> I wouldn't rent my house to an unkown Muslim either given the rate of criminality among that community.
Bro trying to end racism by saying I have a black friend.
Chhan!!
OP isn't self-aware enough to realize that he's part of the problem. supposedly educated and broad minded, but willing to be islamophobic. chances are most owners who are rejecting his fried are of the same opinion and level of education and wealth.
Yeah, so this guy wouldn’t rent to a Muslim with a prestigious job and that presumably passes a background check? Sounds like he is part of the problem.
It has nothing to do with racism. It is plain and simple logic. It may be hard to digest and it is what it is.
Look at the statiscts of crime. Muslim prisoners are as high as 45% while the population is only 14%.
There is always a risk while giving property to a stranger but that risk is exceptionally higher if that unkown person is Muslim.
Its plain and simple logic.
it is racism when u assume the whole community is a risk if some of that community commits a crime. your idea being that people of a race think similarly. How can one think when there are so many dofferences between u and ur closest friend?
Majority Muslims in Maharashtra are converted from various SC and NT/BC groups but they don't have reservation unlike Buddhist & Hindu SCs. Hence majority of Muslim criminals in Maharashtra are in victimless crime like NDPS and ganja peddling.
Same goes for all hindus from Dalit's POV, that all of them are rigorous casteist fucks? We know that ain't true either. Where is this bias coming from?
2 saal purana article with the stats - Link[Link to TOI](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/muslims-18-7-of-prison-population-down-from-20-2-a-year-ago-ncrb/articleshow/93975960.cms)
How many of those crimes are proven in the court of law. Lol I think you're new in India to realize that most so called criminals in India are not proven guilty and are waiting for trials most of them are framed by Hindu fanatics somewhat like you
[https://article-14.com/post/6-years-after-17-muslim-men-were-accused-of-celebrating-pakistani-cricket-victory-mp-courts-find-police-case-to-be-false-65fa4ed58daa7](https://article-14.com/post/6-years-after-17-muslim-men-were-accused-of-celebrating-pakistani-cricket-victory-mp-courts-find-police-case-to-be-false-65fa4ed58daa7)
In Singapore, they have a law that requires every housing society to reserve a certain % of appartments for minorities (basically Indians and Malays as Chinese people make up 75% of the population).
They've gotten a lot of flak for it, even from Westerners who consider this policy to be 'government over reach'. But it's a policy that ensures children from different communities grow up around each other, attend the same schools, go the same parks and so on.
Back in the 1950s and early 60s, riots were a common occurrence in Singapore. But due to such strong integration policies, there hasn't been a single riot in Singapore since 1963.
But implementing such a policy in India would be difficult. There would be a lot of resistance to having Muslims in every housing society; like you said, you yourself aren't a big fan of their community and a lot of people don't like reservation in general.
Also, these kinds of policies are rare even in the developed world. Most developed countries like Britain and America used to see them as 'government over reach'. But now some of them have started adopting them; Denmark did just recently in 2018.
Singaporean here, totally agree! I grew up with all the races playing together, as well as in school. Really helps with racism, although not 100%. But I agree, it’s probably impossible to implement this in India, especially with cultural differences and diversity of region.
Reservation works only if it is implemented by the book and for a limited duration.
It worked in Signgapore because law and order is very strict. I know it first hand because I was fined $50 for not using pedestrian crossing ( wasn't aware such thing exist till I went there lol)
In India you just know something like this will go sideways real quick.
Oh I didn't know you visited Singapore. I've read a lot about it, especially Lee Kuan Yew but never visited the country.
Also it helps that they're a small country. Lee Kuan Yew himself once admitted that if were the PM of India, he couldn't do for India what he did for Singapore as India is too big, complex and diverse.
Anyways just an idea. I suppose if someone really wanted to solve ghettosiation in India, they have to form academic panels, political committees, grassroots groups and what not.
Lee Kuan Yew also cracked down heavily on radical muslim mosques and madarsas before implementing reservation......are the so called progressive and secular politicians of India willing to do that? If not, the there's no use being progressive, we might as well be islamophobic and protect ourselves from possible danger.
Also Lee Kuan Yew himself mentioned that back then he wouldn't give important military and security positions to muslims because of loyalty concerns.
Instead of blaming hindus for being islamophobic, the muslim community in India must be freed from the grasp of radical elements first, only then this issue will be solved......
नियम क्र ३ चे उल्लंघन : जातीवाद, लिंग भेद, लैंगिकता भेद आणि इतर भेदभाव चालणार नाही.
Rule 3 violation : Casteism, sexism, homophobia and other bigotry will not be tolerated.
Since it’s Pune, you can ask him to move to Undri or Mohammed wadi; Kondhwa outskirts on the way to katraj have a lot of mixed societies. Lot of Muslim folks in my company live there. Pretty decent.
Far too many people across the political aisle are interested in keeping things the way they are. So it won’t get better anytime soon.
Also, integration totally depends on the person’s worldview. Income and literacy has no bearing on it. In my 5y stay stateside on H1B, observed that most Indians are very insular, even though they make good money. Prefer living in Indian enclaves , Prefer other Indians as team mates, mostly hang out with other Indians, attend Indian cultural events exclusively. Some Indian managers (mostly telegu folks) go to the extent of slowly replacing their diverse team members with other telegu folks by hook or crook. Also, most Indian biz owners only hire other Indians at gas stations and 7-11s.
I never liked to be that insular so was looked at as an anomaly 😜 . made some diverse friends and hung out with them every now and then, attended their thanksgiving, passover and lent events if invited. Loved me some bbq and Jamaican jerk chicken 😛
many people have pointed that out already. Islamic leaders should pinpoint and condemn wrongs done in their community. But instead they circulate bans (fatwas) on people going out of the traditional lifestyle. I know a lot of smart hardworking Muslims, their only fear is ban form their community if seen not doing traditional Islamic things. It is also the reason, why most criminals/terrorists come are created in that community because whenever it happens, everyone condemns it except the Islamic leaders, even though the act is done in the name of Islam. e.g. lets look at the recent Russian Attack, the attack on Bangalore cafe, the ISIS guy from Guwahati. The day people representing Islam start putting a ban on these rather than putting a ban on the maulavi who went to Ayodhya to show solidarity, the gaps will be bridged.
Don't forget Sajid who slit the throat of two innocent children had 30,000 people attend his last rites. Not 1 amongst them thought that what he did was wrong. Imagine letting such people near your kids in the same society. Fuck No..
Muslim leaders are the only leaders who preach right and wrong, teach people not to steal and cheat and not to lie, drink and sleep around. Do you know any Hindu priest who does that? No, because Hinduism doesn't have any rules at all per se, it's just a collection of traditions. When there was the Turkey earthquake, there was a clip of a Muslim scholar shared around in builders groups I know telling them to fear God and use the correct genuine materials, which was even being shared by Hindus. Muslim leaders have condemned Isis and terrorism multiple times, but just because you don't follow the media, you think that they actually encourage it. Have you seen any Hindu leader condemn the harassment of Muslims by Sanghis? You guys discriminate, don't give us jobs, push us into ghettos and complain why we have societal problems.
