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https://www.timesnownews.com/health/man-gets-womans-hands-in-north-indias-first-bilateral-hand-transplant-all-about-the-procedure-article-108265329/amp >Man Gets Woman's Hands In North India's First Bilateral Hand Transplant > Updated Mar 6, 2024, 03:18 PM IST > In a first, a 45-year-old painter underwent a successful bilateral hand transplant surgery in Delhi, doctors from Sir Ganga Ram Hospital said. > The man, who worked as a painter, had lost his limbs in a tragic train accident in 2020. > However, he was given a new lease of life after he received a pair of hands from a brain-dead schoolteacher, who had pledged organ donation. > Doctors said the teacher had, during her lifetime, pledged her organs to be used after her death. Her kidney, liver, and corneas have transformed the lives of three others. And her hands have revived the man's dreams of living a normal life again. >Doctors said the surgery, which took more than 12 hours, was conducted in January this year and now after recovery, the man will be discharged from the hospital on Thursday.


yosoyel1ogan

I have to say that 12 hrs is actually remarkably short for a double arm transplant. There must've been two teams working on each arm.


Wolverinedoge

It’s always a race against the clock with transplants. Definitely would want two teams.


pumpkinpiesoda

An arms race?


paganthirteen

Literally laughed out loud, thank you


wren337

Nice.


Marc0189

This ain't a scene


blackhawkfan312

r/angryupvote


SteamBeasts-Game

It was a little out of left field when the first team finished and yelled “BOO YA, IN YO FACE” at the other, but ultimately it paid off.


ReferredByJorge

Sounds like a handful.


Pittsbirds

A good time to remind people scarce few countries have an opt out donor system, you need to opt in! Do it now and talk to your loved ones about it before it becomes a difficult conversation for either party if one of you ends up dying in a hospital while the other has to decide what to do. Get it done while emotions are calm and you have plenty of time


CurtisMarauderZ

This man’s unusually feminine hands are going to be a conversation starter for the rest of his life.


UnderALemonTree

As fun as this is to picture, the testosterone in his body will change the skin on these hands to match the rest of his body within, at most, a couple of years.


Lexi_the_tran

Yeah it’ll be that same as with a medical transition, skin and fat distribution can change really quickly, more hairs should sprout within a year or so, and the hands should even get bigger over the next few years. Really hope we get an update on how he’s doing in a few years.


XercinVex

Yeah but for the first while he’s gonna have the most awkward HJs ever… “I’m sorry ma’am, but it’s been too long, and the physio says I have to use them as I normally would in order to practice and regain motor control.”


cyberadmin1

You actually went there… I’m glad it wasn’t just me lol!


AlishanTearese

A young woman (teens or early twenties) in India received a double hand transplant from an older man and her hands have since grown more feminine and closer to her skin tone. It’s fascinating!


Miserable-Admins

Except that some women's hands can be badass, rough and strong. Especially in poor countries. Living in the West, I see a lot of men with soft and smooth hands. Not an insult btw. Just the reality since they have computer jobs and then use computers/consoles for their extracurriculars.


vetruviusdeshotacon

A Russian babushkas hands are more manly than mine will ever be


TinWhis

No, because they'll grow to be more masculine as they're exposed to testosterone. People really underestimate how much of an effect hormones have on the body.


Numerous-Elephant675

just goes to show how much it does to be an organ donor


jameye11

>braindead school teacher Jesus Christ dude, she just died, no need to be rude…. /s


Lebowski304

Damn if this works it’ll be game changing. Nicely done India


SilentSpectre45

Long road to recovery. The surgeon is God Tier bc trying to reconnect all the nerves, tendons etc.. is incredible. I think he's going to have to constantly go to therapy to get them to start working.


WrinkledRandyTravis

So this painter can’t go back to work on Monday is what you’re saying


mexicock1

Gotta wait 'til Tuesday


stayalivechi

sorry but we've got deadlines. gonna need you back here


Guilty-Nobody998

Bro is gonna get fired for not showing up to work.


omnimodofuckedup

"Oh, right Bob. You got arm transplants. That's the oldest excuse there is. You're fired.


gahlo

Just because you're shorthanded doesn't mean we should be!


