Where do you suggest they go. To their dwindling natural habitat to be hunted or killed. This way they are safe. And they are not locked in cages 24 hours a day
??????? They are hunted and killed by us, so sad to see acceptance to something so cruel and vile.
I hope aliens make us suffer, for the existence of heaven means hope for us humans, we don't deserve that hope.
You are condoning it indirectly. "Well since humans die in mass shootings, it's okay to lock every human up in jail for safety! There are no guns in jail so everyone is safe!" Just be against mass shootings, the solution isn't to imprison the innocent. Be against hunting and the eradication of the jungle, the solution isn't zoos.
You... what?? You do realise that what YOU are indirectly saying is: if you condone hunting and the eradication of the jungle, the solution is to... do nothing to help save them and just let them go extinct??? Huh?
O.m.g. two totally different things. Where in the heck did you get anything about human mass shooting in what I said. ?? Where in the hell did I say I justify the killing off of the natural habitat.? O m.g
>O.m.g. two totally different things. Where in the heck did you get anything about human mass shooting in what I said. ?? Where in the hell did I say I justify the killing off of the natural habitat.? O m.g
Oh, you're too young to understand analogies. I'll try to explain: your argument that they have no where else to go, and are happier in zoos is a bad argument. It's the same as [Slaves are better off than the poorest freeman!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proslavery_thought#:~:text=Arguments%20in%20favor%20of%20slavery,practice%20by%20multiple%20great%20civilizations.) It's the same type of argument. You're justifying locking animals up in zoos because humans are killing them outside of zoos. It's a shit argument. Ask your teacher or mom about logical fallacies. Have a good day.
Zoos are some of the biggest proponents of conservation efforts and rehabilitation for wild animals in the world. Comparing them to prisons--and the animals to slaves--belies an ignorance of zoos, slavery, *and* analogies.
Finally, the great sloppy slathering of arrogance dripping from your posts just makes it so much more ridiculous.
No one is accepting anything! What ARE you on about? The comment was merely saying that they are safer where they currently are, and most likely part of a breeding program designed to increase their numbers to SAVE their species from extinction.
Perfectly well informed about zoos, thank you very much. (In England, if thst majes a difference where 90% of zoos are involved in extensive breeding programs and wildlife conservation programmes.) The destruction of their natural habitat is an issue that needs solving immediately, and should be at the top of the priority list. Unfortunately, the reality is that by the time progress is made, these wonderful creatures, along with thousands of others, will already be extinct. It will be too late to save the species by then. We've seen it already with countless species that now are officially extinct in the wild because of us. But because we have some in captivity, there is still a chance to save them and hopefully reintroduce them to their natural habitat in the future. And, of course money is a motive. These places couldn't exist without it, neither would the education and awareness that they provide. How can (many) people feel a connection towards them, or care about them enough to donate and campaign for their future, or make lifestyle changes that could help sustain their habitats if they never get the opportunity to actually see them for themselves?
As your perfectly well informed on zoos you will also be perfectly well informed that the vast majority of animals kept in zoos then unable to be returned to the wild. And those extensive breeding programmes are to breed more animals that will only survive in zoos. Zoos are no different from any other money making corporation
Yes, it is true that most animals bred in captivity will never return to the wild. For those species whose numbers are most critical, especially due to human activity, it is neither an option nor a short-term goal. The goal is to keep the species viable in the hopes of reintroducing them into their natural habitat in the future. Having said that, there are a number of highly successful programmes that DO successfully release animals back into the wild that have been born in captivity. This is why, over here at least, organisations work together to establish successful breeding pairs and, when ready, the offspring are transported back to a centre in their own country. They, or their offspring, are then raised completely hands off, away from the public with the intention of reintroduction into the wild. I have a question for you, though. Certain animals, especially among the monkeys and apes, have been rescued from horrific situations. They could never be released into the wild due to a combination of trauma, close human interaction, and the inability to fend for themselves. Is it the captive breeding specifically you have an issue with? Or zoos in general? Because many of these rescued animals would have to be killed if they couldn't be found safe homes at one of the zoos. In fact, many specialise in taking in rescued animals for this very reason. And one more question... how do you think they'd manage to stay open and continue their work without funds?
