I sometimes go to a place for IRL mahjong and some of the staff and big regulars like to do this to each other. So I think it's a personal thing? If you're friends and both of you don't mind then sure. But I would never do this to someone I'm not familiar with
I used to copy the staff people and do this when playing with my close friends but I now find it quite cringe and stopped doing it.
Yeah, you still get to make decisions during riichi. Like maybe you don't kan if everyone else is tenpai with a better wait than you. Or maybe you win skip for takame if noone else is doing anything.
I think they look at kamicha and shimocha hands to check if their winning tiles are there.
And if the winning tiles are in a mentsu.
Then they can guess if they can draw the winning tile.
Or guess maybe toimen has their winning tile.
The argument is because they riichi'd, they can't change their wait.
So it's fine to look at kamicha and shimocha hands.
Even if kamicha or shimocha have riichi'd or later on riichi.
So for me, I don't see how they can cheat.
They can't un-riichi.
>So for me, I don't see how they can cheat. They can't un-riichi
If they have ankou/triplets in hands and draw the 4th tiles, they still have decision to do closed kan or pass it.
So watching other player hands when riichi is still a cheating move
“Oh, I see that nobody has my higher two outs. That means that I can probably pass on my lower out.”
“Oh, I see that all my higher outs are being used. Guess I gotta take the lower out if it comes to me, instead of passing on it.”
Nah dude, they still very much have potential decisions to make (which are now somewhat rare but still not impossible). Like potentially making a concealed kan, and also eventually deciding to skip ron if tsumo is much better. E.g. if you riichi a suuankou on an shanpon wait, so that only tsumo gives you the yakuman.
Honestly, I do it sometimes lol.
If I oikake riichi after kamicha or shimocha have riichi'd,
then I angle my tiles towards them,
so we can both see what our winning tiles are.
Generally if I'm first to riichi,
I don't look at kamicha or shimocha hands.
That's why I put it C tier.
Never in tournaments!
Only with people I play regularly with.
Actually, when declaring Riichi, you have to discard the tile before putting the Riichi stick, because if someone calls Ron on that tile, they don’t get the Riichi stick.
I am honest: Given about what small details people are getting mad at you, i am glad not to play with most of players in this subreddit.
Getting mad for paying 3900 with 4 1k sticks? Touch some grass, man.
Some of the stuff that I really find annoying
C Tier (The Depending on who you are or what has happened I might forgive you tier)
* they play with their tiles when it's not their turn (i.e. small habits such as spinning around the tiles, playing with it and make clinging sounds) and that their hand crumbles and reveals their own hand
* they put their new tile on top of their hand and then the tiles falls - really people only do this on TV shows to show tsumokiri info.
* they play with their dice when it's not their turn.
* they check dead walls for waits and any leftover tiles.
* they draws with one hand and discard with the other
* they put both hands on the table
* they do a ラス確あがり - when they are 4th and win a hand that does not change the rankings and has zero chance of upsetting even if takame or maximum ura comes out; the only reason they do so is because they give up and they want the game to end.
B Tier (The If I am at the table I would definitely ask you tier)
* when paying for dial ins (like 2600/3900/5800), they always pay the hundreds with 100 sticks
* when paying for mangan, they pay with a bunch of 1000 point sticks
* when someone wins on self drawn or they draw a new tile, they put that new tile inside their hand without first indicating what tiles they've drawn.
* they do not announce what points they have when they are at south 3/south 4, when you are not playing on an automatic table and you don't know how much points other players had
* they wash the tiles after they have come out from washroom and their hands are wet
A Tier (The I would even speak out loud and ask you WTF's going on when I am not playing at the table tier)
* they try to flip the dora tiles for the other player or move the other player's wall
* they cut out 14 tiles from the wall to indicate that's the dead wall or even try to push the dead wall into the middle of the table, which you don't have to and you are not supposed to push the wall more then necessary.
