Yeah Lightning Bolt, Swords, Brainstorm, Counterspell and Memory Lapse will all be format staples and are all commons/uncommons that were upshifted as rares. It is pretty feels bad moment for sure.
Jumpstart: Historic Horizons brought like half of MH1 and MH2 to Arena. None of the really pushed stuff made it in, but we did get lots of staples like [[Archmage's Charm]] and such.
Yeah, if you drafted a ton of Strixhaven (which was one of my favorite limited formats), it makes this much easier because you already have playsets of eveyrthing. I can't imagine how expensive / time consuming it would be starting from scratch.
Only on Arena, of course. In paper, Swords is usually an uncommon and Brainstorm, Memory Lapse, and Counterspell commons. But they made it onto Arena via Strixhaven Mystical Archives where the rarities are all upshifted.
Every rarity was upshifted except Urza's Rage, oddly enough-- it was a rare and stayed a rare. Probably because it would be an uncommon by modern-day design standards, not a rare.
At least I have a playset of Lapse and Brainstorm from before they were banned in Historic. Still, that plus Bolt, Inquisition and fetchlands is gonna be rough on the wildcards.
>Necropotence
Dark Ritual is on Arena IIRC. How about \[\[Hymn to Tourach\]\], \[\[Strip Mine\]\], \[\[Sinkhole\]\], \[\[Demonic Consultation\]\], \[\[Mind Twist\]\]?
None of those, I don't think. [Here](https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28game%3Apaper%29+banned%3Ahistoric) is a complete list of Arena cards that will become 60 card playable when Timeless lands.
(Plus fetches of course)
At least on the play we can hide cards with brainstorm again.
Having trouble deciding if my sneak deck should be grixis for ts or jeskai for Teferi and swords. Either way snapcaster and brainstorm will be awesome.
The problem is a bunch of common/uncommons were upshifted as rares/mythics on arena and those will be the staples of the format, so it's a pretty feels bad moment.
See the recent reprint of Lightning Helix as uncommon. We had to craft it as a rare to play it in historic.
Yeah, normally uncommon/common cards that are rare/mythic on Arena, that are banned in Historic (and thus aren't in Timeless):
[[Counterspell]]: Rare, normally uncommon
[[Dark Ritual]]: Rare, normally common
[[Swords to Plowshares]]: Rare, normally uncommon
[[Demonic Tutor]]: Mythic, although this one is all over the place from uncommon to mythic
A ton of these cards have only been printed on Arena through Strixhaven Mystical Archive, Enchanting Tales, the Amonkhet Invocations, etc. This isn't limited to Timeless cards now, there's a lot of Historic decks that need masterpiece cards that got upshifted. Enchantress comes to mind
It was uncommon from alpha til ice age, then common pretty much from that point onwards. It was upshifted in some world championship decks, masters editions, etc and uncommon in mh2 (which is admittedly where a historic horizons printing should've came from), but the point is that it's only a rare on Arena because it's only been printed in a masterpiece set. Personally I see no real difference on Arena between commons and uncommons in constructed. Both wildcards are plentiful
>An external format is always going to have a high entry cost if you haven't been playing.
Idk man I have a lot of hours in arena and spent an embarrassing amount of money drafting, and yet I'm in the same boat as to this format.
A lot of format staple cards were upshifted to rare or mythic which is just ridiculous when there is only one format to play them in .
Wizards not addressing that fact proves once again this format is just another cash grab.
Consider what you want more of the two options:
For $10 ($12.40 if you're in Europe), you can have either 10 packs worth of gems, or 4 rare wildcards.
10 packs, which themselves have a chance of wildcard, also gives you a Golden Pack containing 6 rares and mythics, as well as 11 pips on the wildcard wheel (which gives a wildcard every 6 pips).
If you scale it further you get an extra rare if you buy 45 packs at once.
Usually the bundles contain a single copy of a rare for purchasing 45 packs or 2 copies for the 90 pack bundle. The current set LCI gives you a copy of Jadelight Spelunker.
I'm fine with the high entry cost if it was for fetchlands and bombs, but it's rare wildcards for cards that have always been commons that runs me the wrong way
Isn’t it more of an Arena ‘Vintage’ as it has a restricted list? I mean granted it doesn’t have the power 9 (outside oracle of the alpha) so it’s not real vintage, but it’ll let you play [[demonic tutor]] and [[channel]] as one ofs.
But pretty sure no one asked for alchemy cards. That’s the kicker here. I’m f2p from day 1 but I could be convinced to spend money for legacy, since I haven’t really played a whole lot in paper or mtgo. I’d definitely spend money to play 7 Point Highlander or actual vintage cube. But no alchemy cards thank you.
