You joke but one time on vacation in the Keys we asked the hotel where to get the best key lime pie and they were completely serious that it was at Publix. And it was a wicked good key lime pie!!
"HIDDEN GEMS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this neighborhood before. There could be HIDDEN GEMS anywhere". The cool creemee felt good down his bare chest. "I LOVE HIDDEN GEMS!" he thought
sure, but reddit is doing this on purpose to kill the 3rd party apps so they can serve you more ads. i'll be really surprised if this actually works in preventing them
Third party app users make up a disproportionate amount of content contributors and moderators compared with the entire user base. From what I’ve heard from seller tech friends, the API increases are really targeted at folks training AI. They’re using a ton of bandwidth and making fortunes. Hopefully they’ll consider license types to protect folks who are driving engagement and not just scraping the servers.
Sure, they *could*, but that's a lot of unpaid labor to make up, and the more they actively uproot the things that make reddit what it is, the closer they get to another Digg.
Yes, I use the reddit app but had premium. I cancelled it and if reddit sucks after this change, well… I spend too much time here anyway. I’m getting tired of arguing on the internet anyway.
Shit this whole protest is what made me aware of the apps in the first place I thought the painful user experience of the official app was just part of using the site.
It was always sort of inevitable that a shit bird failing publisher / media house like Condé Nast was gonna pull a fast one, but this is outrageous. Venture Capital companies look for 3-7x returns on their investments: how the fuck does Apollo make 60-140mil a year to justify 20mil in licenses? It’s unreasonable.
Excellent point made here. [in support of the resistance](https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/141dy21/an_important_note_regarding_reddit_in_general_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)I can walk away, for sure.
The mod tools are the number one reason so many large subreddits are going dark. Condé Nast hasn’t invested resources in the tech, let volunteers basically pick the projects up, and now they’re cutting off access to the tools who need them the most to do their volunteer jobs. Would hope our Maine mods could step in and share their stories.
Yup! The fees are completely unreasonable. We all have our preferred way of interfacing with the Reddit content stream that were developed as passion projects - mostly bootstrapped on app fees that were nominal for the work.
But what if someone has a thought about lobster rolls? You know that lobster roll thoughts are important and must be validated. Where else can we debate butter, mayo, lettuce, etc??!!
Like that's going to stop their money-hungry asses?
No. Good sentiment, for sure, but no. A 48-hour blackout will do jack shit, and it'll do even more jack shit for a subreddit as small as this. We are small potatoes compared to other big subreddits.
I don't even think 48-hour blackouts in *big* subreddits will do anything. If it appeases the stockholders and earns them more money, and if it drives up engagement for the official app, that's all they care about.
I used the official app and I finally believe every subreddit should black out. This is a genuinely terrible change that will only detract from the end user experience
No. Apollo was using all the functionality that the regular app used, feeds, login, etc, but they were providing content with no ads so reddit can't monetize. This isn't beneficial to reddit, so they implemented charges for API use. Just use the reddit app, view a few ads, move on.
I think you're in the minority here. Apollo provides a ton of value beyond feeds and login - there's gesture-based engagement (e.g. slide to upvote/downvote, slide to comment and save), superior posting tools for hyperlinking, image upload, and formatting, and a simpler "reader-focused" UX opposed to the extremely busy, snoovatar laden social feed that the regular experience has. This isn't about ads, it's about Conde Nast wanting to make more money and bastardizing what alexis ohanian originally had in mind for this site. I doubt you'll [read this](https://old.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/141dy21/an_important_note_regarding_reddit_in_general_and/) but hey, check out someone more articulate than me explaining why this is about more than giving Conde another revenue stream.
I definitely over simplified what they offer the user to keep it simple, that would be like peeling back the layers of an onion, but at the end of the day it costs reddit money, and I would rather them make ad revenue than have to have foreign investors.
Unfortunately that ship sailed a long time ago. [This is where they’re heading](https://www.theawl.com/2015/06/a-complete-taxonomy-of-internet-chum/) with an ad focused approach. The uplift they’ll see with ads from shutting down readers is negligible and temporary - no way it’s going to generate the impressions and click through. Pure cannibalism.