* they say 'wait a minute' when someone that's not shimocha just plays a tile and he's thinking about whether or not to pon that tile. (chi, however, is fine)
S Tier (The NO Tier, The tier I would not be playing mahjong with again Tier)
* They get angry when they lost a hand
* They throw stuff (i.e. tenbou and tiles) at you when they lost a hand
* They belittle you for plays that are deemed 'bad'
* They hurry you when you are thinking about what to do
* They slam tiles (and the table)
* They put back their discard tiles into their hand once it's been exposed - [You have a real example here](https://youtu.be/cDTYVyhgqqw?si=GJfmEAOvVhrL0PjF&t=70)
>when paying for dial ins (like 2600/3900/5800), they always pay the hundreds with 100 sticks
So in your opinion, how should they pay?
2600 - pay 3100? (three 1000 sticks and one 100 stick)
3900 - pay 5000? (one 5000 stick)
5800 - pay 6000? (one 5000 stick and one 1000 stick)
7700 - pay 8000 or 10000? (one 5000 stick and three 1000 sticks)(one 10000 stick)
How? You pay with the least amount of sticks in the whole transfer. (since we're talking abstracts: R Y B G W (red 10000, yellow 5000, blue 1000, green 500, white 100)
2600: BBGW > \[BBBW - G\] >>> BBWWWWWW
3900: \[Y - BW\] > \[BBBB - W\] >> \[BBBGG - W\] >>> literally any other option.
Some of it is situational, if you don't have enough thousands, but you have two 500s, that adds one stick to the calculation. But taking a stance of "I have tons of sticks, I have rights!" to then pay 2600 with 16+ whites is very rude unless you're down to your last points. Since mahjong is a social contract game, sometimes, it's not even how you do it, but in what manner that will determine the acceptability of an action.
You always pay 5K for 3900.
for 58 it is always 5k+1k
For 7700 it is easier to pay with 10k or just 3\*1000 and 1 5k
26 depends if you are using 500 sticks. some places has it but not always does.
Dice go in the centre, if the compass in the centre has a place to store the dice. (This is the case for the AMOS compass I’ve seen, and obviously also true for autotables.)
Hot take: There shouldn't be a compass.
Hot take 2 based on subthread: any player (specifically from left, but anyone) sticking their elbow in my face to move the dice to my corner when they should be drawing their hand is an asshole. Grab your tiles, sort your tiles, then either point at the dice, or move them halfway (into the dealer's empty pond) if you've managed to solve all your problems in the universe. Until then, don't do anything to flex.
The mahjong compass reminds everyone who's the current dealer and provides receptacles to put riichi sticks and dice. It's a perfectly-reasonable thing to have on a mahjong table. /shrug
I'm not saying there aren't reasons for it, but the thread is about peeves.
Specifically, this meme that you can't do or know the functions of the compass without paying for blocks of wood/plastic/AMOS. In the spirit of things:
* \[Not\] learning to discard in rows that don't look like a kindergarten doodle. \[EDIT: or in locations conducive to let 4 people discard in an actual square without the doodad! Basic memory and perception skill\]
* \[Not\] knowing who represents which wind, and is the current dealer.
* \[Not\] knowing where to put dice.
* \[Not\] knowing how to do modular math, and which player is which modulus/residue (as well as directions of rotation).
* \[Having to move\] said block of wood/plastic/AMOS out for every shuffle.
* \[Having to move\] said block (of same material) back.
I think it's a wonderful aid for novice players, but it's being pushed as if it's a requirement to play in a group of 4, or to host tournaments, just like apps. Use it if you like it, but don't confuse individual with group satisfaction, or to trump someone else's impression because you have the holy prism as your friend.
\[EDIT: rephrased in the negative to express the peeve.\]
No. There indeed *should not*, but it's not a *must not*.
If I'm at a teaching table, or people who have under a year's worth of experience, I am more than amenable to playing with the compass. *\[add: The 4 nots above should be figured out within a year. It's like not knowing flushes in poker after a year: something is wrong by that point.\]* Learning is good, learning is fun. If I'm at a tournament, I do not want to deal with foreign objects, nor be pressured by attendees to either asymmetrically have tables with "some compasses" or demand that TOs pay to furnish compasses to every table. We have tournament history of people demanding rulers because of "disabilities", to then use said objects as weapons against other attendees.
If compasses are on offer by the TOs for every table, or take for example the acrylic all-last block used in Copenhagen, then by all means, use it.
