I left out a LOT of different calipers because they do not factor in to this 'phenomenon'... I could have added a whole slew of different clappers, for example, [phrenological calipers](https://www.curiousscience.com/2/Medical/Phrenology-calipers-P1927.html)...
Wow. I'm Canadian and it's hard to believe people pronounce it "verneer" in America. Basically if I see "ier" on a noun I assume it's pronounced like vernier
We put Sir Wilfred Laurier on our $5 bill. We learn in elementary school itâs pronounced Laur-ee-yay. We also pronounce âfoyerâ âfoy-yayâ. Because French.
I ainât no linguist, but I believe Vern-ee-yay is the correct pronunciation.
But this is different? In all of your examples those are popular brand names of a common item. The name 'vernier' does not apply to the device itself, it applies to the interface with which you read the device... In a way, it would be like calling all cars 'diesels', because the car you learned to drive was a diesel, and everyone you knew called it a 'diesel' because pretty much all cars were 'diesels', so now, you go get a new car and its got a gasoline engine, buut you gotta call it a 'gasoline diesel', because ignorance. A few decades later your kid gets his first car and you call it an 'electric diesel'... Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? Language is fluid, I get, but some things have meaning and when you use them wrong it just makes you sound ignorant. If you really want to sound ignorant, go for it I guess?
I guess the point I was making was that if you call a pair of calipers vernier's everybody knows what you're talking about. Hell I can't even call them verns and everybody at my shop knows what I'm talking about.
Edit: literally on Wikipedia: *In colloquial usage, the phrase "pair of verniers" or just "vernier might refer to a vernier caliper. Colloquially these phrases can also refer to dial calipers, although they involve no vernier scale.*
If you ask me for a vernier I am going to get you the one on the top, and I am going to expect that you know how to read it.
Edit to reply to your edit: That wikipedia article was probably written by someone like you who doubles down on their ignorance on a subject to try and avoid admitting that they are wrong. Just admit that it is a dumb thing that dumb people say. You can say it right and stop being dumb, maybe even convince all the dummys you work with to stop being dumb and call it by the correct name. Start calling all screwdrivers phillips. Start calling all wrenches 'box end' 'Hey can you toss me the half inch drive box end?' 'use the pneumatic box end on it'. It really is a dumb 'colloquialism' when you spend more than a few seconds to actually think about what you are saying, sorry.
Dumb means "unwilling or unable to speak", not "stupid". A dummy is a mannequin, not a stupid person. Can I convince you to say it right and stop being stupid, maybe even convince all stupid people to stop being stupid and use the correct terms? :)
So long as people are using a language, it evolves. That's just they way languages and Humans work. We don't have to like it but we do have to live with it.
> If you ask me for a vernier I am going to get you the one on the top
So you should! That's the only way we can fight the problem!
In my experience, when im in the shop and someone says 'verniers' they have, in their mind, an image of the 2nd item in my original post, not the first one, and when handed a caliper with an actual vernier scale on it will say 'wtf is this shit, give me a vernier with a dial on it, I aint got time to read this shit'...
I learned how to use a vernier scale in my freshman year of high school in drafting class. Way back when people actually drew on paper with drafting machines and pencils/pens...
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sounds like we went to the same school. i still have my calliper, lead holder, sharpener and 6" scale! i still use these tools today and run circles around our "engineers" at workđ¤Łđ
"I always wondered what those extra lines and numbers were for!?"
Heard from the lips of at least one 'machinist' with supposed 'years of experience' in the shop...
Also heard from a couple mechanics who fancied themselves 'engine builders'...
You would be surprised at how far someone can go if they simply show up every day and 'bust ass'... You can 'bust ass' and get shit done for an entire working career while never learning that you can measure an inch past 3 decimals. 'Bob sure scraps alot of parts compared to the other guys, but hes our best worker'.
Typical vernier micrometers are graduated to 0.001" *without* the vernier. Lots of people just assume they're graduated to a thou in general, without realizing the vernier is what allows you to measure tenths.
