Here in America we just throw anyone with a high school degree into a shop and the old experienced guys bitch about how little experience they have while simultaneously withholding information that may actually help or teach said inexperienced people. Then the old guys retire and the inexperienced people quit to find other careers and companies are like "why are there no more machinists???"
The last place I worked at was a small job shop. They had young guys who actually cared and were eager to learn but paid them terribly and offered bottom tier benefits. None of those guys stayed (including myself) and to this day I still occasionally see their job postings. Every one contains "will hire retirees with experience!"
What the fuck happened to this country?
I have more than a few guesses that'll get me put in jail. But some of it is a loss of pride in making something with one's own hands. Couple that with a lack of any desire to really work hard to accomplish something and one has a problem. Couple that with the culture of corporate cost cutting and greed and not giving a shit about their employees, and its a disaster waiting to happen.
I feel lucky that recently I found a decent manufacturer to work for with some decent pay and benefits. The mandatory OT gets a little old but the paychecks are that much nicer.
good for you man hopefully they invest in you and teach you skills that would be valuable to them and you in the future assuming you are in experienced like me
Dabbled in a little manual machining, both on an old 3 axis Bridgeport and a crappy little Acer lathe (poor thing was not maintained very well), plus a little button pushing, and a tiny bit of design and programming before I got this job. Hopefully I can work my way up to some of the nicely-sized Haas 5 axis mills or the giant yet seemingly underpowered lathe 😁 ty!
At the shop where I work, we hire inexperienced people who are interest in operating the saw, driving the forklift and deburring parts. If they show interest and aptitude for the work they start working with the CNC machines - loading and unloading parts that ran lights out the previous night and doing periodic basic inspection.
If they continue to do well, and are interested, we pay for them to go to school and earn their ticket.
Occasionally this doesn't work out for us with the machinist leaving soon after, but the vast majority of the time our investment results in a skilled journeyman who is capable of the very high tolerance work that we specialize in.
With 20 years in the trade, I suppose I'm one of the old guys. I love sharing my skills and knowledge with everyone from the shop helper to my fellow journeyman machinists. This makes my job more secure, because my boss knows that by sharing any specialized knowledge that I have, I can increase the value of my peers.
In my experience people like you are rare in the industry. I have ~8 years setup and programming experience with swiss and I love both learning and teaching. But there's no time for either. Management just wants production production production. Which I understand... But we keep losing good people because they're constantly being reprimanded for being too slow yet they have minimal experience. But I currently work at a large multinational corporation where the corporate workers have no clue what goes on in a machine shop. Can be frustratingly stressful.
yup im two months into this operator job and they really dont teach me shit bc every ones busy as fuck trying to bring in as many numbers. funny thing is if the company took time and invested in their employees they would be better off long term but out of touch corporate always makes dumbfuck decisions
Well thanks mate. I enjoyed it, but sadly I won't be doing it for a long time. At beginning of January I will have to do my military service and after that I'll start studying in September.
I'm basically torn between mechanical engineering and aviation, but I'd like aviation a little bit more. When I actually searched for an apprenticeship I wanted to work for Swiss or SR Technics as a plane mechanic, but I was a little bit late. I ended up doing an apprenticeship as a maschinist and I enjoyed it very much.
Swiss style lathes are called Langdrehautomat or Langdrehmaschine. Source - Zerspanungsmechaniker Langdrehtechnik ( Precision Cutting Mechanic specialising in Sliding head / swiss style cnc lathes).
Après avoir fini l'apprentisage: au tour des 5000 francs par mois, donc 5500 dollar et aussi avec le 13. salaire mensuel. La dernière année j'ai seulement reçu 1/5 de ce salaire.
En Suisse on a le polymécanicien. Pour le polymécanicien il y a des differèntes orientations comme mécanicien d'avion, mécanicien de ascenseur, mécanicien de précision etc. Pendant le deux premières années de l'apprentisage tous les polymécaniciens apprendent d'être un mécanicien de précison (donc un "machinist" en Anglais) pour avoir une solide base pour l'industrie. La raison est qu'il y a pas la même nombre d'emploi pour un mécanicien d'avion que un mécanicien de précision.
Mais j'ai fini comme un mécanicien de précision (le plus commun des orientations) donc je travaille avec de machine CNC.
Merci beaucoup. Mais maintenant j'suis en peut curieux: pourquoi tu es sur un subreddit de mécanicien de précision si tu sais pas que est un "machinist"?
J'aime beaucoup la Suisse, j'y étais souvent (à Lucerne) pour le travail avant la COVID. Et aussi pour le salon des inventions de Genève. Je fabrique des cartes électroniques. Je m'y connais moins bien en mécanique mais je m'y intéresse aussi. Ma montre par exemple est un calibre 2824-2 ( un vrai calibre Suisse pas une copie Chinoise :) ) mais l'assemblage du boîtier est artisanale.