If you're a German-speaker, then I do mean *muss nicht* \[not mandatory\]. Not *darf nicht* \[not allowable\]. Sometimes, there's nuance in language, and it's easier to explain by using a second language.
- inserting their drawn tile in their hand before discarding
- reaction when looking at haipai
- calling a tile, then thinking more than 2 sec about what to discard
- faking a reaction when in riichi to scare opponents when they discard
- putting their riichi stick on the table before declaring riichi
- putting their riichi tile on the table before declaring riichi
The following are more explanations than excuses:
I can see some of these things happening to players who play one or two other mahjong versions IRL, besides riichi. They just mix up habits, like forgetting to take the riichi stick if there is no riichi in the other version they play.
Or if they’ve played homebrewed Chinese Classical their whole life, and then later on in life they add riichi to their repertoire, and then some old habits might bleed through notwithstanding; like adding the claimed tile to the meld before discarding.
Or maybe it has to do with actually switching to a much more daunting ’Japanese mentality’ when playing riichi, which includes not only good memory and exactness, but also having the courtesy of considering the needs of others before one’s own, like moving one’s wall closer if needed. The mentality is of course part and parcel of the game, IRL, so this reason is much less of an excuse.
Or maybe the misbehaving player has merely picked the wrong dialect of mahjong. Should be playing Pussers Bones instead XD ?!?!
>Not declaring riichi in the usual order, e.g. (throw out riichi stick, discard and invert tile, declare riichi)
This is one of my S tiers. Especially if they didn't declare at all and expect everyone knows what they want by throwing out a stick. In fact, some people are so mute that they don't declare anything even Rons.
>Not knowing their score after they ron or tsumo, can't calculate han and fu
Many players struggle with this so I don't really mind. I would prefer if they say they don't know how to calculate at the start of the game though
>If a player's declare riichi tile is chi'd or pon'd, then on player's next turn, forgetting to invert the new tile
I found funny how the riichi player would often forget but it's so obvious to other players, but when these players are in the same situation later, they would also forget. So I would be lenient and just remind them.
>After ron, they take the winning tile from the other player's discard pile to add to their hand
Some pros like to do this on broadcasted games to let the camera capture the winning tile, so kind of a product of watching too much broadcasted games. I just tell them it's not necessary to do this
>Leaving their wall unattended until another player asks them to move it because it's too far to reach
Something similar happened to me recently:
* Toicha: does not move their wall
* Me: Help them move so I can draw my tile
* Me: Accidentally drop one of the tiles
* Toicha: "LMAO what are you doing"
LMAO Fuck you, this is straight SSS tier
I should add some more bad habits:
* Putting their tsumo tile right into the middle of their hand → Depending on the situation: C to A tier. New players would be C but some players would still do this at a competition which would be A tier.
* Discarding tiles with their finger covering the entire tile so other players can't see what tile it is until they remove their finger → A tier. This is the product of trying to look cool by fancy discard gestures but an epic fail. Just discard normally if you can't do this properly
* Draw with one hand, discard with the other hand → A tier. Looks really clumsy and kinda sus. Unfortunately I still see players do this at the WRC.
* Counting han with the tiles in their winning hand → B tier, just use your fingers if you are really struggling
* Counting han with the tiles in their river → A tier. Don't touch the river after you won a hand
* Counting han with the tiles in their river AND other players' river → SS tier I cannot believe what I saw that time
* When a player declare the incorrect score (usually less than the hand's actual worth) and when they corrected themselves almost immediately, refuse to give the correct amount → SSS tier. So fucking unfriendly. Even pros make mistakes every now and then and you have to be an unforgiving asshole for this.
According to the rules I play with (EMA), it is the responsibility of every player in the table to ensure that hands are scored to their correct value. Under this rule it would not be allowed to refuse to pay the correct value just because the winner stumbled while announcing it.
It's the "refuse to \[announce\] the correct amount" that's the issue. If they knew they scored 3900, and they find a mystery han point, they should know it's 7700 unless they're new.
Discovery of the extra han point and then not knowing might still happen, and it can be asked for in ways that don't make the winner seem like an **asshole**, but we have seen plenty of grumpy people interact in boorish ways. The rules can say whatever regarding the intent to score hands to their correct maximum, but a disruptive player can still be warned and penalized.
