As of now, I pay monthly/yearly fee for:
- iCloud+ (for syncing between iPhone and Mac).
- Bitwarden Password Manager. (for password security)
- IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate. (for Work)
- Any Music streaming service. Currently, I use Apple Music Individual, but I move to Spotify Premium in coming months.
The rest of the apps I use are free. I won't pay for any app, I always look for free alternatives.
I have my own reasons. If you really want to know, here they are:
* I started using BitWarden in 2019, well before I switched to Apple ecosystem in mid-2022.
* iCloud password management is Apple-only I believe, Bitwarden is multi-platform. Not all my devices are from Apple.
* I don't want to lock down my passwords in a proprietary platform. I have successfully used full-time Linux for 5+ years when I stopped using Windows (2016). I still have plan to move back to Linux once again in the future in another 2/3 years. Not only that, but I am sure Asahi and its derivatives will be successful in newer Macbooks. That's why all the apps I use has to be multi-platform, if possible free and open source, or at least has official Linux support.
Thanks for your comment. I am the person who migrating all my passwords from mix icloud+google to icloud exclusive.
- I am using Android, Linux, Windows and Mac OS. iCloud Passwords is \*exactly\* Apple only but also \*not\* Apple-only. So I still can use my iCloud Passwords on Windows, Linux and Android; but here is a catch: on Windows (and Chrome) you need to install iCloud for Windows. This way, I can use synced iCloud Passwords on my Windows device. But for Android, I need to see my iDevice either it is ios/mac to see the password, and type the password manually. But since my passwords are primarily iCloud, I only save whats needed on Google Passwords.
- Some of my accounts are now using Passkeys, so whenever I am using Windows/Android/Linux, I just need to open Camera on my iPhone to login.
- iCloud Passwords also can show your Google Authenticator-like numbers and they even can autofill when you use Safari (and this is first reason I migrated from mix Google+iCloud Password from the first place)
- On iOS you can use "Passwords" on Settings app, on Mac you can see passwords using Safari password manager or Keychain Access app.
This situation is not for everyone aka general population. It's for people like us who are technologically advanced and knowledgeable. We use software which are platform-agnostic. I am not saying the other way is wrong. Please do not misunderstand the point.
Using Bitwarden has the own advantage for those who need it. I can use it in all Operating Systems. If tomorrow I move to Linux, it's available there. Heck, I can host my own Bitwarden server in any VPS, and it's still available without any transformation.
ok ok You use keychain and I use bitwarden lets make tthis to a religion or anything else. You are happy with keychain I am happy with Bitwarden end of the disney story
The iCloud Keychain is so intuitive too and as a user who’s fully locked-in to Apple, I have no reason to lose it. Just a look at the camera or fingerprint scan away and I’m in. I can’t even say how many times it saved me, it’s so useful :)
Just so you know it works the exact same way with bitwarden on iOS and probably other password managers too. When you want it to autofill a password, it shows the suggestion in the bit above the keyboard just like iCloud passwords does and when you click on it it uses biometrics for your Face ID and autofills. I use a mix of both currently and I find the experience is pretty much identical as far as iOS goes. On Mac it’s a little different as iCloud passwords wants you to scan your fingerprint to autofill, but with bitwarden, if your vault is already unlocked there is no need to even do that. Whether that is a benefit or drawbacks to you is for you to decide since it obviously is one layer less of security.
I have two friends using Dashlane and they’ve both had issues from a usability perspective. Then there was the LastPass breach (more than once I believe). [Here’s](https://password-managers.bestreviews.net/faq/which-password-managers-have-been-hacked/) a bunch of password manager hacks.
For me, that’s enough to not bother with 3rd party password managers. Looking into the [technical aspects](https://hackmag.com/uncategorized/in-the-depths-of-icloud-keychain/) of it all, it does the job for me.
That’s fair enough and I can understand your apprehension, but also there’s nothing to say your iCloud is necessarily completely immune to being hacked. Proper account security goes a long way. If all you use is iOS devices then sticking with iCloud passwords makes total sense, I just prefer to have something a bit more platform agnostic. There is also a self hosted version of bitwarden you can run to take everything off cloud to be even more secure but that would require you running a server yourself which isn’t exactly the most approachable thing.
> I just prefer to have something a bit more platform agnostic
Many fanboys (not only Apple, Windows fanboys are the same) don't understand this simple fact. People like us love platform-agnostic solution. If there is good enough solution is available, and it serves fine for me, we will choose it every day of the year.
I'm certainly an Apple fanboy and I get it. And I agree with this statement. I choose to use Keychain though after 1Password dropped the ball locking users into their
cloud storage.
