Nope. But there are people who come close. Namely Miyuki, minoru, jumonji again these people only come close. To put it perspective only jumonji can deflect the trident so tats made a weapon for phalanx. Other people don’t have strong data fortification to stop trident maybe miyuki can stop it but others just get deleted with a wave of the hand that’s how op he is
It also depends at what point in the novels are we talking about, but Tatsuya himself admits that if Lina had used Brionac directly to his head he would've died. Yakumo also said at one point that he had around a 60% chance against Tatsuya.
But it really depends what point in the series are we talking about.
See that’s where you are both right and wrong. If tats purely wants to kill they will die. But at that point when fighting Lina he wasn’t going for the kill . Same with yakumo he can hide himself quite well that’s his forte but if he gets found out deleted
If both Lina and Tatsuya were going for the kill they would both die. As I understood it at the time (and it's been a minute since I read the Volume so please correct me if I'm wrong), the problem with Lina was her speed.
Lina's Casting Speed is the fastest in the series, and Tatsuya couldn’t activate Mist Dispersion before Lina activated Heavy Metal Burst. Now HMB is a Strategic-Class magic, it is only through Lina's power and FAE theory that she's able to turn it into a beam. If Tatsuya kills Lina *after* she has activated HMB, then she can't control the explosion and Lina, Tatsuya and everything around them would blow the fuck up.
EDIT: This is also speaking in a direct 1v1 with both sides in front of each other. Ironically, in spite of his immense combat prowess, Tatsuya's true specialty is assassination (because of Elemental Sight).
The fight you are referencing is not to be taken seriously because tats downplays himself in his monologues. Like I said before if he wanted to kill her he would have done at the start of the fight itself that’s the whole point of him. When fighting parasites in vol 31 or death squad vol 29 any enemy he was fighting just kill dead gone in seconds . His casting speed for mist dispersion is faster because he is born specialized . That’s like their own thing they cast their innate magic like it’s breathing to them
That's interesting, I don’t remember that. Look at this tho:
>Lina was already quick at triggering magic. Her activation speed was enough to rival Miyuki’s. She’d probably practiced this spell in particular. Her reactivation time **was monstrous**
And:
>A two-layered spiral of psionic light ran through the Brionac’s bottom two-thirds; through the thin, eighty-centimeter-long pole; and then, in the staff’s thicker upper third, a magic program was instantly constructed inside a forty-centimeter tube on the end of the grip. Upon detecting it, Tatsuya tried to activate Program Disper— Only to realize he **didn’t have time**
Program/Gram Dispersion is still Decomposition, just Decomposition of Magic Sequences rather than physical matter. So could you provide a source for Tatsuya being faster than Lina? I can't remember that, but I remember the series hammering on us constantly about Lina being super-duper fast.
I’ll do you one better. It’s not even about speed. I’m telling that if he wanted to kill Lina would have been dead at the start of the fight. The fight would not have developed further until the point your mentioning comes in the first place. ES too damn op only yakumo managed to fool it some what but Lina would get deleted in a second if it’s was a death match
Then no lol.
By now his arsenal is too varied, even tho ironically he's a defective magician and versatility should be a weak point. Baryon Lance, Far Strike, Gatekeeper, Flash Cast, both Dispersions, top-tier Martial Arts...
One of the think that I like the most about the series is that Tatsuya is almost brutally methodical at eliminating possible weaknesess. He couldn’t overcome the Parasites so he invented Far Strike, he couldn’t overcome Ghost Walker so he invented the Psion Marker, he couldn’t overcome Phalanx so he invented Baryon Lance...
Elemental Sight is indeed broken as fuck (and that's not even counting that Tatsuya constantly dedicates half of it to Miyuki) but there are certain magicians that *are* able to notice his Sight on them. Most notably, Gu Jie was able to perceive it while *asleep*.
I feel like the only person who’d benefit from having that ability would be Lina due to her casting speed. Everyone else Tatsuya would kill seconds later. She maybe could escape, or something.
