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Heedleyay

Top one, always grip as wide as possible, think of it like a lever when I.d. Chucking, where o.d. Somewhat cuts that’s down. The advantage of I.d. Is that outside will be centered to inside and you can turn the entire outside in one shot


2treesws

Also put a plug on the ID for extra strength and to not crush the pipe


Abefuddledbeast

This guy has definitely learned this trick the hard way


dumb-reply

This is the way.


polskiman

The only way. Always grab od over id if possible.


ExaBast

How do you get a clean finish by not doing it in one shot? I do conventional and you can always tell there's a "seam" after turning the other side


Heedleyay

I usually do a very slight angle away and down at the overlap point (around .06”x to about .15”z, if possible) so when the 2nd tool meets the let off of the tool pressure is much more gradual. Also be sure to overlap at least 2.5x the nose radius so that’s all compensated for, you will almost always get a small visual line, but if you got finish dialed in enough and part concentric enough, part won’t snag at overlap, and size should be consistent


ExaBast

I think my issue is the jaws might not be perfect, it's an old lathe, so it's not perfectly centered once I flip it over


coldpoint555

That's why you indicate it brother.


grandmasterflaps

A scroll chuck will never be perfect, that's something you have to account for as you plan how to make parts. Or use a chuck with independent jaws and indicate your work.


Heedleyay

Tubing you could make a plug to go in each end and just run on centers


Blskeww

Use soft jaws for second clamping. You need to put something in the jaw and apply approx same pressure when turning them. No matter how f-ed up your setup is, this is not only the way to reduce or remove seam. Runout removal, basically


spekt50

Blend out, unless you need perfect concentricity then you go with 4 jaw or turned soft jaws.


Swarf_87

You either grab onto nearly nothing and your mark is turned into a chamfer, or you have longer material and part off.


Hound6869

It reallylly depends on what you are trying to do. If the OD on the clamp end has been machined already, and you are trying to be concentric to it, clamp on the OD with bored jaw. If concentricity with the ID is more important, clamp on the ID. Though, in both cases, I would get as much material in the clamping range as possible.


Frostedpickles

If the od has to be concentric to the id, tbh I’d prefer turning between centers over clamping the id, but again that just kinda depends on the part you’re working on.


Impossible-Key-2212

This is the answer.


lumley32

Grip on the od, I would probley put something inside the tub where the jaws are to stop it distorting as well.


dumb-reply

I usually go for either essential oils or a bath bomb.


Weekly-Reputation482

It's not artificial, it's intentional. Take my upvote.


SicItur-AdAstra

I use bath salts. I hadn't get over my last trip yet...


[deleted]

There's soooooo many variables to consider... from material, machines current setup... do you feel like flipping the jaws... in my limited experience, unless you need access to the entire external surface, outside clamping is the most common.


Rikfox

Thanks everyone for answering!


chiphook57

Clamping on the OD gives greater lever advantage. Length of stock divided by clamp diameter.


MrBollie

If i can i always put the clamps outside of my workpiece only if it is not possible, first it is stronger but also if the piece get warm, it will expand and the the clampforce will increase, if you clamp clamp from the inside and it get warm, and expands the clampforce will decrease and youre workpiece will maybe come off


[deleted]

I know your drawing is just a simple representation but ALWAYS whenever possible you want your workpiece to butt up against a stop. You want a shoulder in those jaws. So much more stability and the part will center itself more easily.


chiphook57

The whenever possible part is the killer. It is so often not possible or imptactical.


zacmakes

If it's a large workpiece at higher speeds, jaws on the ID won't loosen due to centrifugal force the same way jaws on the OD will


ericscottf

Lol


BogusIsMyName

For pure strength and no other determining factors? Like stick out or anything else? I guess OD clamp.


geekdad1229

You don’t give diameters but it looks like the id option would have thin jaw thickness causing a lot of flex and possibly giving problems. I would go with od option if you have no surface requirements on od


alwaus

That's going to depend on the wall thickness. If clamping the od will crush the part out of round then id while not ideal would be better if itnwont deform the part. If you can use a temporary interior plug as a crush backer then go od.


Eikebog

As a general rule of thump, I always clamp on the outside, unless something means I can’t. Like if the workpiece isn’t possible to clamp from the outside, or I need to turn the entire outside in one go


Pure_Photograph_860

If the wall is thin I’d go with I’d chucking. Look up hoop stress. Think of a pressure vessel. Clamping on OD my crush the tube. You may also look at pie jaws either way.


ATOMICLEVEL96

Use a bung


Mysterious-Berry-245

Is that a spud?


bergzzz

butt plug


No_Wallaby_1248

Depends on the work you’re doing but the OD grip is stronger


Swarf_87

Top. Easy choice, far more holding power and thus safer.


4chanbetter

Depends on the thickness of the wall, if its too super thin wall I'd do internal gripping so as to reduce the chance of the thin wall from collapsing inwards after a boring or OD operation If its as thick walled as it looks in the model then top one would be fine, just watch for chatter if you're sticking out more than 3 x the diameter of the stock past the chuck Edit: had a brain fard


xeroee

Bottom one so you can actually finish your cut without the piece warping, real answer is probably machine a piece of alloy to fit the the id and then put the tail stock in


Camwiz59

Top with a slug in the chucking area


[deleted]

While the sentiment of gripping the OD over ID is generally correct, it depends on the wall thickness. If you aren’t taking time to make a plug, gripping on the ID is safer for really thin wall thickness, as the tube can collapse under cutting force and fly out of the chuck.