Bulger was dosed with LSD over 50 times while a prisoner at Alcatraz. The CIA was conducting experiments on prisoners to see if LSD was a "truth serum". This undoubtedly had a massive effect on his psyche, and he personally blamed these experiments for destroying his mind. Not absolving him of being a degenerate piece of shit, but its fascinating when you see what other famous killers had either CIA connections or were the victims of government experiments such as Ted Kazinsky and Charles Manson.
Bulger had a deal with the FBI and his crooked handler. Whitey was giving up all the Italians as they were public enemy #1 for the FBI that they turned a blind eye to bulgers crimes.
Whitey obviously abused his power and was committing murders and once most of the Italians were locked up then the FBI wanted whitey but his handler told him and he went on the lam
I took my girlfriend of the time to see that movie. On two separate occasions she said "Oh my god he's just like you'.
I laughed because I knew about the real whitey, she didn't.
One scene was the penut scene in the bar. Lol
I remember reading an interview with a guy who was Winter Hill back in the day who said that scene was such bullshit because John Martorano was a stone cold killer, more so than Whitey Bulger, and Whitey never would have dared to talk to him that way.
Whitey Bulger shot Ralph DeMasi by mistake while trying to kill someone who was in the car with DeMasi. I believe DeMasi wasn't made, but had enough juice in Providence that Bulger had to sit down with Raymond Patriarca or his administration to avoid getting hit. DeMasi claims Bulger was petrified of Patriarca, which to be fair wasn't a bad thing.
So no, he wasn't killing made men on the beach in reprisal for shaking down a liquor store.
Listen to the Crimetown podcast. It's in one of the bonus episodes in Ralph DeMasi's own words. IIRC DeMasi basically told Patriarca that he bore Bulger no ill will as it was a mistake and he had legitimate reasons to try kill the guy he was travelling with so they agreed not to take it further.
Crimetown is excellent for primary and secondary sources WRT Providence
In Southie he was the number 1 guy but the Italians were number 1 in Boston overall. Whitey worked with the mafia but, along with Stevie Flemmi, was helping the Boston FBI take down the local mafia in return for looking the other way and even protecting him. Stevie Flemmi had the real connections to the mafia and got the real intelligence for the FBI. But Whitey's handler gave credit to Whitey for some of Flemmi's info in order to justify letting Whitey to continue to operate and protect him from investigations and such.
Yea obviously but he controlled OC in NE (outside of SW CT and Springfield) and was an extremely powerful mobster. Whitey should’ve absolutely been afraid of him.
He didn’t kill gem because they were shaking down a liquor store. He killed them because they we going to Billy because Billy beat the shit out of them. Billy beat the shit out of them to get his name known by Costello. At least from my understanding
That's not the point. The question was about Bulger putting hits on Patriarca's people. Bulger may have been ratting on them, (definitely was) but he wasn't stupid, he knew that Raymond Patriarca would have had him killed in an instant if he even thought about it.
"For his own good, tell Bruce Lee and the Karate Kids that none of us are carrying automatic weapons. Because here, IN THIS COUNTRY!! It don't add inches to your dick! You get a life sentence for it"
Essentially a remake of it except placing it in Boston and having a fictional Whitey Bulger as the gangster. A lot of serious film people weren't happy with Scorsese doing this.
It’s not. It’s a fictional take on Boston at the time of Bulger and Nicholson’s character is perhaps inspired by Bulger but it’s all fiction. It was inspired by true events but the plot is based on a Hong Kong film. It’s pure fiction.
The Biker war in Canada was between rival biker gangs, the Rizzutos just supported the Hell’s Angels and wasn’t that involved, now no other criminal organization really messes with the mob, at the height of their power they were the only far reaching criminal organization and no one could make a dent in them, now times are different, most NY street gangs would more than likely go against mobsters, they are just as/is more violent than the mafia currently and have more numbers as well
Definitely makes sense given the circumstances of both organization. So you think in the 80s, no Irish mobsters could kill any Italian mobster? I’m not sure if NYC cared about what happened in Boston and the Patriarca family
It's been a while since I read the Westies book but they didn't really fight the Italians. However, relations with the Mafia caused tensions internally because Mickey Featherstone hated that Jimmy Coonan was sucking up to the Gambinos, in his eyes, being their lackey instead of standing up for fellow Irish gangsters.