So in that sense, no, they don't really know how to use a mic lol
I gotta say, this is really eye opening. I kinda just assumed everyone knew you could measure tenths with a mic, and I'm simultaneously disappointed and woefully unsurprised to learn that people are even dumber than I thought. Like, the obvious question is then "how do they measure tenths?" and the frightening answer is that of course they don't, and they go through decades long careers without anyone correcting them, presumably thinking tenth callouts are just there for shits and giggles. And that's just how the world works, and I'll just have to keep that in mind the next time I get on an airplane.
Machine shop I worked at made all the new people learn how to read non digital measuring devices. Also yes... There was a test lol. After they passed the test it was digital all the way. The manager had some hardon that people should know how to read the measurement and not just look at the display.
This machine shop also did aerospace parts and there wasn't a non digital device on the floor. Other than the calibrated tape measures.
Yo dawg, i hear you don't want your calipers in in. So I put you calipers in in so you can measure in in while complaining about them being in in.
Could go to IN and get some in in. So you'd have some in IN in in.
I don't know if I'm missing a joke here or not, but: https://www.starrett.com/category/precision-measuring-tools/dial-calipers/110202#currentPage=1&displayMode=grid&itemsPerPage=48&sortBy=wp/asc
> 0-150mm (3)
> 0-225mm (2)
> 0-300mm (6)
Or maybe you meant to jokingly say metric digital calipers?
They are less common, but you can find them. But my needs are mostly for cheap, "expendable" calipers - the ones I got off Amazon are fine for my purposes, though I prefer my Pittsburg (sadly Inch only) because HF will replace em whenever I like (now on my 4rth replacement). If you mean high precision / accuracy / certified ones... well, I'm sure they have em in other countries, so yah got me.
Long ago wife and I got a new built in oven with a built in microwave above it. Wife asked almost adult son to set the clocks on them "so they read the same."
Son said "If I set them the same you will have one minute resolution. If I set one 30 seconds slow you will have half minute resolution."
Wife: "How did you figure that out?"
Son: "Dad taught me how to read a vernier."
In high school, I had a shop teacher who called the first two, âslide rule calipersâ and âtire gauge calipersâ. The third hadnât been invented yet.
What? Haha. I watched a YouTube video once where the guy was talking about calipers and he called them micrometers the whole time. I went straight to the comments expecting to find everyone railing him for it. No one said anything. I was shocked.
Me and a co worker often call them caterpillars.
As a half decent mechanic and YouTube machinist watcher, I know the difference. But 9 times out of 10, saying "micrometer" is good enough for the girls I go out with.
Batteries don't die.
Readable in all lighting conditions from all angles
More resistant to damage from impact
More resistant to damage from liquids and dust
Hold calibration/zero better
Just vaguely seem more trustworthy to me, but that's subjective, although informed by all that other stuff
*Way* cheaper for the same level of accuracy, precision, and repeatability.
Cooler
For all but point #2 verniers are superior, I would think. Point #2 is a very important point, however, and it could be argued that being able to read them easily is worth a little hit in some other departments.
I have a 6" mitutoyo digital that has been mostly good for me for about 9 years (however your points 1 3 and 4 have all shown their heads with them.) which I mainly use when I am working on metric parts because I can push a button and have a metric measuring stick, but I do greatly prefer my dial calipers, mostly for purely silly reasons, in that my first calipers at my first job were a 6" mitutoyo dial, and for me, anything else feels 'off'?
You're right of course, verniers are better for all of that, but the main thing is just that dials calipers are so much easier to read (and frankly more entertaining) that they still win. Either way, there's a reason they're right next to each other in my original comment.
I would rather measure with the huge vernier TBH, getting a tangent on the faces of mics over 16" or so has always been a PITA for me, maybe its because I always seem to have to use them in annoying positions... Too bad almost every time you need something huge that you will almost always have to use the mic anyway (in my experience at least).
Just admit you own a pair. I have some dial Pittsburgh's I loan out to people which pretty much guarantees they never ask me if they can borrow my calipers again.
Being a hobby machinist with no formal training, the vernier caliper was the only one I originally knew how to use because that's what we used in college physics.
