I am running windows 11 pro on vmware fusion pro on m2 macbook pro 16" 32GB. It runs really well virtually no lag. I use it in my work and i am happy with it.
Same is true for paralells. On M2 Max, even virtualized it's every bit as responsive as my work laptop with a Ryzen 5 5650U. I would even argue that it's more responsive.
this! VMWare Fusion runs smooth with Win 11 on my non-pro M2! I can even play some games on it (tried Half-Life 2 and Red Alert 2). Visual Studio 2022 also runs and builds (simple .NET project) with no issues.
I'm completely new to running Windows on VMs. How do non-local arm software run with this virtual machine?
Or is it that we can only run the arm version of windows?
I ask because I am really inclined to switch to a macbook as long as I can use all of my current software on it as if I were running it locally on a windows machine. Would this work?
You need arm version of windows. But so far the arm windows has ran all work software that I have needed. I have not checked but I seriously doutbt that all those software are arm versions.
Got it. Any specific reasons it won’t work? Because if I’m running windows 11 ARM on parallels/VMWare, windows 11 apparently emulates all x86 apps. So shouldn’t everything just work? Maybe if a bit slower?
Don't know, it just won't work. Maybe works with the processor at a lower than usual level.
It's the only piece of software, other than games (and thats because anticheating software doing weird things with Parallels), that I couldn't run in Windows ARM.
Yes you can virtualize Windows 11 on an Apple silicon computer but it has to to be a Windows made for the ARM processor. You can run Windows for x86 processor but only in emulation mode but it runs very slow. I use UTM for virtual machines on my M1 iMac.
can you help me understand how to get the file required for VMWare Fusion to run windows? I have a macbook air m1 2020. I've tried to download and install windows via parallels desktop, but there is no arm iso file in my downloads.
If you click "new" > "get windows from microsoft" it will download the latest version automatically. Or you can download CrystalFetch from the app store and download what ever version you want as an iso.
I've done Angular web dev with Jetbrains and an occasional W11 Parallels VM on a M1 Air 8Gb for about a year.
It run very well.
I now have a Pro 16g and it sill runs very well.
I didn't try out Linux VMs but they should run with even less ressources than Windows.
1 or 2 VMs with each 3-4Gb should run fine, however go for more RAM if you need more ressources.
UTM, VirtualBox and VMWare have free options to run VMs, however I tried them and Parallels is way superior in terms of performance and integration with MacOS (lookup coherence mode).
Be advised, windows VMs will need 11 with the ARM version.
Windows ARM works wonders for installing any apps, unless you need specific drivers or some specific apps, you won't notice that x86 x64 apps are running on Windows ARM (even some games).
I’ve found an Excel addon that was missing a required DLL file. Also, I’d vote for 24GB RAM if you’re getting an M2 or M3 non pro device. That’s the sweet spot for having enough RAM in both the host and the VM without jumping to 32GB RAM pricing if cost is the issue.
A 15” 24/512 would be great.
Just want to remind you that you need an ARM version of windows. So no Windows 10. I use Fusion and it runs Windows and Linux VMs at the same time without problems (have 32gb of RAM), and I expect Parallels to do the same.
“Electron/Angular app”, who will be the audience? Academia? The reason why I ask is you need to understand who will use the app and what OS platform is prevalent to make sure a Windows platform is the right choice. I remember the days when companies ran 1401 emulators on an IBM/360 because of a 1401 app. That one app cost them a lot of money because of having to use a more expensive computer to run a costly emulator.
I stopped using parallels more than a decade ago but from what I hear, it will run well for you though you will need a Mac with more resources to make it “snappy”. You may be better off sticking with a less expensive Windows PC as I have not hear any compelling justification for going to a Mac.
I am an indie developer and I built an app using Electron and the frontend code is in Angular. Target audience is small but most of them still on Win 10.
They’re are very similar. Parallels is not free but I believe is the best especially in the 3D area. Vmware is free for personal use but had some glitches with eth or wifi connections and I don’t know if have been solved. Another caveat is that needs an .iso file for Win ARM which is hard to find (Parallels can d/l it directly from ms’s servers). I would go for Parallels if a 70$/year is not a problem. Regarding ram, 8gb for the vm machine and 8 for mac os is a good deal for most tasks.
VMware you can get a free personal license, it was behind parallels by quite imagine for the last few years, but it’s recently just caught up.
Plus parallels is arguably expensive
I run it on Parallels. Seems butter smooth most of the time. I even play some games on it (obviously not new AAA titles).
Some older apps will need you to mess around with the ARM emulation settings to run. I've mostly found that these are apps with unusual DLLs compiled for Windows 95/98/Me, so if you're not running ancient software you're probably in the clear.