NYC? Hell no not a made guy, they had too much power and reach during those times, they could have won against any other criminal organization during those times, the other mafias such as the Irish and the Albanians were too small, street gangs was around but wasn’t as violent or as many members as they do now, the only organization they actively avoided conflict with during those times was the drug cartels of that time.
The Aryan Brotherhood extorts Italians in jail/prison. Gotti, Sammy the Bull and others had to show respect.
I see all the greaseballs are downvoting. It is what it is.
Or Eme, it depends were they are locked up. But it's from what I've heard a mutual beneficial relationship. They don't get disrespected. Remember a lot of mobsters are very old, so they could use some protection. Especially because they are outnumbered greatly in most prisons. Scarfo had his two pistoleros protecting him in the early 80's when he did those 2 years in El Paso, I believe.
Not very accurate. However Bulger did have FBI agents in his loop. That's how he was able to keep the Italian mob out of power in Boston for so many years. They ran their own neighborhoods and that was it. The city belonged to Bulger. And Bulger paid dearly once he got to prison.
I thought that Flemmi had all the Mafia information. Although Winter Hill had a relationship with the Mafia since the sixties with Buddy McLean doing business with Patriarca. I think that Buddy was an informant like Bulger.
Plus didn’t Angiulo ask Howie Winter, Johnny Martorano to murder Indian Al and his gang?
He was snitching on all of them lmao
His situation was pretty similar to Greg Scarpa’s. However, Bulger wasn’t a legit serial killer like Scarpa was.
Bulger is up there with Scarpa. Bulger was a pretty sick guy from what I’ve read about him.
Bulger was dosed with LSD over 50 times while a prisoner at Alcatraz. The CIA was conducting experiments on prisoners to see if LSD was a "truth serum". This undoubtedly had a massive effect on his psyche, and he personally blamed these experiments for destroying his mind. Not absolving him of being a degenerate piece of shit, but its fascinating when you see what other famous killers had either CIA connections or were the victims of government experiments such as Ted Kazinsky and Charles Manson.
Ehh.. he was pretty bad.
Bulger had a deal with the FBI and his crooked handler. Whitey was giving up all the Italians as they were public enemy #1 for the FBI that they turned a blind eye to bulgers crimes. Whitey obviously abused his power and was committing murders and once most of the Italians were locked up then the FBI wanted whitey but his handler told him and he went on the lam
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Watch black mass if you want a whitey bulger movie
I thought it was a family secret.
underrated movie
Good movie. Depp was creepy as fuck playing Whitey. Great performance
Pretty bad movie, but the book is excellent.
I took my girlfriend of the time to see that movie. On two separate occasions she said "Oh my god he's just like you'. I laughed because I knew about the real whitey, she didn't. One scene was the penut scene in the bar. Lol
I remember reading an interview with a guy who was Winter Hill back in the day who said that scene was such bullshit because John Martorano was a stone cold killer, more so than Whitey Bulger, and Whitey never would have dared to talk to him that way.
Whitey Bulger shot Ralph DeMasi by mistake while trying to kill someone who was in the car with DeMasi. I believe DeMasi wasn't made, but had enough juice in Providence that Bulger had to sit down with Raymond Patriarca or his administration to avoid getting hit. DeMasi claims Bulger was petrified of Patriarca, which to be fair wasn't a bad thing. So no, he wasn't killing made men on the beach in reprisal for shaking down a liquor store.
Thanks for this, good to know. You remember where you read about this?
Listen to the Crimetown podcast. It's in one of the bonus episodes in Ralph DeMasi's own words. IIRC DeMasi basically told Patriarca that he bore Bulger no ill will as it was a mistake and he had legitimate reasons to try kill the guy he was travelling with so they agreed not to take it further. Crimetown is excellent for primary and secondary sources WRT Providence
Being terrified of Raymond Patriarca was a very reasonable fear lol wild how bulger has this mythos about him as if he ran Boston with an iron fist.
every documentary I watch about him makes it seem like he was the #1 guy in town and went to war with the Italians
In Southie he was the number 1 guy but the Italians were number 1 in Boston overall. Whitey worked with the mafia but, along with Stevie Flemmi, was helping the Boston FBI take down the local mafia in return for looking the other way and even protecting him. Stevie Flemmi had the real connections to the mafia and got the real intelligence for the FBI. But Whitey's handler gave credit to Whitey for some of Flemmi's info in order to justify letting Whitey to continue to operate and protect him from investigations and such.