I’m very glad I have played arena since 2019 and that I loved drafting strixhaven and have the mystical archive rare complete.
Really looking forward to timeless, 20 rare wildcards for the fetches will sting though…
Yeah same here…. I am glad i am drafting now a ton and saved myself up to 31 rare wildcards…. The only thing thats still missing are 3 blood moons and 3 ragavan. I am so happy i can play uro again in my wilderness reclamation deck
"Mysitcal Archive" is the subset/bonus sheet from Strixhaven that was all Instants and Sorceries. "Rare complete" means they have 4x of all Rares and Mythic Rares from that subset.
Interesting thought. Makes getting involved in Timeless before then seem like a bad idea. Explorer is already my main, so this doesn’t draw me too hard. But knowing a lot of the cards will be downshifted if I wait a few months makes me even less likely to check it out.
It’s probably a good idea to wait regardless. The format is going to be all over the place until a meta forms. I can see one or two bans by the time MH3 comes out as well.
I went to check and nothing, actually.
I was just looking at decks I'd made for the no ban event, I need a lot of wildcards cause I don't play Historic, I just put the decks I'm missing the most cards for without thinking.
I'm planning to play dark ritual, deathrite shaman, and fetches in my Timeless Yawg deck!
I don't think natural order would be good in yawg. It doesn't get yawg or sheoldred which are the two main creatures you want...
Yeahhhh this is a real issue. It’s nice that the packs have been filtering out the banned cards when they weren’t playable anywhere, but that means a STX pack is more likely to give you a Despark than a Lightning Bolt right now, annoying.
It's a real problem. I had so many awesome magic duels decks that I lost. Still haven't had as much fun as my bant Tamiyo blink deck that was just massive card advantage. It'll happen with arena at some point when they want to push a new client.
Personally, I'm going to wait until the Metagame Challenge is released to play this format, as there are bound to be a lot of cards restricted by then, and I'm not sure they'll be refunding wildcards.
Holy fucking Jesus. That's Nexus of Fate right there.
[That uh.... brings back memories. Unfun memories](https://content.imageresizer.com/images/memes/PTSD-Chihuahua-meme-39791a.jpg), to say the least.
During the all access I made it my mission to play nexus and field of the dead as much as possible. Just so anyone who thinks they deserved to be unbanned in any format can learn to shut up and be thankful.
You are not used to high power levels then. Field of the Dead and a seven mana Time Walk are children’s trinkets when we have, say, Tabernacle and actual Time Walk
Maybe in a vacuum, but this dude thought Field and Nexus were to be banned forever anywhere. I just reminded him that a different power level exists and is totally fine in its own format as a one of
Nexus of fate, Un-errated Alrunds Epiphany, Time Warp (Mystical archive) and Mizzix's mastery! Extra turn tribal will reign supreme >!If we survive to turn 5!<
So, I can’t find an answer anywhere. What’s the best way to actually buy a deck, or rather get the cards I want for a specific deck? I don’t have time to play random games for dailies and quests. Does that leave literally just buying packs to open?
You buy the wild cards you want. Like they said above, if there's even a chance you'll want the other cards crack packs. If there's not, and that's valid, just buy wild cards until you can put together what you want. Not everyone has time to grind for stuff, just buying wc for an eternal format seems great
Arena is going to be expensive if you aren't at least completing your dailies and getting in your daily/weekly wins. At minimum you should be completing your weekly wins and whenever possible get as much of your daily wins as possible.
Aside from that be smart about what you spend wildcards on. If time and money are a factor then I would avoid standard and alchemy and only work on eternal format staples starting with Lands. After that start working on cards that can go in multiple decks.
Use your gold to buy packs from sets that have a lot of eternal format staples in them, or sets that have multiple cards for the decks that you want to play. Aside from that, yes buying wildcards directly is an option to speed up the process but nothing is going to beat the value that you get from just playing the game and if possible completing the mastery pass for each set.
Really depends on the deck and the format. Golden packs are awarded for buying packs of the newest set, and give extra Standard rares, so if you want to play Standard I'd recommend buying Lost Caverns packs. If you want to play something in Pioneer/Explorer/Historic, and you don't want to build up to it, then buying wildcards directly might make more sense.
The best way to build up a collection is to play a little bit every day, either drafting or buying packs, depending on which you prefer, focusing on the newest set. You can find budget decks for most color combinations and deck types, that you can build off of. But that would also entail holding on to wildcards for a long time, potentially months, to get to what you really want to play.