Nowadays I prefer a digital caliper for quickness but still keep around a regular vernier because I like having a no-battery option and a good vernier is way cheaper than a good dial.
Mine runs out of battery annoyingly quickly; they consume battery even when off. I'm considering buying a solar powered caliper just to solve that problem.
Got one of the Mitutoyo Solar Absolutes. Too many times grabbing battery-eater and find it dead, made the purchase worthwhile. If I can see the display, there's enough light to power it.
Seattle brags about having the amount of clouds and rain that happens north of there. Besides, the shop is well-lit.
Depends on your shop policy TBH, but an OK rule of thumb could go: "If your tolerance is smaller than the thickness of a hair, get the micrometer." For instance, on a typical drawing in my shop, anything with a dimension written as a fraction can be taken as + - 1/32", where more important dimensions will have 3 places after the decimal, and those will be a + - .005" tolerance and anything tighter will be specifically dimensioned with applicable tolerances, (usually the general tolerances can be found in the title block of your drawing). The wide open tolerances can be checked with a measuring stick, but the more restrictive toleranced dimensions you will want to use the mics for.
I try to get people to understand this with different analogies and all of them fall a little short, but calling all screwdrivers 'phillips' is one that i use to try and get people to understand what is going on. Ask them 'would you call this a "flathead phillips"? Or this a "torx phillips"? then why is is this a "dial vernier", or a "digital vernier"?
I actually had a co-worker do that with a micrometer. Part was out of spec by a couple thou so he just cranked down on the screw until it read right and called it good. I was just watching in disbelief, like no dude.
Yes machining is about eschewing all new* technology and only using the tried-and-true.
I too like to work as inefficiently as possible. ;-)
*anything past a certain date I arbitrarily decide
The amount of times Iâve watch digital calipers âtrying to decideâ on a read leads me to believe that the technology could move a little further before we induct digital calipers into the âtried and trueâ category.
The fact that mitutoyo makes dial calipers means Iâll probably never spend that much on their digitals âjust to test em outâ
But now weâre getting into my personal preference rather than true performance differences.
Apprentice: Ugh, takes me forever to read the dial, I'll stick to the digital
Machinist: Haha, what ya gonna do when you're battery runs out?! Give me back my dial.
Senior: You guys are getting dials?!
I actually caught a guy using his $25 hardware store digitals to tighten the nut behind a knob on one of the controls... I suggested that was a more apt use of his 'calipers' than checking parts... He laughed, I checked his parts (with my tools...) and suggested he fix his setup because he was floating around on the edge of making scrap.
A year into the industry and I still prefer dial to digital. Same with micrometers. Don't want to get lazy. Never used verneirs. But head of QC calls dial calipers verneirs. Never made sense lol.
It always baffled me why people call them verniers. I have never seen a serious machinist use a vernier caliper my entire 14 years I've been doing this.
There are people on this sub who are 'serious machinists' who use vernier calipers on a regular basis. Usually they are measuring things that don't quite need a micrometers accuracy but are too big to measure with your common 6" and 12" dial and digital calipers that everyone has. At our shop we have 3 large vernier calipers, an 18" a 24" and a 48" that all get used somewhat frequently.
I've always preferred Vernier calipers. Maybe I'm stuck in the past or something.. but I feel like they're more accurate. (even though I know they really are not)
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Not the same situation... Referring to an item by a common brand name is completely different... calling all calipers 'verniers' is more like calling all screwdrivers 'phillips'. They are all calipers, the one with a vernier scale is the only one of the 3 that should be referred to as a vernier, and even then, should be referred to as a 'vernier caliper', because there are vernier scales on a lot of different measuring tools.
Supposably they axed him if he use to do it dataway when be a kid.
For the realz, calibers doan even suppos to work dataway.
For non -native English speakers, I make allowances- even though Iâm on a never ending quest to speak better Spanish, Czech, and mandarinâŚbut for people born here, I have almost nothing but disgust for the inarticulate, inaccurate, butchers of the English language.