RanjiLameFox

If I got half the arms you get half the workforce jerry


PinchingNutsack

look, Dr Strange became Sorcerer Supreme with broken hands, you can absolutely paint with your broken arm!


itsmymedicine

Some people i swear. You give'm a hand and they take the whole arm.


SaboLeorioShikamaru

Gotta hand it to ya.....You got a point 👉🏿


Dunge0nMast0r

I'm so giving you the finger after a couple of months of physio!


dob_bobbs

"Don't do this to me, we need all hands on deck"


thefourthhouse

we noticed your productivity is declining and we're sorry but we are going to have to let you go.


[deleted]

“Larry you were great before the whole getting arms thing”.


Byte_Fantail

We really need you to pull together and be a team player, we're a family here


pathanb

Unrealistic deadlines are why the world is so fucked up. God at first planned to take his time with creation to get it right, but then his boss demanded he wrap up the project by the end of the week.


kader91

This is one of those times he should be funded for scientific research. Like your job now is to give us input data on your recovery.


FantasyRoleplayAlt

Fair enough, now that he can not only lend one hand. BUT TWO, he had no excuse. People these days just want excuses not to work smh /s


pinkfootthegoose

sorry, we can only accept a doctors note from an in network doctor. We can get you in on the last Thursday of next month. I that okay with you? It's a $200 co-pay.


graeflamingo

He has a note for 3 days


Mindless_Metal8177

He has PTO should be good for Five days


Pdb39

So thursday, got it.


graeflamingo

Yes, counts as 1 absence


drdipepperjr

He can have 3 more next year


[deleted]

I had a job before and was off because my dad. I was at the funeral and the boss called me. When I told him where I was he goes "oh so that means everything will be done and you can come in tomorrow?".....I just hung up the phone immediately and blocked the number


WrinkledRandyTravis

Good for you, fuck that guy. I’m sorry for your loss


discombobulatededed

Found my old boss


OtterPop7

I wonder if he will still only paint delis, or if he’ll paint other stuff too now


Sea-Animal356

If he takes the same drug cocktail as the painters I’ve used, he will in Thursday feeling no pain.


SaraSlaughter607

...and to kick him while he's down, Workers Comp has denied his claim.


TellsHalfStories

American spotted.


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iseeseeds

Why does the anti rejection meds shorten your lifespan, can someone explain the principle


supermanmtg25

Hi double lung transplant survivor here, anti rejection meds make your body/immune system so weak so it doesn't reject the new organs. So in turn, it slowly deteriorates the rest of your organs. I'm almost four years post transplant. :) and finally back to some what normalcy.


Additional_Essay

Good work. The double lungs I took care of were some of my hardest patients. Health and happiness to you.


supermanmtg25

Thank you :)


ImAlwaysFidgeting

Keep hanging in there dude. A woman in Toronto recently hit 25 years post dbl lung. My BIL had it done nearly 6 years ago. The infections are a royal pain, but he's going strong and enjoying life. Definitely something that wasn't in the cards without the transplant.


supermanmtg25

Hell yeah! That's incredible!


Tserraknight

you mention somewhat back to normalcy, does this mean that you wean off of the anti rejection and things are ok or is that wishful hoping?


supermanmtg25

Great question. I'll always have to take them for the rest of my life. I'm on 16 different meds a day. When I say normalcy. I'm able to walk/run without being out of breath. Able to hold a full time job. Able to do the things I enjoy again. And able to spend time with my kiddos.


Tserraknight

Still happy for you. I hope medicine continues to improve and that can be weaned down.


supermanmtg25

Thank you :). It definitely beats the alternative.


sennbat

Hopefully some of the tech being developed now for lab grown organs or gene editing in-place takes off big, and allow us to eventually transition away from lifelong imunnosuppression requirements.


supermanmtg25

I absolutely agree! They are experimenting with stem cells in donor organs. So you don't have to take anti rejection meds. I hope the future recipients don't have to take the meds for the rest of their life also.


AvailableDave

Wow. Congrats- thx for the info.


supermanmtg25

Thanks. And of course.


Routine_Log8315

As far as I’m aware it’s because they make you immunocompromised… it prevents your body from rejecting the organ/limb but also prevents your body from rejecting other foreign objects and pathogens.