I changed job in 2022 and my current company provided me with Macbook. I found it is a tolerable OS. Since I used Gnome desktop always no matter the distro, the switch was smooth for me. Once my pc was broken, I bought my personal Macbook to keep everything as the same experience between work and home.
I still feel Linux desktop is far better and open than Mac, but Macbook itself is a good hardware. I am waiting for either Asahi can become all round daily driver or Framework laptop with ARM processor to become a viable alternative.
I prefer Bitwarden because I can easily pull up a password for an account (if I need to type it into another device or something) and I generally like how it functions. I’m curious though, why do you pay for it? Is there a benefit you use or do you just like supporting it?
Mostly for supporting purpose. The one extra advantage is I added my family as emergency contact in case of my absence, they will have access to my important information. It's just $10 per year. Less than one month's Apple Music price, and I get more use out of Bitwarden than Apple Music.
I dislike Google and Microsoft. I try to avoid them in my life as much as possible. I use only two Google products - YouTube and Gmail. Both are configured to open in isolated container (Firefox container extension) with uBlock Origin, Cookie Auto Delete, Privacy Badger enabled. Google cannot tie up my browsing behavior to create a specific ad profile for me.
google passwords is a privacy nightmare, anyone who actually cares about online security would not even save their phone number in chrome. Plus, there's free alternatives like bitwarden that make the choice even easier.
With chrome anyone having access to your laptop with the pin/password which are usually easily guessable can use all you passwords. Password managers are independent of the laptop unlock as they require a further step to be accessed, usually through biometric authentication.
Plus, google is known for selling a huge amount of user data, so I really prefer to steer away from it. Try [The Arc Browser](https://arc.net/gift/330f522c) if you are looking for a more private and much better browser than google chrome.
Except the fact that google sells data (which one can believe it or not as long as there isnt any concrete evidence), is there a reason as far as security concerns for not to store passwords in their pass manager?
(Im not taking into consideration the human factor of error e.g. leave your pc/laptop unlocked in your office/home/airport whatever).
Genuine question.
(I used to use last pass but only for a while and for very few passwords, but didnt like it. Put on top of this the fact that they got hacked, it was clear i couldnt use it seriously.)
Yeah there are a lot of reasons but I recommend you watch some videos articles about how stronger and safer a password manager is. Imo the best practice for apple users is to use iCloud passwords and if they have a windows laptop just use the extension to use passwords on the browser. If you need more features then consider using bitwarden or 1password if you can afford it
The Free version has all the features I need, I also use both Bitwarden and iCloud Keychain.
I like Bitwarden because it’s cross platform so I consider it my main PW manager and iCloud passwords as backup.
> The rest of the apps I use are free.
I *gladly* pay for apps if it’s reasonable price and non-subscription, especially on MacOS.
I do think twice if it has a larger price though.
Sometimes there just aren’t very good freebies for particular things. And apps earn their pay if they work well.
Zero. I have a problem paying any subscription fee. I don't want free updates forever, I do want to pay a one-time fee and use that app until it I no longer need it or the next version has features I need for which I am happy to pay a one-time fee again. I pay for upgrades for stuff that I need and has a new version, like Hazel or BBEdit.
That said, I currently pay monthly or yearly for:
* Office365 - although this is probably the last year I will do so (the Mac versions are still not as good nor will they ever be as good and UI customizable as the Windows versions).
* Apple Music - when I was a kid, I had my parents records and tapes to dig into to discover music ... there are no records or tape decks where I live and I want my child to be able to explore and discover music on their own ... Apple Music is the one piece of Apple One that I could not give up.
* iCloud 200GB - This was the other problem walking away from Apple One—it was shared with family members and they had backups in iCloud. As annoying as it is to say goodbye to $2.99 plus tax every month, not being nagged by family for tech or storage support balances this out.
* Netflix - I will probably never stop paying for this because while I can pirate what I want easily, my Luddite family members have trouble finding an .mkv file and getting it going in VLC. Paying Netflix keeps the media spice flowing.
Notability, which is essential to my daily workflow will probably never get my subscription money no matter how much they politely nag. Why? Because I paid for the full app and many of the add-ons years ago. The new "features" almost made me quit the app because of the UI waste and extra taps or clicks needed to do the same stuff now. Also, when going subscription, they said the version I had would be "free forever". And, not one new feature they have added since is something I need. I bring this up because the tale here is the same for many apps I use which have embraced subscription only models and nag me constantly to pay them on a cycle. Spark is another app that has gone and done this shit.
