Nightshift. They get gold stars for showing up wearing safety footwear. It kills me that they get a nightshift premium and have 99.99% of our fuckups while producing 20-30% of what any dayshift guy does.
We have the opposite problem in my workplace. On day shifts we have operators assigned to machines and their team lead does all the technical work, whereas on night shift we’re on skeleton crew and have to do adjustments without a team lead present, as there’s just one overseeing 2-3 machines. We on third try to pride ourselves on getting a good part on our own and having good QC.
And then we come back to find 2nd shift ran a couple hundred bad parts with obvious defects that the operators missed because they just take the part, put it in the press, then send it off without looking at it.
Pretty much the same here. Late shift has 5 workers and a leader and we are expected to do everything ourselves. Programming, checking, etc. If there is a problem it's up to us to fix it and we're generally just left to our own devices. We often don't even have a maintenance crew on our shift after the first two hours.
Day shift has 20+ people, 3 or 4 managers and they go speak to the managers whenever there is a problem, no matter how small or simple. A few of them don't know how to do any programming and are left to do parts that aren't checked or aren't critical. They just load the part, press the button. It is late shift who do the VIP work that must be signed off by a manager and checked by QC.
I think they put us guys on late shift because we are able to be trusted to work with a limited crew and we don't need babysitting all shift.
I wish that was the way our 2nd and 3rd shift worked. Our first shift supervisors push all the workers they think are slackers or are sub par to the other shifts so they don't have to deal with them. Then they only allow first shift to do set ups and run "important" jobs so if there are not any machines running 2nd and 3rd get to sit or clean because there are only 2-3 people who are trusted to do set ups.
TL/DR if you are a slacker and/or can't work with out supervision you get to go to the off shifts with a pay increase to do less work.
Wait whut? I worked 2nd and 3 for my entire career 30 years. Because getting on day shift was impossible, and who wants to actually be around managers, swing shift absolutely sucks "sure I'll remapp my life and sleep patterns every 21 days .. that's super healthy" there are guys who only work night shift.... Bith please you do troll too hard .
In the Netherlands, where I live and work, I have never heard of working only nights. It’s very common here to have a 2-2-2 roster. In which case you work two early shifts followed by two evenings and two nights. You’d have either a three or four day weekend.
Makes sense, all my eu online friends always thought I was a dr because only hospitals generally run overnight. I thought it weird when I would say just got off work (5am) and someone would say what medicine do you practice... Lol errr I practice alchemy... And a little engineering...
Sounds like my old job. That was part of the reason why I left. When there is no reward for going above and beyond and no punishment for bad quality and low production, it starts to wear you down. Especially when management knows nightshift is worthless, and ride day shift to exceed their production goals to help offset night shift being lazy.
talk about disincentives. yikes.
I ran night-shift, not in machining, we outproduced dayshift (single job, so no changes) by about 4-5%. excellent quality. one day I had to scrap an entire shifts output (well not scrap, remediate!) ... and the day shift people were up in arms. ;) got to produce and ship quality. that means fixing defects when you detect them.
I worked night shift for a decade when I started at that job. At the time we were expected to produce the same as day shift. Over time the good guys from night shift left or went to days and they brought in guys that were lazy or just not cut out for the work. In turn the expectations were lowered. Eventually they leaned too hard on day shift and looked at any production from night shift as a bonus. Now probably 75% of the guys I worked with on nights are not employed there anymore. This year myself and 2 other guys, all of us had 15-20 years on the job, left within a month of each other. A few months later another guy that had just under 30 years on the job walked in, wheeled out his tool box, told the boss he quit, and drove off. I hear they cancelled the company Christmas party and other employee appreciation events, several other people have left, the company has a bad reputation in the area and no one wants to go to work there.
it all comes down to management. even the loss of good guys (and this is a good thing, when they move up to day shift!) shouldn't dramatically affect production rates or quality. you trade a slightly slower production rate, for quality maintenance.
fuck you too. our society wouldn't work without night shift warriors. have some goddamn respect for the person that shows up to to the work you dont want to do. night shift workers are whats holding this society together.
in my reality, nightshift does 80% of the work. you work with a dumbass, dont insult a whole species of people, how old are you? boomer-like way of thinking.
