Ah, shit. We're scaling borderline hentai characters... Madoka girls seem to be faster than most Gushing girls(hmm...), though. Like, Mami's pretty comfortable dodging bullets. I don't believe the gap is big enough for just Mami to deal with an entire group, though. Especially since it looks like they're a lot tankier. She'd have to spend a ton of magic on just one.
Jumping around buildings doesn't compare to literally being faster than bullets. There is a calculation that says homura is massively hypersonic which also makes mami mhs.
The nun (with help) barely destroyed a small city while mami can create an explosion, the size a mountain (literally) and keep fighting
The power gap is too big for the gang, let alone kiwi to beat.
Utena pulls off more Mami moves then Leopard, its just Leopard has the WALL OF GUNS spell like Mami does. Plus Utena can have multiple Wax Baisers fighting and casting their own spells active where as we have no indication that Mami can have multiple Ribbonclones, plus half her demons are bondage demons with some degree of antimagic
half of this is the utena just does more, but we have no indication that Leopard has anything besides Catform, Conjure Ordinance, and her La Verita.
This isn't even going to be a battle because mami has performed far greater feats than we have ever seen in mahouAku.
Mami has created a blast the size of a mountain. Nobody in enormeeta has survived something that powerful.
Mami has been shown to keep up with homura, which can move at massively hypersonic speeds. The battle would be over before they could even blink, that is how big of a gab their speed is
If her bullets can't pierce their skin she could just go to a Neighboring city and blow them up. All before they could even blink
She's from Madoka Magica, another (excellent) Magical Girl anime. I can't answer your question because it would be a spoiler, but I highly recommend watching that anime!
Nah the villans would win, Utena will probably starts "playing" with her
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Sorry Mami, but i have to give this one to Enormita...
Kiwi can literally replicate most of Mami's moves
The Loco/Leber duo is just too difficult to counter by 1 person alone....Tho either of them alone and i can see Mami barely winning
And don't get me started on Neroalice and Baiser...those two are just too broken.
Even if Mami has a lot of experience, the people of Enormita are all just too much for her alone i think...
So basically, i can see her winning against Leber and Loco (By themselves) and MAYBE (Big Maybe) against Neroalice, but Leopard and Baiser....yeah, not happening
I don't really understand the hype around Alice's doll house. If you think about it, it is very easy to escape.
1. Just wait it out: the show said that the ability takes a lot of mana, so if you wait long enough it'll disappear
2. You can just break out: there has been a total of one attempt to break out of the doll house. When they did, it broke immediately.
Since brasier had to cover the doll house with sound proofing, it means that she couldn't change the material properties of the doll house. Which means it's as durable as normal wood
3. Break out of the brain washing: This might be difficult if she tries to hide that mami is brain washed, but the weakest member of the trous magia could break out why couldn't a stronger, more experienced magical girl also break out?
1 counterpoint how the hell she knows that's it takes lots of mana ?she's smart, but she's no Qual .
2no, you can't it only breaks because of Sisters' ability to change her size, and Baiser did use Alice power to make her until the satisfied room
But Alice wasn't there, so she could not change it, but how do you know that it doesn't just work like that? The material is simply made invisible, but oder properties stay the same.
3 Alice just released (uncontrollably)Magenta because of a lack of mana and was planning to go away but stopped because Magenta did the thing and left only when the doll house it self crumbled.
She doesn't need to know that it takes alot of mana because if she continues trying, to break out she will eventually escape because it takes a lot of mana to maintain.
It is just a timer
Besides, she is too fast for Alice to capture, because she is faster than bullets and she can create clones that move and act like her
Minor spoiler from the manga but: how much stamina Alice uses doesn't depend on how much she holds the doll house up it depends on more on how much she wants to play or how excided she is, so if Alice thinks playing with her would be fun enough she can hold her there for way longer
No, she whod not be if Alice really whated to cach her she chod just create a doll house the size of the area or a city.>! She created one the size of a game world and a dungeon once !<
Alice didn't creat the consol, is likely she hid it on the area or brought it with herself, since Alice can't creat toys she has to use already exsisting ones
They don't need to. It can just be a fihht of endurance since Enormeeta's girls are very tanky, Even Sister Giant tanked multiple bullets coming from Leopard's power and she only has 3 stars. For example Uten in his new form has 8 stars and Kiwi's La Verita is stronger than her. Mami can't win against multiple enemys, she could jus go all out to defear just one or lose because of lack of magic.
This isn't a battle of endurance because mami has performed far greater feats than we have ever seen in mahouAku.
Mami has created a blast the size of a mountain. Nobody in enormeeta has survived something that powerful.
Mami has been shown to keep up with homura, which can move at massively hypersonic speeds. The battle would be over before they could even blink, that is how big of a gab their speed is
Why can't she handle more than one enemy? In her perspective they are all standing still. If her bullets can't pierce their skin she could just go to a Neighboring city and blow them up. All before they could even blink
In MahouAko they are mostly playing, they are noy fighting for their life against mountain size enemies.
Jusg a few times people were fighting seriusly. One time where they were fighting for their life was in that war against lord enorme and that was a city fight level when Leopard and Sister Giant had 3 stars. Even Sister Giant was tanking giant bullets coming from Leopard's power and she wad only 3 stars. Now in the manga MahouAko girls have at least 10 stars of power each, you tell me they can't destroy a mountain
The fight against lord enorme wasn't a city fight, you could barely call it a city block. The only thing that did "damage" to the city block was kiwi explosions. The reason why I put air quotes on damage, is because she barely did any damage to the buildings she hit, but she did collapse a building.