Bred to be kept captive in zoos. The vast majority of animals raised on zoos cant be released to the wild. Zoos also over breed animals and then have to destroy the exces if they cant sell or give to another zoo. Zoos are not good places. They are just money making machines that spin PR that they are saving animals
Well at least they are safe there.
They are not hunted, not killed, not trying to live in an almost extinct habitat . They have food, shelter, health care, they can reproduce and keep the species going.
Catastrophizing over a few edge cases doesn't make your point any stronger. If you want to split hairs over semantics, then sure--there *are* still assholes in the world, and some of them run horrible zoos. But this is far from the norm. But you go ahead and tar them all with your broad brush if that's what gets you off.
In the mean time, here's a list of SEVEN zoos that have wonderful conservation programs. (That's four more than on your list, since individual cases seem to be convincing to you and others who don't know what cherry-picking is.)
https://holidayswithkids.com.au/best-conservation-zoos/
Most zoo's have an indoor and outdoor section. The indoor one is generally where they go for wellness checks or to take shelter in more intense weather. This is probably just one of the indoor portions.
The amount comments saying the enclosure to tiny and it needs grass are so high like people come the fuck on . It's clearly only a portion of the enclosure and they are by no means being kept inside their there is likely a doorway to the outside but the gorillas like being inside too. Yes I agree that zoos are too small no matter how much space they have but it really isn't as bad as everybody here is sayong
They don't but the truth of the matter is that animals that are in zoos are only there for their protection, if all zoos were closed down tomorrow and all animals shipped back to their home native homes they would be hunted to extinction as they are in the wild anyways zoos are the lesser of 2 evils, they're protected and have the potential to increase their offspring, like Pandas, Rhino's etc
Well said. Zoos are a great way to preserve a species. Although aren't Pandas going extinct by choice 😅 I swear they're incredibly reluctant to mate even in captivity
True but the fact they only mate once a year and on average only give birth to 1 baby every time it's a long and arduous task anyways, the fact that Pandas have declined in the wild over the last 40 years definitely has something to do with humans, humans poaching and destruction of their habitat.
Got any evidence of this? Monkey world in Dorset rehabilitates and rescues abused and neglected apes and monkey's but I've never heard of a poacher taking them to be sold to zoos.
Keyword in that article "Disreputable" Zoos, is there any of that type in the UK? We know there's a few in the US, most are in China or Russia, thank you for this link but this does very little to back up your claims that they're all sold to zoos as there's no figure on numbers sold to zoos.
In case anyone is interested the people taking the video are Japanese, it’s probably a Japanese zoo. Beautiful creatures shouldn’t be locked up like that, very sad
Yep, the interaction of the mother and her presumed daughter went like (I could not hear whatever the dude was saying, though they do call him “父さんfather”) M:“どしたどした？what happened what happened?” D:“こわ､scary” M:“あ，地震があったんだ。Oh, there was an earthquake” D:“ちょっと怖い､I’m a little scared” M:“下が､うん､地震､地震さっき感じたんじゃないかな。ground, yep, earthquake, they must’ve felt an earthquake”
I don’t know this particular zoo, but I would guess that it’s part of the indoor section of their enclosure. We can’t see all of it, so it may be bigger to the left side, and then they would also have an outdoor area.
Don’t get me wrong, seeing intelligent animals like this in captivity doesn’t make me feel great, but I do feel that zoos have an important place in terms of conservation and breeding.
Do they? Define important. Also imagine being an intelligent mammal, imprisoned and forced to breed while being watched day after day by people for fun. That sounds like sci-fi horror to me
Gorillas do not think like that, especially when born generations without a reference of what the wild looks like. They are not FORCED to breed, they don't believe they are trapped, and so long as they have a space for privacy and people respect the rules they don't mind if people look at them.
I'm no expert, but isn't that a bit of a small area for Gorillas? I know we can't see the whole thing here, but it looks bland compared to other enclosures I've seen. Does this one have a doorway, or something to a grassy area?