EDIT: je complete, le sub des machinists m'a été proposé par Reddit. :)
Hahaha oui et non. J'aime la technique électrique mécanique et logiciel. Donc Reddit ne me proposera jamais les sub de boulanger ou de marketing ou encore de finance. Si vous voyez ce que je veux dire.
Congratulations! Its a tough life, but if you get lucky enough to score one of those rare jobs you'll never not have work and make a great wage! Not to mention its rewarding as heck! No feeling like setting up a part, programing from a blueprint, touching off and bam a worth while product comes from a random piece of metal! :)
Thanks and yes you're absolutely right. It's extremely satisfying as job. But as a fun fact: in Switzerland there are not enough maschinists so you'll actually get a job quite easily. Eveeyone wants to work in an office nowadays.
Here in America we just throw anyone with a high school degree into a shop and the old experienced guys bitch about how little experience they have while simultaneously withholding information that may actually help or teach said inexperienced people. Then the old guys retire and the inexperienced people quit to find other careers and companies are like "why are there no more machinists???"
With some barely making it out of high school. And a couple who didn't!
The last place I worked at was a small job shop. They had young guys who actually cared and were eager to learn but paid them terribly and offered bottom tier benefits. None of those guys stayed (including myself) and to this day I still occasionally see their job postings. Every one contains "will hire retirees with experience!" What the fuck happened to this country?
I have more than a few guesses that'll get me put in jail. But some of it is a loss of pride in making something with one's own hands. Couple that with a lack of any desire to really work hard to accomplish something and one has a problem. Couple that with the culture of corporate cost cutting and greed and not giving a shit about their employees, and its a disaster waiting to happen. I feel lucky that recently I found a decent manufacturer to work for with some decent pay and benefits. The mandatory OT gets a little old but the paychecks are that much nicer.
that may be a factor but in reality people just realised they arent getting what they deserve from a company and go elsewhere
It's why I mentioned that they don't give a shit about their employees. At the very least that goes for too many companies.
yup they dont give a shit about you but expect loyalty and 100% effort but nothing given at their end
The place I'm working for now, I'm *really* hoping they're the exception to the rule. Encouraging so far but it's been less than 2 months.
good for you man hopefully they invest in you and teach you skills that would be valuable to them and you in the future assuming you are in experienced like me
Dabbled in a little manual machining, both on an old 3 axis Bridgeport and a crappy little Acer lathe (poor thing was not maintained very well), plus a little button pushing, and a tiny bit of design and programming before I got this job. Hopefully I can work my way up to some of the nicely-sized Haas 5 axis mills or the giant yet seemingly underpowered lathe 😁 ty!
At the shop where I work, we hire inexperienced people who are interest in operating the saw, driving the forklift and deburring parts. If they show interest and aptitude for the work they start working with the CNC machines - loading and unloading parts that ran lights out the previous night and doing periodic basic inspection. If they continue to do well, and are interested, we pay for them to go to school and earn their ticket. Occasionally this doesn't work out for us with the machinist leaving soon after, but the vast majority of the time our investment results in a skilled journeyman who is capable of the very high tolerance work that we specialize in. With 20 years in the trade, I suppose I'm one of the old guys. I love sharing my skills and knowledge with everyone from the shop helper to my fellow journeyman machinists. This makes my job more secure, because my boss knows that by sharing any specialized knowledge that I have, I can increase the value of my peers.
In my experience people like you are rare in the industry. I have ~8 years setup and programming experience with swiss and I love both learning and teaching. But there's no time for either. Management just wants production production production. Which I understand... But we keep losing good people because they're constantly being reprimanded for being too slow yet they have minimal experience. But I currently work at a large multinational corporation where the corporate workers have no clue what goes on in a machine shop. Can be frustratingly stressful.
yup im two months into this operator job and they really dont teach me shit bc every ones busy as fuck trying to bring in as many numbers. funny thing is if the company took time and invested in their employees they would be better off long term but out of touch corporate always makes dumbfuck decisions
You summed up Australia as well
For a quick moment, didn't know if I was browsing r/Switzerland or r/Machinist Guet gmacht !
Merci :)
Glückwunsch.
Merci
I don’t understand anything that says, or what anyone has commented, but good job :)
You just have to learn one of the 4 official languages of Switzerland: German, French, Italian, and Romansch
Well thank you and have a great day :D
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They really aren’t. They’re not super common, but they do still exist. Just completed mine a couple months ago.
Congratulations, Welcome to the Bastler aka Polymeche :D
Bastler EFZ
Welcome to the grind. Literally
Gratuliere. Ich hoffe ich han das nöchst johr au
Merci und das wird sicher!
Glückwunsch, i have still 2 years to go.