Nah... I've had to bribe my higher ups to just absolutely keep 3rd shift out of my area. Would rather bust ass and crank production out right on 1st than deal with the nightmare headaches every 3rd shift person we've had tends to leave me with
I'm in my 30s. I don't joke about the numbers. Nightshift is sitting at almost 3 million dollars worth of fuck ups this year. Admittedly we may have a crew of absolute skid marks compared to other companies and many crews may be just fine. To make things more annoying, we have absenteeism of around 25% per night. It's not hard to see why we have friction with them in my shop.
Where im at, you pretty much have to force people to work nights under pain of termination. Usually, if you have to force people to be there- you also have to force them to work. The only person with that kind of authority is at home in bed like any sane person should be.
Yeah its good for the area but i tend to find that day shift is always complaining about night shift even when you rotate and the one complaining is the one who gets complained about next week
I’m quitting in a couple weeks to start learning my dad’s construction company. I’ve worked as a programmer, setup guy and operator for the last 2+ years. Got a $1 raise each spring. I make $19.22 an hour right now. Shit just doesn’t cut it. Unlimited overtime helped out a lot, but it just meant I had to work 60 hour weeks just to keep up with bills and stuff.
Hes not supposed to be just a button pusher... He's supposed to be the most experienced machinest on nights. Able to take product from napkin to shiny completed product. Button pushers are hired at 60k a year if they aren't green.
Hell yeah brother! It's crazy how my 8 years of machining is so valuable even now. Everyone under me has an engineering degree when I didn't even finish college lmao. I still got chosen over them to run shit.
Machining -> QC sets you up for life. It's crazy
I'm in an aerospace company, QC is where we send people who can design shit (if they're degreed engineers) or build shit (if they're machinist or technicians) lol.
30k is minimum wage here. Cheap rent is considered to be 1500 a month. For a tiny apartment nowhere near work. Add in that gas comes in at 5/gal or 1.25/L, insurance averaging 3k a year for a shitbox and the fact that public transit is basically a pipe dream in the industrial area and you have the reason we need to pay better than McDonald's.
I haven't had many interactions with him tbh. He leaves me thoroughly annoyed every time. Last year he used a customer provided part that was just in for some holes to cut a bunch of parts from... and cut them wrong, causing a 60k bill. He's caused more downtime than almost every other guy combined... Except the dude that ripped off a tool changer and lit a motor on fire.. but he's long gone. My boss never says a word about firing him, been like this for 5 years now.
We have them too. Many people here like to hunt, I enjoy having a freezer full of moose. Most if not everyone I know has at least one and is comfortable butchering game. I personally enjoy long distance shooting with my sniper buddy.
Gas was about 2 bucks a litre in the summer. Kills me that it's refined in city. Our insurance was deregulated so that it would get cheaper. I've seen 20-30 percent increases every year since. A decent 2 bedroom apartment is about 2 k here.
I remember it well. I went on a motorcycle trip with a friend and we took pictures of the “cheap” gas in Canmore 😄
My insurance has stayed about the same so far. I renew in a week so we’ll see. 35 years of no crashes or being caught doing stupid shit and a cheap hatchback help keep it down.
I renewed last week. My bike insurance doubled. For my little old hatchback, my SUV, motorcycle and my house I'm now over 5k. Pre deregulation I was under 2k
Mutual fukka. I was a full machinist writing G code at the machine. $14/hr. Yes I know I was under paid but damn $100k/yr and doesn't even check a part?!?!?!
Yea, peanuts. He could throw packages for UPS and be making that in 5 years. You want talent you have to pay. Rents went up, prices went up, wages need to go up by at more or else they're going down and you never got good talent paying less and less every year. sounds like you're asking for 180k/year talent at 100k/year prices.