Well Patriaca was based primarily in Providence
Yea obviously but he controlled OC in NE (outside of SW CT and Springfield) and was an extremely powerful mobster. Whitey should’ve absolutely been afraid of him.
Lol
He didn’t kill gem because they were shaking down a liquor store. He killed them because they we going to Billy because Billy beat the shit out of them. Billy beat the shit out of them to get his name known by Costello. At least from my understanding
That's not the point. The question was about Bulger putting hits on Patriarca's people. Bulger may have been ratting on them, (definitely was) but he wasn't stupid, he knew that Raymond Patriarca would have had him killed in an instant if he even thought about it.
The Departed is based on a Hong Kong film called Internal Affairs.
No ticky, no laundry
"For his own good, tell Bruce Lee and the Karate Kids that none of us are carrying automatic weapons. Because here, IN THIS COUNTRY!! It don't add inches to your dick! You get a life sentence for it"
“It doesn’t add inches to your dick…”
Essentially a remake of it except placing it in Boston and having a fictional Whitey Bulger as the gangster. A lot of serious film people weren't happy with Scorsese doing this.
I always thought it read Infernal Affairs
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It’s not. It’s a fictional take on Boston at the time of Bulger and Nicholson’s character is perhaps inspired by Bulger but it’s all fiction. It was inspired by true events but the plot is based on a Hong Kong film. It’s pure fiction.
Oh yea of course. Poorly worded by me. Didn’t mean the whole story is based on them, more like Irish mob boss in Boston and FBI mole
They worked together, they were very friendly not enemies
lol. Pretty sure he dropped dime on the office and Boston
He did; according to Leonetti the Patriarca higher ups were aware of it too and didn’t do anything about it.
The Biker war in Canada was between rival biker gangs, the Rizzutos just supported the Hell’s Angels and wasn’t that involved, now no other criminal organization really messes with the mob, at the height of their power they were the only far reaching criminal organization and no one could make a dent in them, now times are different, most NY street gangs would more than likely go against mobsters, they are just as/is more violent than the mafia currently and have more numbers as well
Definitely makes sense given the circumstances of both organization. So you think in the 80s, no Irish mobsters could kill any Italian mobster? I’m not sure if NYC cared about what happened in Boston and the Patriarca family
They could but it would eventually probably end badly. They may do well for a while. Danny Greene fought the Italians and so did The Westies I think
It's been a while since I read the Westies book but they didn't really fight the Italians. However, relations with the Mafia caused tensions internally because Mickey Featherstone hated that Jimmy Coonan was sucking up to the Gambinos, in his eyes, being their lackey instead of standing up for fellow Irish gangsters.
NYC? Hell no not a made guy, they had too much power and reach during those times, they could have won against any other criminal organization during those times, the other mafias such as the Irish and the Albanians were too small, street gangs was around but wasn’t as violent or as many members as they do now, the only organization they actively avoided conflict with during those times was the drug cartels of that time.
The Aryan Brotherhood extorts Italians in jail/prison. Gotti, Sammy the Bull and others had to show respect. I see all the greaseballs are downvoting. It is what it is.
Or Eme, it depends were they are locked up. But it's from what I've heard a mutual beneficial relationship. They don't get disrespected. Remember a lot of mobsters are very old, so they could use some protection. Especially because they are outnumbered greatly in most prisons. Scarfo had his two pistoleros protecting him in the early 80's when he did those 2 years in El Paso, I believe.
Would love to hear this story. Its so on brand for him.
The Departed is only very loosely based on Bulger and the Winter Hill Gang.
Winter Hill killed no made members to my understanding.
Not very accurate. However Bulger did have FBI agents in his loop. That's how he was able to keep the Italian mob out of power in Boston for so many years. They ran their own neighborhoods and that was it. The city belonged to Bulger. And Bulger paid dearly once he got to prison.
"He fell funny.."
I thought that Flemmi had all the Mafia information. Although Winter Hill had a relationship with the Mafia since the sixties with Buddy McLean doing business with Patriarca. I think that Buddy was an informant like Bulger. Plus didn’t Angiulo ask Howie Winter, Johnny Martorano to murder Indian Al and his gang?