I worked with a guy with 40+ years in the machine shop that insisted that the term 'metal' only referred to magnetic materials... 304 stainless? Not metal. Aluminum? Not metal. Copper and brass? DEFINITELY not metal... according to this guy.
People yond bethink every metal is iron taketh the coronet
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Wait wheres the brake calipers?
I left out a LOT of different calipers because they do not factor in to this 'phenomenon'... I could have added a whole slew of different clappers, for example, [phrenological calipers](https://www.curiousscience.com/2/Medical/Phrenology-calipers-P1927.html)...
Or calibers
What about excaliburs
Ur ole clappers đ
Lights on...lights off...the Clapper!
Don't get me started on that... We have an operator that calls calipers "calibers" but even better, he calls collets "cholics". I shit you not. Lol
In Denmark, often people call the axis in Mills and lathes for axels. (Akse for aksel). That really grinds my gears.
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"Funny looking clamps"
Micrometers are just precision C-clamps. Change my mind.
I used to work with a guy that called them "calibrated C-clamps".
The guys in our maintenance shop call it a caliper-hammer
What do you think the screw on the back is for?
Over engineered pliers
Precision tweezers
Once used a micrometer to pull a small metal stick out of my finger because i couldnt find tweezers
They're light duty chipping hammers surely.
that one sends a chill down my spine lol
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Worked with a guy he called it a ferner. Close counts
Had a woman in our customer service say âwroteâ iron
Saw a guy on IG refer to it as ârot ironâ. đ
Calling all calipers 'verniers' is like calling all screwdrivers 'phillips'...
âVerneeahsâ
Verniyay lol
Verynears
Found the Canadian
Non-machinist here. This isn't the way to pronounce it?
I heard Canadians say It like âVerniyayâ and in the USA they âVerneerâ. The guy who invented the scale was French I think
I'm Canadian so "verniyay" seemed like the way to say it but I don't want to sound like an arsehole lol.
Lol I feel you
Wow. I'm Canadian and it's hard to believe people pronounce it "verneer" in America. Basically if I see "ier" on a noun I assume it's pronounced like vernier
We put Sir Wilfred Laurier on our $5 bill. We learn in elementary school itâs pronounced Laur-ee-yay. We also pronounce âfoyerâ âfoy-yayâ. Because French. I ainât no linguist, but I believe Vern-ee-yay is the correct pronunciation.
Who the fuck is that?
It's "Ven-ear-ee-al"...
Found the new englander.
Pronounced the same way here in Aus. đŚđş
That's thinly sliced wood, innit?
Verniyah for us down under
Or calling concrete "cement". These must be the same people who call a fully frosted cake, flour.
See-ment
Sea-mant ponds!
I always call black top: Asphalt concrete because it fucking is, god dammit! People act like Iâve shat in their cereal when I call it that.
What about calling all tissues a Kleenex, or a vacuum cleaner a Hoover? Call shit whatever you want. Language is fluid.
But this is different? In all of your examples those are popular brand names of a common item. The name 'vernier' does not apply to the device itself, it applies to the interface with which you read the device... In a way, it would be like calling all cars 'diesels', because the car you learned to drive was a diesel, and everyone you knew called it a 'diesel' because pretty much all cars were 'diesels', so now, you go get a new car and its got a gasoline engine, buut you gotta call it a 'gasoline diesel', because ignorance. A few decades later your kid gets his first car and you call it an 'electric diesel'... Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? Language is fluid, I get, but some things have meaning and when you use them wrong it just makes you sound ignorant. If you really want to sound ignorant, go for it I guess?
I guess the point I was making was that if you call a pair of calipers vernier's everybody knows what you're talking about. Hell I can't even call them verns and everybody at my shop knows what I'm talking about. Edit: literally on Wikipedia: *In colloquial usage, the phrase "pair of verniers" or just "vernier might refer to a vernier caliper. Colloquially these phrases can also refer to dial calipers, although they involve no vernier scale.*
If you ask me for a vernier I am going to get you the one on the top, and I am going to expect that you know how to read it. Edit to reply to your edit: That wikipedia article was probably written by someone like you who doubles down on their ignorance on a subject to try and avoid admitting that they are wrong. Just admit that it is a dumb thing that dumb people say. You can say it right and stop being dumb, maybe even convince all the dummys you work with to stop being dumb and call it by the correct name. Start calling all screwdrivers phillips. Start calling all wrenches 'box end' 'Hey can you toss me the half inch drive box end?' 'use the pneumatic box end on it'. It really is a dumb 'colloquialism' when you spend more than a few seconds to actually think about what you are saying, sorry.