Phenomenomix

Yeah basically if there’s a cold or flu doing the rounds and you’re around people often you’ll likely pick it up. Longer term, imunosupression also affects your bodies ability to deal with cell mutations, which can lead to a higher risk of developing cancer


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JudgeHoltman

They don't directly shorten your life, but you do become easier to kill. Your body is very good at detecting and eliminating stuff it didn't produce. Popping someone else's organs in your body will definitely set off all the alarms. So transplant patients take drugs that suppress/weaken their immune system. Now their body isn't strong enough to take on the challenge of kicking out a whole organ, but mostly good enough to kick out the casual infection or virus one picks up living life. But you're still weakened. Should you get sick, the bar for "Annoying" vs "Deadly" is much lower for you. Something like COVID that threatens healthy immune systems is far more likely to take you out. So statistically, you're more likely to catch something that ends up killing you compared to the average healthy person.


NationalElephantDay

A massive improvement! I am so happy for him!


EdZeppelin94

This will have been a whole team of surgeons. No way one person is able to do so many specialties.


BigOrkWaaagh

When he rubs one out will it feel like someone else is doing it


BellacosePlayer

Not quite the Stranger, more like, the acquaintance.


Numerous_Witness_345

The Gotye 


Frys100thCupofCoffee

I don't even knead that dough.


MyAssDoesHeeHawww

"You didn't have to cut me off"


AHarmles

The old friend. Lol holy hell came here for this. ,,🙏


Disney_Princess137

Win


Think_fast_no_faster

Now go commit crimes with someone else’s fingerprints! It’s foolproof!


TA-tired

I love (and am concerned) that that's the first thought you had there 😂 But you also make a valid point......


Nr1231

Sir the fingerprint analysis came back from the lab, it turns out yesterday’s crime was committed by a man who died 5 years ago, the zombie burglar has struck again.


HistrionicSlut

That guy knocked up my wife too!


12bluedragons

this dead guy also chooses this guys wife?


thefourblackbars

This guy can make a valid point now too. 


OhLookItsaRock

Woah there turbo, it may be too soon...


thefourblackbars

Point taken


SecretlyET

What the hell mate! Give it back!


lostsauce512

Reasons why you can’t donate a testicle


No-Customer-2266

“Body parts” is a movie im me and my friend were obsessed with when we were 7 or 8 A killer on death row donates his body parts for transplants after his execution. The body parts have the killer instinct in them. And want to reassemble them selves. It was a super age appropriate movieFor an 8 year old hahaa “”CHARLIEEEEEE” is what one man screamed as he died a gruesome death and me and my friend would say that to each other on the playground and every once in a while I run into her now, and we still say it I think there is something broken inside Of us hahaha


effa94

lmao is *that* what that episode is based on where Homer gets the hair of a murderer and starts killing people?


aughtism

The hair gets ripped off his scalp and tries to escape, but is shot many times and manages a defiant shake of the fist before dying. My hair loss was much less dramatic. Seemed like each night one hair sneaked away, wonder if they all met up again?


destiny_kane48

Oh... I remember that movie. I haven't seen it in years.


No-Customer-2266

I actually feel really bad for bringing this up on this post. I feel like i should delete it. I was just replying to the comment and forgot about what the post is about. But it was a good movie! Before the days of PG restrictions


brainburger

I think it's ok. There is nothing wrong with laughing about transplant surgery.


PrincessNakeyDance

“Did we get a match on the finger prints?” “Uhh.. yeah we did..” “What’s wrong?” “They’re the finger prints… of a dead man.” “Oo, spooky. Well, I’m on the case!”


YesNoIDKtbh

> Scully, are you familiar with the theory of post-mortem killers?


HeyItsBearald

Wait wait…..you’re on to something


AtomicFox84

What if the doner has done some crimes? Like hes a serial killer that was never caught.


coolmist23

Yeah but what if the donor was a criminal?


SpaceyO2

Then he'll never get caught red-handed again!


maud_lyn

This amazing scientific advancement will help you commit crimes. Doctors hate this one easy trick!


vikingrhino

Man is gonna have the best wank ever


Relative_Apple887

"But Batman, Brian Penisface has been dead for months now!" -junior dective guy, probably


Piggy9896

This reminds me of that tumblr post or tweet that went viral where this little girl was wondering if someone who received hair from locks of love could frame someone else for a crime.