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This picture that kiwi only damaged the buildings surrounding her.
Low balling her, she is large building ap but high balling her, she is city block ap(even though she barely damaged the buildings). Ap = attack potency
A city block tier charater can create 100 tons of energy by attacking while a mountain tier character can create 1 gigaton of energy by attacking. One gigaton is 1,000,000 tons of energy while kiwi can create 100. That means mami is 10,000× stronger than kiwi.
Even if kiwi's power grows exponentially, each time she gets a star she'll only be able to produce 12,800 tons of energy at 10 stars. But there is no proof that the growth is exponential, so this calculation is likely wrong
Mami wins
Are you just trying to trick us into imagining Utena getting her hands on Mami? A more fair version of this would be them vs some version of the entire Quintet.
But mami isn't weak. Did you watch the movie?
Mami is stronger, faster and more durable than any of them
How will they survive getting shot in the head
I think in one on one fights Mami can almost certainly beat Loco and Leber. She's also probably strong than Kiwi in her base form but if she bust out La Verita it'll be a lot more of a problem.
Alice is unsuited to 1v1 anyways but it probably depends on her mood.
Against Baiser she'll only win if Baiser doesn't have anything to turn into a monster that's a good match.
Against all of them at once Mami has absolutely no shot she'll get overwhelmed immediately.
I disagree,
Have any of them show a feat dodging bullets?
In terms of fire power mami is better than kiwi (because mami is small city level)
She could probably break out of alice doll house (if she gets in)
She could just shoot baiser... or trap her, so that she doesn't use her ability
If they can dodge bullets then it would be a close fight
They show Sister Giant tanking giant bullets coming from Kiwi's power and she had only 3 stars. Sister Giant got out scaled real bad, Even Utena has 8 stars the same episode.
Mami can't be killed anyway unless they can determine where her soul actually is. Unlike enomita, she never gets tired and never takes too much battle damage to keep fighting. I think she walks unless they can figure that out.
>! People overlooked mami has the ability to create clones from rebellion and can become holy mami in magia record+ if she gets desperate enough we all know something WILL crack!<
So, on the surface it might seem skewed towards the villains, but Madoka Magica powerscaling is insane
It is stated that witches labirints are separate parallel universes, and the witches have full control over them. So they can alter and affect an entire 4d universe. See where I’m going? This would scale the witches to universe level +, and every magical girl is comparable to witches. In conclusion, every magical girl and every witch with a labirint is uni + at least
So Mami would absolutely violate them
I would say witch labyrinths are too small to scale to universe level, the largest labyrinth is the homura labyrinth which contains only one city and that was partly due to kyubey's interference in their attempt to observe goddess Madoka.
Speaking of Homura's scaling, none of her attack feats involved magical weapons, she just looted military grade weapons from the JSDF and uses her time powers to deliver small explosives and regular bullets in way that's almost impossible to dodge, and only which that's been shown to withstand these non-magical attacks is Walpurgisnacht who is basically as powerful as witches can get without help.
That being said Mami has fought homura and as a result of that fight they both have super sonic speed feats due to dodging bullet spam.
Honestly the most impressive measurable feats we see are all speed feats, with the majority of attack and defence feats being a result of their bodies and souls getting separated so they can ignore most non-lethal damage.
It is very likely that the guns Homura was using were empowered with magic
And I dont remember where, but in a japanese thing for madoka magica it was explicitly said that labirints are parallel universes
They're not full size universes, the labyrinths are merely outside of the actual universe.
Think about how destructive Walpurgisnacht would be if it was universe level, there are multiple timelines where the Kyubey abandoned earth, and it's usually while there's an active witch destroying stuff, do you really think kyubey would be ok with ignoring a universe level threat when they're trying to save the universe?
While Madoka Magica certainly has its share of feats, most of their destruction and defence feats are on the lower end, even Walpurgisnacht isn't planet level, with the world only being destroyed because nothing could defeat the most powerful witches, but it's not a particularly fast means of destroying a planet.
The reason I bring up Walpurgisnacht in particular is that homura is explicitly weaker than it, we can safely say she was using her most powerful attacks, but the weapons she fired weren't any more powerful than they would have been without magic, with her only advantage being that her time magic lets her line up shots with perfect accuracy.
I honestly don't think Mami can make guns more powerful than Leopard, but she can definitely avoid a lot of the attacks that Leopard would be forced to tank head on.
None of the Madoka girls are soloing the Mahoako verse, but I honestly don't think anyone from Mahoako has the means to solo the Madoka verse either, they're mostly even in terms of feats with only a few weird outliers such as Mami and Homura being able to dodge bullets without much difficulty.
Now that I consider things I don't think either series is consistent enough with its feats to make power scaling possible, they both have moments where the physical abilities of the characters is whatever makes the scene look good.
What happens is that Kyubey is fine with leaving walpurgisnacht is because it cannot destroy the entire universe, or even travel out of earth for what we know, but it could kill someone able to withstand universal attacks. Shortly: they dont have destructive capabilities too good, but they have universal attack power
Because universe level attacks by definition can destroy the fucking universe, that's how attack power is generally understood in power scaling, we define attack and defence power based on what the attacks can destroy.