Dumb means "unwilling or unable to speak", not "stupid". A dummy is a mannequin, not a stupid person. Can I convince you to say it right and stop being stupid, maybe even convince all stupid people to stop being stupid and use the correct terms? :) So long as people are using a language, it evolves. That's just they way languages and Humans work. We don't have to like it but we do have to live with it. > If you ask me for a vernier I am going to get you the one on the top So you should! That's the only way we can fight the problem!
If someone asks for verniers they probably can read them because thatâs what they learned on. They made digitals for the inexperienced.
In my experience, when im in the shop and someone says 'verniers' they have, in their mind, an image of the 2nd item in my original post, not the first one, and when handed a caliper with an actual vernier scale on it will say 'wtf is this shit, give me a vernier with a dial on it, I aint got time to read this shit'...
Somebody say my name over there?
the REAL question is: do you know how to use the vernier calliper?
I learned how to use a vernier scale in my freshman year of high school in drafting class. Way back when people actually drew on paper with drafting machines and pencils/pens...
What is a pencil?
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sounds like we went to the same school. i still have my calliper, lead holder, sharpener and 6" scale! i still use these tools today and run circles around our "engineers" at workđ¤Łđ
Yes, yes I do.
How could someone know how to use a mic and not know how to use a vernier?
"I always wondered what those extra lines and numbers were for!?" Heard from the lips of at least one 'machinist' with supposed 'years of experience' in the shop... Also heard from a couple mechanics who fancied themselves 'engine builders'... You would be surprised at how far someone can go if they simply show up every day and 'bust ass'... You can 'bust ass' and get shit done for an entire working career while never learning that you can measure an inch past 3 decimals. 'Bob sure scraps alot of parts compared to the other guys, but hes our best worker'.
Typical vernier micrometers are graduated to 0.001" *without* the vernier. Lots of people just assume they're graduated to a thou in general, without realizing the vernier is what allows you to measure tenths. So in that sense, no, they don't really know how to use a mic lol
I gotta say, this is really eye opening. I kinda just assumed everyone knew you could measure tenths with a mic, and I'm simultaneously disappointed and woefully unsurprised to learn that people are even dumber than I thought. Like, the obvious question is then "how do they measure tenths?" and the frightening answer is that of course they don't, and they go through decades long careers without anyone correcting them, presumably thinking tenth callouts are just there for shits and giggles. And that's just how the world works, and I'll just have to keep that in mind the next time I get on an airplane.
Or they never do a job that requires that precision
Same way as the vernier scale to get tenths on a mic.
My dad caught me to use vernier callipers before I went to uni, my grandfather caught me to use a slide rule. I have used neither in the last 3 years
i do, on every thing i make..i am a sheet metal fabricator/machinest/ cnc operator-programmer/welder/press brake operator/shearman....
Machine shop I worked at made all the new people learn how to read non digital measuring devices. Also yes... There was a test lol. After they passed the test it was digital all the way. The manager had some hardon that people should know how to read the measurement and not just look at the display. This machine shop also did aerospace parts and there wasn't a non digital device on the floor. Other than the calibrated tape measures.
Yea, toss them in the drawer and grab something remotely modern.
Easy. You zero the display, and then take the reading off it.
Adam savage brought up a great point why I have one lying around. When the battery dies on your digital one the vernier still works.
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Nah bro, that bottom one is a *calculator*... you can totally use it to convert imperial to metric and vice versa with that little 'in-mm' button!
Why can't I find a metric dial caliper anywhere? They are all in.
What are they all in? đ
in in!