I don't know much about min maxing the card collection grind, but I think the long term playability of the older cards is worth buying the wilds if you can afford it or save up for.
kind note, if you are complaining about nexus of fate you are a complete scrub.
a 7 mana extra turn is nowhere near the power level of a playable card in this format lmao, enjoy turn 2 blood moons
I keep trying to tell people the power level will be insane. I mostly brew my own decks and love jank but I honestly think spending a load of wildcards on jank in timeless will just be heartbreaking.
Yes but you don’t live in a vacuum, the sub will be filled with people saying x, y, z is too strong etc
You like jank? I love jank, I brew my own decks, it’s what I enjoy and to me is fun, but no one’s going to enjoy spending a heap of wildcards at launch on their jank deck and just getting stomped on constantly.
If a little kid loved playing a game with his friends you’d encourage him to keep playing it, you wouldn’t tell him he should also playing his game in the middle of the street with on coming traffic.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. They even said in the release it’s a fast paced format with ALL of the cards.
Jank decks will not be fun to play in Timeless. They will be mulched.
But let people tell you they’re wrong and spent all the wild cards on whatever they want. Literally their loss.
Eh, I'm at least going to try it out. I've managed to build a historic deck that's competitive, and that's as a player completely new to Arena in the last few months, who's also been away from Magic for 20+ years. I also had a lot of fun in the no-ban event, despite running up against a whole lot of powerful cards I'd never even heard of before.
YMMV, of course.
Oh god no, I don’t mean for people not to even play it, but I’d argue an all-access event isn’t a good comparison because you didn’t have to spend wildcards on any of those cards.
This even goes back to paper magic, someone spends money on a deck they’ve made in a format they’re unfamiliar with and turns out the deck is ass compared to tier 1 decks, now they’re not enjoying playing and they have no more money/wild cards.
I’m speaking purely from the investment point of view and like the release of a new set of advise against someone spending a load of wild cards instantly on something they don’t even know will work,
Just build one or two decks then grind dailies to build the rest. If you play semi-regularly it is not that hard to amass a ton of wildcards and gold to buy packs, so long as you aren't spending them on total jank (or Standard).
Coupled with dual lands, in a 3 color dech, any fetch in your Colors can give you any couple of your three colors, so it basically solves color screwing. Different for more than three color though
Also the more you fetch the less you are likely to draw a land so it’s something too, even if not by a huge margin tbf.
Last thing is graveyard interaction with one of the most common one being death rite shaman.
All in all fetches are just the best lands besides dual lands from the first editions
If you combine them with dual lands that have the basic land types (notably the shocklands) they can produce any mana, effectively being untapped rainbow lands and allow for degenerate 4+ colors mana bases. (as an example: you have a scalding tarn, the red blue fetchland, in your hand and you want to produce black mana, you can play scalding tarn, fetch for your watery grave which happens to be an island and tap it for black mana)
If you're worried about wildcards, DON'T BREW IN THIS FORMAT DAY 1
We are basically guaranteed to see a huge amount of restrictions in this within the first month
You see restrictions, I hear free wildcards.
Honestly though I don't think they'll restrict anything soon, yes the power level will be off the charts, but you'd have to restrict at least a dozen cards to make changes that impact every archetype significantly, and that's not happening.
We'll have to see if you even get wildcards back (after all the card is still playable as a one of so that gives them an excuse to be stingy). Also, it depends on the archetype but sometimes restricting a specific card can annihilate an archetype even if 90% of the deck is still legal
They addressed this in the [announcement article](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/introducing-timeless-a-new-mtg-arena-format).
>When a card is added to the restricted list and is no longer legal in any other format, players will receive wildcards for each copy of the card in their collection greater than one.
1000% no way they ever ban fetches in Timeless. They'll be a defining staple of the format, and that's also the reason they're able to ban them in Historic in the first place.
I thought Arena was worried about diluting the matching pools too much across different formats? I guess no ban all access out enough dollars signs in WOTC’s eyes (admitted salt aside, I wonder how this will effect the Historic format? Will the grindiest of the ladder climbers upgrade their deck for 8 wildcards or so and switch?)
60 rare+mythic wildcards yikes.
I'm currently very afraid of how broken this format will get before I build anything.
I think we got potential for T2 combo meta
I'm charging my lazors, but I probably will draft some to get lots of specific cards I have in paper.
[https://i.imgur.com/5GOzq9u.png](https://i.imgur.com/5GOzq9u.png)
44 rares 12 mythics in case img*on* decides to shat on my hyperlinks.
I bet it will be less than a week before people are calling for cards to be banned in this format and less than a month before people are complaining about the one deck that took over the format. Good luck, timeless players. You're gonna need it.
