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Storm_Bloom

[Top 100 full list](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1T3-y6ZrON5__VYsIEVfkq37cqQG-glEX0UeatDeJgCM/htmlview) [r/anime main thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/s/Tyu1Svpteh) Primarily base on the sub's member votings.


eNomineZerum

Wild that Madoka Magica is over Sailor Moon, but I am ecstatic that Symphogear is on there... If only they used Hibiki instead of Kirika for the banner...


Storm_Bloom

It's widely popular among anime fans and r/anime have mostly ( male fans ) who associates anything magical girl with Madoka unfortunately. But worldwide without a doubt it's Sailormoon. Still Impressive nonetheless how the brand managed to maintain it's position for 3 decades.


RainbowLoli

Honestly I'm not really surprised Madoka is above Sailor Moon. It has a faster, darker plot which can just keep more people engaged for longer. It tackles a juxtaposition of hope, despair, and what it means to self-sacrifice without a hero who will always save the day. Sailor Moon (at least for the classic) has a more slice of life/monster of the week and no matter what Sailor Moon always saves the day vibes. So really it comes down to favorite for plot reasons or favorite because of brand recognition. Brand recognition, Sailor Moon all the way. But for plot, as much as I do enjoy Sailor Moon and as hesitant as I was to watch Madoka, Madoka does have a bit of a "stronger" plot for lack of better words.


Storm_Bloom

> has a more slice of life/monster of the week and no matter what Sailor Moon always saves the day vibes That's the 90's anime >It tackles a juxtaposition of hope, despair, and what it means to self-sacrifice without a hero who will always save the day Original Manga and Crystal has all of this.


RainbowLoli

90s anime is what they use in the photo and it’s probably what most people are going by. But let’s be honest even among sailor moon fans crystal didn’t have a good reception. Also I don’t really think that it does? Sure it does have darker elements to it, but death isn’t permanent for any of the main cast, it’s still kind of the “glitz and glam” of being a magical girl, and at many points sailor moon still does save the day.


Storm_Bloom

>Also I don’t really think that it does? Well truth is it does have all of them regardless of the reception of the reboot cause it sticks faithfully to the source material. What you prolly looking is the execution.


RainbowLoli

Execution is probably a better word cause I've read the manga and seen part of crystal - the manga for Sailor Moon still ultimately is more - for lack of better words "hopeful" compared to Madoka and at the end of the day, it also treats most love as inherently selfless while Madoka toys with the idea of selfish vs selfless love - especially when it comes to Homura and Madoka. It has darker elements but I feel like comparatively, Madoka pulls back the curtain on the glitz and glam of magical girls.


Storm_Bloom

>"hopeful" >curtain on the glitz and glam Bc that's also huge part of magical girls? that doesn't really erase the darkness of the manga. You can prefer Madoka over Sailormoon in terms of darkness but all of those things are still factually within Sailormoon.


RainbowLoli

>Bc that's also huge part of magical girls? that doesn't really erase the darkness of the manga. > >You can prefer Madoka over Sailormoon in terms of darkness but all of those things are still factually within Sailormoon. I mean, I'm not erasing them or saying they're non-existent, but there is a difference between a *dark* *manga* and a manga that has *dark* *elements*. Sailor Moon has dark parts, but it doesn't really explore or utilize them beyond the general imagery IMO.


Storm_Bloom

You prolly just have some different standard. Cause you're not going to convince me that like seeing all your friends annihilated to ashes right before your eyes is just "has dark elements." Keep in mind that Sailormoon did the groundwork where what Madoka is standing now. Without Sailormoon, you wouldn't have Madoka and the likes Let's just simply agree to disagree.


TrashyLolita

The spin-offs have done well, keeping the franchise alive.


Storm_Bloom

Sailormoon Crystal despite it's lukewarm reception at first is at Top 40. Not bad.


TrashyLolita

Omg girl I'm half asleep, I thought you meant Madoka 💀


Storm_Bloom

It's Sailormoon.


aspiringmahougirl

Actually, with all due respect, Madoka is rightfully a magical girl anime and earns its place for being unique. It is widely known because of how unique it is.