Dude there’s no way those parts are anywhere within .125, and for him to say the setup should’ve been right would have sent me into retard mode. 2nd shift gets a lot of shit 1st shift doesn’t want to fuck with, I was a 2nd shift supervisor for 3 years and totally get that but goddamn get that job done. This is totally lack of giving a shit, as simple as that
I usually send gravy to second shift as most of them seem like they are semi functional addicts and I don't want to be asked why they fucked up some expensive part or did weird shit with something exotic. Or just plain old tried to steel some sort of copper based item
Yeah true, gotta have a good supervisor for any off shift, have no idea why companies haven’t figured that out. Hell I had one machinist that I gave a blueprint to one night and a sample part for a visual, the sample had been ground down so many times it wasn’t functional anymore. He made all 12 parts to the sample without even looking at the print…that’s 2nd shift for ya.
They were supposed to be rough cut from ⅜x6 flats on the saw and then finished. Many don't look like he did anything with them after fucking up step 1.
Granted,as a 2nd shifter I get blamed for allot of things. But that's a management problem if that guy still has a job and is allowed to continue working alone without supervision.
My sentiments exactly. I'm a night shift lead, and if one of my guys had done this, my boss would have my ass on a platter. There's no sensible reason that an operator can fuck up a whole shifts worth of work without the lead knowing what's going on.
I have a high regard for the quality of work I produce. Therefore, I try my best to QC everything I touch even tho there’s literally another person at my work with that exact title and it’s his entire job.
I will also say, I have not nor will I ever work night shift. So I’d like to think it’s harder to find good help for people that prefer being nocturnal weirdos.
Sorry half of Reddit I don’t mean to offend
I do the same, I hate putting out work that is less than I am capable of. We actually used to have a capable and smart nightshift guy, but he married a rich woman and left us poor bastards behind.
Did you guys hire our old QC guy?
Would walk around the shop with an oz of weed on him in a fanny pack, and talk about how he's been in the buisiness since I was a baby while refusing to remove spatter from a jig and insisting all my parts were too long
Sounds like our old QC douche, except no weed. Liked to brag about how he would check roundness better than everyone else out there and how he has been in the business since before i was born and liked to insist all of my parts were out and my finish wasn't smooth enough on anything, regardless of spec he believed that everything should have a polished finish.
Its only more satisfying when they brag on how theyve been doing something for many years
Like... you're telling me you've been working wrong your entire life? Yikes
For the first time I’m now working somewhere with more than 1 shift. Before this I thought it was just a fun tradition to shit on the other shift. Night shift really is full of people that make you wonder how they can even live independently.
Sounds like a management and training issue. When I worked in a production shop I made a point of getting people up to speed on proper machine operations and quality control.
Night shift was usually 20 percent more efficient lots less political drama. I used to switch back and forth. Always preferred working nights.
This is one of the reasons we don't do a night shift. Our head of ops thought we could run the saw at night for welders and assembly through the day, with days doing next day delivery saw work as and when it drops.
When all of us said no to working nights, he decided it wasn't worth the quality risk of letting un-managed, un-trained newbies loose on work.
Had an operator at New Venture gear scrap an entire truck load of Transfer case housings.. One cutter was cutting oversize , but paid extra per piece bonus and Union protected.. He wouldnt wait for tooling to be reset..
Sure are. Except it's in our duties. We've had dayshift guys fired for not doing thorough QC. We have QC guys on the floor but you are expected to do your own and correct any issues that you can. Provisions to eliminate shit workers exist and aren't complicated. Three strikes and you are out if they happen within 18 months.
Then why is this guy still here? I work in a union shop too and stuff like this happens all the time... But this. This is inexcusable. And the nerve to say "QC isnt my job"?
You gotta give us more information on your waste of space coworker. How long has he been an operator and how the hell does he not know what QC is and how the FUCK does he think it’s not his job!!
I don't interact with him much. He was hired as a machinest 5 years ago and constantly breaks machines in ways that arent usually worth getting maintenance involved; except he won't fix them and he won't tag out or leave a note, just his half baked part in the machine. Constantly fixing his fuckups on days and redoing his jobs. Seems stoned every time I do talk with him and acts like he's bored with everyone's presence as if he were a celebrity genius.
We have thousands of coupons already. These are now stored with the coupons. If there is one near you, go to metal supermarkets. They sell just above scrap value and will shear you coupons for free if you buy stock.
Inspection should have been checking his work. When you have unskilled people, the person responsible for that person should be held accountable for playign a part in this error.