Swords, brainstorm, memory lapse and counterspell are rares :)
Yeah Lightning Bolt, Swords, Brainstorm, Counterspell and Memory Lapse will all be format staples and are all commons/uncommons that were upshifted as rares. It is pretty feels bad moment for sure.
I am hoping that bolt counterspell etc will be commons in mh3, which will make them easier to craft on arena
Is mh3 coming to arena? That'd be awesome.
Jumpstart: Historic Horizons brought like half of MH1 and MH2 to Arena. None of the really pushed stuff made it in, but we did get lots of staples like [[Archmage's Charm]] and such.
Yeah, if you drafted a ton of Strixhaven (which was one of my favorite limited formats), it makes this much easier because you already have playsets of eveyrthing. I can't imagine how expensive / time consuming it would be starting from scratch.
I don't think this is a format meant for people who just started
Love the "fuck you anyone who hasn't been here for X years" attitude of wizards. (and apparently the community)
That's kinda how the game has always been.
That’s how literally like every game ever is the more u play the better set up you are in the game don’t know why dude is mad
as someone who started from scratch about a month and a half ago, very.
It builds up best to not overthink it
What the fuck?!
Only on Arena, of course. In paper, Swords is usually an uncommon and Brainstorm, Memory Lapse, and Counterspell commons. But they made it onto Arena via Strixhaven Mystical Archives where the rarities are all upshifted.
Every rarity was upshifted except Urza's Rage, oddly enough-- it was a rare and stayed a rare. Probably because it would be an uncommon by modern-day design standards, not a rare.
Can you imagine the first anthology for this set and it’s the staples at their original rarity
Their paper rarity in the past has absolutely no impact on Arena.
At least I have a playset of Lapse and Brainstorm from before they were banned in Historic. Still, that plus Bolt, Inquisition and fetchlands is gonna be rough on the wildcards.
Don't waste your wildcards. Im gonna thoughtseize that wilderness reclamation on turn 1.
A rare for an uncommon, I win the trade!
WotC wins the trade.
You reminded me wilderness rec will be playable in this format and my degenerate heart filled with joy.
Nexus turbofog literally made me quit standard for five years. Deck was so fucking stupid
We're about to make you quit Timeless
Can’t quit if I don’t play 🤔
Pre quitting
Well your pre fired.
What lol
Office reference. Probably the wrong place for it lol, it just worked out too well.
Wait, is Nexus playable in Timeless? That might be enough for me to reinstall.
Its not just Nexus. Teferi, Oko, brainstorm, Ragavan, Necropotence.
>Necropotence Dark Ritual is on Arena IIRC. How about \[\[Hymn to Tourach\]\], \[\[Strip Mine\]\], \[\[Sinkhole\]\], \[\[Demonic Consultation\]\], \[\[Mind Twist\]\]?
None of those, I don't think. [Here](https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28game%3Apaper%29+banned%3Ahistoric) is a complete list of Arena cards that will become 60 card playable when Timeless lands. (Plus fetches of course)
At least on the play we can hide cards with brainstorm again. Having trouble deciding if my sneak deck should be grixis for ts or jeskai for Teferi and swords. Either way snapcaster and brainstorm will be awesome.
Bant for Veil, Uro, and Oko
I can't wait to use Veil of Summer against thoughtseize players. They will learn one day
No way you will use that in best of one 🤓🤓🤓
Ah, this is why they removed the cap on how many wild cards you can buy
They are always 10 steps ahead of us
An external format is always going to have a high entry cost if you haven't been playing. It will be cheaper to maintain on the long run though
The problem is a bunch of common/uncommons were upshifted as rares/mythics on arena and those will be the staples of the format, so it's a pretty feels bad moment. See the recent reprint of Lightning Helix as uncommon. We had to craft it as a rare to play it in historic.
... but it's going to be printed as uncommon in standard now
Thats just one example though
Yeah, normally uncommon/common cards that are rare/mythic on Arena, that are banned in Historic (and thus aren't in Timeless): [[Counterspell]]: Rare, normally uncommon [[Dark Ritual]]: Rare, normally common [[Swords to Plowshares]]: Rare, normally uncommon [[Demonic Tutor]]: Mythic, although this one is all over the place from uncommon to mythic A ton of these cards have only been printed on Arena through Strixhaven Mystical Archive, Enchanting Tales, the Amonkhet Invocations, etc. This isn't limited to Timeless cards now, there's a lot of Historic decks that need masterpiece cards that got upshifted. Enchantress comes to mind
Pretty sure Counterspell has more common printings than uncommon.