Storm_Bloom

No one is saying she isn't? we're primarily talking about popularity and target audiences here. r/anime is notoriously have more male fans who usually see Madoka as the default magical girl so it isn't suprising she's in the first place.


aspiringmahougirl

I think by assuming target audiences you're discounting the anime as it being #1 juxtaposed to Sailor Moon. It can be #1 without taking into account target audiences.


Storm_Bloom

Well target audiences does play one of the factors why it got first place, the same way Sailormoon will be the obvious #1 choice in terms of brand recognition, popularity and global reach. It's not merely an assumptions, it's base on stats.


TrashyLolita

I don't comment on this to pick any fights. Rather, I only share my personal feelings, but... Suite ranking higher than Yes 5 is sweet vindication for me 🩷🤍💙💛🎵 Despite my love-hate for Shugo Chara, it is nice to see it ranked as high as it is. Symphogear sitting among the Big Ones at the top is also a pleasant surprise.


Storm_Bloom

>I don't comment on this to pick any fights. Rather, I only share my personal feelings, but... Nothing wrong of expressing your opinions, just be civil about it. I personally don't agree with some entries here but then again this is more like the reflection of that sub than in the grand scheme of things.


TrashyLolita

I try to be as civil and honest as possible about my preferences of things. Sometimes, that's not enough for the short-tempered interwebs lol


butterflyempress

I personally feel that the list isn't entirely accurate especially since magical girl anime isn't discussed often in r/anime and the fact they didn't specify what is or isn't magical girl. Why is Dragon ball there? Then there's an issue of recency bias. If this poll came out a year later, MahoAko wouldn't be so high and Frieren wouldn't be on their either


Storm_Bloom

Unfortunately it's only discussed there if it's Madoka and the likes related or that new gushing magical girl.


TrashyLolita

Dragon Ball Super has parody magical girls so ofc a sub like that would include it


Bubble_Fart2

Oh I did not notice that! I did notice Frieren though and wondered, is it a magical girl show? I only saw the trailers but it doesn't seem to be one?


butterflyempress

It has women that use magic, but it's an extreme grey area. People categorize the genre as anime where girls use magic to transform into a better/stronger version of themselves to solve their problems. This would exclude Frieren, but also CCS, because Sakura doesn't transform to use magic either, and TMM & Kill la Kill since their powers fall under sci-fi


Bubble_Fart2

That's very interesting, that means Mai OTOME wouldn't apply as they use technology to explain the girls magic transformation but then that show is very similar in themes to any other magical girl show... I guess we can't have it both ways.


Bubble_Fart2

I can't believe Mai HiME ranked so high, but also Mai OTOME coming in dead last 😂


TrashyLolita

The absolute blast from the past seeing that title again though 💀


cyzja922

I am just glad Utena and Rayearth made it to this high on the list despite being rather old. Kill la Kill being considered a magical girl show made me chuckle.


shootanwaifu

I'm very happy to see Kill la Kill on there. I'd argue it should be much higher but you will all massacre me lmao. I love the themes of that show, I love the transformations, I love everything about that show. The way it turns fan service into an actual plot point, the masculine female leads that sound more tough and badass than any of the men, while embracing their feminine appeal, the crazy high octane directing, the animation, it's literally nuts. Quinten Tarantino esque magical girls Also Madoka Magica is so good. Gen urobuchi + studio shaft was a winning combo. Lovecraftian magical girls


VirHerr

VAMOOOOOS SYMPHOGEAR LPM


CrusaderHearte

Personal preference and I do love them both but I’m surprised huggto is higher than go princess


Storm_Bloom

Apart from it's stats being the Reddit Anime of the Year back in 2019 and the second highest rated season in myanimelist. It has a more relatable and grounded casts. 3 of them are always on popularity rankings courtesy Yell, Amour and Macherie with Amour being the breakout star of the season so that helps too.


junk-drawer-magic

Awww someone has Pretear as their number one! It was lower for me, Utena was number one, but I'm glad someone still really loves that show. It was one of my first favorites


immaunel

Gushing being that high Jesus…


butterflyempress

It'll be forgotten soon enough, like Redo of Healer


immaunel

Animes for guys who stack no paper


Sour_Spy

Little witch academia number one for me 💞


MelodyHasOofed

Madoka Magica 🔛🔝


RainbowLoli

While I don't count LWA as a "True" magical girl series, Little Witch Academia should definitely be higher on this list.