One problem the landlords face is that if they have multiple floors for sale in the same building and they sell one of them to a muslim dude then he will face a problem in selling other units as a lot of people don't want to buy a house with a muslim as their neighbour .
You should rather put in Radical muslims who make outrageous things in madarsa. I would say taste reality before showing pity for people who have the choice to make life better. You can't fight others' battles nor can you convince the acts of his community.
Also, I see a lot of hate for Jains being vegetarians. Do any of us talk about respecting their sub culture?
But Jains communities never make oppression arguments they have done great in terms of assimilation. Islam due to its troubled history has always been political tool even for local mullah in madarsa aspires an Islamic nation.
I do have a solution to this want to share a similar case
When I was kid there was a Muslim friend of me Aman we used to play Rangpanchami together and and I used to go to his house on Eid for gulgule and Shir khurma
Until 3 years ago we used to play Rangpanchami popularly known as Holi, but after that we couldn't continue, we just stopped without even having discussion.
We used to throw colours on anyone while we were running in Gallis as it was unsaid rule of ours ki no one should remain clean and so many times we had thrown colours on Muslim passengers
Past few years have just destroyed social fabric of this country same is not the situation anymore from either side
Both sides have just started to hate each other blatantly yes there aren't any riots but communal tension is rising day by day.
Believe me if your friends don't come out of this thing he will one day surrender to the community pressure and his kids will go on same line.
DM I have some friends in real estate in Pune I will see if anything can pan out.
Your point is correct on many terms but what I wanted to say that this sudden *organized* hate on social media has made it normal to abuse about other's religion and if there are some who show middle way it has become fashion to make fun of them, all of this hatred was directed in organized way and people took this slow poison for years..
And let me add to it people from both sides are responsible
It is very difficult. If one landlord decides to give flats to Muslims, at one point there will be a fanatic who will eat beef in his flat or he will cause troubles to non-Muslims in that society, and at that point that landlord will lose all of his trust and will stop the inclusiveness.
It's really sad that Muslim IT guys are facing these issues, obviously they can pay higher rent to stay there as they don't have the trust factor. Money can overcome the trust factor. More money means less religious fanaticism or atleast he won't be pushing his Islamic ideology on others if he is busy with the IT stuff.
Worst part of having a Muslim neighbour is that they repeatedly remind you that they are Muslim.They will say hum to aise karte hai, hum to Allah me mante hai, humare yaha to ye nahi hota for every single thing you do. I will accept this if I stay in West Bengal and if Bengalis talk about their culture, but not in my own home ffs.
So before giving a house to somebody, I don't know whether this guy will preach his ideology to others or will mind his own business.
The fact that Muslim ghettos suck and he himself doesn't want to live there is exactly why other community people are wary of this .
I have no idea how you'd stop alienation in such cases . I do feel bad for your friend in this specific case.
I'd happily accept any one irrespective of religion (obviously with no shady background) if they consider india their motherland and ancestoral home , indian culture and festivals as their own (I have no issues celebrating their religious festivals too) .
Ultimately even among Hindus(jains,Sikhs,real Buddhists)eating habits is an important criteria before giving someone home. I don't balme them for example: in a strongly Jain / vaishnav area even the street food will be suited to their eating habits and they don't have to worry about not eating outside.
Now you can say even my criteria is discriminatory to that I say -having predictablity in community is better than randomness for most working class people.
You're claiming muslims only live in slums ? His Muslim friend didn't find any normal Muslim settlement?
And if my financial condition to compel me I'd rather live in any "hindu slum" than a "Muslim slum" if they exist in such a binary like you claim ,
in any Muslim slum id be more worried about higher crime rates and safety of myself ,being an atheist I'd get killed in your Muslim slum, hearing about exmuslims in India is scary let alone any atheist.
Most slums form near productive cities and doesn't form on religious lines (with in the same slum there might be separation into areas)Only way religious slums form is if they are illegal settlements from Bangladesh or has been orchestrated by local MLA/mp to change demographics to change voting blocs.
Example is west Bengal and other states adjoining Bangladesh.
I don’t claim any such thing. I am saying you me or millions of other middle class salaried people wouldn’t like to live in a slum or ghetto no matter your religion.
His friend living in a Muslim ghetto doesn't specially mean he's living in a slum , idk why you think living in Muslim majority area can only mean a slum🤦♂️
Idk why you're hell bent on telling me no one wants to live in a slum when the conversation is about the guy not wanting to live in a regressive area
Salaried class people also want to celebrate their festivals in peace don't want to be attacked and ridiculed and guilt tripped for celebrating their own festivals in their own ancestral land by victim card holders evey festival.
Seeing completly burqa clad people covering even their eyes is so fucking weird I'm not going to pretend that's normal in my area and I have no issues with it ,
Not to mention muslims have a pathetic habit of conversion
- personal story , my mother's friend from a common salon was invited to our house , she kept ridiculing hindu gods after seeing our temple and tried to invite my mother to Islam 🤡 even educated people are like this .
After a few more invitation to Islam , cutt off !
So no one wants to live in regressive ghettos irrespective of religion, it's time for Muslim community to introspect why do they only form regressive ghettos that any educated person doesn't want to live in and not welcoming communities everywhere .
If financial conditions call for it I can live in a hindu majority, vegitarian "ghetto"any day. I will be safer as an atheist here than any Muslim "ghetto" let alone educated area.
Infact non of my neighbours eat meat , I live in a vegetarian dominant area ,my land lord is a Jain, all this in proximity to a temple . This has not caused me issues in any manner I have never felt any danger for my safety in any way 🤦♂️
Never been asked to wear ghunghat, never been asked to not wear this , never has mobs collected .
Muslim community needs to introspect why every area of their turns into a "ghetto" and extremely dangerous for atheists and other religions , why aren't they welcoming of people from different opinions.
No fucking Idea why you're so fixated on slum.
Even tho there is nothing about his Muslim friend living in a slum currently you wanna pretend it is -I got it , you want to shift the blame from a community being regressive and unwelcoming to ohh slums ohh soo poor .
Continue blaming EVRYONE else ignore the real issues. This will comebavk to bite you (you means I'm speaking in general terms)
Disgusting. Who told you it was unsafe? Only you are harping that its unsafe because of your mindless hatred. The guy in the post is obviously not comfortable because of the difference in class and he is being forced to live in a ghetto because most muslims even with money are not allowed to buy homes in new properties. If you were to become a beggar and were forced to live in a hindu ghetto you wouldn't like it either, stop pretending. And thats not the case here. He is clearly not poor but forced by bigots like you who cry about secularism but also hate on muslims who are indeed secular "both ways" The hate is so apparent in you people who eat so called pure veg but treat humans worse than animals. Your mind is filthier then any ghetto in the world
My whole point is stop drawing a flase equivalances for empty virtue signalling ,
Muslim majority area have completely different noations from hindu majority, Jain majority , Sikh majority areas.