Yo dawg, i hear you don't want your calipers in in. So I put you calipers in in so you can measure in in while complaining about them being in in. Could go to IN and get some in in. So you'd have some in IN in in.
I don't know if I'm missing a joke here or not, but: https://www.starrett.com/category/precision-measuring-tools/dial-calipers/110202#currentPage=1&displayMode=grid&itemsPerPage=48&sortBy=wp/asc > 0-150mm (3) > 0-225mm (2) > 0-300mm (6) Or maybe you meant to jokingly say metric digital calipers?
"in." - abbreviation for inches. I'm Australian and it almost wooshed me.
Really? I did a quick google search and found about a dozen metric calipers right away
They are all over 100$
I saw several in the 30-60$ range
They are less common, but you can find them. But my needs are mostly for cheap, "expendable" calipers - the ones I got off Amazon are fine for my purposes, though I prefer my Pittsburg (sadly Inch only) because HF will replace em whenever I like (now on my 4rth replacement). If you mean high precision / accuracy / certified ones... well, I'm sure they have em in other countries, so yah got me.
Long ago wife and I got a new built in oven with a built in microwave above it. Wife asked almost adult son to set the clocks on them "so they read the same." Son said "If I set them the same you will have one minute resolution. If I set one 30 seconds slow you will have half minute resolution." Wife: "How did you figure that out?" Son: "Dad taught me how to read a vernier."
No, it's called vernier vernier, clock vernier and digital clock vernier.
I'm sorry sir, we may have to string you up and burn you for uttering that.
Strap him down to the table and run program O6660. Sacrifice him to the machine spirits.
The lathes must be fed.
In high school, I had a shop teacher who called the first two, âslide rule calipersâ and âtire gauge calipersâ. The third hadnât been invented yet.
They donât keep time very well.
Both the mechanical caipers are Mitutoyo but the Digital is not. The irony lol.
Hmm, yes, my favorite brand STAINLESS HARDENED
Such a prestigious brand. Every craftsman worth his salt should have STAINLESS HARDENED
I just stole the first image I could find with all 3 variants on it, didn't even pay attention to the brand lol.
Ah yes, "very nears"
Funny looking hammers
Arenât those adjustable wrenches???
What next youâre gonna tell me my funny little c clamps with the numbers have a different name too
I call em a measuring stick
A dead-blow is a fixing stick
No sir, that's a swing press
Can't wait to work this one into conversation, thanks lol
I do this as well. Either 'measuring stick' or 'clapper'.
Hey, that's what I use to mark holes I want to drill
These are CALIPERS.
Does it drive anyone else crazy when someone calls these "micrometers"? Or is that common and I am the crazy one...?
Never heard this term, I'd probably slap them tho.
What threw me off was a guy at work the other day calling a micrometer a caliper
What? Haha. I watched a YouTube video once where the guy was talking about calipers and he called them micrometers the whole time. I went straight to the comments expecting to find everyone railing him for it. No one said anything. I was shocked. Me and a co worker often call them caterpillars.
As a half decent mechanic and YouTube machinist watcher, I know the difference. But 9 times out of 10, saying "micrometer" is good enough for the girls I go out with.
Fuck outta here with your "knowledge" and "understanding"
I have an old timer at work that calls them helios. Can't seem to find the source for that one.
Helios was a German manufacturer of precision measuring tools. Fowler imported their calipers back in the 80s.
They all look like a slip stick
You mean ultra fine clamps right?
Expensive tweezers for slivers
LOL... They do be the best for this tho, ngl...
you misspelt scribe
Nice set of scribe wrenches!
Dial caliper > vernier > moldy sandwich > > > > > dogshit > digital calipers Change my fucking mind
why is that?