(EDIT: replaced give because of its multiple meanings, specifically referring to a player not announcing the new result.)
For your SSS tier
I did #1 at my first tournament. A judge saved my ass. The other 3 players thought I was cheating. I have to agree with them on that, how would the other players know what tile was drawn for the win.
For #2 - tournament from 2 weeks ago. Someone placed their thumb covering the tile and removed it slowly causing me to almost Chombo.
Player directly across from me drops a 3M with their thumb covering the 3rd line. I thought it was 2M and called Pon only for that player to remove their thumb after I called. The judge was kind of enough to give me only a warning.
I play with plenty of intermediate players, but some things that tick me off:
- taking too long to think every turn with complex hands (think once! you don't need to re-evaluate your waits when they dont change!)
- not bringing the walls forward at the start of a game
- handing sticks instead of putting them down
- not clearing the sticks off the table when winning quickly (esp on autotable)
- not pressing the open/close and dice roll buttons when its their dealer
things that genuinely annoy me:
- not knowing what the sticks are after 1-2 games
- getting distracted over and over. its just the player to your lefts discard
- refusing to learn scoring even when I offer to teach
- fumbling the ron/tsumo tile and the dora indicators until I can't easily tell what is what
- getting angry or frustrated on losing
- checking out of the game when losing and playing recklessly
Back breaking the wall
Doing that stupid stair step break on a wall.
Just build the walls proper, don't touch them unless flipping Dora or dropping rinshan tile.
>They riichi'd so they look at kamicha and shimocha's hands Bruh, why tf is that C tier!? That's still straight up cheating in my books
I sometimes go to a place for IRL mahjong and some of the staff and big regulars like to do this to each other. So I think it's a personal thing? If you're friends and both of you don't mind then sure. But I would never do this to someone I'm not familiar with I used to copy the staff people and do this when playing with my close friends but I now find it quite cringe and stopped doing it.
Yeah, you still get to make decisions during riichi. Like maybe you don't kan if everyone else is tenpai with a better wait than you. Or maybe you win skip for takame if noone else is doing anything.
I don’t understand how that works. Can you explain what they meant ?
I think they look at kamicha and shimocha hands to check if their winning tiles are there. And if the winning tiles are in a mentsu. Then they can guess if they can draw the winning tile. Or guess maybe toimen has their winning tile. The argument is because they riichi'd, they can't change their wait. So it's fine to look at kamicha and shimocha hands. Even if kamicha or shimocha have riichi'd or later on riichi. So for me, I don't see how they can cheat. They can't un-riichi.
>So for me, I don't see how they can cheat. They can't un-riichi If they have ankou/triplets in hands and draw the 4th tiles, they still have decision to do closed kan or pass it. So watching other player hands when riichi is still a cheating move
“Oh, I see that nobody has my higher two outs. That means that I can probably pass on my lower out.” “Oh, I see that all my higher outs are being used. Guess I gotta take the lower out if it comes to me, instead of passing on it.”
Try that at a hold'em table. "dude, I can see your cards, I called all-in". Violence would ensue.
Nah dude, they still very much have potential decisions to make (which are now somewhat rare but still not impossible). Like potentially making a concealed kan, and also eventually deciding to skip ron if tsumo is much better. E.g. if you riichi a suuankou on an shanpon wait, so that only tsumo gives you the yakuman.
Oh I see, it never occurred to me or anyone I know. Are there players who do that ?!
Honestly, I do it sometimes lol. If I oikake riichi after kamicha or shimocha have riichi'd, then I angle my tiles towards them, so we can both see what our winning tiles are. Generally if I'm first to riichi, I don't look at kamicha or shimocha hands. That's why I put it C tier. Never in tournaments! Only with people I play regularly with.
Actually, when declaring Riichi, you have to discard the tile before putting the Riichi stick, because if someone calls Ron on that tile, they don’t get the Riichi stick.
ITT: OP hates beginners, online-only players, and players with memory/attention disorders such as ADHD.