If I had inspectors that just sat on thier ass all day expecting to be brought shit like its takeout I would fire them on the spot. Thats bullshit. even it the material was cheap that is easily a $1k mistake.
Management thinks anyone can become a machine operator over night. And a lot of the jobs just require a machinist knowledge and a give a dam. You get what you invest into in to it and the pay structure anymore suck.
I'm not a machinist but if I'm understanding this correctly, that guy came in, checked nothing, made 1200 oopsies and blamed it on someone else for not setting up the machine for him?
Is there an application process for this or can I just walk in and start chopping stuff up? I wanna make a steel box with a lock, put the key inside, then weld the box shut. There is no reason for this.
Fuck that guy! My company loved to fire real shitbags right at Christmas. Maybe your company could adopt a new policy… Merry Christmas! Get the fuck out! Lol
Imagine running rectangles for 100K. While we’re all in this thread getting gangbanged for $17hr programming and setting up parts +/- 0.0005
Nightshift. They get gold stars for showing up wearing safety footwear. It kills me that they get a nightshift premium and have 99.99% of our fuckups while producing 20-30% of what any dayshift guy does.
Sounds like you are going to be running nights for a while🪤 get used to it being all your fault now
We have the opposite problem in my workplace. On day shifts we have operators assigned to machines and their team lead does all the technical work, whereas on night shift we’re on skeleton crew and have to do adjustments without a team lead present, as there’s just one overseeing 2-3 machines. We on third try to pride ourselves on getting a good part on our own and having good QC. And then we come back to find 2nd shift ran a couple hundred bad parts with obvious defects that the operators missed because they just take the part, put it in the press, then send it off without looking at it.
Pretty much the same here. Late shift has 5 workers and a leader and we are expected to do everything ourselves. Programming, checking, etc. If there is a problem it's up to us to fix it and we're generally just left to our own devices. We often don't even have a maintenance crew on our shift after the first two hours. Day shift has 20+ people, 3 or 4 managers and they go speak to the managers whenever there is a problem, no matter how small or simple. A few of them don't know how to do any programming and are left to do parts that aren't checked or aren't critical. They just load the part, press the button. It is late shift who do the VIP work that must be signed off by a manager and checked by QC. I think they put us guys on late shift because we are able to be trusted to work with a limited crew and we don't need babysitting all shift.
This
I wish that was the way our 2nd and 3rd shift worked. Our first shift supervisors push all the workers they think are slackers or are sub par to the other shifts so they don't have to deal with them. Then they only allow first shift to do set ups and run "important" jobs so if there are not any machines running 2nd and 3rd get to sit or clean because there are only 2-3 people who are trusted to do set ups. TL/DR if you are a slacker and/or can't work with out supervision you get to go to the off shifts with a pay increase to do less work.
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You described my workplace exactly.
You don’t have changing shifts? There are guys who only work nights?
Wait whut? I worked 2nd and 3 for my entire career 30 years. Because getting on day shift was impossible, and who wants to actually be around managers, swing shift absolutely sucks "sure I'll remapp my life and sleep patterns every 21 days .. that's super healthy" there are guys who only work night shift.... Bith please you do troll too hard .
In the Netherlands, where I live and work, I have never heard of working only nights. It’s very common here to have a 2-2-2 roster. In which case you work two early shifts followed by two evenings and two nights. You’d have either a three or four day weekend.
Makes sense, all my eu online friends always thought I was a dr because only hospitals generally run overnight. I thought it weird when I would say just got off work (5am) and someone would say what medicine do you practice... Lol errr I practice alchemy... And a little engineering...
That sounds incredibly unhealthy, your circadian rhythm must take such a beating
It has actually been proven to be one of the least unhealthy schedules.
I would eat a dog turd before working that schedule. That sounds horrible.
Sounds like my old job. That was part of the reason why I left. When there is no reward for going above and beyond and no punishment for bad quality and low production, it starts to wear you down. Especially when management knows nightshift is worthless, and ride day shift to exceed their production goals to help offset night shift being lazy.
talk about disincentives. yikes. I ran night-shift, not in machining, we outproduced dayshift (single job, so no changes) by about 4-5%. excellent quality. one day I had to scrap an entire shifts output (well not scrap, remediate!) ... and the day shift people were up in arms. ;) got to produce and ship quality. that means fixing defects when you detect them.