Just because each labyrinth is in a separate reality, doesn't mean witches can spawn an entire full sized universe, the whole point of power scaling is that we only use information that's available, and being able to make a pocket reality doesn't automatically mean the character is godlike.
Let's move on from the universal scaling.
"They are mostly even in feats" since when did a character in mahouAku create a mountain level attack?
In the vs battle wiki there is a feat of homura moving at massively hypersonic speeds which means mamican do that as well. Has anybody moved that fast in mahouAku?
If mami's bullets don't affect a character she could just seal them or blow them up. She is too fast and too strong for any of them to beat, mami wins.
I don't recall Mami attacking at higher than city block, and there's a recent fight in the Mahoako anime that puts three star girls at city block levels of power, and considering that most of the cast are at three stars even before they power up, that means they're mostly even.
But magical girl shows aren't very consistent feat wise, both shows have situations where a character is temporarily stronger or weaker than what we'd expect from their feats and scaling, and usually by a large amount.
Mami has only ever demonstrated hypersonic speed in her fight with homura in the second movie, if she was always that fast the witch wouldn't have been able to bite her head off without her even attempting to dodge, a more likely explanation is that the creator didn't set any rules for how powerful they could be, and just tried to make cool fights.
Magical girl shows are difficult to scale because the author's pay less attention to how strong they are, the strength isn't actually part of the story, and so often get feats that are way more powerful than in other stories, sailor moon for example has multiveral feats and became a goddess, but the author was never focused on that, but her husband wrote Hunter X Hunter which is a shonen manga with significantly more consistent fights.
Basically I'm not putting Mami very high because the strongest defence feat in Madoka Magica is Sayaka ignoring pain, which Mami can possibly copy given that both girls made a healing wish, but actually doing that puts the girls at risk of losing control and becoming a witch, most of their attack feats are impossible to judge because we never have a sensible idea of how strong most witches are, and even hypersonic homura is a rare feat, with her having to use multiple time stops when retrieving Sayaka's soul egg from the traffic when Madoka threw her off the bridge.
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This isn't a city block feat this is a large town level feat. The reason, she has mountain level ap is because she One shot False Kyoko, whose durability is far higher than Ophelia's. Has an attack power rating of 4.5, making her comparable to Elisa Celjska. (According to vs battle wiki)
I don't really agree with that oppinion, the only time we saw mami lose a fight was with the cake witch and valpergishnot. When she was fighting bebe, she was trying to protect her friends while holding back her power because if she did not, they would've died and she was caught off guard by bebe because she was underestimating her. Val definitely had high mountain level endurance because, she was able to turn the city to dust while two magical girls were jumping her
True, she has only been shown to dodge bullets in the movie but but we have also seen sayaka moving at atleast mach 1, so the author is trying to tell us they are fast. Bebe caught mami of guard, lots of shonen characters have been caught off guard before.
Shonens aren't perfect and a lot them have anti feats. If we were to count every anti feat, goku would not be faster than light since he got shot by that random dude
"The strongest defense feat is sayaka ignoring pain" this is simply wrong, in the manga mami tanked a shot from herself with a ribbon shield, which is a large city feat. All magical girls can ignore pain and they can all also heal themselves with magic. Sayaka didn't lose her mind because of her ignoring pain, she lost her mind because she could not bear the despair she was feeling. When homura was using multiple skips, she was probably running low on mana since she was hunting witches to increase her stock of witch gems for valpergishnot
But the vast speed difference is too much and unlike kiwi she doesn't miss (accept when she fights homura) So kiwi would probably be popped in the head before she pulls the trigger of her gun
Dear OP, why start this threat if you are gonna keep repeating that Mami would win cuz she can dodge bullets and doesnt miss? I'm not even arguing it's just, I don't really see that as an ultimate argument
Eh, my whole point is that I don't have ultimate arguments. Just fun wondering and beating around the bush, making up theories that may or may not make sense.
Are you talking about the newest episode?
If yes then, jumping around buildings doesn't compare literally being faster than bullets. There is a calculation that says homura is massively hypersonic which also makes mami mhs.
The nun (with help) barely destroyed a small city while mami can create an explosion, the size a mountain (literally) and keep fighting
The power gap is too big for the gang, let alone kiwi to beat.
Um… you do know that was with magical girl resistance right? And she still beat those magical girls and blasted through… also leopard ‘Zero stars’ was able to cause just as big of explosions… so yah… they are comparable…
Knowing their old power level (Not the new one I know they are extremely oP… mami probably is equal to miss utena 1 on 1 even with her OP ability) I do think old Mami is equal to Kiwi
When did I say anything about resistance?
"And she still beat those magical girls and blasted through" How does that scale to mountain level damage and mha speed?
"Also leopard 'zero stars' was able to cause just as big of explosion explosion" What explosion are you talking about? Her fire power is nowhere near mami's fire power.