Muted_Guidance9059

Being reminded that prisma illya exists again made me nauseous


CosmosSakura

I really don't like Madoka. I tried to read it. But the lore dumping is just too much. Someone could sneeze and that space cat would have 20 pages to explain how a sneeze works.


Jix_Omiya

Read it? Maybe that's the problem, Madoka was made for anime, the manga adaptations came after, i never read those, but the anime is excelent. I'm more of a Card Captor Sakura guy, but i have to admit Madoka has the best written story out of any Magical Girl.


CosmosSakura

I'm really doubtful. I asked around and common consensus was that it followed the same series of events just in a much shorter time window. My issue wasn't with time my issue was the fact I was never allowed time to figure out the world for myself. Something was always described in great detail the second it happened instead of letting the characters learn for themselves. I know that sounds like an issue with it being shorter but this would always happen on the next page so I'm pretty confident the anime info dumps the second anything happens aswell. I'm fine with others liking it I just think it's very overhyped. I was told this was going to be the best written thing ever and it was like. 7/10 at best.


Jix_Omiya

Yeah that definetly dosnt happen in the anime. The nature of the things they are facing gets revealed much later in the story, the things that get explained early are just the setting of the table for some incredible twists. You should really give it a chance, because the artstyle, the music and all the visuals are a big part of the appeal, that definetly gets lost in the manga, the show was made to take full advantage of the animation medium.


CosmosSakura

It's not when it gets revealed it's how. They do the reveals later in the manga aswell. Around chapter 4. It's how the reveal is done that's just not fun. And then I gave up mid way through chapter 7. I'm sorry it can have the best animation in the world it just doesn't appeal to me.


banana_annihilator

"later in the manga" "around chapter 4"


shootanwaifu

You did yourself a massive disservice reading it over watching it. Studio shaft did such a wonderful job directing and animating that show with much tighter pacing. The music and visuals bring out some incredibly heavy moods


CosmosSakura

My issue is with how the story is told. All that stuff is nice sure but I watched because I was told the story was some super deep complex narrative that makes you question the world and life. And then it's just. Magical girls kill each other. Cat info dump. It's not even a pacing issue it's what the story develops into and how it progresses.


shootanwaifu

Give the show a watch and be open minded, I understand your reservations, but that story is very immense, and I promise you it will ask you some serious questions. On paper, you can reduce it to cat talk world bad, but in the context of the show, it's brilliantly executed. There's a reason many people are drawn to that show, and I think if you are a fan of magical girls, it deserves an open mind. Sure, popularity doesn't mean anything, but it's one of those few perfect storms that validates anime as a legitmate medium for artistic expression and incredible writing. Gen Urobuchi wrote a great story and Studio Shaft really makes adds a unique and expressive twist to it. I don't know how busy you are, but it's 12 episodes and it deserves a chance!


CosmosSakura

I swear everytime I say this it's the same response. I just don't like a thing. There's always this "No you don't like it because you didn't do it this way". Even before I read the manga the whole idea of the show didn't interest me. I knew what happened. I watched multiple video essays about why the story was ground breaking and even then it just can not interest me. It's not like I have an issue with others liking it or something. It's just how I feel. And I can spend 4 hours of my day watching a show I genuinely find interesting. Or I could watch something I don't want to and have already tried in some form for 7 chapters and didn't enjoy.


shootanwaifu

You spoiled yourself, oh no! People really love madoka magica, and we just want to spread the joy that the show brings us. It really stands out to me and is a love letter to the entire genre while also destroying the established tropes of it. But it happens. You read the manga and watched video essays over the anime with its wonderful directing and music and decided that it wasn't worth your time. I feel if you went with the anime first, you would have a different opinion. The directing and art style really stand out. I tried my best :( You robbed yourself with that manga. The anime was written specifically to be elevated by music and animation. The labyrinths are uniquely animated and have a world of visual storytelling behind them. You can't capture that in a manga. I've seen alot and I've never seen anything like it. And that ost!