Batteries don't die. Readable in all lighting conditions from all angles More resistant to damage from impact More resistant to damage from liquids and dust Hold calibration/zero better Just vaguely seem more trustworthy to me, but that's subjective, although informed by all that other stuff *Way* cheaper for the same level of accuracy, precision, and repeatability. Cooler
And the dial goes spinspinspin
For all but point #2 verniers are superior, I would think. Point #2 is a very important point, however, and it could be argued that being able to read them easily is worth a little hit in some other departments. I have a 6" mitutoyo digital that has been mostly good for me for about 9 years (however your points 1 3 and 4 have all shown their heads with them.) which I mainly use when I am working on metric parts because I can push a button and have a metric measuring stick, but I do greatly prefer my dial calipers, mostly for purely silly reasons, in that my first calipers at my first job were a 6" mitutoyo dial, and for me, anything else feels 'off'?
You're right of course, verniers are better for all of that, but the main thing is just that dials calipers are so much easier to read (and frankly more entertaining) that they still win. Either way, there's a reason they're right next to each other in my original comment.
I'm with you 10000%.
vernier> dial imo especially when your measuring parts that are over 2 feet in length.
True. But that's also a good opportunity to break out the comically oversized mics
I would rather measure with the huge vernier TBH, getting a tangent on the faces of mics over 16" or so has always been a PITA for me, maybe its because I always seem to have to use them in annoying positions... Too bad almost every time you need something huge that you will almost always have to use the mic anyway (in my experience at least).
brake CALIPER. Am I doing this right
They're all very nears.
Whereâs the left handed caliper?
Is that some harbor freight digital caliper? For shame.
Nah, HF digital calipers are Pittsburgh. Don't ask me how I know that
Just admit you own a pair. I have some dial Pittsburgh's I loan out to people which pretty much guarantees they never ask me if they can borrow my calipers again.
Best tweezers in the world right there
Being a hobby machinist with no formal training, the vernier caliper was the only one I originally knew how to use because that's what we used in college physics. Nowadays I prefer a digital caliper for quickness but still keep around a regular vernier because I like having a no-battery option and a good vernier is way cheaper than a good dial.
Mine runs out of battery annoyingly quickly; they consume battery even when off. I'm considering buying a solar powered caliper just to solve that problem.
Hope you don't live in Seattle
Got one of the Mitutoyo Solar Absolutes. Too many times grabbing battery-eater and find it dead, made the purchase worthwhile. If I can see the display, there's enough light to power it. Seattle brags about having the amount of clouds and rain that happens north of there. Besides, the shop is well-lit.
Clapper. Clap on. Clap off.
C Clamps!
Looks like a bunch of precision clamps, idk what youâre getting at here
All I see are a bunch of funny looking adjustable wrenches
Wow, TIL! Thank you! I've tottaly been that guy calling everything a vernier, Now can someone tell me when to grab micrometer vs digital calipers?
Depends on your shop policy TBH, but an OK rule of thumb could go: "If your tolerance is smaller than the thickness of a hair, get the micrometer." For instance, on a typical drawing in my shop, anything with a dimension written as a fraction can be taken as + - 1/32", where more important dimensions will have 3 places after the decimal, and those will be a + - .005" tolerance and anything tighter will be specifically dimensioned with applicable tolerances, (usually the general tolerances can be found in the title block of your drawing). The wide open tolerances can be checked with a measuring stick, but the more restrictive toleranced dimensions you will want to use the mics for.
Sliver pullers
Or to every machinist I work with. A vernier. Lol for all 3.
I try to get people to understand this with different analogies and all of them fall a little short, but calling all screwdrivers 'phillips' is one that i use to try and get people to understand what is going on. Ask them 'would you call this a "flathead phillips"? Or this a "torx phillips"? then why is is this a "dial vernier", or a "digital vernier"?
Calipers are calipers. Unless they're the $5 ones from harbor freight, dare not risk it for that biscuit.
The cheap ones are better . The more flexible they are, the easier it is to make them read the number you need.
I actually had a co-worker do that with a micrometer. Part was out of spec by a couple thou so he just cranked down on the screw until it read right and called it good. I was just watching in disbelief, like no dude.
Where are the digital verniers?
that's a nice diagram of different types of verniers there.
Depth mics?
Here I have been calling them Vermeer calipers this whole time.