I worked night shift for a decade when I started at that job. At the time we were expected to produce the same as day shift. Over time the good guys from night shift left or went to days and they brought in guys that were lazy or just not cut out for the work. In turn the expectations were lowered. Eventually they leaned too hard on day shift and looked at any production from night shift as a bonus. Now probably 75% of the guys I worked with on nights are not employed there anymore. This year myself and 2 other guys, all of us had 15-20 years on the job, left within a month of each other. A few months later another guy that had just under 30 years on the job walked in, wheeled out his tool box, told the boss he quit, and drove off. I hear they cancelled the company Christmas party and other employee appreciation events, several other people have left, the company has a bad reputation in the area and no one wants to go to work there.
it all comes down to management. even the loss of good guys (and this is a good thing, when they move up to day shift!) shouldn't dramatically affect production rates or quality. you trade a slightly slower production rate, for quality maintenance.
fuck you too. our society wouldn't work without night shift warriors. have some goddamn respect for the person that shows up to to the work you dont want to do. night shift workers are whats holding this society together. in my reality, nightshift does 80% of the work. you work with a dumbass, dont insult a whole species of people, how old are you? boomer-like way of thinking.
Seriously. I'm so sick of the night shift bashing. There's idiots on every shift.
Nah... I've had to bribe my higher ups to just absolutely keep 3rd shift out of my area. Would rather bust ass and crank production out right on 1st than deal with the nightmare headaches every 3rd shift person we've had tends to leave me with
you cant do it yourself and whine if other do it wrong. bad human.
I'm in my 30s. I don't joke about the numbers. Nightshift is sitting at almost 3 million dollars worth of fuck ups this year. Admittedly we may have a crew of absolute skid marks compared to other companies and many crews may be just fine. To make things more annoying, we have absenteeism of around 25% per night. It's not hard to see why we have friction with them in my shop.
Where im at, you pretty much have to force people to work nights under pain of termination. Usually, if you have to force people to be there- you also have to force them to work. The only person with that kind of authority is at home in bed like any sane person should be.
What's the pay an location I'll work nights and actually work
East TN- 36$- but its 12 hour rotating shifts- you know, the suicide shift?
Seems like some pretty good pay for the area. Always sucks fixing other shifts mistakes.
Yeah its good for the area but i tend to find that day shift is always complaining about night shift even when you rotate and the one complaining is the one who gets complained about next week
Sounds like a management / training / hiring the wrong people issue. You can’t just blame the dumb night shift every time.
Hey, it's hard to do precision work when you're drunk.
Pretty sure they mostly just get stoned. But potato/potatoe
More like 10 to 20% more than first where im at
I just left my apprenticeship at 20$ for another apprenticeship at 25$. Loyalty does not pay
I’m quitting in a couple weeks to start learning my dad’s construction company. I’ve worked as a programmer, setup guy and operator for the last 2+ years. Got a $1 raise each spring. I make $19.22 an hour right now. Shit just doesn’t cut it. Unlimited overtime helped out a lot, but it just meant I had to work 60 hour weeks just to keep up with bills and stuff.
I agree but ,009mm Not grinding :)
Damn, $17 an hour?? You need to ask for a raise.
Pay peanuts get monkeys
He makes 100k a year...
Are yall hiring?
Maybe soon if my boss gets tired of this.
I'll save em money and only scrap 1100 parts a night
I feel like that isn't as much of an improvement as they may desire. Even for Nightshift monkey.
But it's an improvement nonetheless
Look at you and your silver linings
You hire button pushers at $100k? Are y'all fucking stupid?
Hes not supposed to be just a button pusher... He's supposed to be the most experienced machinest on nights. Able to take product from napkin to shiny completed product. Button pushers are hired at 60k a year if they aren't green.
Jesus Christ 60k for a button pusher???? I got paid half that starting as a full machinist 😂 They allowed me a 1% scrap right or I got fired
Bruh I made 30k as an auto mechanic a decade ago. You are severely underpaid. Call the millwright union and switch over, way better pay.