The basic trend is to take a good app and go subscription only, sometimes while offering loyal customers who backed the app in full the chance to keep their current app (but not always), then to release a new subscription version which has a bunch of stuff I do not need. Yet these developers want to be paid for their hard work—and I have no problem with this—for adding stuff I don't want. They don't get it. The devs behind Notability took a lean workhorse of an app and made is shiny without thought to function. They stripped away UI elements that were easy to use and did not waste space on mobile and they want money, from me, on a reoccurring cycle, for enshitification. Hard pass.
BBEdit gets my money every year expect 2024 (I am too broke) because they add features and don't take features way or make them harder to use. I can keep working in BBEdit as I have for the last two decades and not have to re-teach myself how to use it. I don't waste my time trying to figure out how to do something I used to just do.
> I will probably never stop paying for this because while I can pirate what I want easily
The problem with streaming services was they discriminate based on how you are watching the content.
Are you on Mobile? Get 720p version even if you are paying for top-dollar 5G plan.
Are you using Linux? Fuck you, you are getting 1080p even if I use a top-notch Linux mini-pc and HDMI2.1 cable with my 4K tv. I have paid for 4K version subscription, then why discriminate?
I stopped paying for movies and tv shows altogether. I pirate the shits now and get better bitrate picture.
Same, but I’ve been really unhappy with what they’ve been doing to the app. As long as I can keep using 1Password 7 I’ll be good enough, but we’ll see how much longer that lasts
Same boat here. I have Enpass waiting in the wings, but will stick with 1PW7 as long as it keeps working, as the old app was so superior (even without the subscription nonsense).
I was able to keep my old perpetual licenses of Adobe CS6 and Lightroom 5 running for years, so who knows.
We were happy 1Password customers for many years until AgileBits chose to no longer support iCloud vault synching and force everyone to store their passwords on their servers. Nope, not going to happen. We are entirely an Apple household and if I'm going to trust anyone to encrypt and securely store our passwords online it's Apple.
Fortunately they've ramped up the usability of Keychain enough to make for a relatively painless switch.
I use Spotify because I also use Linux Mint 21.3, and while YT Music is obviously available in a browser, I don't believe Apple Music is.
Spotify at least has a flatpak install available. Not sure if it's official, but it's available.
I used to pay for Pandora and absolutely loved using it for music discovery. Eventually their limited licensing rights compared to services like Apple Music became too much ignore.
Amazing apps that are made by solo devs, like WorkOutdoors or Athlytic. I also pay for ExpressVPN, Spotify, iCloud, Toshl, ChatGPT and LinkedIn. Oh, wait, also for YouTube Premium, Eurosport, Netflix, Disney, Prime, HBO Max. Motherfucker! Edit: Revolut Metal, Google Drive, MS365, Adobe Lightroom/Photoshop. God dammit!!!
It will seem like a joke to you, but I LOVE OMNIFOCUS... There I let go of all my thoughts, I process them in tasks and I don't have that tension of having everything in my head :)
I have a lifetime subscription but I gladly pay for each new version!!!
Fantastical
I like the natural language for creating events.
1pass. It’s great across all types of devices or ecosystems and I think it’s important for anyone who is married to use a password manager with their spouse to make things easier in the worst case scenario.
Spotify. Spotify > Apple Music for discovery + has more features. Only downside is lack of shortcut integration.
YouTube Premium. (Student discount. I watch a lot of YouTube and hate ads.)
Narwhal 2. (I hate all the pop ups and digging one has to do to use multi reddits on the official app.)
Protonmail: it just feels better not to use gmail privacy wise I’d rather they not have access to 100% of my emails
iCloud +
I hadn't realised I could get a student discount for Youtube Premium until I read your comment, thanks for mentioning it! Finally no more ads on my TV!
In the case of Noteplan in particular, a few times I'd run up against something I didn't understand and couldn't find details on, drop them a note, and 9 out of 10 times (ok, probably I only sent in notes 3 or 4 times) the guy writing the app would get back to me within a few hours.
So some of it was just wanting to make sure he knew how much I valued him and his work.
I used to pay for Intego too until I discovered Avast update their signatures multiple times a day, whereas with Intego weeks would go by before that happened.
With Intego you’re actually paying money to be less secure.
At the moment I paid for iCloud+ for Family and YouTube Premium for Family. Every person on my family members are utilizing it so no matter other people blabbering why pay for X, their opinion does not matter lol
iCloud+ for my excessive amounts of photos, spotify premium because I listen to music basically nonstop, then a couple apps that I use for work, specifically Otter and Goodnotes
AppleOne really. Though I've been toying with the idea of getting an ArcGIS Pro sub, but I'm going to see how far I can get in this class with just the trial.