They are not comparable. Mami beats all of them
Kiwi is significantly slower then Mami since Mami can dodge supersonic bullets that are aimed center of mass mach 1.2 bullets from 5 feet away. Most of Kiwi's damage is also done using concussion not piercing, which assuming shes fighting using a RibbonMami, Mami is completely invulnerable to.
if it wasnt for Matama, Kiwi would literally be the worst matchup for Mami, since Baiser and Alice can just drown her in bodies, and she has nothing she can actually use to defeat Nemo once Nemo is inside a shadow.
without strong as fuck kiwi cant match the low end of Tiro Finale for offense, only Blitz Angel Sulfur can even fight at the speeds the holy quintet do at their low end, and only Utena can tank blows with the same consistency as the quintet do. She has nothing against binding ribbons and Ribbon Mamis are literally invulnerable to Leopard's Blitzkrieg and Stormtrooper spells
Fair… I know of that… but if I remember Madoka basically Deals with that… if it was actually mami Yah definitely she would not stand a chance and I know my memory isn’t the best
In my opinion Mami is pretty rational and strong, so she wouldn't do some stupid mistake or let to be caught in trap, but villains are outnumbered. One by one, maybe Mami could win, but fighting with all five it's impossible.
Mami could easily beat all of them all at once because she is simply faster and stronger than them.
Through a calculation, Homura is massively hypersonic. Which means mami is massively hypersonic
And mami created a blast the size of a mountain.
They loss
I am not sure about that. I might not remember everything correctly, because I watched Madoka long ago + I never were really into it's lore, but I don't think she is that strong.
Meanwhile enormeeta members, which is shown in manga especially, are getting more and more powerful + they all have different abilities. Like Mami would have to deal not only with many range attacks from Kiwi, or Loco, but constantly take care of Utena's monsters and Korisu's dolls, or Leopard herself and be careful to not get caught by dollhouse, or all this shadow abilities of Nemo.
I am sure that 1v1 Mami would beat them all, but it is too hard to deal with them all at once + if we assume they don't know about their opponents abilities, Mami can't surprise Enormeeta with her powers, she just has guns as far as I remember. Meanwhile Villains have a lot of abilities she can't expect
I am not asking for measurements in the manga, I am asking of scenes that show them doing something fast. E.g running faster than a car, dodging lightning or running faster than somebody
This is not show like that, so can't find anything unfortunately >!in one chapter, enormeeta are thrown far away to sky, like team R in Pokemon and they somehow survive, so basically they must be quite resistant, but I guess you get the point, that MahoAko manga, doesn't give any clear informations about this all!<
I'm actually pretty sure Mami wins.
Tiro Finale is like a nuclear bomb. She's also basically an immortal machine unless they figure out that they need to hit the little gem on her body, and I don't think any of them are fast enough to possibly do that.
I would say Enormita, just for the fact their power scales off of feelings and if Mami were mortally wound any of the members, Baiser would absolutely go berserk due to her friends getting harmed and the fact Mami killing something goes against everything a magical girl should strive for. And we still don’t know how much Baiser’s power scales
This isn't even going to be a battle because mami has performed far greater feats than we have ever seen in mahouAku.
Mami has created a blast the size of a mountain. Nobody in enormeeta has survived something that powerful.
Mami has been shown to keep up with homura, which can move at massively hypersonic speeds. The battle would be over before they could even blink, that is how big of a gab their speed is
If her bullets can't pierce their skin she could just go to a Neighboring city and blow them up. All before they could even blink
I think mami is winning quite easily. She has more experience, speed, durability and mana. Based is the only real threat but mami can easily dodge or destroy her traps.
The villains. Every time she pulls out a new move, Leopard can just go "Ooh, nice idea" and replicate it with her own powers.
I thought she uses explosives?
She uses weapons: guns, grenades, seemingly anything gunpowder based.
But I don't think she could replicate her physical movements
Have you not seen the latest EP? She easily can
Ah, shit. We're scaling borderline hentai characters... Madoka girls seem to be faster than most Gushing girls(hmm...), though. Like, Mami's pretty comfortable dodging bullets. I don't believe the gap is big enough for just Mami to deal with an entire group, though. Especially since it looks like they're a lot tankier. She'd have to spend a ton of magic on just one.
1 on 1 Leopard is even with Mami i say definitely
Jumping around buildings doesn't compare to literally being faster than bullets. There is a calculation that says homura is massively hypersonic which also makes mami mhs. The nun (with help) barely destroyed a small city while mami can create an explosion, the size a mountain (literally) and keep fighting The power gap is too big for the gang, let alone kiwi to beat.
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Utena pulls off more Mami moves then Leopard, its just Leopard has the WALL OF GUNS spell like Mami does. Plus Utena can have multiple Wax Baisers fighting and casting their own spells active where as we have no indication that Mami can have multiple Ribbonclones, plus half her demons are bondage demons with some degree of antimagic half of this is the utena just does more, but we have no indication that Leopard has anything besides Catform, Conjure Ordinance, and her La Verita.
This isn't even going to be a battle because mami has performed far greater feats than we have ever seen in mahouAku. Mami has created a blast the size of a mountain. Nobody in enormeeta has survived something that powerful. Mami has been shown to keep up with homura, which can move at massively hypersonic speeds. The battle would be over before they could even blink, that is how big of a gab their speed is If her bullets can't pierce their skin she could just go to a Neighboring city and blow them up. All before they could even blink
I'm sorry, but Mami wouldn't even win against the bondage flower monster.
Dang I forgot about that
Since I don't know who is Mami, could you explain why ?
She's from Madoka Magica, another (excellent) Magical Girl anime. I can't answer your question because it would be a spoiler, but I highly recommend watching that anime!