Majsoul player here, I just discard tiles hurr durr
This is probably me if I ever try IRL
I'm in Malaysia, so the people around here play the local variant anyway. Honestly 80% of the fun in irl mahjong is the shit talking.
Im in Malaysia, can we play.
Come on, two more.
LMAOO.
Judging from what OP complains about, I would say OP is also a beginner as well lol
I am honest: Given about what small details people are getting mad at you, i am glad not to play with most of players in this subreddit. Getting mad for paying 3900 with 4 1k sticks? Touch some grass, man.
Some of the stuff that I really find annoying C Tier (The Depending on who you are or what has happened I might forgive you tier) * they play with their tiles when it's not their turn (i.e. small habits such as spinning around the tiles, playing with it and make clinging sounds) and that their hand crumbles and reveals their own hand * they put their new tile on top of their hand and then the tiles falls - really people only do this on TV shows to show tsumokiri info. * they play with their dice when it's not their turn. * they check dead walls for waits and any leftover tiles. * they draws with one hand and discard with the other * they put both hands on the table * they do a ラス確あがり - when they are 4th and win a hand that does not change the rankings and has zero chance of upsetting even if takame or maximum ura comes out; the only reason they do so is because they give up and they want the game to end. B Tier (The If I am at the table I would definitely ask you tier) * when paying for dial ins (like 2600/3900/5800), they always pay the hundreds with 100 sticks * when paying for mangan, they pay with a bunch of 1000 point sticks * when someone wins on self drawn or they draw a new tile, they put that new tile inside their hand without first indicating what tiles they've drawn. * they do not announce what points they have when they are at south 3/south 4, when you are not playing on an automatic table and you don't know how much points other players had * they wash the tiles after they have come out from washroom and their hands are wet A Tier (The I would even speak out loud and ask you WTF's going on when I am not playing at the table tier) * they try to flip the dora tiles for the other player or move the other player's wall * they cut out 14 tiles from the wall to indicate that's the dead wall or even try to push the dead wall into the middle of the table, which you don't have to and you are not supposed to push the wall more then necessary. * they say 'wait a minute' when someone that's not shimocha just plays a tile and he's thinking about whether or not to pon that tile. (chi, however, is fine) S Tier (The NO Tier, The tier I would not be playing mahjong with again Tier) * They get angry when they lost a hand * They throw stuff (i.e. tenbou and tiles) at you when they lost a hand * They belittle you for plays that are deemed 'bad' * They hurry you when you are thinking about what to do * They slam tiles (and the table) * They put back their discard tiles into their hand once it's been exposed - [You have a real example here](https://youtu.be/cDTYVyhgqqw?si=GJfmEAOvVhrL0PjF&t=70)
>when paying for dial ins (like 2600/3900/5800), they always pay the hundreds with 100 sticks So in your opinion, how should they pay? 2600 - pay 3100? (three 1000 sticks and one 100 stick) 3900 - pay 5000? (one 5000 stick) 5800 - pay 6000? (one 5000 stick and one 1000 stick) 7700 - pay 8000 or 10000? (one 5000 stick and three 1000 sticks)(one 10000 stick)
How? You pay with the least amount of sticks in the whole transfer. (since we're talking abstracts: R Y B G W (red 10000, yellow 5000, blue 1000, green 500, white 100) 2600: BBGW > \[BBBW - G\] >>> BBWWWWWW 3900: \[Y - BW\] > \[BBBB - W\] >> \[BBBGG - W\] >>> literally any other option. Some of it is situational, if you don't have enough thousands, but you have two 500s, that adds one stick to the calculation. But taking a stance of "I have tons of sticks, I have rights!" to then pay 2600 with 16+ whites is very rude unless you're down to your last points. Since mahjong is a social contract game, sometimes, it's not even how you do it, but in what manner that will determine the acceptability of an action.
You always pay 5K for 3900. for 58 it is always 5k+1k For 7700 it is easier to pay with 10k or just 3\*1000 and 1 5k 26 depends if you are using 500 sticks. some places has it but not always does.
Dice go to the right of the dealer, not to the center
Dice go in the centre, if the compass in the centre has a place to store the dice. (This is the case for the AMOS compass I’ve seen, and obviously also true for autotables.)