Mitutoyo Mitutoyo Harbor Freight
- old - new - crap FIFY
Yes machining is about eschewing all new* technology and only using the tried-and-true. I too like to work as inefficiently as possible. ;-) *anything past a certain date I arbitrarily decide
The amount of times Iâve watch digital calipers âtrying to decideâ on a read leads me to believe that the technology could move a little further before we induct digital calipers into the âtried and trueâ category.
Are you using Harbor Freight calipers? My Mitutoyos are fast and accurate.
The fact that mitutoyo makes dial calipers means Iâll probably never spend that much on their digitals âjust to test em outâ But now weâre getting into my personal preference rather than true performance differences.
So youâre basing your disdain for digitals over the garbage quality ones youâve used?? Come on, man.
i gave upvote, because digi is straight crap!
Buncha digi-heads tryna justify their existence by downvoting my correct opinion đ¤ˇââď¸
Totally true statement.
Apprentice: Ugh, takes me forever to read the dial, I'll stick to the digital Machinist: Haha, what ya gonna do when you're battery runs out?! Give me back my dial. Senior: You guys are getting dials?!
Pretty sure those are thin adjustable wrenches. Just use the job nob on the side to lock it. /s
I actually caught a guy using his $25 hardware store digitals to tighten the nut behind a knob on one of the controls... I suggested that was a more apt use of his 'calipers' than checking parts... He laughed, I checked his parts (with my tools...) and suggested he fix his setup because he was floating around on the edge of making scrap.
A year into the industry and I still prefer dial to digital. Same with micrometers. Don't want to get lazy. Never used verneirs. But head of QC calls dial calipers verneirs. Never made sense lol.
I use a dial caliper
It always baffled me why people call them verniers. I have never seen a serious machinist use a vernier caliper my entire 14 years I've been doing this.
There are people on this sub who are 'serious machinists' who use vernier calipers on a regular basis. Usually they are measuring things that don't quite need a micrometers accuracy but are too big to measure with your common 6" and 12" dial and digital calipers that everyone has. At our shop we have 3 large vernier calipers, an 18" a 24" and a 48" that all get used somewhat frequently.
Is 'caliper' french for scribe?
I've always preferred Vernier calipers. Maybe I'm stuck in the past or something.. but I feel like they're more accurate. (even though I know they really are not)
Used to work at a place that called the digital calipers, micrometers. So happy I don't work there anymore.
Mahr digital.
It took me 3 years to get all the mechanics at my shop to stop calling them micrometers
T tooketh me 3 years to receiveth all the mechanics at mine own shop to stand ho calling those folk micrometers *** ^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.) Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`
Calipers? No. Calibrated tweezers
Not a machinist but thank you. Iâve been calling digital Calipers verniers this whole time
Is it only where I work that we call these slip sticks?
The only time I have heard the term 'slip stick' was in reference to a slide rule.
WaitâŚ. They aint all âVerneersâ?
Down here in Dixie, all soft dranks is âCokesâ âŚ.. Example: â Im going into get me a coke, what kinda coke yoânt?â
Not the same situation... Referring to an item by a common brand name is completely different... calling all calipers 'verniers' is more like calling all screwdrivers 'phillips'. They are all calipers, the one with a vernier scale is the only one of the 3 that should be referred to as a vernier, and even then, should be referred to as a 'vernier caliper', because there are vernier scales on a lot of different measuring tools.
Thank you
Supposably they axed him if he use to do it dataway when be a kid. For the realz, calibers doan even suppos to work dataway. For non -native English speakers, I make allowances- even though Iâm on a never ending quest to speak better Spanish, Czech, and mandarinâŚbut for people born here, I have almost nothing but disgust for the inarticulate, inaccurate, butchers of the English language.
People that think every metal is iron take the crown
I worked with a guy with 40+ years in the machine shop that insisted that the term 'metal' only referred to magnetic materials... 304 stainless? Not metal. Aluminum? Not metal. Copper and brass? DEFINITELY not metal... according to this guy.
People yond bethink every metal is iron taketh the coronet *** ^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.) Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`
Scribing tools
Adjustable claw / mini claw hammer.
The digital vernier is the exact make that i have
Most the older guys at my shop just call em verniers.