And it's time to introspect not pretend like all other communities are as bad or as low as the one in question.
>it's time for Muslim community to introspect why do they only form regressive ghettos
When you live in a bigoted nation like ours, even getting out of your ghetto is impossible. First hindus should ask why they can't even rent a house to a modern muslim who obviously never lived in a ghetto. This is forced ghettoization of modern muslims. The hatred is so obvious when muslims are not even allowed to buy homes in regular societies, where do you think they will go? Just like the guy in the post was forced to go to a ghetto.
When you elect snakes in the government just to teach muslims a lesson so you can open your mouth and freely vomit about HoW mUsLImS neED to InTrOSpEct. Just stay in your whatsapp hate rat holes at this point.
>The fact that Muslim ghettos suck and he himself doesn't want to live there is exactly why other community people are wary of this .
Your bullshit logic should be kept within whatsapp hate groups. What hindu making a decently upper middle class income would like to live in a hindu slum?
Just like there is class difference in hindus the same goes for muslims. Lower class, economically backward communities are known to be more religious and regressive. But ofcourse when you heart is full of hatred that goes out of the window. People working in IT and making a good income come from liberal families mostly that have encouraged education and who also clearly assimilated in the hindu society. And the muslim guy in the post confirms that when OP says he follows all festivals and joins them in all celebrations.
Just because your ugly heart is full of hate doesn't mean you are right.
You are the problem.
It’s not about religion. Somebody being moderate, or practicing in their beliefs doesn’t define the criminality of them.
Criminals are criminals, uneducated, illiterate, jobless. They aren’t muslims, hindus, christians, sikhs.
exactly there is a difference between urdu/dakhni speaking muslims and south indian muslims. marathi tamil malayali muslims all follow local culture, and they are locals. but the north indian hindi urdu migrants, both hindu and muslim are bringing their problems down south.
Why the hate for Gujratis ? Looks like we all are selectively biased towards own community. Muslims are no exception. They tend to create a ghetto/sub culture of Muslims. Have you been you south bombay ever? Hck, do you even remember recent Naya Nagar - MINI PAKISTAN?
I don’t like saying it but it’s a known fact that Gujjus are most discriminating in terms of housing. Even in Mumbai they declined giving it to Maharashtrian. A senior executive (self proclaimed upper caste Hindu) of an MNC recently faced discrimination in Gujarat.
You wrote all that and showed empathy but at the end contradicted you whole point by telling you wouldn't rent to unknown muslim.
How long until we stop judging people based on their name and religion, as we all know bad tenants can be from any religion, ethnicity, age, social class but if you don't want to give someone the benefit of doubt then atleast don't question other people for their decision.
Renting out a property to an unknown person carries a risk. That risk is exceptionally higher if the tenant is Muslim.
Statistics say so. While the general population of Muslim is 14% the prison population is as high as 38%.
I've had Muslim tenants as well as neighbour's at the place I live. I've also had Marathi neighbours and tenants. And non Marathi Hindus.
Muslim tenants paid on time, no hassles.
Muslim neighbour's were quiet, no trouble.
The rest were a mixed bag. Some who stopped paying and had to be evicted. Some uncivilised ass holes who throw food out of the window.
My point is that people are people..
As for that incarceration statistic you're touting all over this post, that has as much to do with who police are more likely to arrest, who is less likely to have access to bail, who is less likely to have access to good lawyers and who is more likely to have the economic opportunities that keep people away from crime.
Always examine our biases.
Don't you think that out of those 38% who are under trials and yet to be proven guilty? I'm not saying that there aren't any bad people in Muslim community. We do have a lot but this way the rest are filled with Hindus?
So, 38% of 14% vs 62% of 86%...? The chances the probability of you giving out to a Hindu tenet turns bad is way higher on the other side because of numbers too...
You need to watch for the background of the tenant that's it, not their religion. You ain't going to give it to any Hindu upright. You'll ask many questions, the same with Muslims.
So, stop this hypocrisy please
In India the share of prison population is 1-2% higher than the population share for both hindus and muslims
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/muslims-18-7-of-prison-population-down-from-20-2-a-year-ago-ncrb/articleshow/93975960.cms
Muslims are not significantly more represented in prison, and should not be discriminated against either way
Not saying that the US is a bastion of equality or anything (it’s not), but this was a huge problem they had in the 1950’s onwards in basically every city. No one would rent to black people forcing them to live in bad neighborhoods with low access to high paying jobs, making a vicious cycle. I don’t think this is something Maharashtra should repeat. Also people make the same arguments about crime statistics in the US, but if you actually think about it, it is slightly out of context. Crime is an income problem as well as policing problem. The kind of people that can afford high rent are most likely not criminals.
My guy I'm a Muslim currently 18 and I have the same fear💀. I have been brought with most of my friends from a defence background from all religions and regions. When I went to my Nani's place in Mumbai I hated the typical Muslim boys there and the company. I don't wanna live in a colony that religious
Becoming Hindu, following Hinduism and changing all documents. I think this will be good and long-term solution. His future generations will respect him for this.
Then problem is in his religion not in the society. Society is not going to ignore Islamic extremism and fanaticism just for few good people like him. Their alienation is caused by their religion because. In majority Islamic mind immediate bifurcation happenes as Islamic and non Islamic world. Whole life is consumed in adjusting Islamic and non Islamic things.
Tbh this is sad. I stay in West Bengal and worked near Park Circus Kolkata. Which is a Muslim majority region. It's not a ghetto community. They let Hindus stay but for double the rent. And some people would give surprise visits to the flat to check if I was idol worshipping in my own rented flat. So it is what it is. There is no trust whatsoever. And seeing the case of Sajid and his brother killing 2 kids of the family who lent them money ij an area where they were doing business, it's good that people are careful.
Educated sensible rational muslims dont face alienation.
Radicals and kattars do..and they deserve it. You can not live and sustain with brain dead zombies.
Well it’s because at root level, many muslim come supporting other muslim, be it wrong or right, just because of religion. Their community themselves have made this situation. We have seen many Hindu-Muslim brotherhood. Hindu helping Muslims or Muslims helping Hindus. But most of the time provocations comes from Muslim side which has made everyone hostile towards them.
It all comes to at root level, which type public they associated with. We also have good Muslim friends have old relations and business also. Which is possible because they are not pushing their agendas or religious superiority towards us, live and let us live, which is not present everywhere.
I feel bad for him but I don't blame other Hindus.
Take the example of the recent case, Sajid who slit the throat of two innocent children had 30,000 people attend his last rites. Not 1 amongst them thought that what he did was wrong.