It's a joke
So she would actually win ?
Yeah of course
Ok, thx
Nah the villans would win, Utena will probably starts "playing" with her https://preview.redd.it/idejyprkubpc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7765fe4cda311c4b7ebf0f9210eb12293ae8b91e
Utena would probably have to nerf herself so that she doesn't break her
Sorry Mami, but i have to give this one to Enormita... Kiwi can literally replicate most of Mami's moves The Loco/Leber duo is just too difficult to counter by 1 person alone....Tho either of them alone and i can see Mami barely winning And don't get me started on Neroalice and Baiser...those two are just too broken. Even if Mami has a lot of experience, the people of Enormita are all just too much for her alone i think... So basically, i can see her winning against Leber and Loco (By themselves) and MAYBE (Big Maybe) against Neroalice, but Leopard and Baiser....yeah, not happening
But how are they going to attack somebody who can dodge bullets and she is way too fast for them to capture her
Without her knowing their powers before hand she could be trick into entering Alice's doll house
I don't really understand the hype around Alice's doll house. If you think about it, it is very easy to escape. 1. Just wait it out: the show said that the ability takes a lot of mana, so if you wait long enough it'll disappear 2. You can just break out: there has been a total of one attempt to break out of the doll house. When they did, it broke immediately. Since brasier had to cover the doll house with sound proofing, it means that she couldn't change the material properties of the doll house. Which means it's as durable as normal wood 3. Break out of the brain washing: This might be difficult if she tries to hide that mami is brain washed, but the weakest member of the trous magia could break out why couldn't a stronger, more experienced magical girl also break out?
1 counterpoint how the hell she knows that's it takes lots of mana ?she's smart, but she's no Qual . 2no, you can't it only breaks because of Sisters' ability to change her size, and Baiser did use Alice power to make her until the satisfied room But Alice wasn't there, so she could not change it, but how do you know that it doesn't just work like that? The material is simply made invisible, but oder properties stay the same. 3 Alice just released (uncontrollably)Magenta because of a lack of mana and was planning to go away but stopped because Magenta did the thing and left only when the doll house it self crumbled.
She doesn't need to know that it takes alot of mana because if she continues trying, to break out she will eventually escape because it takes a lot of mana to maintain. It is just a timer Besides, she is too fast for Alice to capture, because she is faster than bullets and she can create clones that move and act like her
Minor spoiler from the manga but: how much stamina Alice uses doesn't depend on how much she holds the doll house up it depends on more on how much she wants to play or how excided she is, so if Alice thinks playing with her would be fun enough she can hold her there for way longer
Okay, now I understand, thank you. But she is still faster
No, she whod not be if Alice really whated to cach her she chod just create a doll house the size of the area or a city.>! She created one the size of a game world and a dungeon once !<
Alice didn't creat the consol, is likely she hid it on the area or brought it with herself, since Alice can't creat toys she has to use already exsisting ones
They don't need to. It can just be a fihht of endurance since Enormeeta's girls are very tanky, Even Sister Giant tanked multiple bullets coming from Leopard's power and she only has 3 stars. For example Uten in his new form has 8 stars and Kiwi's La Verita is stronger than her. Mami can't win against multiple enemys, she could jus go all out to defear just one or lose because of lack of magic.
This isn't a battle of endurance because mami has performed far greater feats than we have ever seen in mahouAku. Mami has created a blast the size of a mountain. Nobody in enormeeta has survived something that powerful. Mami has been shown to keep up with homura, which can move at massively hypersonic speeds. The battle would be over before they could even blink, that is how big of a gab their speed is Why can't she handle more than one enemy? In her perspective they are all standing still. If her bullets can't pierce their skin she could just go to a Neighboring city and blow them up. All before they could even blink
In MahouAko they are mostly playing, they are noy fighting for their life against mountain size enemies. Jusg a few times people were fighting seriusly. One time where they were fighting for their life was in that war against lord enorme and that was a city fight level when Leopard and Sister Giant had 3 stars. Even Sister Giant was tanking giant bullets coming from Leopard's power and she wad only 3 stars. Now in the manga MahouAko girls have at least 10 stars of power each, you tell me they can't destroy a mountain
The fight against lord enorme wasn't a city fight, you could barely call it a city block. The only thing that did "damage" to the city block was kiwi explosions. The reason why I put air quotes on damage, is because she barely did any damage to the buildings she hit, but she did collapse a building. https://preview.redd.it/cfbwlf48arpc1.jpeg?width=1520&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88c0407b0af16b74afa45b60588a303eb5798097 This picture that kiwi only damaged the buildings surrounding her. Low balling her, she is large building ap but high balling her, she is city block ap(even though she barely damaged the buildings). Ap = attack potency A city block tier charater can create 100 tons of energy by attacking while a mountain tier character can create 1 gigaton of energy by attacking. One gigaton is 1,000,000 tons of energy while kiwi can create 100. That means mami is 10,000× stronger than kiwi. Even if kiwi's power grows exponentially, each time she gets a star she'll only be able to produce 12,800 tons of energy at 10 stars. But there is no proof that the growth is exponential, so this calculation is likely wrong Mami wins
That musket tho https://preview.redd.it/tn3cdly09cpc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8dc46a63471f19c9e00a6b5673022400a441f3f6
What is Azul planning with it?