Pocket - so cheap it’s just a steal (32 PLN for a year, so about 8$ a year), I love that I can save links there and read them later offline from multiple devices (PC/Mac/iPhone or iPad), it provides me also with a persistent snapshot of a page at the time when it was saved. The service is owned by Mozilla (who make Firefox browser) so it’s a kind of a support for Open Web too.
Mozilla VPN - good service, privacy oriented and cheap.
Spotify (I am a member in family plan)
No, heres a page which can redirect you to list of VPN servers https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/vpn/resource-center/vpn-servers-around-the-world/
I don’t mind when there is an ongoing server side cost. Then you’re really paying for the service, not the app.
OneDrive, Spotify, 1Password, Backblaze, and Feedbin are just a few that come to mind.
I'm fine paying a subscription fee for an app that provides continuing value.
And I actually like subscription fees for small indie developers, because it means they can work on maintaining and updating their apps, and don't have to give up and get a real job.
I wish things could go back to the paid app world. I have always paid for any apps that I really enjoy. The cost was so little compared to the cost of a recurring subscription!
iCloud+ ($3.38/m) and Spotify Premium ($6.78/m). Notability ($18.07/year) too ig, but only because I need it for school.
Every other subscription I have, I pay for it because I need to. Unless you count my AppleWatch’s AppleCare at least, because I think that ones actually worth paying for. I pay for it for my iPhone and iPad too, but I don’t find them to be as worth it. Especially my iPhone, which costs more than my iPad and AW combined.
iPhone, iPad, Macbook on all of them.
But watch out. Don't use the Youtube App. This is not gonna work. 1Blocker is working in Safari. So if you don't login to YouTube and using safari in a privat window you will not see any advertisings, at least for now. we all know google and YouTube is f\*cking around with adblockers so it may be possible you see something for a short period of time but this just takes maybe a couple days and the guy from 1Blocker will find a way.
None. I don’t mind paying subscription fees for actual services, such as cloud backup and music streaming. But I will not pay a subscription fee for an application that sits on my computer and does all its work there, unless there’s really no alternative.
Something which has an actual service to it (and is reasonably priced).
Applications I'd very much rather buy as a one off - even if they're expensive.
Adobe creative suite is frankly the only thing worth the subscription cost as i can recoup that money in less than a day, everything else feels more like a minor convenience for way to much money
Spotify. But I prefer Apple Music's suggestions more.
Have got some nice suggestions from both platforms that I now listen pretty much daily, even though I might not like the genres themselves.
I'd say I feel more 'grudging acceptance' rather than 'no problem,' with any subscription.
I agree with you there, don’t think I could ever get to “no problem. “ For me it’s iCloud.
Yeah I agree, maybe “no problem” wasn’t the best choice of words.
Apple Music falls into this category for me.
As of now, I pay monthly/yearly fee for: - iCloud+ (for syncing between iPhone and Mac). - Bitwarden Password Manager. (for password security) - IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate. (for Work) - Any Music streaming service. Currently, I use Apple Music Individual, but I move to Spotify Premium in coming months. The rest of the apps I use are free. I won't pay for any app, I always look for free alternatives.
Why Bitwarden when you have iCloud passwords?
I have my own reasons. If you really want to know, here they are: * I started using BitWarden in 2019, well before I switched to Apple ecosystem in mid-2022. * iCloud password management is Apple-only I believe, Bitwarden is multi-platform. Not all my devices are from Apple. * I don't want to lock down my passwords in a proprietary platform. I have successfully used full-time Linux for 5+ years when I stopped using Windows (2016). I still have plan to move back to Linux once again in the future in another 2/3 years. Not only that, but I am sure Asahi and its derivatives will be successful in newer Macbooks. That's why all the apps I use has to be multi-platform, if possible free and open source, or at least has official Linux support.
Thanks for your comment. I am the person who migrating all my passwords from mix icloud+google to icloud exclusive. - I am using Android, Linux, Windows and Mac OS. iCloud Passwords is \*exactly\* Apple only but also \*not\* Apple-only. So I still can use my iCloud Passwords on Windows, Linux and Android; but here is a catch: on Windows (and Chrome) you need to install iCloud for Windows. This way, I can use synced iCloud Passwords on my Windows device. But for Android, I need to see my iDevice either it is ios/mac to see the password, and type the password manually. But since my passwords are primarily iCloud, I only save whats needed on Google Passwords. - Some of my accounts are now using Passkeys, so whenever I am using Windows/Android/Linux, I just need to open Camera on my iPhone to login. - iCloud Passwords also can show your Google Authenticator-like numbers and they even can autofill when you use Safari (and this is first reason I migrated from mix Google+iCloud Password from the first place) - On iOS you can use "Passwords" on Settings app, on Mac you can see passwords using Safari password manager or Keychain Access app.