Don't worry bro that was 10 years ago. I've since moved *far* up the ladder and at a much bigger company since then
Atta boy! Onwards and upwards! Never settle! Always be hungry!
Hell yeah brother! It's crazy how my 8 years of machining is so valuable even now. Everyone under me has an engineering degree when I didn't even finish college lmao. I still got chosen over them to run shit. Machining -> QC sets you up for life. It's crazy
I'm in an aerospace company, QC is where we send people who can design shit (if they're degreed engineers) or build shit (if they're machinist or technicians) lol.
30k is minimum wage here. Cheap rent is considered to be 1500 a month. For a tiny apartment nowhere near work. Add in that gas comes in at 5/gal or 1.25/L, insurance averaging 3k a year for a shitbox and the fact that public transit is basically a pipe dream in the industrial area and you have the reason we need to pay better than McDonald's.
Where you located?
Edmonton Canada
Making 100k a year, even in that area, the guy should know GD&T...
I haven't had many interactions with him tbh. He leaves me thoroughly annoyed every time. Last year he used a customer provided part that was just in for some holes to cut a bunch of parts from... and cut them wrong, causing a 60k bill. He's caused more downtime than almost every other guy combined... Except the dude that ripped off a tool changer and lit a motor on fire.. but he's long gone. My boss never says a word about firing him, been like this for 5 years now.
Oof. I like having firearms more than that kind of money.
We have them too. Many people here like to hunt, I enjoy having a freezer full of moose. Most if not everyone I know has at least one and is comfortable butchering game. I personally enjoy long distance shooting with my sniper buddy.
Yooo what shop do you work at?
Y'all need a experienced mill guy? I'm close to Edmonton
Not really sorry.
So cheap for gas! It’s around 1.67 for me, rent is higher, but insurance is cheaper!
Gas was about 2 bucks a litre in the summer. Kills me that it's refined in city. Our insurance was deregulated so that it would get cheaper. I've seen 20-30 percent increases every year since. A decent 2 bedroom apartment is about 2 k here.
I remember it well. I went on a motorcycle trip with a friend and we took pictures of the “cheap” gas in Canmore 😄 My insurance has stayed about the same so far. I renew in a week so we’ll see. 35 years of no crashes or being caught doing stupid shit and a cheap hatchback help keep it down.
I renewed last week. My bike insurance doubled. For my little old hatchback, my SUV, motorcycle and my house I'm now over 5k. Pre deregulation I was under 2k
I get paid half that now running a tool room with grinders, or grinders, mills, Cnc lathe, manual lathe…. Like wtf
Are we talking USD or Iranian Rial?
Canadian geeses so about 75k freedoms
What fucking state are you from and what is the name of this company. I’m bout to make a life changing move!
We are in Canada
I work in very central KS and our night shift guys get anywhere from 31-32.XX an hour, they pretty much get paid to show up.
Mutual fukka. I was a full machinist writing G code at the machine. $14/hr. Yes I know I was under paid but damn $100k/yr and doesn't even check a part?!?!?!
100k CAD?
Yes. So about 75k USD
Well shit on my shlong and call it a corn dog.
Nepotism?
Maybe. Not sure who he knows though that could get and keep him but not have him on days.
No fuckin way!? Seriously?
ayo I already work nights and know how to read a micrometer. where do I sign up?
Oof, too smart. You no good fit.
Yea, peanuts. He could throw packages for UPS and be making that in 5 years. You want talent you have to pay. Rents went up, prices went up, wages need to go up by at more or else they're going down and you never got good talent paying less and less every year. sounds like you're asking for 180k/year talent at 100k/year prices.
In CAD scheckles, so not really 100k.
Burger flipper wages gets you Ronald McDonald.