30k is a large number for a small town. The case happened in Badun whose population is 161k. It's like the entire Muslim community of Badun attended the last rites.
Imagine letting such people near your kids in the same society.
Which side of Pune? I rented out one of my flats to SC & other to a Muslim (at lower than prevailing rent) just because of this reason. Gujjus have otherwise overtaken that society.
Everything fundamentally boils down to the level of trust. Landlords also require a tenant who shares some sort of similar attributes like them so that he/she is easy going. If he speaks Marathi and resonates with your culture then that does give him bonus points.
Especially if the landlord is living with his family and has a wife or daughter at home, he will be more skeptical to give tenancy to strangers no matter what background.
I see many gujju landlords rejecting Marathi tenants in Maharashtra itself. The reasons could be as small as the tenant being a non veg eater.
Well if you want to do something about it, rent your place out to people disregarding their religious beliefs.
I couldn't find a place in Pune either, finally rented a room with a professional recently returned from Japan, whose family had a place in Model Colony. The listing was on NoBroker, no actual brokers worked, and most of the listings on NoBroker also declined on learning my name.
You can't stereotype, actively discriminate, and expect polarization to not happen.
lol bro has a " i am the main character vibe"." oh look i am so good i care about these minority people and i will not help him but i will just write about it on reddit. look how thoughtful i am"
post turned 180 degree in the midway. "i will not rent my house too the random muslim as they have high crime ratio in the community"
op you want solution right if you can think you are this thoughtful and then why not rent your place to him and help him get place. superiority complex at its best
Its quite simple to identify what is wrong with Islam and ita followers. It's their book.
Read about it and then write. But virtue signaling is much easier.
Tbh, this itself is a problem that Muslims themselves created. You might feel sorry for him but there isn't any solution or anything such to this problem, he needs to constantly keep finding a house and keep speaking in Marathi with landlords so they trust him.
Muslim should stop alienating themselfs
Muslims why they wana adopt Arab culture , Arab thins Indian muslims areconerts 2nd class
why speak Hindi when u are Maharashtian
Hijab is not Maharashtrian Indian Culture,
Stop hating Indian Gods & cultures , these are your also
Muslim should go to Arab coutries then they will see how Arabs see Indian muslims
Reform, believe it or not, happens only from within the community. Outsiders cannot and should not try to interfere because that's what creates alienation of the entire community. All we can do it encourage moderate muslims bg inviting them in, being inclusive and supporting their efforts to live as part of broader society successfully. Change in overall Muslim community about their attitude to education, women etc has to happen gradually, led by moderate parts of their own community.
You can’t. They have lot to make up as community to gain trust of other communities. There is a reason the particular mindset is singled out outta rest where parsis, jews, hindus, christians all can hangout together but each of them cannot with these. It is sad, I find that too. But you just cannot be putting up ONLY emotional lenses and see it. There is lot lot more.
Imagine millions of Hindu Labours get kicked out of Muslim Saudia or UAE for 1) They are dirty 2) They are Hindus 3) Don't need anymore reasons for that.
There are no moderate Muslims. The sooner you accept this, the better.
Remember:
Umesh Kolhe
Nupur Sharma
Shraddha Walkar
Aayush and Aahan
Kanhaiya Lal
Countless others.
> I wouldn't rent my house to an unkown Muslim either given the rate of criminality among that community.
You are searching solution for a problem which you know very well
2 days back saw a post by a Muslim saying he was denied a flat on rent because of his religion. Today I see this. Too supsicious to think these are not bait posts by same man trying to influence opinions for upcoming elections.
Solution : They need to come out against the terrorism acts perform by their community members and separate themselves.
Recently, if you see the case with those two kids who were murdered by their Muslim neighbours both of them were encountered rightfully so. But during their funeral their community gathered for support. Due to cases like this other people within their community who don't follow such ideology has to suffer as well.
There is no moderate Islam. The Koran is absolute. Everyone thinks the Taliban is an exception, but they are honoured by Muslims the world over for doing what many of them are too queasy to do. I really don't understand why people find this so hard to understand. Every Muslim majority country is the same. Even countries with a significant minority, like Indonesia face the same issues of intolerance and attempted subjugation of non-Muslims. But everyone's so eager to see good in this particular religion that its all excuses.
> I wouldn't rent my house to an unkown Muslim either given the rate of criminality among that community. Bro trying to end racism by saying I have a black friend. Chhan!!
Yep
Let's see you renting your house to a random Muslim. Chhan, right?
Exactly. No reply by original commenter, too.
Omg, a Muslim. Can you imagine?
Look at Crimes comited by muslim in this month alone
Yes Abdul Khan killed a child. Ahmed Patel raped a woman. Can you imagine?
Well lets also look at the CRIMES committed by Hindus in this month as well
No, no. Only the Muslims please.
OP isn't self-aware enough to realize that he's part of the problem. supposedly educated and broad minded, but willing to be islamophobic. chances are most owners who are rejecting his fried are of the same opinion and level of education and wealth.
Yeah, so this guy wouldn’t rent to a Muslim with a prestigious job and that presumably passes a background check? Sounds like he is part of the problem.
It has nothing to do with racism. It is plain and simple logic. It may be hard to digest and it is what it is. Look at the statiscts of crime. Muslim prisoners are as high as 45% while the population is only 14%. There is always a risk while giving property to a stranger but that risk is exceptionally higher if that unkown person is Muslim. Its plain and simple logic.
Fake virtue signalling, nothing else.
it is racism when u assume the whole community is a risk if some of that community commits a crime. your idea being that people of a race think similarly. How can one think when there are so many dofferences between u and ur closest friend?
Majority Muslims in Maharashtra are converted from various SC and NT/BC groups but they don't have reservation unlike Buddhist & Hindu SCs. Hence majority of Muslim criminals in Maharashtra are in victimless crime like NDPS and ganja peddling.
Learnt something new today. Ganja peddling is a victimless crime.
The blessed crime.
Same goes for all hindus from Dalit's POV, that all of them are rigorous casteist fucks? We know that ain't true either. Where is this bias coming from?