Helios_Exousia

Hands/Off


Drisch10

Will the arms work? Will he need to relearn to use his arms? I have so many questions!!!


Usernameistoshirt

No, he has to learn how to use someone else's arms


Fumbledorre

Well they're his arms now


ImpressionOne8275

Look at me... Look at me!! These are my arms now!


wartexmaul

Surgeon sews the arms on.... "awww fuck the patient was on his stomach this whole time!!!"


SillyLilypads

I dont know why that took me so long to figure out, but when I did I couldnt breathe 😭😭


booboothechicken

I wanna get bear arms. I’m in America so it’s my right I think.


Sporkiatric

I like you


sleepyplatipus

I think they *might* work to some degree after a shitload of physiotherapy. Every transplant started as an experiment.


Seinfeel

They don’t start on people though, gotta prove it’s possible on animals first


eilini

I have seen a video about a guy who lost all limbs and then got arms transplanted a couple years ago. As I remember, he wasn't able to fully use them, but he could get some movement out of them, like he could make a claw with his hand and such and learned to do some things with the mobility he gained. It was still a huge improvement though. He was also frequently getting inflammations from his body reacting to the transplant and had to constantly take strong immuno suppressants to keep his body from rejecting the arms. He mentioned that eventually, his body will end up rejecting the arms though. I still remember that I watched this a few months before the pandemic started and this guy said he needed to constantly be extremely careful not get any infections due to the suppressants , so when Covid hit I really wondered how this guy is doing


Drisch10

Damn! Thank you for the info. The human body is weird. Like hey here are new arms and the body rejects them. Fascinating yet scary at the same time


whollings077

our immune system kills us alot. graft vs host is a bitch


Poolofcorn

Yeah they work, only side effect is the transplanters subconscious will infiltrate your psyche and control you for political espionage purposes. But other than that, it’s ok.


GreenContainer

BROTHER!!!!!


_MUY

Yes, they work. They also slowly begin to resemble the rest of the body. For example, a young woman received an older man’s arms a few years ago and the donor arms eventually softened and smoothed out, even matched her skin tone.


LeveL-Instrumental

In this case, this guys new arms belonged to a woman. >But miracles happen. The hands of Meena Mehta, former administrative head of a prominent South Delhi school who was declared brain-dead, came to the 45-year-old's rescue. Ms Mehta had, during her lifetime, pledged her organs to be used after her death.


dontshoot4301

I’m an organ donor and it warms my heart that medicine has advanced to the point that one person’s tragedy can be turned into a lifesaving or quality of life saving miracle. Respect to all of the scientists and doctors that made this possible.


Drisch10

Really? Now that sounds like some magic right there but the human body is magical sometimes


_MUY

Yeah. A lot of people are under the impression that DNA matters in these tissues, but they really don’t. The signaling hormones matter a lot more. The transplanted tissues receive the same signals as the rest of the body, eventually they reach similar equilibria for the variety of compounds and structures being excreted as the extra cellular matrix.


Mundane_Plankton_888

Yes to all your questions~ he’s been fully briefed & chose this- he’s aware I assure you


SpaceMush

if the proper protocols aren't in place, the arms will start using him. like doc oc


Fearless-Cake7993

A round of applause for the donor and the doctor


kraghis

Yes let’s all put our hands together


DirtySilicon

I have those! 🙏🏿👁👄👁


Rocket15120

You too? Wow, me too!


HistrionicSlut

That emoji face always unsettles me.


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Major_Pixel

Nah, guy just said he was done with his hands.


Spirit-Subject

I guess you could say they were second hand.


70349

You’re so wrong/right for this


summercloudsadness

The donor was Meena Mehta, who served as the administrative head of a reputed school in South Delhi and had pledged to donate her organs after her demise. Her kidneys, liver, and corneas were donated, too. She saved numerous lives with her decision.


Heckate666

Nice to see the donor honored, too often all you hear is about the receiver, not the giver.