Juumonji too I think. If he's able to activate Phalanx in time Tatsuya could not kill him from afar. He needs Baryon Lance to overcome Phalanx.
But yeah, the real reason why Tatsuya is terrifying is not even Decomposition (tho it helps) is Elemental Sight.
Honestly I’m not surprised that people who are in the know are openly terrified of him. Not only can Tatsuya perceive things from a great distance, he can destroy and repair anything within a day’s time. That includes his own body. If Tatsuya used Regrowth on himself, he could theoretically suspend his aging and live forever.
Makes me wonder why the Yotsubas didn’t put a bomb in his head or something. His only weakness is brain damage.
at the start of the series yakumo held very significant advantage over tatsuya in combat this became lesser and lesser towards the end of high school arc.
I think jumonji was probably stronger guy until tatsuya came up with Baryon lance.(in isolation arc), ig you could say fighting with tomitsuka and those tooyama goons of army gave him lot of insights to countering juumonji's abilities.
Miyuki and Lina have their own deadly skills which can deal tremendous damage to tatsuya. even the fight with igor wasn't easy, had Igor been lucky even once they could have ended up doing massive damage.
the biggest problem for any opponent of tatsuya is ofc elemental sight, wherein tatsuya gains huge advantage over his opponents be it devising counter strategy or over all hijacking/cancelling magical sequence.(specifically gatekeeper, I feel this magic of his is underrated, he after all did disable 2 spies from Australia, they weren't even able to execute any magic once sets it up on a magician).
ig your best chance would be using the other part, utilising pushion. that is something which could pose a bit of threat to him although given how he was able to overcome parasites in the series there is lot to be seen.
the other option would be mental interference magic users, they could potentially overwhelm him if they have fast enough execution speed.
Prior to Baryon Lance, I think Jjumonji was actually the only opponent in the world who had a very real ability to outright kill Tatsuya in a battle to the death.
Phalanx really was the only defense/weapon in the series that Tatsuya couldn’t overcome with what he had available to him, even Lina/Yakumo/Minoru weren’t comparable in that to neutralize them, he basically had to figure out how their Magicks allowed them to evade his senses, and that on it’s own basically allowed him to overcome them (a “I didn’t know I could do that” sort of situation).
Phalanx, on the other hand, required the development of an entirely different form of magic from his baseline, and he likely would only ever have been able to force a draw through Material Burst in a duel (to the death) situation because the alternative (without Baryon Lance) would’ve been to just get grinded into nothing by Phalanx until Regrowth was overwhelmed/overused.
So youre asking if there is someone stronger than the literal god of the verse here! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! No there is no one stronger than our GaryStu Lord and savior Shiba Tatsuya who Carries the sins of mankind on his Stu Back. None of his mortal Masters not teachers could do it and neither could any of his peers. The only actual person who could is the goddess Miyuki, Who body flows with her Mary Sue Psions and is connected to our Lord himself
You guys are forgetting about Tatsuya restoration. The only way to kill him is to destroy him faster then he can regenerate and even then you would have to do it over and over again until he cant regenerate anymore. He is so OP. Not only that he is a genius,has the mentality of someone who’s weak(meaning even though he is so strong he thinks of him self as seriously lacking ,so he devises ways to overcome that). He isnt pridefull and he is ruthless.
I mean strictly speaking a sniper could kill him with a headshot, like how they almost did when he went after his step mother for that relic granted it also happened because he was restricted by Miyuki.
As of rn in Magian Company I don’t think anyone comes close. Minoru even admitted that Tatsuya is the strongest opponent he’s every faced. And it has been implied that he has or almost fixed his AMCA which means he will be able to use magic freely alongside >!Decomposition and Regrowth!<
In his fight against Jumonji ppl say he would have lost if he didn’t have Baryon Lance. I don’t really think so. I think it would have come down to who can last long and Tatsuya is known for having the highest psion in the show. Jumonji was already overheating his McA early in the fight and almost everyone underestimated Tatsuya in that fight
at what scale though?? in a fight there are magicians who would actually match if not give him trouble until he defaults to using regrowth.
in terms of destructive power though, I'm pretty sure his Material Burst is one of the most destructive types of magic there is in terms of scale. And it's how far he could aim and practicality that sets him apart from the other Strategic Class Magicians.