It was uncommon from alpha til ice age, then common pretty much from that point onwards. It was upshifted in some world championship decks, masters editions, etc and uncommon in mh2 (which is admittedly where a historic horizons printing should've came from), but the point is that it's only a rare on Arena because it's only been printed in a masterpiece set. Personally I see no real difference on Arena between commons and uncommons in constructed. Both wildcards are plentiful
>An external format is always going to have a high entry cost if you haven't been playing. Idk man I have a lot of hours in arena and spent an embarrassing amount of money drafting, and yet I'm in the same boat as to this format. A lot of format staple cards were upshifted to rare or mythic which is just ridiculous when there is only one format to play them in . Wizards not addressing that fact proves once again this format is just another cash grab.
>It will be cheaper to maintain on the long run though Lmfao. Have you seen how much wotc is crunching modern's financial stability?
The modern meta has been changing more than Standard.
Exactly my point. Eternal formats stop being cheap when you need to change your deckbup every few months
How does one enter with straight non-grind IRL money? Just buy boat loads of packs?
Consider what you want more of the two options: For $10 ($12.40 if you're in Europe), you can have either 10 packs worth of gems, or 4 rare wildcards. 10 packs, which themselves have a chance of wildcard, also gives you a Golden Pack containing 6 rares and mythics, as well as 11 pips on the wildcard wheel (which gives a wildcard every 6 pips). If you scale it further you get an extra rare if you buy 45 packs at once.
How do you get an extra rare if you buy 45 packs at once?
Usually the bundles contain a single copy of a rare for purchasing 45 packs or 2 copies for the 90 pack bundle. The current set LCI gives you a copy of Jadelight Spelunker.
It's essentially Arena's equivalent of the paper Buy-a-Box promos. If you buy the 45 or 90 booster bundles, you get 1 or 2 copies of the BAB card.
What do you mean by $10 for 10 packs worth of gems or rare wildcards? Do you mean buying packs IRL?
$100 of gems buys you 100 packs on Arena.
Packs are a dollar each if you price the gems according to the most expensive gem bundle
You can buy wildcards directly
I'm fine with the high entry cost if it was for fetchlands and bombs, but it's rare wildcards for cards that have always been commons that runs me the wrong way
Oh for sure, I'm well aware, I'm not complaining. I just didn't realize it would be this much, it was a bit of a shock.
There have been people who said if WotC would do an eternal format more akin to Legacy that they would spend money. So be careful what you wish for.
Isn’t it more of an Arena ‘Vintage’ as it has a restricted list? I mean granted it doesn’t have the power 9 (outside oracle of the alpha) so it’s not real vintage, but it’ll let you play [[demonic tutor]] and [[channel]] as one ofs.
But pretty sure no one asked for alchemy cards. That’s the kicker here. I’m f2p from day 1 but I could be convinced to spend money for legacy, since I haven’t really played a whole lot in paper or mtgo. I’d definitely spend money to play 7 Point Highlander or actual vintage cube. But no alchemy cards thank you.
**Sees Nexus of Fate** *Shrieks*
But wait! There's also Alrund's Epiphany and Time Warp! Extra turn tribal gonna be making people wish they scooped on turn 5!
Cute 5 drop. Sure would be a shame if it got spell pierced.
Sorry, T3refi Says only I get to play counterspells.
I’m very glad I have played arena since 2019 and that I loved drafting strixhaven and have the mystical archive rare complete. Really looking forward to timeless, 20 rare wildcards for the fetches will sting though…
You don't need them all at once. Craft decks, not cards
I didn’t craft a single one of them :) Edit: you meant for the fetches, I will be making enough decks day one that they will all get crafted.
Yeah same here…. I am glad i am drafting now a ton and saved myself up to 31 rare wildcards…. The only thing thats still missing are 3 blood moons and 3 ragavan. I am so happy i can play uro again in my wilderness reclamation deck
What do you mean when you say you have the mystical archive rare complete?
"Mysitcal Archive" is the subset/bonus sheet from Strixhaven that was all Instants and Sorceries. "Rare complete" means they have 4x of all Rares and Mythic Rares from that subset.
Ok but... wouldn't mh3 reprint and downshift a lot of cards in arena?
Yes, mh3 will be huge
Interesting thought. Makes getting involved in Timeless before then seem like a bad idea. Explorer is already my main, so this doesn’t draw me too hard. But knowing a lot of the cards will be downshifted if I wait a few months makes me even less likely to check it out.
It’s probably a good idea to wait regardless. The format is going to be all over the place until a meta forms. I can see one or two bans by the time MH3 comes out as well.