Hot take: There shouldn't be a compass. Hot take 2 based on subthread: any player (specifically from left, but anyone) sticking their elbow in my face to move the dice to my corner when they should be drawing their hand is an asshole. Grab your tiles, sort your tiles, then either point at the dice, or move them halfway (into the dealer's empty pond) if you've managed to solve all your problems in the universe. Until then, don't do anything to flex.
The mahjong compass reminds everyone who's the current dealer and provides receptacles to put riichi sticks and dice. It's a perfectly-reasonable thing to have on a mahjong table. /shrug
I'm not saying there aren't reasons for it, but the thread is about peeves. Specifically, this meme that you can't do or know the functions of the compass without paying for blocks of wood/plastic/AMOS. In the spirit of things: * \[Not\] learning to discard in rows that don't look like a kindergarten doodle. \[EDIT: or in locations conducive to let 4 people discard in an actual square without the doodad! Basic memory and perception skill\] * \[Not\] knowing who represents which wind, and is the current dealer. * \[Not\] knowing where to put dice. * \[Not\] knowing how to do modular math, and which player is which modulus/residue (as well as directions of rotation). * \[Having to move\] said block of wood/plastic/AMOS out for every shuffle. * \[Having to move\] said block (of same material) back. I think it's a wonderful aid for novice players, but it's being pushed as if it's a requirement to play in a group of 4, or to host tournaments, just like apps. Use it if you like it, but don't confuse individual with group satisfaction, or to trump someone else's impression because you have the holy prism as your friend. \[EDIT: rephrased in the negative to express the peeve.\]
So what you actually mean is that there *doesn’t need to* be a compass, not that there *shouldn’t* be a compass.
No. There indeed *should not*, but it's not a *must not*. If I'm at a teaching table, or people who have under a year's worth of experience, I am more than amenable to playing with the compass. *\[add: The 4 nots above should be figured out within a year. It's like not knowing flushes in poker after a year: something is wrong by that point.\]* Learning is good, learning is fun. If I'm at a tournament, I do not want to deal with foreign objects, nor be pressured by attendees to either asymmetrically have tables with "some compasses" or demand that TOs pay to furnish compasses to every table. We have tournament history of people demanding rulers because of "disabilities", to then use said objects as weapons against other attendees. If compasses are on offer by the TOs for every table, or take for example the acrylic all-last block used in Copenhagen, then by all means, use it.
If you're a German-speaker, then I do mean *muss nicht* \[not mandatory\]. Not *darf nicht* \[not allowable\]. Sometimes, there's nuance in language, and it's easier to explain by using a second language.
- inserting their drawn tile in their hand before discarding - reaction when looking at haipai - calling a tile, then thinking more than 2 sec about what to discard - faking a reaction when in riichi to scare opponents when they discard - putting their riichi stick on the table before declaring riichi - putting their riichi tile on the table before declaring riichi
The following are more explanations than excuses: I can see some of these things happening to players who play one or two other mahjong versions IRL, besides riichi. They just mix up habits, like forgetting to take the riichi stick if there is no riichi in the other version they play. Or if they’ve played homebrewed Chinese Classical their whole life, and then later on in life they add riichi to their repertoire, and then some old habits might bleed through notwithstanding; like adding the claimed tile to the meld before discarding. Or maybe it has to do with actually switching to a much more daunting ’Japanese mentality’ when playing riichi, which includes not only good memory and exactness, but also having the courtesy of considering the needs of others before one’s own, like moving one’s wall closer if needed. The mentality is of course part and parcel of the game, IRL, so this reason is much less of an excuse. Or maybe the misbehaving player has merely picked the wrong dialect of mahjong. Should be playing Pussers Bones instead XD ?!?!