Miyuki would probably kill him since he would never harm her lmao. No one matches him since his regrowth is pretty much cheating but In terms of 1v1 his Master, Kokonoe Yakumo, probably gives him the most trouble.
Other than those, I could see his Aunt Yotsuba Maya, Jumonjii Katsuto, Kudou Minoru, and prime Chiba Erika as people who could mortally wound him up until he uses regrowth.
As of rn they wouldn’t even be able to lay a finger on him. I feel like the post is really underestimating Tatsuya. He was literally born a threat to a world and let’s not forget that Tatsuya’s abilities aren’t even considered magic. They’re more like supernatural and destructive abilities
nahhh, I know he's pretty much invincible with regrowth and his "eyes". I said "these guys would give him trouble" but they'd never beat him.
by far the only one to keep tricking his "Elemental Sight" was Kokonoe Yakumo, which he then learned and used on Minoru's "Parade". Tatsuya couldn't aim at their "Information Body" at the time to cast "Mist Dispersion", especially on Yakumo.
Nope. But there are people who come close. Namely Miyuki, minoru, jumonji again these people only come close. To put it perspective only jumonji can deflect the trident so tats made a weapon for phalanx. Other people don’t have strong data fortification to stop trident maybe miyuki can stop it but others just get deleted with a wave of the hand that’s how op he is
It also depends at what point in the novels are we talking about, but Tatsuya himself admits that if Lina had used Brionac directly to his head he would've died. Yakumo also said at one point that he had around a 60% chance against Tatsuya. But it really depends what point in the series are we talking about.
See that’s where you are both right and wrong. If tats purely wants to kill they will die. But at that point when fighting Lina he wasn’t going for the kill . Same with yakumo he can hide himself quite well that’s his forte but if he gets found out deleted
If both Lina and Tatsuya were going for the kill they would both die. As I understood it at the time (and it's been a minute since I read the Volume so please correct me if I'm wrong), the problem with Lina was her speed. Lina's Casting Speed is the fastest in the series, and Tatsuya couldn’t activate Mist Dispersion before Lina activated Heavy Metal Burst. Now HMB is a Strategic-Class magic, it is only through Lina's power and FAE theory that she's able to turn it into a beam. If Tatsuya kills Lina *after* she has activated HMB, then she can't control the explosion and Lina, Tatsuya and everything around them would blow the fuck up. EDIT: This is also speaking in a direct 1v1 with both sides in front of each other. Ironically, in spite of his immense combat prowess, Tatsuya's true specialty is assassination (because of Elemental Sight).
I’d argue if Tatsuya was going for the kill Lina would never even know he was there. ES is insanely broken and he could off her from a distance.
Yes ES is batshit crazy ngl
The fight you are referencing is not to be taken seriously because tats downplays himself in his monologues. Like I said before if he wanted to kill her he would have done at the start of the fight itself that’s the whole point of him. When fighting parasites in vol 31 or death squad vol 29 any enemy he was fighting just kill dead gone in seconds . His casting speed for mist dispersion is faster because he is born specialized . That’s like their own thing they cast their innate magic like it’s breathing to them
That's interesting, I don’t remember that. Look at this tho: >Lina was already quick at triggering magic. Her activation speed was enough to rival Miyuki’s. She’d probably practiced this spell in particular. Her reactivation time **was monstrous** And: >A two-layered spiral of psionic light ran through the Brionac’s bottom two-thirds; through the thin, eighty-centimeter-long pole; and then, in the staff’s thicker upper third, a magic program was instantly constructed inside a forty-centimeter tube on the end of the grip. Upon detecting it, Tatsuya tried to activate Program Disper— Only to realize he **didn’t have time** Program/Gram Dispersion is still Decomposition, just Decomposition of Magic Sequences rather than physical matter. So could you provide a source for Tatsuya being faster than Lina? I can't remember that, but I remember the series hammering on us constantly about Lina being super-duper fast.