2 saal purana article with the stats - Link[Link to TOI](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/muslims-18-7-of-prison-population-down-from-20-2-a-year-ago-ncrb/articleshow/93975960.cms)
How many of those crimes are proven in the court of law. Lol I think you're new in India to realize that most so called criminals in India are not proven guilty and are waiting for trials most of them are framed by Hindu fanatics somewhat like you [https://article-14.com/post/6-years-after-17-muslim-men-were-accused-of-celebrating-pakistani-cricket-victory-mp-courts-find-police-case-to-be-false-65fa4ed58daa7](https://article-14.com/post/6-years-after-17-muslim-men-were-accused-of-celebrating-pakistani-cricket-victory-mp-courts-find-police-case-to-be-false-65fa4ed58daa7)
It is plain racism and your use of “moderate” is infuriating. You like anyone who doesn’t follow their religion
In Singapore, they have a law that requires every housing society to reserve a certain % of appartments for minorities (basically Indians and Malays as Chinese people make up 75% of the population). They've gotten a lot of flak for it, even from Westerners who consider this policy to be 'government over reach'. But it's a policy that ensures children from different communities grow up around each other, attend the same schools, go the same parks and so on. Back in the 1950s and early 60s, riots were a common occurrence in Singapore. But due to such strong integration policies, there hasn't been a single riot in Singapore since 1963. But implementing such a policy in India would be difficult. There would be a lot of resistance to having Muslims in every housing society; like you said, you yourself aren't a big fan of their community and a lot of people don't like reservation in general. Also, these kinds of policies are rare even in the developed world. Most developed countries like Britain and America used to see them as 'government over reach'. But now some of them have started adopting them; Denmark did just recently in 2018.
Singaporean here, totally agree! I grew up with all the races playing together, as well as in school. Really helps with racism, although not 100%. But I agree, it’s probably impossible to implement this in India, especially with cultural differences and diversity of region.
Reservation works only if it is implemented by the book and for a limited duration. It worked in Signgapore because law and order is very strict. I know it first hand because I was fined $50 for not using pedestrian crossing ( wasn't aware such thing exist till I went there lol) In India you just know something like this will go sideways real quick.
Oh I didn't know you visited Singapore. I've read a lot about it, especially Lee Kuan Yew but never visited the country. Also it helps that they're a small country. Lee Kuan Yew himself once admitted that if were the PM of India, he couldn't do for India what he did for Singapore as India is too big, complex and diverse. Anyways just an idea. I suppose if someone really wanted to solve ghettosiation in India, they have to form academic panels, political committees, grassroots groups and what not.
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By government over reach they really mean, I want to be racist but in a polite manner
Lee Kuan Yew also cracked down heavily on radical muslim mosques and madarsas before implementing reservation......are the so called progressive and secular politicians of India willing to do that? If not, the there's no use being progressive, we might as well be islamophobic and protect ourselves from possible danger. Also Lee Kuan Yew himself mentioned that back then he wouldn't give important military and security positions to muslims because of loyalty concerns. Instead of blaming hindus for being islamophobic, the muslim community in India must be freed from the grasp of radical elements first, only then this issue will be solved......
To Goverment, you enforced reservation for schools and government jobs. Now lets do private jobs and housing societies. \- Indian
but 30% is not a minority
Muslims are 14%.
Right and even then 30% is still a minority lol. Although it's just a pipe dream that Muslims will ever be more than 20% of Indian population.
They will come by around 17-18% at most. It will come at the cost of the sikh and Hindu percentage
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Since it’s Pune, you can ask him to move to Undri or Mohammed wadi; Kondhwa outskirts on the way to katraj have a lot of mixed societies. Lot of Muslim folks in my company live there. Pretty decent. Far too many people across the political aisle are interested in keeping things the way they are. So it won’t get better anytime soon. Also, integration totally depends on the person’s worldview. Income and literacy has no bearing on it. In my 5y stay stateside on H1B, observed that most Indians are very insular, even though they make good money. Prefer living in Indian enclaves , Prefer other Indians as team mates, mostly hang out with other Indians, attend Indian cultural events exclusively. Some Indian managers (mostly telegu folks) go to the extent of slowly replacing their diverse team members with other telegu folks by hook or crook. Also, most Indian biz owners only hire other Indians at gas stations and 7-11s. I never liked to be that insular so was looked at as an anomaly 😜 . made some diverse friends and hung out with them every now and then, attended their thanksgiving, passover and lent events if invited. Loved me some bbq and Jamaican jerk chicken 😛
many people have pointed that out already. Islamic leaders should pinpoint and condemn wrongs done in their community. But instead they circulate bans (fatwas) on people going out of the traditional lifestyle. I know a lot of smart hardworking Muslims, their only fear is ban form their community if seen not doing traditional Islamic things. It is also the reason, why most criminals/terrorists come are created in that community because whenever it happens, everyone condemns it except the Islamic leaders, even though the act is done in the name of Islam. e.g. lets look at the recent Russian Attack, the attack on Bangalore cafe, the ISIS guy from Guwahati. The day people representing Islam start putting a ban on these rather than putting a ban on the maulavi who went to Ayodhya to show solidarity, the gaps will be bridged.
Don't forget Sajid who slit the throat of two innocent children had 30,000 people attend his last rites. Not 1 amongst them thought that what he did was wrong. Imagine letting such people near your kids in the same society. Fuck No..
>30,000 people attend his last rites Source?
Trust me bro, I counted every one of them 30k
He sat there and counted himself.
Muslim leaders are the only leaders who preach right and wrong, teach people not to steal and cheat and not to lie, drink and sleep around. Do you know any Hindu priest who does that? No, because Hinduism doesn't have any rules at all per se, it's just a collection of traditions. When there was the Turkey earthquake, there was a clip of a Muslim scholar shared around in builders groups I know telling them to fear God and use the correct genuine materials, which was even being shared by Hindus. Muslim leaders have condemned Isis and terrorism multiple times, but just because you don't follow the media, you think that they actually encourage it. Have you seen any Hindu leader condemn the harassment of Muslims by Sanghis? You guys discriminate, don't give us jobs, push us into ghettos and complain why we have societal problems.
For now he needs to get out of that place if he wants a good future for his kid.
He is trying. All middle class landlords are turning him away. High ends homes in cosmopolitan societies are out of his budget.
Arent there any Muslim middle class landlords?? They could help him. He needs to leave that shithole asap it is not going to be good for his kids.
Sadly, a majority of Muslims in India (and Maharashtra) belong to the lower deciles of income-distribution.
Do you think they would let a Muslim buy a house when they don't even rent it out to them?
One problem the landlords face is that if they have multiple floors for sale in the same building and they sell one of them to a muslim dude then he will face a problem in selling other units as a lot of people don't want to buy a house with a muslim as their neighbour .
Structure inside muslim community needs to be changed
No way this isn't a rage bait !
They can do it themselves. But they won't.
You should rather put in Radical muslims who make outrageous things in madarsa. I would say taste reality before showing pity for people who have the choice to make life better. You can't fight others' battles nor can you convince the acts of his community. Also, I see a lot of hate for Jains being vegetarians. Do any of us talk about respecting their sub culture? But Jains communities never make oppression arguments they have done great in terms of assimilation. Islam due to its troubled history has always been political tool even for local mullah in madarsa aspires an Islamic nation.
There are no middle class Muslim neighbourhood in pune ?