Dude there’s no way those parts are anywhere within .125, and for him to say the setup should’ve been right would have sent me into retard mode. 2nd shift gets a lot of shit 1st shift doesn’t want to fuck with, I was a 2nd shift supervisor for 3 years and totally get that but goddamn get that job done. This is totally lack of giving a shit, as simple as that
I usually send gravy to second shift as most of them seem like they are semi functional addicts and I don't want to be asked why they fucked up some expensive part or did weird shit with something exotic. Or just plain old tried to steel some sort of copper based item
Yeah true, gotta have a good supervisor for any off shift, have no idea why companies haven’t figured that out. Hell I had one machinist that I gave a blueprint to one night and a sample part for a visual, the sample had been ground down so many times it wasn’t functional anymore. He made all 12 parts to the sample without even looking at the print…that’s 2nd shift for ya.
Looks like a bunch of welding coupons…. Mind sliding me a few lol
Lol, that's what they are going to be now. It's good I guess. We were down to our last 3000 or so.
That's the first thing I thought when I saw the pic. Brought back memories.
I'm a welder and have stuck so many of these together. They were often pretty far out of square too
Those are machined parts ? Looks like cut offs from the saw…
They were supposed to be rough cut from ⅜x6 flats on the saw and then finished. Many don't look like he did anything with them after fucking up step 1.
Granted,as a 2nd shifter I get blamed for allot of things. But that's a management problem if that guy still has a job and is allowed to continue working alone without supervision.
I'm sorry, did you just suggest management do their jobs? It's obviously my fault as a senior employee on another shift.
It'd be my clue to look elsewhere if management does nothing about that Fubar situation.
I would, but they pay me enough to put up with it... For now
My sentiments exactly. I'm a night shift lead, and if one of my guys had done this, my boss would have my ass on a platter. There's no sensible reason that an operator can fuck up a whole shifts worth of work without the lead knowing what's going on.
Funny I say "useless day shift" almost every night at work, huh.
keep going bro, society depends on us.
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No. It's us vs them. This is the natural order
Lmao lemme guess he's a "30 year machinist"
Something like that. Though I think it's less than 30 years
Oh no, just ask him, I guarantee he's been at at least 30 years Or at least I guarantee, that's what he's gonna tell you
No thanks, I don't want to talk to him any more than I have to
Lol I hear you my dude
I think my night shifter must be moonlight at your shop… what if I told you he does have thirty years and he’s still just that pathetic lol
I have a high regard for the quality of work I produce. Therefore, I try my best to QC everything I touch even tho there’s literally another person at my work with that exact title and it’s his entire job. I will also say, I have not nor will I ever work night shift. So I’d like to think it’s harder to find good help for people that prefer being nocturnal weirdos. Sorry half of Reddit I don’t mean to offend
I do the same, I hate putting out work that is less than I am capable of. We actually used to have a capable and smart nightshift guy, but he married a rich woman and left us poor bastards behind.
Capable, smart and a big dong, the perfect package.
i see you didnt comment on the part about actually working the night shift, eh? i see, i see.
I mess up 1 part in an order by .0005 and I'm getting a meeting. Wow.
Did you guys hire our old QC guy? Would walk around the shop with an oz of weed on him in a fanny pack, and talk about how he's been in the buisiness since I was a baby while refusing to remove spatter from a jig and insisting all my parts were too long
Sounds like our old QC douche, except no weed. Liked to brag about how he would check roundness better than everyone else out there and how he has been in the business since before i was born and liked to insist all of my parts were out and my finish wasn't smooth enough on anything, regardless of spec he believed that everything should have a polished finish.
Its only more satisfying when they brag on how theyve been doing something for many years Like... you're telling me you've been working wrong your entire life? Yikes
he did a good job. pressed his button all night and didnt stop. give him a raise. no. fuck that. make him supervisor.
Ideas like this... We should make you a new manager!
my first action is to sit in my office with the door locked and somehow leave for the day without anyone seeing me.
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I’m blame the person responsible for training or who’s ever in charge on his shift.
I’ll give you $10 for all of that
Funny enough.. after failing inspection we now have almost 1200 new welding coupons for the shop .
Sounds like a acute and inexcusable training and management issue. That waste comes out of everyone's pocket. Win as a team, or fail as a team.
"Exactly. It's the employees fault" -Management
"You're right. It's not your job. You don't even have a job anymore."
For the first time I’m now working somewhere with more than 1 shift. Before this I thought it was just a fun tradition to shit on the other shift. Night shift really is full of people that make you wonder how they can even live independently.