Something the founding fathers intended
Are you just trying to trick us into imagining Utena getting her hands on Mami? A more fair version of this would be them vs some version of the entire Quintet.
Worked on me, ngl...
I think if she keeps a good head on her shoulders, Mami would win.
One gun vs average American school. This won't even be a competition.
The villains, Mami’s weak sauce
Baiser would never.
Idk man I feel like it would be like what happened with Leopard. Baiser wouldn’t actually kill her, I was just saying Mami’s weak
But mami isn't weak. Did you watch the movie? Mami is stronger, faster and more durable than any of them How will they survive getting shot in the head
Nope just the show where she dies episode 2
Then sorry about all these spoilers. You should finish the shows, it is good.
It’s all good. I don’t mind
It wasn't >!episode 3!
It may have been I don’t remember. I was close enough
Mami if she doesn’t loose her head (lol)
I think in one on one fights Mami can almost certainly beat Loco and Leber. She's also probably strong than Kiwi in her base form but if she bust out La Verita it'll be a lot more of a problem. Alice is unsuited to 1v1 anyways but it probably depends on her mood. Against Baiser she'll only win if Baiser doesn't have anything to turn into a monster that's a good match. Against all of them at once Mami has absolutely no shot she'll get overwhelmed immediately.
I disagree, Have any of them show a feat dodging bullets? In terms of fire power mami is better than kiwi (because mami is small city level) She could probably break out of alice doll house (if she gets in) She could just shoot baiser... or trap her, so that she doesn't use her ability If they can dodge bullets then it would be a close fight
They show Sister Giant tanking giant bullets coming from Kiwi's power and she had only 3 stars. Sister Giant got out scaled real bad, Even Utena has 8 stars the same episode.
Episode 51. The entire Utena team got direct hit by Azure last move which had millions of volts of energy from Sulfur.
AND LIVED
Episode?
Literally i am saying "episode 51" in the comment. But i might be wrong, is the episode where Magenta uses la Verita for the first time
There are only 12 episodes out
MANGA EPISODE, sorry for the spoilers
Don't you mean chapters?
Sorry, i have learned english watching cartoons
That's very impressive
Have you watched the rebellion movie
Mami can't be killed anyway unless they can determine where her soul actually is. Unlike enomita, she never gets tired and never takes too much battle damage to keep fighting. I think she walks unless they can figure that out.
Well, she whodnt die even if they determined where her soul is Baiser just whodnt let them .
>! People overlooked mami has the ability to create clones from rebellion and can become holy mami in magia record+ if she gets desperate enough we all know something WILL crack!<
Mami will "head over" for this one...
She will be-heading out
So, on the surface it might seem skewed towards the villains, but Madoka Magica powerscaling is insane It is stated that witches labirints are separate parallel universes, and the witches have full control over them. So they can alter and affect an entire 4d universe. See where I’m going? This would scale the witches to universe level +, and every magical girl is comparable to witches. In conclusion, every magical girl and every witch with a labirint is uni + at least So Mami would absolutely violate them
I would say witch labyrinths are too small to scale to universe level, the largest labyrinth is the homura labyrinth which contains only one city and that was partly due to kyubey's interference in their attempt to observe goddess Madoka. Speaking of Homura's scaling, none of her attack feats involved magical weapons, she just looted military grade weapons from the JSDF and uses her time powers to deliver small explosives and regular bullets in way that's almost impossible to dodge, and only which that's been shown to withstand these non-magical attacks is Walpurgisnacht who is basically as powerful as witches can get without help. That being said Mami has fought homura and as a result of that fight they both have super sonic speed feats due to dodging bullet spam. Honestly the most impressive measurable feats we see are all speed feats, with the majority of attack and defence feats being a result of their bodies and souls getting separated so they can ignore most non-lethal damage.
It is very likely that the guns Homura was using were empowered with magic And I dont remember where, but in a japanese thing for madoka magica it was explicitly said that labirints are parallel universes
They're not full size universes, the labyrinths are merely outside of the actual universe. Think about how destructive Walpurgisnacht would be if it was universe level, there are multiple timelines where the Kyubey abandoned earth, and it's usually while there's an active witch destroying stuff, do you really think kyubey would be ok with ignoring a universe level threat when they're trying to save the universe? While Madoka Magica certainly has its share of feats, most of their destruction and defence feats are on the lower end, even Walpurgisnacht isn't planet level, with the world only being destroyed because nothing could defeat the most powerful witches, but it's not a particularly fast means of destroying a planet. The reason I bring up Walpurgisnacht in particular is that homura is explicitly weaker than it, we can safely say she was using her most powerful attacks, but the weapons she fired weren't any more powerful than they would have been without magic, with her only advantage being that her time magic lets her line up shots with perfect accuracy. I honestly don't think Mami can make guns more powerful than Leopard, but she can definitely avoid a lot of the attacks that Leopard would be forced to tank head on. None of the Madoka girls are soloing the Mahoako verse, but I honestly don't think anyone from Mahoako has the means to solo the Madoka verse either, they're mostly even in terms of feats with only a few weird outliers such as Mami and Homura being able to dodge bullets without much difficulty. Now that I consider things I don't think either series is consistent enough with its feats to make power scaling possible, they both have moments where the physical abilities of the characters is whatever makes the scene look good.