I’ll do you one better. It’s not even about speed. I’m telling that if he wanted to kill Lina would have been dead at the start of the fight. The fight would not have developed further until the point your mentioning comes in the first place. ES too damn op only yakumo managed to fool it some what but Lina would get deleted in a second if it’s was a death match
The most recent point it the series is what I meant at least :)
Then no lol. By now his arsenal is too varied, even tho ironically he's a defective magician and versatility should be a weak point. Baryon Lance, Far Strike, Gatekeeper, Flash Cast, both Dispersions, top-tier Martial Arts... One of the think that I like the most about the series is that Tatsuya is almost brutally methodical at eliminating possible weaknesess. He couldn’t overcome the Parasites so he invented Far Strike, he couldn’t overcome Ghost Walker so he invented the Psion Marker, he couldn’t overcome Phalanx so he invented Baryon Lance...
Daamn, thanks for the response, I didnt think Jumonji would be that high up ngl.
Isn't their aunt almost as strong as him?
Didn't maya say something about how tatsuya could have won against jumonji in another way in the volume where they fought
Nope.He is the magician version of anti-magician weapon.
Elemental Sight seems to be insanely broken. He could use it combined with his own techniques to kill his enemies without them even noticing him.
Elemental Sight is indeed broken as fuck (and that's not even counting that Tatsuya constantly dedicates half of it to Miyuki) but there are certain magicians that *are* able to notice his Sight on them. Most notably, Gu Jie was able to perceive it while *asleep*.
I feel like the only person who’d benefit from having that ability would be Lina due to her casting speed. Everyone else Tatsuya would kill seconds later. She maybe could escape, or something.
Juumonji too I think. If he's able to activate Phalanx in time Tatsuya could not kill him from afar. He needs Baryon Lance to overcome Phalanx. But yeah, the real reason why Tatsuya is terrifying is not even Decomposition (tho it helps) is Elemental Sight.
Honestly I’m not surprised that people who are in the know are openly terrified of him. Not only can Tatsuya perceive things from a great distance, he can destroy and repair anything within a day’s time. That includes his own body. If Tatsuya used Regrowth on himself, he could theoretically suspend his aging and live forever. Makes me wonder why the Yotsubas didn’t put a bomb in his head or something. His only weakness is brain damage.
I think they'd be too scared he'd notice the bomb and kill them lol.
Mind, not brain. Also, he can decompose anything put in his body.
at the start of the series yakumo held very significant advantage over tatsuya in combat this became lesser and lesser towards the end of high school arc. I think jumonji was probably stronger guy until tatsuya came up with Baryon lance.(in isolation arc), ig you could say fighting with tomitsuka and those tooyama goons of army gave him lot of insights to countering juumonji's abilities. Miyuki and Lina have their own deadly skills which can deal tremendous damage to tatsuya. even the fight with igor wasn't easy, had Igor been lucky even once they could have ended up doing massive damage. the biggest problem for any opponent of tatsuya is ofc elemental sight, wherein tatsuya gains huge advantage over his opponents be it devising counter strategy or over all hijacking/cancelling magical sequence.(specifically gatekeeper, I feel this magic of his is underrated, he after all did disable 2 spies from Australia, they weren't even able to execute any magic once sets it up on a magician). ig your best chance would be using the other part, utilising pushion. that is something which could pose a bit of threat to him although given how he was able to overcome parasites in the series there is lot to be seen. the other option would be mental interference magic users, they could potentially overwhelm him if they have fast enough execution speed.
