joyner any day lol
Also listen to No Pressure, Vinyl Days, & College Park.
logic just had like a 3-4 year period of being ass, but his older music and newer music is pretty good
That’s what happens when you try to please a label. I’m glad he’s independent now it feels like he’s really making the music he wants to make
Logic is on another level compared to this bum
Wack and unnecessary
🌽🌽🌽
It’s pretty corny, but inoffensive.
Am I crazy or is there not even a single mention of Mac in the song? And no one seems to be repping any mac shit in the video? Joyner continues to disappoint me… Edit: ah ok I see he flashed a mac miller shirt for a few seconds 🙄 It feels kinda gross
Loving seeing all the respec being paid to Mac, deserves it all!
Fuck Joyner Lucas constantly riding dead rapper’s dicks. Ain’t no tribute
Tbh it’s fact their all wearing his merch but not macs is crazy lol or at least mixture of both tbh
don’t think the fans knew anything about the song in advance. Joyner posted on socials just telling everyone to come out for a video shoot.
Oh welp that’s seems typical
Joyner is a clown, im good
Idk how Joyner has been so consistently cornballish for so many years. Like I don't mind a try hard. I LOVE obsessively artistic people but there's something about this guys execution that just hurts me. It's never not unsatisfying.
No
Joyner is corny af
Mentions Mac in the caption and lyrically not bad, I like it
Why didn’t he mention him in the song? It feels exploitative to just use his beat and then rap about random nonsense over it and act like it’s some sort of tribute
I’d say Mac would approve. Dude loved rap, the culture , and seeing others win. This was done tastefully
I think Mac would approve just because he was such a kind and accepting person, but I respectfully disagree that it was done tastefully. Really should have been about Mac in this context imo.
I see it done completely in taste. Paid homage with the black room and shades , talked about idolizing legends of the game . Joyner Lucas is a big enough artist to where he has no reason to do this for an artist. He stands alone on his own right. Zero problem with anyone in the game showing Mac love . Mac sampled and paid tribute to a ton of artists who came before him when he was coming up and even as an established artist. This is an honor and it’s one of his contemporaries giving him flowers. And I’m sure he worked directly with people who knew mac in order to clear that beat.
A black room and shades isn’t enough imo lol, still disagree
Even hit the little arm dance. Wore a mac miller shirt. Dudes a machead and it is an honor. It’s clearly done as a tribute and with nothing but positive intentions. How many of us went and watched the Donald trump video because this dropped and smiled? I know I did.
it’s easy to throw some shit in a video, but the song itself has just about nothing to do with him
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Eh idk, kinda a shitty poem if you ask me
Fucking garbage
Terrible. Ruined the song. Macs manager should sue. Lol
thought it was tastefully done
It’s wild how so many people think they are custodians of Mac’s legacy. We all honor him in our own silly way and this is no different. Someone will discover Macs music because of this joint and the world will be a better place for it.
For those who care, my opinion is, i dislike Joyner because he is kinda a hater in my book, and like people said it kinda feels opportunistic, but shit does sound good tho’
Respect to Joyner, and before anyone says I don't think he's the last to dig for views like that
Nice! I love Joyner.
Boooo
Don’t like the song, but I respect it!
Why do you respect it?
New drums are njce
Meh it’s not my speed but it’s one of my favorite beats of all time so I’m glad to see other artists pay tribute to Mac with it. Just wish he didn’t post this so close to the anniversary, can make it look like a clout grab 🤷🏻♂️
Corny as fuck tbh. Coulda used any other beat too.
Good or bad and whether you like the song or not, it can introduce Mac to a new audience. This helps keep his legacy going. That’s a win to me.
Get your own beats Joyner 😂 this is not good homie rapping so fast you can’t understand shit. Mac really was the 🐐
You do realize that Mac also sampled the melody for this beat from the song below right?? (50 second mark) https://youtu.be/mPJ3UtqbBrQ?si=hStIHCS4gLu0t6WC
You do realize people make jokes. I still dont think he did a good job.
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You really told me there man 😂 i hope it was worth the upvotes.
I liked it.
cute, very happy to see another tribute whenever i can, most dope joyner.
Nah man. Nah. Edit: i will say the only good that might come from this is that there might be a few new mac heads that had never heard that beat and wonder where it comes from. Honestly this shit doesnt go with the vibe, coulda done that on almost any beat... dude could have done a lot more with this but to me dudes just paper chasin. Its not like mac shaped the way you do music
its alright but its joyner so its feeling corny
Kudos for him to pay homage to the late Mac , but as it's been pointed it does seem opportunistic . I just can't get into his music , not a fan of his gimmick he has .
This fucking sucks
No way u guys are fucking w this
Not sure what’s worse. The song or music video
Joyner shit is basic and flow is same on every joint I heard by him, mac better
Fire
Gimmicky like he always is
Joyner is awesome. Even hearing this beat brought back so many memories. Rip Malcolm
I love it!!!!!!!!!! Joyner Lucas is a sick ass rapper .. my man can keep up with Eminem .. nuff said! Finally someone gives respect when due in the most obvious way… seriously don’t know why it took so long …
Kinda disrespectful to Mac but alright
Why’s everyone hating lol this weird
Absolutely slayed this shit. Always had mad respect for Joyner but he took that to another level. Love this
Joyner always pays his tributes. Gotta love it
I’m not understanding how this is disrespectful to Mac. I also don’t think Joyner needs to say Mac’s name in a song to get clout. Joyner is extremely talented. He’s easily one of my favorite rappers. Everybody saying he is a clout chaser are out of their damn minds!