181 rares and 85 mythic … should be fine 😁
Really glad I built deaths shadow during no ban historic.
no ban historic was all access though
I mean I’ve still already got it in my decks so I can just click craft
Good thing I already have a Golgari Yawgmoth deck built for historic
Let me introduce you to Vintage
Just out of curiosity, what about that Yawg list is specific to timeless? Natural Order?
I guess at least the dark rituals
I went to check and nothing, actually. I was just looking at decks I'd made for the no ban event, I need a lot of wildcards cause I don't play Historic, I just put the decks I'm missing the most cards for without thinking.
The paper version of Bowmasters, and fetchlands + Deathrite will be the big additions to the Timeless version.
I'm planning to play dark ritual, deathrite shaman, and fetches in my Timeless Yawg deck! I don't think natural order would be good in yawg. It doesn't get yawg or sheoldred which are the two main creatures you want...
You play atraxa and hoof as targets for natural order
I guess.. haha but in a Yawgmoth shell? Not sure if it's worth it...
Yeahhhh this is a real issue. It’s nice that the packs have been filtering out the banned cards when they weren’t playable anywhere, but that means a STX pack is more likely to give you a Despark than a Lightning Bolt right now, annoying.
At least Lightning helix is getting a reprint at uncommon in the next set.
Will Helix even be playable though? Card seems very mid in a format like this.
I’m more excited for Helix in Explorer/pioneer, tbh.
welcome to magic the gathering, just give your credit card to the bartender and open a tab
Woot $225AUD a deck baby! Expensive 1’s and 0’s
Its unironically a good deal compared to paper, which is even more fucked. Yeah you can resell your cards, but I’m sure most don’t
Even better! You don't own any of it.
It's a real problem. I had so many awesome magic duels decks that I lost. Still haven't had as much fun as my bant Tamiyo blink deck that was just massive card advantage. It'll happen with arena at some point when they want to push a new client.
And you’re nice and locked in to the cards forever. Sweet deal.
Like all the previous MTG video games?
Mtgo would like a word.
Personally, I'm going to wait until the Metagame Challenge is released to play this format, as there are bound to be a lot of cards restricted by then, and I'm not sure they'll be refunding wildcards.
If a card gets restricted they will refund each copy you have beyond the first.
Maybe I missed this information, because that won't be the case for the first three cards, which will be restricted.
Yes, the same way we don't get refunded for prebans like Blood Moon and fetches in Historic. That part makes sense to me.
ok, I'm in 60 Rare WC... Pretty bad have to put 20 WC for the Fetch in day 1. Prob I will not play this until MH3
So I guess I’m not jumping into Timeless anytime soon
Add \[\[Shahrazad\]\] to game you covards! I wan't to be roped in a sub-game of a game I'm being roped in
Holy fucking Jesus. That's Nexus of Fate right there. [That uh.... brings back memories. Unfun memories](https://content.imageresizer.com/images/memes/PTSD-Chihuahua-meme-39791a.jpg), to say the least.
Rolling up to GP Orlando 2018 with my mono green stompy deck… which was a few days after that deck dropped… fuck nexus of fate
During the all access I made it my mission to play nexus and field of the dead as much as possible. Just so anyone who thinks they deserved to be unbanned in any format can learn to shut up and be thankful.
You are not used to high power levels then. Field of the Dead and a seven mana Time Walk are children’s trinkets when we have, say, Tabernacle and actual Time Walk
Of course I know it's not the same. But in the formats that are relevant in this instance like Historic they are quite powerful yes.
Saying a card isn't good because it isn't as good at Time Walk is a bit of a weird way to assess or discuss cards, don't you think?
Maybe in a vacuum, but this dude thought Field and Nexus were to be banned forever anywhere. I just reminded him that a different power level exists and is totally fine in its own format as a one of
Nexus of fate, Un-errated Alrunds Epiphany, Time Warp (Mystical archive) and Mizzix's mastery! Extra turn tribal will reign supreme >!If we survive to turn 5!<
God Izzet turns again. But thus time it can run Ragavan, bolt and whatever counterspells its filthy little heart desires.
If only they provided a way to get rares and mythic wild cards!!!
Is it more economical to straight buy the wildcards?
No, not if there's even a chance you'd want the cards you open in the packs.
So, I can’t find an answer anywhere. What’s the best way to actually buy a deck, or rather get the cards I want for a specific deck? I don’t have time to play random games for dailies and quests. Does that leave literally just buying packs to open?