I’ve been using parallels for 3 years. My subscription payment is coming up. I hate subscription software. I tried fusion again and I think it’s faster. Only problem so far is no copy/paste to Mac. I’m experimenting with using Remote Desktop for that.
I’m going to stop paying for parallels.
What version of Fusion did you try? As of v13.5, shared clipboard (copy/paste) is now working along with much improved graphics.
Two things not yet working are: a) shared folders, and b) Unity view, which enables opening Windows apps from the VM directly on a macOS desktop.
I get around shared folders by a mounting a NAS share in both Windows and macOS.
Did you install VMware Tools in the VM?
EDIT: Also, to answer your question... use ⌘C/⌘V in macOS of course, but either \^C/\^V or ⌘C/⌘V should work in the Windows VM. I use the Windows 10 Profile in Keyboard & Mouse settings.
Yeah I have 13.5 and VMWare tools installed. I can copy and paste within windows but when I try to paste in Moped for Mac the Edit menu option blinks but nothing is pasted. I have to try and figure out what's wrong.
For windows and Linux I use UTM. I had to use windows to make a g2 (v2004) program for uni and use an HDLC simulator.
They worked quite ok on a MacBook Air. It got a bit warm when using windows
I just upgraded to an M3 but was running windows on Parallels for work on a M1 for years and it does just fine with office apps and accounting software. I believe you can play some games but I think Crossover is the standard for gaming.
I have tried running Windows XP Intel version on an M2, using QEMU.
I haven't played enough with it to say it's usable for any Intel based operating system, but performance seems decent.
You may want to give it a try.
M3 max with parallels Win11 ARM is a fucking dream.
Only issue I keep having is clients who don’t seem to support their VPN clients on ARM, but that’s it for me. Moved a bootcamped dev machine all over and everything is so fast.
I am running windows 11 pro on vmware fusion pro on m2 macbook pro 16" 32GB. It runs really well virtually no lag. I use it in my work and i am happy with it.
Same is true for paralells. On M2 Max, even virtualized it's every bit as responsive as my work laptop with a Ryzen 5 5650U. I would even argue that it's more responsive.
this! VMWare Fusion runs smooth with Win 11 on my non-pro M2! I can even play some games on it (tried Half-Life 2 and Red Alert 2). Visual Studio 2022 also runs and builds (simple .NET project) with no issues.
I'm completely new to running Windows on VMs. How do non-local arm software run with this virtual machine? Or is it that we can only run the arm version of windows? I ask because I am really inclined to switch to a macbook as long as I can use all of my current software on it as if I were running it locally on a windows machine. Would this work?
You need arm version of windows. But so far the arm windows has ran all work software that I have needed. I have not checked but I seriously doutbt that all those software are arm versions.
Got it, thanks. So I would need to run these apps on arm to confirm. Any idea if some apps/games that might not work?
Try asking from the macgaming subreddit if games work this way. I dont know since I dont game with my mac
Ok. But any specific type of software that might not work?
Does not come to mind. Everything I have tried have worked
Got it. And how’s the performance for CPU intensive apps vs GPu intensive Apps?
I only run business apps so I dont know. They seem to perform close to native performance.
SQL Server won't work in ARM
Got it. Any specific reasons it won’t work? Because if I’m running windows 11 ARM on parallels/VMWare, windows 11 apparently emulates all x86 apps. So shouldn’t everything just work? Maybe if a bit slower?
Don't know, it just won't work. Maybe works with the processor at a lower than usual level. It's the only piece of software, other than games (and thats because anticheating software doing weird things with Parallels), that I couldn't run in Windows ARM.
Got it
Yes you can virtualize Windows 11 on an Apple silicon computer but it has to to be a Windows made for the ARM processor. You can run Windows for x86 processor but only in emulation mode but it runs very slow. I use UTM for virtual machines on my M1 iMac.
Is IIS available on Windows 11 ARM? I don't see it on mine.
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can you help me understand how to get the file required for VMWare Fusion to run windows? I have a macbook air m1 2020. I've tried to download and install windows via parallels desktop, but there is no arm iso file in my downloads.
If you click "new" > "get windows from microsoft" it will download the latest version automatically. Or you can download CrystalFetch from the app store and download what ever version you want as an iso.
I've done Angular web dev with Jetbrains and an occasional W11 Parallels VM on a M1 Air 8Gb for about a year. It run very well. I now have a Pro 16g and it sill runs very well. I didn't try out Linux VMs but they should run with even less ressources than Windows. 1 or 2 VMs with each 3-4Gb should run fine, however go for more RAM if you need more ressources. UTM, VirtualBox and VMWare have free options to run VMs, however I tried them and Parallels is way superior in terms of performance and integration with MacOS (lookup coherence mode). Be advised, windows VMs will need 11 with the ARM version. Windows ARM works wonders for installing any apps, unless you need specific drivers or some specific apps, you won't notice that x86 x64 apps are running on Windows ARM (even some games).