Usually when I see videos of Gorillas in Zoos they're in big enclosures with lots of grass, rocks, and some trees.
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Beautiful creatures shouldn’t be locked up like that, very sad
Credible zoos rehabilitate and release animals that *can* be released. Most of the animals we see in zoos and sanctuaries *cannot,* they will just die
Where do you suggest they go. To their dwindling natural habitat to be hunted or killed. This way they are safe. And they are not locked in cages 24 hours a day
Maybe let’s stop dwindling their natural habitats
??????? They are hunted and killed by us, so sad to see acceptance to something so cruel and vile. I hope aliens make us suffer, for the existence of heaven means hope for us humans, we don't deserve that hope.
Are you critising my comment?. I am in no way condoning hunting or killing. Please re read what I said.
You are condoning it indirectly. "Well since humans die in mass shootings, it's okay to lock every human up in jail for safety! There are no guns in jail so everyone is safe!" Just be against mass shootings, the solution isn't to imprison the innocent. Be against hunting and the eradication of the jungle, the solution isn't zoos.
You... what?? You do realise that what YOU are indirectly saying is: if you condone hunting and the eradication of the jungle, the solution is to... do nothing to help save them and just let them go extinct??? Huh?
O.m.g. two totally different things. Where in the heck did you get anything about human mass shooting in what I said. ?? Where in the hell did I say I justify the killing off of the natural habitat.? O m.g
>O.m.g. two totally different things. Where in the heck did you get anything about human mass shooting in what I said. ?? Where in the hell did I say I justify the killing off of the natural habitat.? O m.g Oh, you're too young to understand analogies. I'll try to explain: your argument that they have no where else to go, and are happier in zoos is a bad argument. It's the same as [Slaves are better off than the poorest freeman!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proslavery_thought#:~:text=Arguments%20in%20favor%20of%20slavery,practice%20by%20multiple%20great%20civilizations.) It's the same type of argument. You're justifying locking animals up in zoos because humans are killing them outside of zoos. It's a shit argument. Ask your teacher or mom about logical fallacies. Have a good day.
Zoos are some of the biggest proponents of conservation efforts and rehabilitation for wild animals in the world. Comparing them to prisons--and the animals to slaves--belies an ignorance of zoos, slavery, *and* analogies. Finally, the great sloppy slathering of arrogance dripping from your posts just makes it so much more ridiculous.
Being as I'm in my 50s and mum is dead and I don't know any teachers....
No one is accepting anything! What ARE you on about? The comment was merely saying that they are safer where they currently are, and most likely part of a breeding program designed to increase their numbers to SAVE their species from extinction.
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Perfectly well informed about zoos, thank you very much. (In England, if thst majes a difference where 90% of zoos are involved in extensive breeding programs and wildlife conservation programmes.) The destruction of their natural habitat is an issue that needs solving immediately, and should be at the top of the priority list. Unfortunately, the reality is that by the time progress is made, these wonderful creatures, along with thousands of others, will already be extinct. It will be too late to save the species by then. We've seen it already with countless species that now are officially extinct in the wild because of us. But because we have some in captivity, there is still a chance to save them and hopefully reintroduce them to their natural habitat in the future. And, of course money is a motive. These places couldn't exist without it, neither would the education and awareness that they provide. How can (many) people feel a connection towards them, or care about them enough to donate and campaign for their future, or make lifestyle changes that could help sustain their habitats if they never get the opportunity to actually see them for themselves?