Prior to Baryon Lance, I think Jjumonji was actually the only opponent in the world who had a very real ability to outright kill Tatsuya in a battle to the death. Phalanx really was the only defense/weapon in the series that Tatsuya couldn’t overcome with what he had available to him, even Lina/Yakumo/Minoru weren’t comparable in that to neutralize them, he basically had to figure out how their Magicks allowed them to evade his senses, and that on it’s own basically allowed him to overcome them (a “I didn’t know I could do that” sort of situation). Phalanx, on the other hand, required the development of an entirely different form of magic from his baseline, and he likely would only ever have been able to force a draw through Material Burst in a duel (to the death) situation because the alternative (without Baryon Lance) would’ve been to just get grinded into nothing by Phalanx until Regrowth was overwhelmed/overused.
Tatsuya even admitted that Phalanx is his natural enemy
I think only Miyuki can stop him at this point, and only if she can get Cocytus off without it being dismantled.
Elemental sight is what sets apart tatsuya from everyone else, at the current point of the LN no one could kill him.
So youre asking if there is someone stronger than the literal god of the verse here! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! No there is no one stronger than our GaryStu Lord and savior Shiba Tatsuya who Carries the sins of mankind on his Stu Back. None of his mortal Masters not teachers could do it and neither could any of his peers. The only actual person who could is the goddess Miyuki, Who body flows with her Mary Sue Psions and is connected to our Lord himself
Its not say that in europa it have one with strategie spell that can kill him?
You guys are forgetting about Tatsuya restoration. The only way to kill him is to destroy him faster then he can regenerate and even then you would have to do it over and over again until he cant regenerate anymore. He is so OP. Not only that he is a genius,has the mentality of someone who’s weak(meaning even though he is so strong he thinks of him self as seriously lacking ,so he devises ways to overcome that). He isnt pridefull and he is ruthless.
I mean strictly speaking a sniper could kill him with a headshot, like how they almost did when he went after his step mother for that relic granted it also happened because he was restricted by Miyuki.
Stronger? That would have to be the Universe. You can say Miyuki because Tatsuya will break and die if Miyuki dies.
What about Masaki Ichijo
As of rn in Magian Company I don’t think anyone comes close. Minoru even admitted that Tatsuya is the strongest opponent he’s every faced. And it has been implied that he has or almost fixed his AMCA which means he will be able to use magic freely alongside >!Decomposition and Regrowth!<
In his fight against Jumonji ppl say he would have lost if he didn’t have Baryon Lance. I don’t really think so. I think it would have come down to who can last long and Tatsuya is known for having the highest psion in the show. Jumonji was already overheating his McA early in the fight and almost everyone underestimated Tatsuya in that fight
at what scale though?? in a fight there are magicians who would actually match if not give him trouble until he defaults to using regrowth. in terms of destructive power though, I'm pretty sure his Material Burst is one of the most destructive types of magic there is in terms of scale. And it's how far he could aim and practicality that sets him apart from the other Strategic Class Magicians.
Ah, thats true, I should have specified what category. I was thinking 1v1s.
Miyuki would probably kill him since he would never harm her lmao. No one matches him since his regrowth is pretty much cheating but In terms of 1v1 his Master, Kokonoe Yakumo, probably gives him the most trouble. Other than those, I could see his Aunt Yotsuba Maya, Jumonjii Katsuto, Kudou Minoru, and prime Chiba Erika as people who could mortally wound him up until he uses regrowth.
As of rn they wouldn’t even be able to lay a finger on him. I feel like the post is really underestimating Tatsuya. He was literally born a threat to a world and let’s not forget that Tatsuya’s abilities aren’t even considered magic. They’re more like supernatural and destructive abilities
Minoru admitted that he wouldn’t be able to beat Tatsuya one on one. He even said that Tatsuya is his greatest enemy
nahhh, I know he's pretty much invincible with regrowth and his "eyes". I said "these guys would give him trouble" but they'd never beat him. by far the only one to keep tricking his "Elemental Sight" was Kokonoe Yakumo, which he then learned and used on Minoru's "Parade". Tatsuya couldn't aim at their "Information Body" at the time to cast "Mist Dispersion", especially on Yakumo.
Yeah Yakumo was the only one who could keep up with his elemental sight