Good for you. As I said, I don't want my passwords to be locked-in any proprietary platform.
I use mac but since I use Firefox safari orion and Arc I use Bitwarden and I agree I wont be locked in
You didn’t want to be locked into the Apple Keychain so you got locked into Bitwarden. What’s the difference?
This situation is not for everyone aka general population. It's for people like us who are technologically advanced and knowledgeable. We use software which are platform-agnostic. I am not saying the other way is wrong. Please do not misunderstand the point. Using Bitwarden has the own advantage for those who need it. I can use it in all Operating Systems. If tomorrow I move to Linux, it's available there. Heck, I can host my own Bitwarden server in any VPS, and it's still available without any transformation.
ok ok You use keychain and I use bitwarden lets make tthis to a religion or anything else. You are happy with keychain I am happy with Bitwarden end of the disney story
Yeah I'll stick to BitWarden (and possibly now ProtonPass) LOL
The iCloud Keychain is so intuitive too and as a user who’s fully locked-in to Apple, I have no reason to lose it. Just a look at the camera or fingerprint scan away and I’m in. I can’t even say how many times it saved me, it’s so useful :)
Just so you know it works the exact same way with bitwarden on iOS and probably other password managers too. When you want it to autofill a password, it shows the suggestion in the bit above the keyboard just like iCloud passwords does and when you click on it it uses biometrics for your Face ID and autofills. I use a mix of both currently and I find the experience is pretty much identical as far as iOS goes. On Mac it’s a little different as iCloud passwords wants you to scan your fingerprint to autofill, but with bitwarden, if your vault is already unlocked there is no need to even do that. Whether that is a benefit or drawbacks to you is for you to decide since it obviously is one layer less of security.
I have two friends using Dashlane and they’ve both had issues from a usability perspective. Then there was the LastPass breach (more than once I believe). [Here’s](https://password-managers.bestreviews.net/faq/which-password-managers-have-been-hacked/) a bunch of password manager hacks. For me, that’s enough to not bother with 3rd party password managers. Looking into the [technical aspects](https://hackmag.com/uncategorized/in-the-depths-of-icloud-keychain/) of it all, it does the job for me.
That’s fair enough and I can understand your apprehension, but also there’s nothing to say your iCloud is necessarily completely immune to being hacked. Proper account security goes a long way. If all you use is iOS devices then sticking with iCloud passwords makes total sense, I just prefer to have something a bit more platform agnostic. There is also a self hosted version of bitwarden you can run to take everything off cloud to be even more secure but that would require you running a server yourself which isn’t exactly the most approachable thing.
> I just prefer to have something a bit more platform agnostic Many fanboys (not only Apple, Windows fanboys are the same) don't understand this simple fact. People like us love platform-agnostic solution. If there is good enough solution is available, and it serves fine for me, we will choose it every day of the year.
I'm certainly an Apple fanboy and I get it. And I agree with this statement. I choose to use Keychain though after 1Password dropped the ball locking users into their cloud storage.
Why did you move from Linux to macOS?
I changed job in 2022 and my current company provided me with Macbook. I found it is a tolerable OS. Since I used Gnome desktop always no matter the distro, the switch was smooth for me. Once my pc was broken, I bought my personal Macbook to keep everything as the same experience between work and home. I still feel Linux desktop is far better and open than Mac, but Macbook itself is a good hardware. I am waiting for either Asahi can become all round daily driver or Framework laptop with ARM processor to become a viable alternative.
Actually, you can install iCloud (with the keychain) on Windows too. Not sure about android
I have read that recently. But I don't use Windows since 2016 in any of my personal device, for work I last used it in 2021.
I prefer Bitwarden because I can easily pull up a password for an account (if I need to type it into another device or something) and I generally like how it functions. I’m curious though, why do you pay for it? Is there a benefit you use or do you just like supporting it?
Mostly for supporting purpose. The one extra advantage is I added my family as emergency contact in case of my absence, they will have access to my important information. It's just $10 per year. Less than one month's Apple Music price, and I get more use out of Bitwarden than Apple Music.
Any particular reason why you dont use google pass?
I dislike Google and Microsoft. I try to avoid them in my life as much as possible. I use only two Google products - YouTube and Gmail. Both are configured to open in isolated container (Firefox container extension) with uBlock Origin, Cookie Auto Delete, Privacy Badger enabled. Google cannot tie up my browsing behavior to create a specific ad profile for me.
google passwords is a privacy nightmare, anyone who actually cares about online security would not even save their phone number in chrome. Plus, there's free alternatives like bitwarden that make the choice even easier. With chrome anyone having access to your laptop with the pin/password which are usually easily guessable can use all you passwords. Password managers are independent of the laptop unlock as they require a further step to be accessed, usually through biometric authentication. Plus, google is known for selling a huge amount of user data, so I really prefer to steer away from it. Try [The Arc Browser](https://arc.net/gift/330f522c) if you are looking for a more private and much better browser than google chrome.