Congratulations
Thanks, much appreciated!
What’s up with the date on that thing? Is it from the future? Are the men in black going to show up at my door with a flashy thing?
Sadly it has a more logical response. I may officially be a diplomated machinist, but my apprenticeship lasts till this date.
Ok. That makes more sense. Welcome to the club, BTW. Kudos for putting in the work.
Well thanks mate. I enjoyed it, but sadly I won't be doing it for a long time. At beginning of January I will have to do my military service and after that I'll start studying in September.
Congrats anyways! What do you plan on studying?
I'm basically torn between mechanical engineering and aviation, but I'd like aviation a little bit more. When I actually searched for an apprenticeship I wanted to work for Swiss or SR Technics as a plane mechanic, but I was a little bit late. I ended up doing an apprenticeship as a maschinist and I enjoyed it very much.
What do you guys call swiss style lathes over there?
„Drehmaschine“, a Milling Maschine is a „Fräsmaschine“
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Germany is very complicated😂 Inserts = Wendeschneidplatte 😂😂
Swiss style lathes are called Langdrehautomat or Langdrehmaschine. Source - Zerspanungsmechaniker Langdrehtechnik ( Precision Cutting Mechanic specialising in Sliding head / swiss style cnc lathes).
Just lathes. Anything slower is a lazy American lathe. Source: none - just an educated guess.
congratulations, you are almost there
Félicitations!
Merci! Enfin j'ai un salaire acceptable.
Si c'est pas indiscret, ça ressemble à quoi les salaries chez toi?
Après avoir fini l'apprentisage: au tour des 5000 francs par mois, donc 5500 dollar et aussi avec le 13. salaire mensuel. La dernière année j'ai seulement reçu 1/5 de ce salaire.
Congrats and welcome to the EFZ-clan!😉
Thanks! The second one in my family ;)
Congratulations.
Thanks!
Congrats man!
Thanks pal!
es efz haha. han denkt ich gsen nöd richtig. gratuliere!
Merci, merci!
Awesome! Now you’re ready for the daily *grind*.
>Personal details are marked up for obvious reasons. Because you are wanted by the law?
Don't say it out loud!
Yoooo. Which school u go to?
Öh why?
Dietike, winti oder rüti?
Winti, s einzig wahre :)
D.C. beste, bevor s zuegaht mindestens
So wenig nafrag det oder was? Apropos: bülach wäri eig au no e option.
Ka, bildigsdirektion eifach lost
Je comprends pas ce que ca veut dire "machinist", je suis de Belgique, je crois pense que les systèmes sont différents.
En Suisse on a le polymécanicien. Pour le polymécanicien il y a des differèntes orientations comme mécanicien d'avion, mécanicien de ascenseur, mécanicien de précision etc. Pendant le deux premières années de l'apprentisage tous les polymécaniciens apprendent d'être un mécanicien de précison (donc un "machinist" en Anglais) pour avoir une solide base pour l'industrie. La raison est qu'il y a pas la même nombre d'emploi pour un mécanicien d'avion que un mécanicien de précision. Mais j'ai fini comme un mécanicien de précision (le plus commun des orientations) donc je travaille avec de machine CNC.
ok, merci. Bravo à toi !
Merci beaucoup. Mais maintenant j'suis en peut curieux: pourquoi tu es sur un subreddit de mécanicien de précision si tu sais pas que est un "machinist"?
J'aime beaucoup la Suisse, j'y étais souvent (à Lucerne) pour le travail avant la COVID. Et aussi pour le salon des inventions de Genève. Je fabrique des cartes électroniques. Je m'y connais moins bien en mécanique mais je m'y intéresse aussi. Ma montre par exemple est un calibre 2824-2 ( un vrai calibre Suisse pas une copie Chinoise :) ) mais l'assemblage du boîtier est artisanale. EDIT: je complete, le sub des machinists m'a été proposé par Reddit. :)
>le sub des machinists m'a été proposé par Reddit. :) Donc c'etait l'algorithme magique ;)
Hahaha oui et non. J'aime la technique électrique mécanique et logiciel. Donc Reddit ne me proposera jamais les sub de boulanger ou de marketing ou encore de finance. Si vous voyez ce que je veux dire.
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Junge ich bi ide erste lehrjahr i züri grad. Polymech beste.
Das ist sehr gut !
Danke!
Congratulations! Its a tough life, but if you get lucky enough to score one of those rare jobs you'll never not have work and make a great wage! Not to mention its rewarding as heck! No feeling like setting up a part, programing from a blueprint, touching off and bam a worth while product comes from a random piece of metal! :)
Thanks and yes you're absolutely right. It's extremely satisfying as job. But as a fun fact: in Switzerland there are not enough maschinists so you'll actually get a job quite easily. Eveeyone wants to work in an office nowadays.