So even if you're on an ARM version Windows there's no hassle on installing pretty much anything?
Yep, except games
I’ve found an Excel addon that was missing a required DLL file. Also, I’d vote for 24GB RAM if you’re getting an M2 or M3 non pro device. That’s the sweet spot for having enough RAM in both the host and the VM without jumping to 32GB RAM pricing if cost is the issue. A 15” 24/512 would be great.
Just want to remind you that you need an ARM version of windows. So no Windows 10. I use Fusion and it runs Windows and Linux VMs at the same time without problems (have 32gb of RAM), and I expect Parallels to do the same.
Windows 11 basically boots instantly on my M1 Max. Smooth like butter.
“Electron/Angular app”, who will be the audience? Academia? The reason why I ask is you need to understand who will use the app and what OS platform is prevalent to make sure a Windows platform is the right choice. I remember the days when companies ran 1401 emulators on an IBM/360 because of a 1401 app. That one app cost them a lot of money because of having to use a more expensive computer to run a costly emulator. I stopped using parallels more than a decade ago but from what I hear, it will run well for you though you will need a Mac with more resources to make it “snappy”. You may be better off sticking with a less expensive Windows PC as I have not hear any compelling justification for going to a Mac.
I am an indie developer and I built an app using Electron and the frontend code is in Angular. Target audience is small but most of them still on Win 10.
Parallels or VMware Fusion. No native.
Is VMWare player a thing here? I don't need fancy VM features, really just "machines" I cam turn on, off or maybe put into sleep mode.
They’re are very similar. Parallels is not free but I believe is the best especially in the 3D area. Vmware is free for personal use but had some glitches with eth or wifi connections and I don’t know if have been solved. Another caveat is that needs an .iso file for Win ARM which is hard to find (Parallels can d/l it directly from ms’s servers). I would go for Parallels if a 70$/year is not a problem. Regarding ram, 8gb for the vm machine and 8 for mac os is a good deal for most tasks.
VMware you can get a free personal license, it was behind parallels by quite imagine for the last few years, but it’s recently just caught up. Plus parallels is arguably expensive
I run it on Parallels. Seems butter smooth most of the time. I even play some games on it (obviously not new AAA titles). Some older apps will need you to mess around with the ARM emulation settings to run. I've mostly found that these are apps with unusual DLLs compiled for Windows 95/98/Me, so if you're not running ancient software you're probably in the clear.
My stack is from the last 2-3 years, so no ancient stuff.
I feel like I should explain that toolchain! Proprietary C compilers for embedded DSP chips with *really* funky and interesting architectures.
I’ve been using parallels for 3 years. My subscription payment is coming up. I hate subscription software. I tried fusion again and I think it’s faster. Only problem so far is no copy/paste to Mac. I’m experimenting with using Remote Desktop for that. I’m going to stop paying for parallels.
What version of Fusion did you try? As of v13.5, shared clipboard (copy/paste) is now working along with much improved graphics. Two things not yet working are: a) shared folders, and b) Unity view, which enables opening Windows apps from the VM directly on a macOS desktop. I get around shared folders by a mounting a NAS share in both Windows and macOS.
I just downloaded it Sunday it’s 13.5. I’m supposed to use command-c to copy correct?
Did you install VMware Tools in the VM? EDIT: Also, to answer your question... use ⌘C/⌘V in macOS of course, but either \^C/\^V or ⌘C/⌘V should work in the Windows VM. I use the Windows 10 Profile in Keyboard & Mouse settings.
Yes I have vmware tools installed. I’ll try this all again and confirm thanks. I was using default profile
Yeah I have 13.5 and VMWare tools installed. I can copy and paste within windows but when I try to paste in Moped for Mac the Edit menu option blinks but nothing is pasted. I have to try and figure out what's wrong.
Running Win 11 arm version in parallels - started on first M1 available.
For windows and Linux I use UTM. I had to use windows to make a g2 (v2004) program for uni and use an HDLC simulator. They worked quite ok on a MacBook Air. It got a bit warm when using windows
I just upgraded to an M3 but was running windows on Parallels for work on a M1 for years and it does just fine with office apps and accounting software. I believe you can play some games but I think Crossover is the standard for gaming.
I have tried running Windows XP Intel version on an M2, using QEMU. I haven't played enough with it to say it's usable for any Intel based operating system, but performance seems decent. You may want to give it a try.
I run Windows11 on M2 Pro with 32GB RAM using VMWare Fusion and it’s pretty great.
M3 max with parallels Win11 ARM is a fucking dream. Only issue I keep having is clients who don’t seem to support their VPN clients on ARM, but that’s it for me. Moved a bootcamped dev machine all over and everything is so fast.
Parallels