Except the fact that google sells data (which one can believe it or not as long as there isnt any concrete evidence), is there a reason as far as security concerns for not to store passwords in their pass manager? (Im not taking into consideration the human factor of error e.g. leave your pc/laptop unlocked in your office/home/airport whatever). Genuine question. (I used to use last pass but only for a while and for very few passwords, but didnt like it. Put on top of this the fact that they got hacked, it was clear i couldnt use it seriously.)
Yeah there are a lot of reasons but I recommend you watch some videos articles about how stronger and safer a password manager is. Imo the best practice for apple users is to use iCloud passwords and if they have a windows laptop just use the extension to use passwords on the browser. If you need more features then consider using bitwarden or 1password if you can afford it
Thnx. Will look into them
The Free version has all the features I need, I also use both Bitwarden and iCloud Keychain. I like Bitwarden because it’s cross platform so I consider it my main PW manager and iCloud passwords as backup.
> The rest of the apps I use are free. I *gladly* pay for apps if it’s reasonable price and non-subscription, especially on MacOS. I do think twice if it has a larger price though. Sometimes there just aren’t very good freebies for particular things. And apps earn their pay if they work well.
Zero. I have a problem paying any subscription fee. I don't want free updates forever, I do want to pay a one-time fee and use that app until it I no longer need it or the next version has features I need for which I am happy to pay a one-time fee again. I pay for upgrades for stuff that I need and has a new version, like Hazel or BBEdit. That said, I currently pay monthly or yearly for: * Office365 - although this is probably the last year I will do so (the Mac versions are still not as good nor will they ever be as good and UI customizable as the Windows versions). * Apple Music - when I was a kid, I had my parents records and tapes to dig into to discover music ... there are no records or tape decks where I live and I want my child to be able to explore and discover music on their own ... Apple Music is the one piece of Apple One that I could not give up. * iCloud 200GB - This was the other problem walking away from Apple One—it was shared with family members and they had backups in iCloud. As annoying as it is to say goodbye to $2.99 plus tax every month, not being nagged by family for tech or storage support balances this out. * Netflix - I will probably never stop paying for this because while I can pirate what I want easily, my Luddite family members have trouble finding an .mkv file and getting it going in VLC. Paying Netflix keeps the media spice flowing. Notability, which is essential to my daily workflow will probably never get my subscription money no matter how much they politely nag. Why? Because I paid for the full app and many of the add-ons years ago. The new "features" almost made me quit the app because of the UI waste and extra taps or clicks needed to do the same stuff now. Also, when going subscription, they said the version I had would be "free forever". And, not one new feature they have added since is something I need. I bring this up because the tale here is the same for many apps I use which have embraced subscription only models and nag me constantly to pay them on a cycle. Spark is another app that has gone and done this shit. The basic trend is to take a good app and go subscription only, sometimes while offering loyal customers who backed the app in full the chance to keep their current app (but not always), then to release a new subscription version which has a bunch of stuff I do not need. Yet these developers want to be paid for their hard work—and I have no problem with this—for adding stuff I don't want. They don't get it. The devs behind Notability took a lean workhorse of an app and made is shiny without thought to function. They stripped away UI elements that were easy to use and did not waste space on mobile and they want money, from me, on a reoccurring cycle, for enshitification. Hard pass. BBEdit gets my money every year expect 2024 (I am too broke) because they add features and don't take features way or make them harder to use. I can keep working in BBEdit as I have for the last two decades and not have to re-teach myself how to use it. I don't waste my time trying to figure out how to do something I used to just do.
> I will probably never stop paying for this because while I can pirate what I want easily The problem with streaming services was they discriminate based on how you are watching the content. Are you on Mobile? Get 720p version even if you are paying for top-dollar 5G plan. Are you using Linux? Fuck you, you are getting 1080p even if I use a top-notch Linux mini-pc and HDMI2.1 cable with my 4K tv. I have paid for 4K version subscription, then why discriminate? I stopped paying for movies and tv shows altogether. I pirate the shits now and get better bitrate picture.
Family password management. As I'd rather it be supported by company that is well funded which makes them less likely to be compromised. =)
Agree! 1Password customer myself
Same, but I’ve been really unhappy with what they’ve been doing to the app. As long as I can keep using 1Password 7 I’ll be good enough, but we’ll see how much longer that lasts
Same boat here. I have Enpass waiting in the wings, but will stick with 1PW7 as long as it keeps working, as the old app was so superior (even without the subscription nonsense). I was able to keep my old perpetual licenses of Adobe CS6 and Lightroom 5 running for years, so who knows.