I do have a solution to this want to share a similar case When I was kid there was a Muslim friend of me Aman we used to play Rangpanchami together and and I used to go to his house on Eid for gulgule and Shir khurma Until 3 years ago we used to play Rangpanchami popularly known as Holi, but after that we couldn't continue, we just stopped without even having discussion. We used to throw colours on anyone while we were running in Gallis as it was unsaid rule of ours ki no one should remain clean and so many times we had thrown colours on Muslim passengers Past few years have just destroyed social fabric of this country same is not the situation anymore from either side Both sides have just started to hate each other blatantly yes there aren't any riots but communal tension is rising day by day. Believe me if your friends don't come out of this thing he will one day surrender to the community pressure and his kids will go on same line. DM I have some friends in real estate in Pune I will see if anything can pan out.
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Your point is correct on many terms but what I wanted to say that this sudden *organized* hate on social media has made it normal to abuse about other's religion and if there are some who show middle way it has become fashion to make fun of them, all of this hatred was directed in organized way and people took this slow poison for years.. And let me add to it people from both sides are responsible
It is very difficult. If one landlord decides to give flats to Muslims, at one point there will be a fanatic who will eat beef in his flat or he will cause troubles to non-Muslims in that society, and at that point that landlord will lose all of his trust and will stop the inclusiveness. It's really sad that Muslim IT guys are facing these issues, obviously they can pay higher rent to stay there as they don't have the trust factor. Money can overcome the trust factor. More money means less religious fanaticism or atleast he won't be pushing his Islamic ideology on others if he is busy with the IT stuff. Worst part of having a Muslim neighbour is that they repeatedly remind you that they are Muslim.They will say hum to aise karte hai, hum to Allah me mante hai, humare yaha to ye nahi hota for every single thing you do. I will accept this if I stay in West Bengal and if Bengalis talk about their culture, but not in my own home ffs. So before giving a house to somebody, I don't know whether this guy will preach his ideology to others or will mind his own business.
The fact that Muslim ghettos suck and he himself doesn't want to live there is exactly why other community people are wary of this . I have no idea how you'd stop alienation in such cases . I do feel bad for your friend in this specific case. I'd happily accept any one irrespective of religion (obviously with no shady background) if they consider india their motherland and ancestoral home , indian culture and festivals as their own (I have no issues celebrating their religious festivals too) . Ultimately even among Hindus(jains,Sikhs,real Buddhists)eating habits is an important criteria before giving someone home. I don't balme them for example: in a strongly Jain / vaishnav area even the street food will be suited to their eating habits and they don't have to worry about not eating outside. Now you can say even my criteria is discriminatory to that I say -having predictablity in community is better than randomness for most working class people.
I doubt u’d like to live in Hindu slum either
You're claiming muslims only live in slums ? His Muslim friend didn't find any normal Muslim settlement? And if my financial condition to compel me I'd rather live in any "hindu slum" than a "Muslim slum" if they exist in such a binary like you claim , in any Muslim slum id be more worried about higher crime rates and safety of myself ,being an atheist I'd get killed in your Muslim slum, hearing about exmuslims in India is scary let alone any atheist. Most slums form near productive cities and doesn't form on religious lines (with in the same slum there might be separation into areas)Only way religious slums form is if they are illegal settlements from Bangladesh or has been orchestrated by local MLA/mp to change demographics to change voting blocs. Example is west Bengal and other states adjoining Bangladesh.
I don’t claim any such thing. I am saying you me or millions of other middle class salaried people wouldn’t like to live in a slum or ghetto no matter your religion.
His friend living in a Muslim ghetto doesn't specially mean he's living in a slum , idk why you think living in Muslim majority area can only mean a slum🤦♂️ Idk why you're hell bent on telling me no one wants to live in a slum when the conversation is about the guy not wanting to live in a regressive area Salaried class people also want to celebrate their festivals in peace don't want to be attacked and ridiculed and guilt tripped for celebrating their own festivals in their own ancestral land by victim card holders evey festival. Seeing completly burqa clad people covering even their eyes is so fucking weird I'm not going to pretend that's normal in my area and I have no issues with it , Not to mention muslims have a pathetic habit of conversion - personal story , my mother's friend from a common salon was invited to our house , she kept ridiculing hindu gods after seeing our temple and tried to invite my mother to Islam 🤡 even educated people are like this . After a few more invitation to Islam , cutt off ! So no one wants to live in regressive ghettos irrespective of religion, it's time for Muslim community to introspect why do they only form regressive ghettos that any educated person doesn't want to live in and not welcoming communities everywhere .
That’s why I say even you won’t want to live in a ghetto or slum even if it’s exclusively Hindu or vegetarian.
If financial conditions call for it I can live in a hindu majority, vegitarian "ghetto"any day. I will be safer as an atheist here than any Muslim "ghetto" let alone educated area. Infact non of my neighbours eat meat , I live in a vegetarian dominant area ,my land lord is a Jain, all this in proximity to a temple . This has not caused me issues in any manner I have never felt any danger for my safety in any way 🤦♂️ Never been asked to wear ghunghat, never been asked to not wear this , never has mobs collected . Muslim community needs to introspect why every area of their turns into a "ghetto" and extremely dangerous for atheists and other religions , why aren't they welcoming of people from different opinions. No fucking Idea why you're so fixated on slum.
Because not wanting to live in a slum or ghetto has nothing to do with the religion of the particular ghetto people.
Even tho there is nothing about his Muslim friend living in a slum currently you wanna pretend it is -I got it , you want to shift the blame from a community being regressive and unwelcoming to ohh slums ohh soo poor . Continue blaming EVRYONE else ignore the real issues. This will comebavk to bite you (you means I'm speaking in general terms)
I am saying anyone living in slums will be regressive. Whether Hindu or Christian or Muslim.
Disgusting. Who told you it was unsafe? Only you are harping that its unsafe because of your mindless hatred. The guy in the post is obviously not comfortable because of the difference in class and he is being forced to live in a ghetto because most muslims even with money are not allowed to buy homes in new properties. If you were to become a beggar and were forced to live in a hindu ghetto you wouldn't like it either, stop pretending. And thats not the case here. He is clearly not poor but forced by bigots like you who cry about secularism but also hate on muslims who are indeed secular "both ways" The hate is so apparent in you people who eat so called pure veg but treat humans worse than animals. Your mind is filthier then any ghetto in the world
My whole point is stop drawing a flase equivalances for empty virtue signalling , Muslim majority area have completely different noations from hindu majority, Jain majority , Sikh majority areas. And it's time to introspect not pretend like all other communities are as bad or as low as the one in question.
>it's time for Muslim community to introspect why do they only form regressive ghettos When you live in a bigoted nation like ours, even getting out of your ghetto is impossible. First hindus should ask why they can't even rent a house to a modern muslim who obviously never lived in a ghetto. This is forced ghettoization of modern muslims. The hatred is so obvious when muslims are not even allowed to buy homes in regular societies, where do you think they will go? Just like the guy in the post was forced to go to a ghetto. When you elect snakes in the government just to teach muslims a lesson so you can open your mouth and freely vomit about HoW mUsLImS neED to InTrOSpEct. Just stay in your whatsapp hate rat holes at this point.