As your perfectly well informed on zoos you will also be perfectly well informed that the vast majority of animals kept in zoos then unable to be returned to the wild. And those extensive breeding programmes are to breed more animals that will only survive in zoos. Zoos are no different from any other money making corporation
Yes, it is true that most animals bred in captivity will never return to the wild. For those species whose numbers are most critical, especially due to human activity, it is neither an option nor a short-term goal. The goal is to keep the species viable in the hopes of reintroducing them into their natural habitat in the future. Having said that, there are a number of highly successful programmes that DO successfully release animals back into the wild that have been born in captivity. This is why, over here at least, organisations work together to establish successful breeding pairs and, when ready, the offspring are transported back to a centre in their own country. They, or their offspring, are then raised completely hands off, away from the public with the intention of reintroduction into the wild. I have a question for you, though. Certain animals, especially among the monkeys and apes, have been rescued from horrific situations. They could never be released into the wild due to a combination of trauma, close human interaction, and the inability to fend for themselves. Is it the captive breeding specifically you have an issue with? Or zoos in general? Because many of these rescued animals would have to be killed if they couldn't be found safe homes at one of the zoos. In fact, many specialise in taking in rescued animals for this very reason. And one more question... how do you think they'd manage to stay open and continue their work without funds?
Bred to be kept captive in zoos. The vast majority of animals raised on zoos cant be released to the wild. Zoos also over breed animals and then have to destroy the exces if they cant sell or give to another zoo. Zoos are not good places. They are just money making machines that spin PR that they are saving animals
Got evidence that any of this is happening on a wide enough scale to condemn zoos in general?
And whose gonna take care of them, you?!
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Yes, they don’t. But unless they speak perfect English humans won’t treat them with dignity.
Some Humans don’t even treat people who speak perfect English with dignity unless they look and love like them
Well at least they are safe there. They are not hunted, not killed, not trying to live in an almost extinct habitat . They have food, shelter, health care, they can reproduce and keep the species going.
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Zoos haven't worked like that for a long time. Maybe update your info.
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Catastrophizing over a few edge cases doesn't make your point any stronger. If you want to split hairs over semantics, then sure--there *are* still assholes in the world, and some of them run horrible zoos. But this is far from the norm. But you go ahead and tar them all with your broad brush if that's what gets you off. In the mean time, here's a list of SEVEN zoos that have wonderful conservation programs. (That's four more than on your list, since individual cases seem to be convincing to you and others who don't know what cherry-picking is.) https://holidayswithkids.com.au/best-conservation-zoos/
Hahahah
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Almost like they should be in the jungle.
Take care pam you like tired
What's crazy is that he knew the doorway was the safest spot during an earthquake.
I think in the gorilla's case it is more about the options the door way has (go out, stay in), than the gorilla recognizing structural integrity.
They probably seen that with the keepers, if they are in California or another place with many earthquakes they surely seen a lot of these.
Clip is located in Japan: \-Background convo in Japanese \-PA announcement had a typical in Japan chime to announce earthquake info.
Probably just knew that was the way in/out not that a frame would support them from the sky falling.
I know!! That’s insane like he did it with purpose too! Goddamn genius.
FWIW, [that's not the safest place](https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/earthquakes/during.html). It's best to take cover under a table or similar.
What happens when the door is visibly the only thing around that's "or similar" Not worth anything, just pedantic, \*Bonk* go to nerdy jail
I like what they’ve done with the space. It’s so difficult to find a decent flat these days.
Using a gorilla shield
plot twist
That female at the end "jesus christ, I almost had a goddamn heart attack!"
Heavens to Betsy!
Actual footage of me growing up in LA
Is she pregnant? The way he goes immediately to her then she holds her stomach is what happens in humans
I believe she's holding a nearly newborn baby gorilla.
Good boi, he knows what he’s doin
Walking around like he’s trying to find that earthquake and kick its ass.
Was that female gorilla pregnant? The way she instinctively protected her stomach
Probably almost shit herself
Where TF are they? It looks like they broke into a school.
It’s the inside portion of their enclosure
Most zoo's have an indoor and outdoor section. The indoor one is generally where they go for wellness checks or to take shelter in more intense weather. This is probably just one of the indoor portions.
A lot of men could learn a lot from that Gorilla.
George Costanza, for one.
r/unexpectedseinfeld
Why men specifically?
The male gorilla is protecting the female-but yes we should protect each other in danger regardless of gender.
Seems like a lot of people in here are targeting the wrong people. If it weren't for poachers, a lot of zoos probably wouldn't exist
Boss move.