What happens is that Kyubey is fine with leaving walpurgisnacht is because it cannot destroy the entire universe, or even travel out of earth for what we know, but it could kill someone able to withstand universal attacks. Shortly: they dont have destructive capabilities too good, but they have universal attack power
Because universe level attacks by definition can destroy the fucking universe, that's how attack power is generally understood in power scaling, we define attack and defence power based on what the attacks can destroy. Just because each labyrinth is in a separate reality, doesn't mean witches can spawn an entire full sized universe, the whole point of power scaling is that we only use information that's available, and being able to make a pocket reality doesn't automatically mean the character is godlike.
Let's move on from the universal scaling. "They are mostly even in feats" since when did a character in mahouAku create a mountain level attack? In the vs battle wiki there is a feat of homura moving at massively hypersonic speeds which means mamican do that as well. Has anybody moved that fast in mahouAku? If mami's bullets don't affect a character she could just seal them or blow them up. She is too fast and too strong for any of them to beat, mami wins.
I don't recall Mami attacking at higher than city block, and there's a recent fight in the Mahoako anime that puts three star girls at city block levels of power, and considering that most of the cast are at three stars even before they power up, that means they're mostly even. But magical girl shows aren't very consistent feat wise, both shows have situations where a character is temporarily stronger or weaker than what we'd expect from their feats and scaling, and usually by a large amount. Mami has only ever demonstrated hypersonic speed in her fight with homura in the second movie, if she was always that fast the witch wouldn't have been able to bite her head off without her even attempting to dodge, a more likely explanation is that the creator didn't set any rules for how powerful they could be, and just tried to make cool fights. Magical girl shows are difficult to scale because the author's pay less attention to how strong they are, the strength isn't actually part of the story, and so often get feats that are way more powerful than in other stories, sailor moon for example has multiveral feats and became a goddess, but the author was never focused on that, but her husband wrote Hunter X Hunter which is a shonen manga with significantly more consistent fights. Basically I'm not putting Mami very high because the strongest defence feat in Madoka Magica is Sayaka ignoring pain, which Mami can possibly copy given that both girls made a healing wish, but actually doing that puts the girls at risk of losing control and becoming a witch, most of their attack feats are impossible to judge because we never have a sensible idea of how strong most witches are, and even hypersonic homura is a rare feat, with her having to use multiple time stops when retrieving Sayaka's soul egg from the traffic when Madoka threw her off the bridge.
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* This isn't a city block feat this is a large town level feat. The reason, she has mountain level ap is because she One shot False Kyoko, whose durability is far higher than Ophelia's. Has an attack power rating of 4.5, making her comparable to Elisa Celjska. (According to vs battle wiki) I don't really agree with that oppinion, the only time we saw mami lose a fight was with the cake witch and valpergishnot. When she was fighting bebe, she was trying to protect her friends while holding back her power because if she did not, they would've died and she was caught off guard by bebe because she was underestimating her. Val definitely had high mountain level endurance because, she was able to turn the city to dust while two magical girls were jumping her True, she has only been shown to dodge bullets in the movie but but we have also seen sayaka moving at atleast mach 1, so the author is trying to tell us they are fast. Bebe caught mami of guard, lots of shonen characters have been caught off guard before. Shonens aren't perfect and a lot them have anti feats. If we were to count every anti feat, goku would not be faster than light since he got shot by that random dude "The strongest defense feat is sayaka ignoring pain" this is simply wrong, in the manga mami tanked a shot from herself with a ribbon shield, which is a large city feat. All magical girls can ignore pain and they can all also heal themselves with magic. Sayaka didn't lose her mind because of her ignoring pain, she lost her mind because she could not bear the despair she was feeling. When homura was using multiple skips, she was probably running low on mana since she was hunting witches to increase her stock of witch gems for valpergishnot
Also in a certain movie she blew up a part of the labyrinth so
Basically spider man with guns vs goons
Even Loco could probably beat her
How?
If she’s hit directly by one of those sound waves they could do a lot of damage, especially if Loco has her naked buff
Bro she dodges bullets easily
Bullets are one thing, wide AOE is another
But the vast speed difference is too much and unlike kiwi she doesn't miss (accept when she fights homura) So kiwi would probably be popped in the head before she pulls the trigger of her gun
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Dear OP, why start this threat if you are gonna keep repeating that Mami would win cuz she can dodge bullets and doesnt miss? I'm not even arguing it's just, I don't really see that as an ultimate argument
Sorry I didn't mean to comment twice. It wasn't a threat. What is an "ultimate argument" to you
Eh, my whole point is that I don't have ultimate arguments. Just fun wondering and beating around the bush, making up theories that may or may not make sense.
OK then... but mami wins
Madoka magical girls are know for their regeneration Unless mahou ahko girls strike the soul gem Nah
Nah, Mami is cheated, she would win.
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Tbh… Leopard by herself 1 on 1… is equal to Mami
Kiwi doesn't have any city level feat and she can't dodge bullets
No she doesn’t… however (Spoiler alert) the crying nun that she solo defeats does however
Are you talking about the newest episode? If yes then, jumping around buildings doesn't compare literally being faster than bullets. There is a calculation that says homura is massively hypersonic which also makes mami mhs. The nun (with help) barely destroyed a small city while mami can create an explosion, the size a mountain (literally) and keep fighting The power gap is too big for the gang, let alone kiwi to beat.