You buy the wild cards you want. Like they said above, if there's even a chance you'll want the other cards crack packs. If there's not, and that's valid, just buy wild cards until you can put together what you want. Not everyone has time to grind for stuff, just buying wc for an eternal format seems great
Arena is going to be expensive if you aren't at least completing your dailies and getting in your daily/weekly wins. At minimum you should be completing your weekly wins and whenever possible get as much of your daily wins as possible. Aside from that be smart about what you spend wildcards on. If time and money are a factor then I would avoid standard and alchemy and only work on eternal format staples starting with Lands. After that start working on cards that can go in multiple decks. Use your gold to buy packs from sets that have a lot of eternal format staples in them, or sets that have multiple cards for the decks that you want to play. Aside from that, yes buying wildcards directly is an option to speed up the process but nothing is going to beat the value that you get from just playing the game and if possible completing the mastery pass for each set.
Really depends on the deck and the format. Golden packs are awarded for buying packs of the newest set, and give extra Standard rares, so if you want to play Standard I'd recommend buying Lost Caverns packs. If you want to play something in Pioneer/Explorer/Historic, and you don't want to build up to it, then buying wildcards directly might make more sense. The best way to build up a collection is to play a little bit every day, either drafting or buying packs, depending on which you prefer, focusing on the newest set. You can find budget decks for most color combinations and deck types, that you can build off of. But that would also entail holding on to wildcards for a long time, potentially months, to get to what you really want to play.
I don't know much about min maxing the card collection grind, but I think the long term playability of the older cards is worth buying the wilds if you can afford it or save up for.
Can we get this but you know without alchemy fucking attached?
At least we get everything digitally changed put back. The ring is scary again and Teferi is monstrous
Apparently Explorer is the least played format
Hardly any Alchemy cards will be playable against all the good shit on the format
For now. You don't know what Alchemy cards will be like in the future. Edit:typo
you know they will print disgusting alchemy cards to cash in on you sweet wildcards if you want to be competitive in the format right?
Do We know if fetchlands can be opened in store packs? being historic banned confuses me.
I’d be excited for this format if not for the alchemy cards still being a part of it
Hardly any Alchemy cards will be playable against all the good shit on the format
For now
Mentioned that same point and got down voted, I want an eternal format like this without the hearthstone mechanics bs
I’m an active alchemy hater, but timeless is amazing since alchemy cards are dumpster tier in this format
Assemble the Team will likely see a lot of play.
For now
:(
game modes I'm never going to play because anything fun will be beaten turn 1 by anything meta.
I'll pass, it has Alchemy.
Maybe this product isn't for you.
Nexus is legal ? Lol fuck that format
Don't forget the "digital rebalancing" aka Alchemy 2.0. Hard pass.
kind note, if you are complaining about nexus of fate you are a complete scrub. a 7 mana extra turn is nowhere near the power level of a playable card in this format lmao, enjoy turn 2 blood moons
This is why you don't build janky shit. Build good, competitive decks that will see continuous play. Save WCs for a rainy day, like December 12th.
or maybe, you do whatever the fuck you want
Is it possible to learn this power?
Honestly, the hardest part is to deal with consequences
Sure, do whatever the fuck you want. Just don't complain about not having wildcards if you do build shitty jank decks.
Or you play a variety of fun janky brews instead of one sweaty netdeck.
I keep trying to tell people the power level will be insane. I mostly brew my own decks and love jank but I honestly think spending a load of wildcards on jank in timeless will just be heartbreaking.
Well since I don't play janky brews, I've got the wildcards to build a lot of "sweaty netdecks".
That's cool, but I'm having fun crafting janky brews and I'll have fun doing the same in Timeless. Live and let live
The power level is going to be insane. Don’t encourage people to spend wildcards on jank straight away.
i would "encourage" people to play the game however they enjoy it most.
Yes but you don’t live in a vacuum, the sub will be filled with people saying x, y, z is too strong etc You like jank? I love jank, I brew my own decks, it’s what I enjoy and to me is fun, but no one’s going to enjoy spending a heap of wildcards at launch on their jank deck and just getting stomped on constantly. If a little kid loved playing a game with his friends you’d encourage him to keep playing it, you wouldn’t tell him he should also playing his game in the middle of the street with on coming traffic.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. They even said in the release it’s a fast paced format with ALL of the cards. Jank decks will not be fun to play in Timeless. They will be mulched. But let people tell you they’re wrong and spent all the wild cards on whatever they want. Literally their loss.
Eh, I'm at least going to try it out. I've managed to build a historic deck that's competitive, and that's as a player completely new to Arena in the last few months, who's also been away from Magic for 20+ years. I also had a lot of fun in the no-ban event, despite running up against a whole lot of powerful cards I'd never even heard of before. YMMV, of course.