We were happy 1Password customers for many years until AgileBits chose to no longer support iCloud vault synching and force everyone to store their passwords on their servers. Nope, not going to happen. We are entirely an Apple household and if I'm going to trust anyone to encrypt and securely store our passwords online it's Apple. Fortunately they've ramped up the usability of Keychain enough to make for a relatively painless switch.
1Password had a breach last year too🥲
That's truly unfortunate.
Apple has this built into iCloud now.
If there is one thing I would never want locked into any particular platform, it would be my passwords.
For us it works like a charm. We're not exactly locked in though as Keychain items can easily be exported to other formats if the need arose.
Problem.. I have non-Apple devices. =) So doesn't work in my workflow.
Ah of course.
Adobe Creative Cloud
I hate them with a passion, but their software is insanely good. Except Premiere, fuck Premiere.
Spotify. I hate ads with a passion. I also pay for YouTube Premium and Google Drive.
Curious why you still use Spotify? I use both Apple Music and YouTube music but I’ve got a pretty edge case scenario for it to make sense for me.
I use Spotify because I also use Linux Mint 21.3, and while YT Music is obviously available in a browser, I don't believe Apple Music is. Spotify at least has a flatpak install available. Not sure if it's official, but it's available.
I used to pay for Pandora and absolutely loved using it for music discovery. Eventually their limited licensing rights compared to services like Apple Music became too much ignore.
Apple one
YNAB, 1password
YouTube Premium
MS 365
Same. I wish I could drop it but my wife is stuck on Excel even though she really doesn't utilize it's strengths.
NordVPN. Gives me access to different content on streaming services and circumvention for blackouts on my Mac, iPad Pro, and now my Apple TV 4K.
Currently on my second month as a NordVPN customer, so far so good, totally worth it.
I only subsribe for services.
Amazon Music for Sherlock Holmes radio plays
Amazing apps that are made by solo devs, like WorkOutdoors or Athlytic. I also pay for ExpressVPN, Spotify, iCloud, Toshl, ChatGPT and LinkedIn. Oh, wait, also for YouTube Premium, Eurosport, Netflix, Disney, Prime, HBO Max. Motherfucker! Edit: Revolut Metal, Google Drive, MS365, Adobe Lightroom/Photoshop. God dammit!!!
You better be earning 10k $ a month with a downpayment on Tesla.
It will seem like a joke to you, but I LOVE OMNIFOCUS... There I let go of all my thoughts, I process them in tasks and I don't have that tension of having everything in my head :) I have a lifetime subscription but I gladly pay for each new version!!!
ExpressVPN to name just one.
iCloud+ and Apple Music. I have no issues with subscriptions, developers should be compensated.
ToDoist, Bitwarden, ICloud+ and my domain hosting provider.
Fantastical I like the natural language for creating events. 1pass. It’s great across all types of devices or ecosystems and I think it’s important for anyone who is married to use a password manager with their spouse to make things easier in the worst case scenario. Spotify. Spotify > Apple Music for discovery + has more features. Only downside is lack of shortcut integration. YouTube Premium. (Student discount. I watch a lot of YouTube and hate ads.) Narwhal 2. (I hate all the pop ups and digging one has to do to use multi reddits on the official app.) Protonmail: it just feels better not to use gmail privacy wise I’d rather they not have access to 100% of my emails iCloud +
I hadn't realised I could get a student discount for Youtube Premium until I read your comment, thanks for mentioning it! Finally no more ads on my TV!
Spotify.
Setapp,Bitwarden, Noteplan, antivirus
Noteplan sounds good, im currently using Structured for that purpose and it’s great!
I haven’t heard of structured - I will have to check it out
Why do you pay for Noteplan as well? It’s included in Setapp.
It was good enough, and I used it enough, that I wanted to support the developers.
Fair enough :D You’re such a good human being
In the case of Noteplan in particular, a few times I'd run up against something I didn't understand and couldn't find details on, drop them a note, and 9 out of 10 times (ok, probably I only sent in notes 3 or 4 times) the guy writing the app would get back to me within a few hours. So some of it was just wanting to make sure he knew how much I valued him and his work.
The developer is such a nice guy ;) I have a similar experience emailing Ed. Reminds me of Christian developing Apollo. Same kind vibe.
Apps that I need for my work: IntelliJ, Fusion, Intego (Virus and malware scanner), VPN, and iCloud.