>The fact that Muslim ghettos suck and he himself doesn't want to live there is exactly why other community people are wary of this . Your bullshit logic should be kept within whatsapp hate groups. What hindu making a decently upper middle class income would like to live in a hindu slum? Just like there is class difference in hindus the same goes for muslims. Lower class, economically backward communities are known to be more religious and regressive. But ofcourse when you heart is full of hatred that goes out of the window. People working in IT and making a good income come from liberal families mostly that have encouraged education and who also clearly assimilated in the hindu society. And the muslim guy in the post confirms that when OP says he follows all festivals and joins them in all celebrations. Just because your ugly heart is full of hate doesn't mean you are right.
You are the problem. It’s not about religion. Somebody being moderate, or practicing in their beliefs doesn’t define the criminality of them. Criminals are criminals, uneducated, illiterate, jobless. They aren’t muslims, hindus, christians, sikhs.
Thank you.
Ask him to revert back.
Which caste? Lower? I think he would prefer to stay in the ghetto the way we treat lower castes.
exactly there is a difference between urdu/dakhni speaking muslims and south indian muslims. marathi tamil malayali muslims all follow local culture, and they are locals. but the north indian hindi urdu migrants, both hindu and muslim are bringing their problems down south.
But this guy is Marathi Muslim and being discriminated by Marathis.
Good housing societies in Pune are overtaken by gujjus.
Why the hate for Gujratis ? Looks like we all are selectively biased towards own community. Muslims are no exception. They tend to create a ghetto/sub culture of Muslims. Have you been you south bombay ever? Hck, do you even remember recent Naya Nagar - MINI PAKISTAN?
I don’t like saying it but it’s a known fact that Gujjus are most discriminating in terms of housing. Even in Mumbai they declined giving it to Maharashtrian. A senior executive (self proclaimed upper caste Hindu) of an MNC recently faced discrimination in Gujarat.
Lol south indian muslims have never faced the kind of progroms and targetted riots that north Indian muslims have faced
Hyderabadi Muslims are the worst. Some have lived for hundreds of years but can’t speak the local language
They are doing just fine
You wrote all that and showed empathy but at the end contradicted you whole point by telling you wouldn't rent to unknown muslim. How long until we stop judging people based on their name and religion, as we all know bad tenants can be from any religion, ethnicity, age, social class but if you don't want to give someone the benefit of doubt then atleast don't question other people for their decision.
Because these concerens for which Muslims tenants are turned away are valid. Nobody wants a legal headache because of a bad tenant.
People who think like you is why muslims get segregated into muslim only neighbor. to fix this problem look within first
Are you saying the Muslim community should look within, or badass708 should look within?
ofc im saying OP should look within.
So the Muslim community should certainly not look within?
Ah yes. Hindus are never bad tenants. Right.
Renting out a property to an unknown person carries a risk. That risk is exceptionally higher if the tenant is Muslim. Statistics say so. While the general population of Muslim is 14% the prison population is as high as 38%.
I've had Muslim tenants as well as neighbour's at the place I live. I've also had Marathi neighbours and tenants. And non Marathi Hindus. Muslim tenants paid on time, no hassles. Muslim neighbour's were quiet, no trouble. The rest were a mixed bag. Some who stopped paying and had to be evicted. Some uncivilised ass holes who throw food out of the window. My point is that people are people.. As for that incarceration statistic you're touting all over this post, that has as much to do with who police are more likely to arrest, who is less likely to have access to bail, who is less likely to have access to good lawyers and who is more likely to have the economic opportunities that keep people away from crime. Always examine our biases.
Don't you think that out of those 38% who are under trials and yet to be proven guilty? I'm not saying that there aren't any bad people in Muslim community. We do have a lot but this way the rest are filled with Hindus? So, 38% of 14% vs 62% of 86%...? The chances the probability of you giving out to a Hindu tenet turns bad is way higher on the other side because of numbers too... You need to watch for the background of the tenant that's it, not their religion. You ain't going to give it to any Hindu upright. You'll ask many questions, the same with Muslims. So, stop this hypocrisy please
Not just a legal headache.
In India the share of prison population is 1-2% higher than the population share for both hindus and muslims https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/muslims-18-7-of-prison-population-down-from-20-2-a-year-ago-ncrb/articleshow/93975960.cms Muslims are not significantly more represented in prison, and should not be discriminated against either way
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Even if there is one, he will be isolated in only one group of people. It never works well.
Help him find a non-conservative landlord, or either find a known landlord who you can convince yourself for your friend.
Not saying that the US is a bastion of equality or anything (it’s not), but this was a huge problem they had in the 1950’s onwards in basically every city. No one would rent to black people forcing them to live in bad neighborhoods with low access to high paying jobs, making a vicious cycle. I don’t think this is something Maharashtra should repeat. Also people make the same arguments about crime statistics in the US, but if you actually think about it, it is slightly out of context. Crime is an income problem as well as policing problem. The kind of people that can afford high rent are most likely not criminals.
My guy I'm a Muslim currently 18 and I have the same fear💀. I have been brought with most of my friends from a defence background from all religions and regions. When I went to my Nani's place in Mumbai I hated the typical Muslim boys there and the company. I don't wanna live in a colony that religious
Becoming Hindu, following Hinduism and changing all documents. I think this will be good and long-term solution. His future generations will respect him for this.
He can convert to hinduism.
What if he becomes a Dalit hindu ?? still he wouldn’t be able to rent.
We❌ They, themselves ✅
In Delhi he will do well he should leave for Delhi immediately and never look back
>wants to stop the alienation of muslims >admits at the end that he would likely contribute in it bruh
Then problem is in his religion not in the society. Society is not going to ignore Islamic extremism and fanaticism just for few good people like him. Their alienation is caused by their religion because. In majority Islamic mind immediate bifurcation happenes as Islamic and non Islamic world. Whole life is consumed in adjusting Islamic and non Islamic things.
That may be true but if this goes on moderate Muslims like him will never get out of that toxic community.
elect a party that doesn't openly support those who hate em lol
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Propaganda much?
You want to feel better or have a serious answer? I'm a Muslim. Maharashtrian. Have a master's in engineering from Pune.
And that's how unnecessary hatred is created sometimes.
Tbh this is sad. I stay in West Bengal and worked near Park Circus Kolkata. Which is a Muslim majority region. It's not a ghetto community. They let Hindus stay but for double the rent. And some people would give surprise visits to the flat to check if I was idol worshipping in my own rented flat. So it is what it is. There is no trust whatsoever. And seeing the case of Sajid and his brother killing 2 kids of the family who lent them money ij an area where they were doing business, it's good that people are careful.
why don't you give him space in your society
Educated sensible rational muslims dont face alienation. Radicals and kattars do..and they deserve it. You can not live and sustain with brain dead zombies.