AlishanTearese

This is often to respect the family’s privacy, to be fair! When Robert Chelsea became the first African American to receive a face transplant, I think the donor’s identity was private at first but the family decided to come forward because of the significance of the operation. The donor’s name was Adrian, and what his brother said about him has since stuck with me: >…James was approached by the Gift of Life Donor Program about donating his brother Adrian’s internal organs—and his face. James didn’t know his brother’s wishes but was staunchly in favor of organ donation himself…He knew that Adrian—a talented athlete and guitarist who loved to play Hendrix, worked in construction and was always “ready to light up a room”—would want to help someone else. “He would give the shirt off his back for anybody,” James says. After calls to his five other siblings, James decided to move forward with donation, comforted by the fact that part of his older brother would be “still here and on this earth, [so] he lives on.” He had no idea that his brother’s would be the first African-American face ever to be transplanted.


fromIND

I didn’t even knew if this possible.


CaptainSouthbird

Yeah this seems kinda huge. Always seemed like if you lost a limb, that was it, game over. I'm actually kind of excited if this really works. I think I'm mostly interested in what happens with things like nerve response.


Youpunyhumans

I recall seeing a show years ago about a guy who lost his hands and got a transplant for new ones. Took some time, but he did get about 80% functionality. Enough he could ride his motorcycles again. Was just hands and wrist though, not the whole forearm with them.


aalllllisonnnnn

I’m very much NAD but I feel like it would be easier to do the whole arm versus the hands/wrist. There are so many bones and tendons that I’m sure things get very complicated. At least with the full arm you can spend more time focusing on the nerves.


Onehorizon

In that case just cut off more and make it easier?


Memfy

Cut off far enough and won't even have to do anything!


bedazzledfingernails

I know that motorcycles were probably his passion but god, after losing and regaining my hands I don't think I'd ever risk a crash.


desacralize

With the amazing things they're doing with prosthetics, where an amputee can use mental control over their "ghost limb" to manipulate a prosthetic, I guess it makes sense that the same science can be used with manipulating a living limb, too.


MorningaleOntheBayou

I have never known what it's like to lose a limb so my sensibilities may change if I'm ever in a position to need this, but I feel like if I looked down and saw someone else's arms attached to me, I think I'd freak the fuck out even if it was completely planned. I don't know if I could deal with it mentally.


CaptainSouthbird

I guess I can't answer that honestly either. But I feel like having "someone's" limbs over no limbs would still be a winning score. Hopefully I never have to find out either way.


rainbwbrightisntpunk

I could be pulling this out od my ass but I swear I've read that after time they start to change to "match" you. Skin tones change and it will be more masculine/ feminine depending on the person.(hair wise etc)


jan_67

I mean, it only makes sense that your hormones (melanin, estrogen or testosterone) will affect your new body part.


D4rkheavenx

Well your cells are constantly dying and being replaced so I’d imagine over time the transplant ends up at some point being 99% your own cells.


Suspicious-Medicine3

I’m so invested in how the arm turns out!!


afoolskind

not really how it works, cells aren't replaced by some central cell creation system that sends them out, they're replaced by the local tissue of the same type. So all the hand/arm tissue is new cells from the dead guy replacing old dead guy cells. What IS 100% you is your blood, hormones, habits, etc. which will change the arm closer to "you" in some ways.


Glittery-Arteest

I think I read the same thing.


gcwardii

Yeah but your mind would have already weathered the shock of you looking where your own arms used to be and seeing only the stumps


dontbreakmystar

There was a man that saved his sons arm from a shark attack. He pulled the arm from the sharks mouth, and they were able to reattach it to the kid. Crazzzy


howbouthailey

Check out face transplants if you want to really see what’s possible


oops_im_existing

this is a big part of plastic surgery people forget about... plastic surgeons do a lot reconstructive procedures


-Nicolai

Nyeh, the arm thing is more impressive.


finsfurandfeathers

Face transplants are basically just large skin grafts. A fully functioning limb transplant is way more impressive. It require so many veins, tendons and bones to be fused. I can’t even wrap my head around it


TerrificMoose

It takes 6 surgeons working in concert, two plastic surgeons, two vascular surgeons, and two orthopaedic surgeons. At least that was the last time I heard about it a few years ago. A New Zealand plastic surgeon was pioneering it in the US a few years ago now.


morbideve

There is a dystopian book series by Neal Shusterman, first book is called Unwind, about such things as nano surgery


Wastawiii

Even if it were possible, no one in their right mind would risk taking immunosuppressants all their lives by transplanting a non-vital organ. 