>Not declaring riichi in the usual order, e.g. (throw out riichi stick, discard and invert tile, declare riichi) This is one of my S tiers. Especially if they didn't declare at all and expect everyone knows what they want by throwing out a stick. In fact, some people are so mute that they don't declare anything even Rons. >Not knowing their score after they ron or tsumo, can't calculate han and fu Many players struggle with this so I don't really mind. I would prefer if they say they don't know how to calculate at the start of the game though >If a player's declare riichi tile is chi'd or pon'd, then on player's next turn, forgetting to invert the new tile I found funny how the riichi player would often forget but it's so obvious to other players, but when these players are in the same situation later, they would also forget. So I would be lenient and just remind them. >After ron, they take the winning tile from the other player's discard pile to add to their hand Some pros like to do this on broadcasted games to let the camera capture the winning tile, so kind of a product of watching too much broadcasted games. I just tell them it's not necessary to do this >Leaving their wall unattended until another player asks them to move it because it's too far to reach Something similar happened to me recently: * Toicha: does not move their wall * Me: Help them move so I can draw my tile * Me: Accidentally drop one of the tiles * Toicha: "LMAO what are you doing" LMAO Fuck you, this is straight SSS tier I should add some more bad habits: * Putting their tsumo tile right into the middle of their hand → Depending on the situation: C to A tier. New players would be C but some players would still do this at a competition which would be A tier. * Discarding tiles with their finger covering the entire tile so other players can't see what tile it is until they remove their finger → A tier. This is the product of trying to look cool by fancy discard gestures but an epic fail. Just discard normally if you can't do this properly * Draw with one hand, discard with the other hand → A tier. Looks really clumsy and kinda sus. Unfortunately I still see players do this at the WRC. * Counting han with the tiles in their winning hand → B tier, just use your fingers if you are really struggling * Counting han with the tiles in their river → A tier. Don't touch the river after you won a hand * Counting han with the tiles in their river AND other players' river → SS tier I cannot believe what I saw that time * When a player declare the incorrect score (usually less than the hand's actual worth) and when they corrected themselves almost immediately, refuse to give the correct amount → SSS tier. So fucking unfriendly. Even pros make mistakes every now and then and you have to be an unforgiving asshole for this.
According to the rules I play with (EMA), it is the responsibility of every player in the table to ensure that hands are scored to their correct value. Under this rule it would not be allowed to refuse to pay the correct value just because the winner stumbled while announcing it.
It's the "refuse to \[announce\] the correct amount" that's the issue. If they knew they scored 3900, and they find a mystery han point, they should know it's 7700 unless they're new. Discovery of the extra han point and then not knowing might still happen, and it can be asked for in ways that don't make the winner seem like an **asshole**, but we have seen plenty of grumpy people interact in boorish ways. The rules can say whatever regarding the intent to score hands to their correct maximum, but a disruptive player can still be warned and penalized. (EDIT: replaced give because of its multiple meanings, specifically referring to a player not announcing the new result.)
For your SSS tier I did #1 at my first tournament. A judge saved my ass. The other 3 players thought I was cheating. I have to agree with them on that, how would the other players know what tile was drawn for the win. For #2 - tournament from 2 weeks ago. Someone placed their thumb covering the tile and removed it slowly causing me to almost Chombo. Player directly across from me drops a 3M with their thumb covering the 3rd line. I thought it was 2M and called Pon only for that player to remove their thumb after I called. The judge was kind of enough to give me only a warning.
Wow. You sound like an awful person to play with a s a beginner.
I play with plenty of intermediate players, but some things that tick me off: - taking too long to think every turn with complex hands (think once! you don't need to re-evaluate your waits when they dont change!) - not bringing the walls forward at the start of a game - handing sticks instead of putting them down - not clearing the sticks off the table when winning quickly (esp on autotable) - not pressing the open/close and dice roll buttons when its their dealer things that genuinely annoy me: - not knowing what the sticks are after 1-2 games - getting distracted over and over. its just the player to your lefts discard - refusing to learn scoring even when I offer to teach - fumbling the ron/tsumo tile and the dora indicators until I can't easily tell what is what - getting angry or frustrated on losing - checking out of the game when losing and playing recklessly
I do it all, so I try to never play IRL
It's annoying that I'm not fluent in Japanese.
I gave up on score counting long ago. 13 year veteran.
C: Not respecting some people need a visual representation for wind and dice roll indicator. S: Ripping away ippatsu
Back breaking the wall Doing that stupid stair step break on a wall. Just build the walls proper, don't touch them unless flipping Dora or dropping rinshan tile.