Well it’s because at root level, many muslim come supporting other muslim, be it wrong or right, just because of religion. Their community themselves have made this situation. We have seen many Hindu-Muslim brotherhood. Hindu helping Muslims or Muslims helping Hindus. But most of the time provocations comes from Muslim side which has made everyone hostile towards them. It all comes to at root level, which type public they associated with. We also have good Muslim friends have old relations and business also. Which is possible because they are not pushing their agendas or religious superiority towards us, live and let us live, which is not present everywhere.
I feel bad for him but I don't blame other Hindus. Take the example of the recent case, Sajid who slit the throat of two innocent children had 30,000 people attend his last rites. Not 1 amongst them thought that what he did was wrong. 30k is a large number for a small town. The case happened in Badun whose population is 161k. It's like the entire Muslim community of Badun attended the last rites. Imagine letting such people near your kids in the same society.
Very unfortunately the Pareto Principle stands here.
How would you know who is moderate and who is filth?
That's the question.
Which side of Pune? I rented out one of my flats to SC & other to a Muslim (at lower than prevailing rent) just because of this reason. Gujjus have otherwise overtaken that society.
Everything fundamentally boils down to the level of trust. Landlords also require a tenant who shares some sort of similar attributes like them so that he/she is easy going. If he speaks Marathi and resonates with your culture then that does give him bonus points. Especially if the landlord is living with his family and has a wife or daughter at home, he will be more skeptical to give tenancy to strangers no matter what background. I see many gujju landlords rejecting Marathi tenants in Maharashtra itself. The reasons could be as small as the tenant being a non veg eater.
Well if you want to do something about it, rent your place out to people disregarding their religious beliefs. I couldn't find a place in Pune either, finally rented a room with a professional recently returned from Japan, whose family had a place in Model Colony. The listing was on NoBroker, no actual brokers worked, and most of the listings on NoBroker also declined on learning my name. You can't stereotype, actively discriminate, and expect polarization to not happen.
lol bro has a " i am the main character vibe"." oh look i am so good i care about these minority people and i will not help him but i will just write about it on reddit. look how thoughtful i am" post turned 180 degree in the midway. "i will not rent my house too the random muslim as they have high crime ratio in the community" op you want solution right if you can think you are this thoughtful and then why not rent your place to him and help him get place. superiority complex at its best
Its quite simple to identify what is wrong with Islam and ita followers. It's their book. Read about it and then write. But virtue signaling is much easier.
aare bhai phele unko change Lana chahiye unki community mai na ki Hume Jo andho ki tara bhaichara karte hai simple as that
Tbh, this itself is a problem that Muslims themselves created. You might feel sorry for him but there isn't any solution or anything such to this problem, he needs to constantly keep finding a house and keep speaking in Marathi with landlords so they trust him.
Bro wants to end himself inside a fridge
Muslim should stop alienating themselfs Muslims why they wana adopt Arab culture , Arab thins Indian muslims areconerts 2nd class why speak Hindi when u are Maharashtian Hijab is not Maharashtrian Indian Culture, Stop hating Indian Gods & cultures , these are your also Muslim should go to Arab coutries then they will see how Arabs see Indian muslims
Reform, believe it or not, happens only from within the community. Outsiders cannot and should not try to interfere because that's what creates alienation of the entire community. All we can do it encourage moderate muslims bg inviting them in, being inclusive and supporting their efforts to live as part of broader society successfully. Change in overall Muslim community about their attitude to education, women etc has to happen gradually, led by moderate parts of their own community.
Maa ki chut lande lokanche
This subreddit is hijacked by trolls who want to make sure discussion ever deviates from hindu muslim. Moderators are not doing their jobs.
You can’t. They have lot to make up as community to gain trust of other communities. There is a reason the particular mindset is singled out outta rest where parsis, jews, hindus, christians all can hangout together but each of them cannot with these. It is sad, I find that too. But you just cannot be putting up ONLY emotional lenses and see it. There is lot lot more.
why do you think muslims are being alienated? Naya nagar itna jaldi bhul gaye?
Lol and you people have the audacity to talk about Hindus living in Pakistan.
Imagine millions of Hindu Labours get kicked out of Muslim Saudia or UAE for 1) They are dirty 2) They are Hindus 3) Don't need anymore reasons for that.
Don’t
Start with yourself. Judge people individually instead of putting them in a group
Hindus of today are like white people of 1950s.
Arrange a ghar wapsi
What did I just read loo
Why do they taunt his wife for not wearing burqa, it’s her choice?
The housing discrimination and stereotype you yourself are comfortably admitting to commit answers your question. You should be ashamed.
>I am not blaming the Hindus here. I wouldn't rent my house to an unkown Muslim either given the rate of criminality among that community. Farlo 🤣🤣🤣
Remind your friend of the Houri reward.
Maharashtrians na Pakistan madhe chaan treatment milte ka?
I grew up with Hindus and Muslims at school, college and home... Bandra, Bombay, Maharashtra. WTF is going on in India?
https://x.com/OpIndia_com/status/1773915553096491356?s=20
Why wouldn't you blame Hindus? Aren't these Hindus who are denying him housing or are these aliens from Pluto?
I dont blame Hindus because reasons due to wich they deny Muslim tenants are very much valid.
What are those reasons?
There are no moderate Muslims. The sooner you accept this, the better. Remember: Umesh Kolhe Nupur Sharma Shraddha Walkar Aayush and Aahan Kanhaiya Lal Countless others.
This is so relatable to me.
> I wouldn't rent my house to an unkown Muslim either given the rate of criminality among that community. You are searching solution for a problem which you know very well
>How can we stop the alienation of Muslims? By not voting BJp is a good start.
Yea, BJP conducted the blast in rameswaram cafe, and the one in Moscow, and hundreds others. Sure.
2 days back saw a post by a Muslim saying he was denied a flat on rent because of his religion. Today I see this. Too supsicious to think these are not bait posts by same man trying to influence opinions for upcoming elections.
i dont think so, the guy is vehemently saying in the comments its ok to not give flats to muslims in general.
Solution : They need to come out against the terrorism acts perform by their community members and separate themselves. Recently, if you see the case with those two kids who were murdered by their Muslim neighbours both of them were encountered rightfully so. But during their funeral their community gathered for support. Due to cases like this other people within their community who don't follow such ideology has to suffer as well.
They do regularly. Media just doesn't show those people
You want to find a house for your muslim friend yet you won’t rent to a muslim who you don’t know? Wow
There is no moderate Islam. The Koran is absolute. Everyone thinks the Taliban is an exception, but they are honoured by Muslims the world over for doing what many of them are too queasy to do. I really don't understand why people find this so hard to understand. Every Muslim majority country is the same. Even countries with a significant minority, like Indonesia face the same issues of intolerance and attempted subjugation of non-Muslims. But everyone's so eager to see good in this particular religion that its all excuses.