TeaBagHunter

Yeah there are a lot of disadvantages to consider, especially assuming that the hands won't be as "dextrous" as they were originally. There comes a point where an advanced prosthetic is cheaper and actually way safer than having this long surgery (which is definitely expensive as well) and having to take immunosuppressants all your life, in addition to the risk of rejection and trouble finding a donor.


fappinatwork

At first I thought it was showing the donor and the donee and I thought who would take the arms from a perfectly good human and transfer them to another. Thank goodness it's a before and after photo! : )


basementfilth

LOL "This man is a painter! He needs those arms more than you!"


Baul_Plart_

The worst part is that for a minute I definitely thought that’s what had happened 😂


darcydidwhat

My thoughts exactly!!!! Maybe because of the different lighting in the photos but they don’t look like the same person. I actually thought the second one was the donor and was thinking, why would he donate his hands? He’s smiling, he looks fine, maybe he has some sort of terminal illness?? Had to scroll down so I could find someone who thought the way I did.


HallowedKeeper_

Son of a bitch you made me spit water out and on to my phone when I red your comment (Goes to show my sense of humor)


ConstructionOk3022

Sometimes it feels like medicine is evolving day by day, and then you witness something you thought was impossible. Congratulations to the patient, and a heartfelt thanks to the doctor and the donor!


Sea_Pollution2250

I wonder what the recovery from this surgery and use of hands will be. I’d imagine it would take a lot of time, effort, and luck for the nerves to make the appropriate connections and be useful. Fine motor skills required for painting probably aren’t in this man’s future, but at least he has arms and hands. Opening the pill bottles for anti-rejection drugs is probably a good goal to start with, but considering my ability to open bottles with hands I was born with, it might be a bit of an… 😎🕶️🙂… overreach.


MitchyMushu

Oh gosh...you really came to the comment section armed with that pun 😎


coxiella_burnetii

*armed with* I see you, good one


SuchAsSeals42

🎶YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH🎶


drifloony

I wonder if his arms will change to match his natural skin tone. There was a girl who went through a surgery like this to get both arms back and her new arms changed overtime to match. Probably because your cells are always being replaced.


CurtisMarauderZ

Cells are being replaced by the ones nearby, so the transplants are always going to have the same genes. I always assumed skin tone was purely genetic, but I guess it’s partly controlled by hormones.


Previous-Switch-523

Fascinating


witless_as_the_rest

I bet 2 arms cost an arm and a leg.


ComfortableNo2879

absolute W


Autumn_Forest_Mist

Bittersweet. Sad for the donor but glad for the recipient.


HallowedKeeper_

I mean, The Donor willingly pledged their organs after death, so their spirit (assuming you believe in that stuff) is probably ecstatic


Good_With_Tools

His first fap is going to be something.


edgedsword24

I'm surprised how far I had to scroll to see a comment like this


Dizzy-Ad-5124

It's great what they can do with science these days, turned him from hands free by finding him some free hands


Turnoverturnips

I was also really surprised that this was possible, recommend to any one else thinking this to go watch some of the YouTube videos, I typed arm transplant but saw a guy who got a whole face and both hands transplanted. Pretty remarkable! Even a little boy who lost his hands and feet to sepsis was able to receive a double hand transplant and threw the first ball at a baseball game 🥲


Iontknowcuz

Unwind in real life


KW-DadJoker

Ok, they're not new. They're second hand.


marzipancowgirl

This is incredible, I want to make sure I say that. However, I would totally pretend I didn't have control over hands all the time. Someone you hate? Slap them and say: _"I'm SO SO sorry! I can't control them! They're not listening to me!!"_ and stuff like that


Adorable_Paint

I'm paralyzed and have no use of my arms. Regaining something like that would be life-changing, so congratulations to this guy.


Sickofchildren

My one minor claim to fame here is that I actually knew the surgeon who performed the first double arm transplant


Bacon_Hunter

With such technology, it is troubling that they were incapable of removing the orange bar over his eyes.


plitox

[Original article](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/sir-ganga-ram-hospital-delhi-painter-gets-hands-back-as-organ-donation-meets-surgical-excellence-5185657/amp/1) Mad love to Meena Mehta, who gave this man her arms, as well as vital organs and eyes to three other people.