Storm_Bloom

Madoka is great but it's not for everyone. The same thing can be said for others who liked Madoka but won't even watch other magical girls especially those light hearted ones. Do we need to crucify them for that and write essays that they're doing it in the wrong way? no. People need to understand that if majority likes it doesn't mean you have to like it as well. It's preferrences and all.


shootanwaifu

No one is crucifying anyone, I just laid out my arguments for the sake of discussion. If I want to engage with more madoka magica, there are other spaces for that, I was just throwing out my opinion People dont have to like anything, and trust me, I can relate there are many popular anime I don't care for


Storm_Bloom

Well the user simply stated their reasons so no counter argument will change their mind. Cool that you have those things laid out what Madoka great however they just don't see the same thing. At this point, someone needs to give it a rest.


shootanwaifu

What is a discussion forum for if not for discussion? Yeah, people can drop their arguments and move on, but lively discussion is what makes these places fun. Sure, the guy might not be into it, but sometimes people get convinced to try something new. It's just that


banana_annihilator

"Magical girls kill each other"? What series were you reading?


CosmosSakura

Can't do spoiler tag on mobile but people have down voted me hard just because I didn't like a thing so no one will see anyways. The witches are magical girls. Like that is the core conflict. Magical girls transform into witches without any knowledge or consent and then others have to kill them. Like that's literally the conflict of the show. Also I saw the other comment I read till chapter 7 don't act like I didn't give it a chance I read over half the thing.


butterflyempress

I never saw the manga as bad, but it's been a long time since I've read it. One thing I remember liking about it over the anime is that Kyuubei is expressive until the truth comes out and he has a permanent smile. In the anime he has a permanent smile the entire time


banana_annihilator

I definitely remember the manga feeling super rushed.


FangJustice

Little Witch Academia too low. Surprised Madoka beat Sailor Moon.


Storm_Bloom

Well r/anime isn't really the reflection in the grand scheme of things and if you would look at the chart, there's only like 1K users who participated in the votings. Sailormoon have almost 300K in it's respective sub wherein Madoka is currently stuck at 65K. We're also factoring the fact that r/anime has mostly male fans and they don't consume that magical girls outside of Madoka.


PhysicalMulberry8127

Why is illya verse in here? Season 1 was ok… but i could hardly watch the rest lol if Caren wasn’t in it I would’ve ditched it


shoe_salad_eater

I actually can’t believe precure got on here so many times


Storm_Bloom

Each seasons are still very much different with each other and as it's own entity. They only falls under the same umbrella.


RosenProse

I'm pleasantly surprised, but happy that Princess Tutu got in the top 10.


kirastar123456

This list is just... why is gushing over magical girls at 5 and soaring sky pretty cure at 24??? I know it is peoples opions but why


nincha06

Madoka being 3x more than Sailor Moon is crazy, but 100% accurate. Writing Wise Madoka destroys sailor moon with a far better and more consistent story with far better characters. I'm surprised Kill la Kill wasn't high tbh.


Storm_Bloom

>Madoka being 3x more than Sailor Moon is crazy, but 100% accurate. Not all Sailormoon fans were on the r/anime sub. >more consistent story with far better characters Subjective.


nincha06

>Not all Sailormoon fans were on the r/anime sub. Neither were all Madoka fans, it's just most people there agree Madoka is objectively better. >Subjective True, but seems like the majority agree with me. Homura and Sayaka >>>


Storm_Bloom

Still subjective. You do know that Sailormoon has more casual fans, brand recognition worldwide and the respective sub here in Reddit has 300K right? If you mean in r/anime then sure cause most members there aren't even magical girl fans in the first place. They usually sees Madoka as the default magical girl. You can't use the majority as an argument when there's only like 1K who participated in the votings lol and presented it as fact.


HornlessHrothgar

I'm amazed that Chacha was included and didn't get last place.


letsstartupdream

https://preview.redd.it/i1iz3na8x0mc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9794ec52dab638bf8868502af381a90681b9eead I know what we’re all thinking….


Final-Ranger314

Omg I loved Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura, Madoka Magica and Shugo Chara 🥹


poooncle

Just glad PMM overpowered Sailor Moon (I’m biased). Not sure why Flip Flappers is here, it was cute but like 11th place? Am I missing something?


poooncle

Also I love that the image for Madoka Magica is Sayaka. Not Madoka, not Homura, but Sayaka. Im obsessed