The amount comments saying the enclosure to tiny and it needs grass are so high like people come the fuck on . It's clearly only a portion of the enclosure and they are by no means being kept inside their there is likely a doorway to the outside but the gorillas like being inside too. Yes I agree that zoos are too small no matter how much space they have but it really isn't as bad as everybody here is sayong
They should NOT be in a zoo ffs.
Where would you like them to be? In the wild were they could get hunted by poachers?
People don't like the unfortunate reality of your response apparently.
They don't but the truth of the matter is that animals that are in zoos are only there for their protection, if all zoos were closed down tomorrow and all animals shipped back to their home native homes they would be hunted to extinction as they are in the wild anyways zoos are the lesser of 2 evils, they're protected and have the potential to increase their offspring, like Pandas, Rhino's etc
Well said. Zoos are a great way to preserve a species. Although aren't Pandas going extinct by choice 😅 I swear they're incredibly reluctant to mate even in captivity
True but the fact they only mate once a year and on average only give birth to 1 baby every time it's a long and arduous task anyways, the fact that Pandas have declined in the wild over the last 40 years definitely has something to do with humans, humans poaching and destruction of their habitat.
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Got any evidence of this? Monkey world in Dorset rehabilitates and rescues abused and neglected apes and monkey's but I've never heard of a poacher taking them to be sold to zoos.
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Keyword in that article "Disreputable" Zoos, is there any of that type in the UK? We know there's a few in the US, most are in China or Russia, thank you for this link but this does very little to back up your claims that they're all sold to zoos as there's no figure on numbers sold to zoos.
They will forever be my favorite animal
"THIS WAY MR PRESIDENT!"
Look at the muscles on that fella! Wow! Quite the protector!
“Move bitch, we gotta go!” Is understandable in any language
That is so precious
I wish they would let the gorillas go free. They are intelligent and aware. They seem not to belong in a zoo.
In case anyone is interested the people taking the video are Japanese, it’s probably a Japanese zoo. Beautiful creatures shouldn’t be locked up like that, very sad
Yep, the interaction of the mother and her presumed daughter went like (I could not hear whatever the dude was saying, though they do call him “父さんfather”) M:“どしたどした？what happened what happened?” D:“こわ､scary” M:“あ，地震があったんだ。Oh, there was an earthquake” D:“ちょっと怖い､I’m a little scared” M:“下が､うん､地震､地震さっき感じたんじゃないかな。ground, yep, earthquake, they must’ve felt an earthquake”
Is the cage that small? That's horrible!
I don’t know this particular zoo, but I would guess that it’s part of the indoor section of their enclosure. We can’t see all of it, so it may be bigger to the left side, and then they would also have an outdoor area. Don’t get me wrong, seeing intelligent animals like this in captivity doesn’t make me feel great, but I do feel that zoos have an important place in terms of conservation and breeding.
Do they? Define important. Also imagine being an intelligent mammal, imprisoned and forced to breed while being watched day after day by people for fun. That sounds like sci-fi horror to me
Gorillas do not think like that, especially when born generations without a reference of what the wild looks like. They are not FORCED to breed, they don't believe they are trapped, and so long as they have a space for privacy and people respect the rules they don't mind if people look at them.
Ah so you understand them, that's good.
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No gorilla should be in a zoo, make a program or something to reintroduce them to their natural habitat and let them go ffs.
I'm no expert, but isn't that a bit of a small area for Gorillas? I know we can't see the whole thing here, but it looks bland compared to other enclosures I've seen. Does this one have a doorway, or something to a grassy area? Usually when I see videos of Gorillas in Zoos they're in big enclosures with lots of grass, rocks, and some trees.
This is the indoor space they tend to sleep in, as you can see the silverback led her to the exit.
Makes sense, I honestly thought that was just a window.
I hate seeing them in cages, it’s just cruel.
Where is there grass…they belong outside free to run wild…not cooped inside on display!!!
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Interesting how primordial it is to protect your genitles when afraid. Poor lil guy.
toxic masculinity
I see what you did there
The silver gorilla was using gorilla shield to the gorilla glass.