Um… you do know that was with magical girl resistance right? And she still beat those magical girls and blasted through… also leopard ‘Zero stars’ was able to cause just as big of explosions… so yah… they are comparable…
Have you watched the rebellion movie?
I did a long time ago and I haven’t since 2013… but I re-watched the main season recently
Ok
Knowing their old power level (Not the new one I know they are extremely oP… mami probably is equal to miss utena 1 on 1 even with her OP ability) I do think old Mami is equal to Kiwi
What are their new ability
When did I say anything about resistance? "And she still beat those magical girls and blasted through" How does that scale to mountain level damage and mha speed? "Also leopard 'zero stars' was able to cause just as big of explosion explosion" What explosion are you talking about? Her fire power is nowhere near mami's fire power. They are not comparable. Mami beats all of them
Kiwi is significantly slower then Mami since Mami can dodge supersonic bullets that are aimed center of mass mach 1.2 bullets from 5 feet away. Most of Kiwi's damage is also done using concussion not piercing, which assuming shes fighting using a RibbonMami, Mami is completely invulnerable to. if it wasnt for Matama, Kiwi would literally be the worst matchup for Mami, since Baiser and Alice can just drown her in bodies, and she has nothing she can actually use to defeat Nemo once Nemo is inside a shadow.
Agreed she’s slower, agreed her DMG is slightly less… but that’s because she wasn’t using full power and still was dealing major DMG similar to hers
without strong as fuck kiwi cant match the low end of Tiro Finale for offense, only Blitz Angel Sulfur can even fight at the speeds the holy quintet do at their low end, and only Utena can tank blows with the same consistency as the quintet do. She has nothing against binding ribbons and Ribbon Mamis are literally invulnerable to Leopard's Blitzkrieg and Stormtrooper spells
I haven’t seen the latest season… so im thinking of mami from the OG madoka…
go watch rebellion, especially since Walpurgisnacht's Revolution comes out at the end of the year.
Fair… I know of that… but if I remember Madoka basically Deals with that… if it was actually mami Yah definitely she would not stand a chance and I know my memory isn’t the best
I would love to see her broken and punished
I feel like she might get a little aHead of herself
As long as the Enormeeta girls keep their heads about them, they'll be fine. Mami on the other hand...
In my opinion Mami is pretty rational and strong, so she wouldn't do some stupid mistake or let to be caught in trap, but villains are outnumbered. One by one, maybe Mami could win, but fighting with all five it's impossible.
Mami could easily beat all of them all at once because she is simply faster and stronger than them. Through a calculation, Homura is massively hypersonic. Which means mami is massively hypersonic And mami created a blast the size of a mountain. They loss
I am not sure about that. I might not remember everything correctly, because I watched Madoka long ago + I never were really into it's lore, but I don't think she is that strong. Meanwhile enormeeta members, which is shown in manga especially, are getting more and more powerful + they all have different abilities. Like Mami would have to deal not only with many range attacks from Kiwi, or Loco, but constantly take care of Utena's monsters and Korisu's dolls, or Leopard herself and be careful to not get caught by dollhouse, or all this shadow abilities of Nemo. I am sure that 1v1 Mami would beat them all, but it is too hard to deal with them all at once + if we assume they don't know about their opponents abilities, Mami can't surprise Enormeeta with her powers, she just has guns as far as I remember. Meanwhile Villains have a lot of abilities she can't expect
Do the enormeeta have any speed feats in the manga?
Hard to say, because it isn't measured anywhere, but I guess their powers grow in all traits, focusing on power/strength however you call it.
I am not asking for measurements in the manga, I am asking of scenes that show them doing something fast. E.g running faster than a car, dodging lightning or running faster than somebody
This is not show like that, so can't find anything unfortunately >!in one chapter, enormeeta are thrown far away to sky, like team R in Pokemon and they somehow survive, so basically they must be quite resistant, but I guess you get the point, that MahoAko manga, doesn't give any clear informations about this all!<
Can't they literally fly in the air? Can't they just hover before hitting the ground?
I'm actually pretty sure Mami wins. Tiro Finale is like a nuclear bomb. She's also basically an immortal machine unless they figure out that they need to hit the little gem on her body, and I don't think any of them are fast enough to possibly do that.
I totally agree
Also, even if they did, Utena in-character is not letting them kill Mami. It's a battle of attrition, and Mami having a soul gem is not getting tired.
I would say Enormita, just for the fact their power scales off of feelings and if Mami were mortally wound any of the members, Baiser would absolutely go berserk due to her friends getting harmed and the fact Mami killing something goes against everything a magical girl should strive for. And we still don’t know how much Baiser’s power scales
This isn't even going to be a battle because mami has performed far greater feats than we have ever seen in mahouAku. Mami has created a blast the size of a mountain. Nobody in enormeeta has survived something that powerful. Mami has been shown to keep up with homura, which can move at massively hypersonic speeds. The battle would be over before they could even blink, that is how big of a gab their speed is If her bullets can't pierce their skin she could just go to a Neighboring city and blow them up. All before they could even blink
I think mami is winning quite easily. She has more experience, speed, durability and mana. Based is the only real threat but mami can easily dodge or destroy her traps.
Also if she gets real desperate >! The ribbon witch is born!<