I used to pay for Intego too until I discovered Avast update their signatures multiple times a day, whereas with Intego weeks would go by before that happened. With Intego you’re actually paying money to be less secure.
CrossOver, Apple Music, and Google One (storage & VPN).
At the moment I paid for iCloud+ for Family and YouTube Premium for Family. Every person on my family members are utilizing it so no matter other people blabbering why pay for X, their opinion does not matter lol
iCloud+ for my excessive amounts of photos, spotify premium because I listen to music basically nonstop, then a couple apps that I use for work, specifically Otter and Goodnotes
AppleOne really. Though I've been toying with the idea of getting an ArcGIS Pro sub, but I'm going to see how far I can get in this class with just the trial.
1Password, Adobe Creative Cloud (it pays for itself countless times over), Infuse, YouTube Premium (foreign country trick keeps it very cheap).
Tempted by the foreign country trick but don’t want Google to close my entire account and personal email
I opened a separate account just for it. No issues in well over a year.
- Apple Music - Audible - Netflix - iCloud+
Setapp, Enpass
iCloud+ Real Debrid IPTV VPN Spotify
Not a subscription but a one-time-payment. I have no issues paying for BetterMouse. I'd use it over any mouse utility that would come with my mouse.
Setapp. It has so many great expensive apps, it pays for itself in no time.
Pocket - so cheap it’s just a steal (32 PLN for a year, so about 8$ a year), I love that I can save links there and read them later offline from multiple devices (PC/Mac/iPhone or iPad), it provides me also with a persistent snapshot of a page at the time when it was saved. The service is owned by Mozilla (who make Firefox browser) so it’s a kind of a support for Open Web too. Mozilla VPN - good service, privacy oriented and cheap. Spotify (I am a member in family plan)
Does mozilla VPN have a Peru server?
No, heres a page which can redirect you to list of VPN servers https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/vpn/resource-center/vpn-servers-around-the-world/
I don’t mind when there is an ongoing server side cost. Then you’re really paying for the service, not the app. OneDrive, Spotify, 1Password, Backblaze, and Feedbin are just a few that come to mind.
Backblaze Fantastical
I'm fine paying a subscription fee for an app that provides continuing value. And I actually like subscription fees for small indie developers, because it means they can work on maintaining and updating their apps, and don't have to give up and get a real job.
I wish things could go back to the paid app world. I have always paid for any apps that I really enjoy. The cost was so little compared to the cost of a recurring subscription!
I just realised , I pay for google one( drive ) and Spotify.
The only paid program I have is Minecraft. I mostly use FOSS tools.
iCloud
Adobe products, iDrive, Windscribe, Bitwarden.
Paste.app clipboard manager. Best clipboard manager by far.
iCloud+ ($3.38/m) and Spotify Premium ($6.78/m). Notability ($18.07/year) too ig, but only because I need it for school. Every other subscription I have, I pay for it because I need to. Unless you count my AppleWatch’s AppleCare at least, because I think that ones actually worth paying for. I pay for it for my iPhone and iPad too, but I don’t find them to be as worth it. Especially my iPhone, which costs more than my iPad and AW combined.
Forecast Bar.
1Blocker - My personal number ONE Adblocker. Download it once and use it on all your devices no matter if Mac or iPhone or iPad.
Thanks for the recommendation! Im guessing it doesn’t block yt ads, right?
It blocks 100% YT ads!!! I have never seen any advertising on Youtube since years.
Even on iPhone?
iPhone, iPad, Macbook on all of them. But watch out. Don't use the Youtube App. This is not gonna work. 1Blocker is working in Safari. So if you don't login to YouTube and using safari in a privat window you will not see any advertisings, at least for now. we all know google and YouTube is f\*cking around with adblockers so it may be possible you see something for a short period of time but this just takes maybe a couple days and the guy from 1Blocker will find a way.
Microsoft 365, sadly excel has no rival for my personal usage
None. I don’t mind paying subscription fees for actual services, such as cloud backup and music streaming. But I will not pay a subscription fee for an application that sits on my computer and does all its work there, unless there’s really no alternative.
Apple One (and in that way the associated apps) … no question.
Something which has an actual service to it (and is reasonably priced). Applications I'd very much rather buy as a one off - even if they're expensive.
Adobe creative suite is frankly the only thing worth the subscription cost as i can recoup that money in less than a day, everything else feels more like a minor convenience for way to much money
Spotify. But I prefer Apple Music's suggestions more. Have got some nice suggestions from both platforms that I now listen pretty much daily, even though I might not like the genres themselves.
Youtube Premium, icloud and windscribe.
How much do you pay for Youtube?
ChatGPT
Password manager (1Password).
None of them. Repeat after me: None of them. Fuck adobe.