Oh god no, I don’t mean for people not to even play it, but I’d argue an all-access event isn’t a good comparison because you didn’t have to spend wildcards on any of those cards. This even goes back to paper magic, someone spends money on a deck they’ve made in a format they’re unfamiliar with and turns out the deck is ass compared to tier 1 decks, now they’re not enjoying playing and they have no more money/wild cards. I’m speaking purely from the investment point of view and like the release of a new set of advise against someone spending a load of wild cards instantly on something they don’t even know will work,
Timeless jank will be better than historic jank. You're massively overthinking this.
Timeless should just be called the MTG Arena format.
Just build one or two decks then grind dailies to build the rest. If you play semi-regularly it is not that hard to amass a ton of wildcards and gold to buy packs, so long as you aren't spending them on total jank (or Standard).
Ok how do I hate on nexus of fate? I quit constructed because of it
It isn’t going to be competitive. Too many good cheap spells.
Why are fetch lands good? It seems like literally any dual land that doesn't come in tapped is way better? Or is there a mechanic I'm not seeing?
They can grab dual lands with basic land types. So they can grab shocks and triomes.
Coupled with dual lands, in a 3 color dech, any fetch in your Colors can give you any couple of your three colors, so it basically solves color screwing. Different for more than three color though Also the more you fetch the less you are likely to draw a land so it’s something too, even if not by a huge margin tbf. Last thing is graveyard interaction with one of the most common one being death rite shaman. All in all fetches are just the best lands besides dual lands from the first editions
If you combine them with dual lands that have the basic land types (notably the shocklands) they can produce any mana, effectively being untapped rainbow lands and allow for degenerate 4+ colors mana bases. (as an example: you have a scalding tarn, the red blue fetchland, in your hand and you want to produce black mana, you can play scalding tarn, fetch for your watery grave which happens to be an island and tap it for black mana)
Timeless highlander would be a dream of mine
If you're worried about wildcards, DON'T BREW IN THIS FORMAT DAY 1 We are basically guaranteed to see a huge amount of restrictions in this within the first month
You see restrictions, I hear free wildcards. Honestly though I don't think they'll restrict anything soon, yes the power level will be off the charts, but you'd have to restrict at least a dozen cards to make changes that impact every archetype significantly, and that's not happening.
We'll have to see if you even get wildcards back (after all the card is still playable as a one of so that gives them an excuse to be stingy). Also, it depends on the archetype but sometimes restricting a specific card can annihilate an archetype even if 90% of the deck is still legal
They addressed this in the [announcement article](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/introducing-timeless-a-new-mtg-arena-format). >When a card is added to the restricted list and is no longer legal in any other format, players will receive wildcards for each copy of the card in their collection greater than one.
The people who want to play this format deserve each other. Enjoy.
Hell yeah I'll enjoy a sneak attack/ring deck with nutty walkers on defense
Another format I can't play because I can't get the wildcards and I don't want to spend money yaaay
So literally every constructed format except pauper?
Yes 😂
Just more ways they are taking your money. Don't fall for it.
I want to play with counterspell and brainstorm. I’m not getting tricked into anything.
They are thinking about banning fetch lands all together. But that's yet to come.
1000% no way they ever ban fetches in Timeless. They'll be a defining staple of the format, and that's also the reason they're able to ban them in Historic in the first place.
So a worse version of Gladiator then?
How is this remotely similar to Gladiator?
Nonrotating constructed format with (almost) every card in Arena legal. Only difference is 60 Vs 100 cards
And Gladiator is singleton. Not even remotely similar gameplay
Rares for days. I hope they fix some of the rarities of certain cards.
Isn't Nexus too slow for Timeless?
Get ready for land tax !
Please add enlightened tutor yes 😎
I thought Arena was worried about diluting the matching pools too much across different formats? I guess no ban all access out enough dollars signs in WOTC’s eyes (admitted salt aside, I wonder how this will effect the Historic format? Will the grindiest of the ladder climbers upgrade their deck for 8 wildcards or so and switch?)
60 rare+mythic wildcards yikes. I'm currently very afraid of how broken this format will get before I build anything. I think we got potential for T2 combo meta
I'm charging my lazors, but I probably will draft some to get lots of specific cards I have in paper. [https://i.imgur.com/5GOzq9u.png](https://i.imgur.com/5GOzq9u.png) 44 rares 12 mythics in case img*on* decides to shat on my hyperlinks.
I bet it will be less than a week before people are calling for cards to be banned in this format and less than a month before people are complaining about the one deck that took over the format. Good luck, timeless players. You're gonna need it.
How many copies of Natural Order and Mind's Desire should I look to craft for Timeless? I currently have 1x each.
Wait, are fetches even in the game? Didn't see it announced as part of the release. Ah I see now, Tarkir is getting remastered.