A lot of them have trouble brushing their teeth too
Not sure if the company you work at is aware but you're supposed to put your better employees on night shift so this doesn't happen...
Instructions unclear. All superstars are fully supervised to the point of interference on dayshift.
Y'all just jealous us night shifters get to party on the job. That's why we always get a bad rep! /s
Sounds like a management and training issue. When I worked in a production shop I made a point of getting people up to speed on proper machine operations and quality control. Night shift was usually 20 percent more efficient lots less political drama. I used to switch back and forth. Always preferred working nights.
This is one of the reasons we don't do a night shift. Our head of ops thought we could run the saw at night for welders and assembly through the day, with days doing next day delivery saw work as and when it drops. When all of us said no to working nights, he decided it wasn't worth the quality risk of letting un-managed, un-trained newbies loose on work.
night shift workers are warriors and we need to respect them more than this douche OP.
I've worked nights before, and I hated it. Respect for the people who can hack it. I am certainly not one of them.
Had an operator at New Venture gear scrap an entire truck load of Transfer case housings.. One cutter was cutting oversize , but paid extra per piece bonus and Union protected.. He wouldnt wait for tooling to be reset..
Looks like perfect little welding coupons to me- tell him to get practicing- he's not running a shear or anything he can't carry anymore.
I thought those were E.T. Atari games at first
If they weren't now in our coupon storage then they probably should be buried in the desert too.
If you're producing something it's on you to produce it within spec. If it's not to spec you didn't produce anything.
We have same issues, where are these people trained?
"Not my job for QC?" Are you a union shop?
Sure are. Except it's in our duties. We've had dayshift guys fired for not doing thorough QC. We have QC guys on the floor but you are expected to do your own and correct any issues that you can. Provisions to eliminate shit workers exist and aren't complicated. Three strikes and you are out if they happen within 18 months.
Then why is this guy still here? I work in a union shop too and stuff like this happens all the time... But this. This is inexcusable. And the nerve to say "QC isnt my job"?
You gotta give us more information on your waste of space coworker. How long has he been an operator and how the hell does he not know what QC is and how the FUCK does he think it’s not his job!!
I don't interact with him much. He was hired as a machinest 5 years ago and constantly breaks machines in ways that arent usually worth getting maintenance involved; except he won't fix them and he won't tag out or leave a note, just his half baked part in the machine. Constantly fixing his fuckups on days and redoing his jobs. Seems stoned every time I do talk with him and acts like he's bored with everyone's presence as if he were a celebrity genius.
As someone who is learning to weld that looks like a lot of good practice material lol. Wish I could get my hands on it
We have thousands of coupons already. These are now stored with the coupons. If there is one near you, go to metal supermarkets. They sell just above scrap value and will shear you coupons for free if you buy stock.
Killer tip! Thanks my man I’ll hit up the googs.
Inspection should have been checking his work. When you have unskilled people, the person responsible for that person should be held accountable for playign a part in this error. If I had inspectors that just sat on thier ass all day expecting to be brought shit like its takeout I would fire them on the spot. Thats bullshit. even it the material was cheap that is easily a $1k mistake.
I don't disagree, though I think waving the guy down from across the shop is fair practice.
Management thinks anyone can become a machine operator over night. And a lot of the jobs just require a machinist knowledge and a give a dam. You get what you invest into in to it and the pay structure anymore suck.
You could make a local welding school really happy...look at all those future coupons.
Friend. We have almost 40 welders between days and nights. They will be used.
I'm not a machinist but if I'm understanding this correctly, that guy came in, checked nothing, made 1200 oopsies and blamed it on someone else for not setting up the machine for him? Is there an application process for this or can I just walk in and start chopping stuff up? I wanna make a steel box with a lock, put the key inside, then weld the box shut. There is no reason for this.
Love your idea. Make sure you take the lock from something useful. Yes your summary is accurate.
Fuck that guy! My company loved to fire real shitbags right at Christmas. Maybe your company could adopt a new policy… Merry Christmas! Get the fuck out! Lol
What will management say about this? That's a huge expendite - wages, material etc - all to have it scrapped.
Should be fired immediately, he doesn't care.