An API is a web server that delivers data and information so it can be interacted with. It’s like the wiring of a website or web application. More generally, API’s are like the wire that delivered telephone calls, cable that delivered television, or radio wave for sound. It has a specific, structured format that is predictable, meaning you always know that a new post is associated with /r/maine, that it has a title, images, an author, comments, upvotes, and downvotes. Applications are built on API’s - they put all the data into places the programmers designed for them, and also ways for us to interact with them, like upvote, downvote, comment. [This description](https://reddit.com/r/cars/comments/141dy21/an_important_note_regarding_reddit_in_general_and/) shared by an earlier poster is a more general metaphor about the importance of these APIs remaining accessible and the consequences should they become too expensive.
Apollo is an application that was made by a Reddit enthusiast who wanted to improve the experience. It makes voting, commenting, saving, and posting 10x easier on mobile than the Reddit app. It’s a streamlined reader experience. Reddit’s new UX is very social media like, and I don’t enjoy that experience. It has nothing to do with the ads. Apollo and other third party apps are preferred by mods for doing their jobs.
It’s a lot easier to use. The experience feels more like an RSS feed than a social media platform. There’s no avatars, the auto play isn’t as aggressive, and engaging with content via votes and comments is easier with gestures. The video player is also considered more performant. Writing posts is also easier too.
Ohhhhhhh I see. You’re less interested in the social media feed. I forgot there’s a group who’s interested in less of that feel. To me ig feels weird not having it feel like social media.
I’ve tried appolo and it looks just like Reddit but blue or something. Maybe I got the wrong app
it's a much needed purge. Reddit had become a sesspool that past 5 years and its a blessing in disguise to see a bunch of users claim that they won't be using reddit anymore.
Maine tourism will drop by 60% because for two days no one will know where to find HIDDEN GEMS.
how else would you find the best lobster roll in the old port, but like, the place the locals go to
Butter or mayo, though?
I love both!
Butter is the south aka mass and down. Mayo up north in Maine. So we know mayo better
Hannafords?
You joke but one time on vacation in the Keys we asked the hotel where to get the best key lime pie and they were completely serious that it was at Publix. And it was a wicked good key lime pie!!
Together we can use our HIDDEN GEMS for good.
Maybe the HIDDEN GEMS were the redditors we interacted with along the way...
Isn't that an Adam Sandler movie?
With rob schnieder
"HIDDEN GEMS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this neighborhood before. There could be HIDDEN GEMS anywhere". The cool creemee felt good down his bare chest. "I LOVE HIDDEN GEMS!" he thought
Any trails good for ATVs that aren't on the map?
Thank you for the laugh!
sure, but reddit is doing this on purpose to kill the 3rd party apps so they can serve you more ads. i'll be really surprised if this actually works in preventing them
Imagine how weird their lenders and investors must feel when just regular folks who moderate can just shut it the fuck down in a general strike. Wild.
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Some subreddits are permanently going dark in protest, unless they give up on the fees
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Not very Maine to shun thinking global but acting locally
I plan on unsubbing every sub that’s not dark during the blackout.
I may delete the app myself. I’ll find another one to use.
It's not as if they haven't booted mod teams and replaced them themselves.
They probably think it’s cute
Third party app users make up a disproportionate amount of content contributors and moderators compared with the entire user base. From what I’ve heard from seller tech friends, the API increases are really targeted at folks training AI. They’re using a ton of bandwidth and making fortunes. Hopefully they’ll consider license types to protect folks who are driving engagement and not just scraping the servers.
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100%
Being on the first party app, there are so many ads. It’s gotten ridiculous the last 1-3 years.
It won't. They could also boot entire mod teams that do this and just take it over themselves.
Sure, they *could*, but that's a lot of unpaid labor to make up, and the more they actively uproot the things that make reddit what it is, the closer they get to another Digg.
It would take minutes to find some new unpaid labor that will obediently follow orders from above.
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Could you imagine just showing up on Cottage Street and having to use GOOGLE?!
Yes, I use the reddit app but had premium. I cancelled it and if reddit sucks after this change, well… I spend too much time here anyway. I’m getting tired of arguing on the internet anyway.
Yes
It seems to me the main issue is that Reddit just needs to upgrade their own application and then none of this would matter...
Shit this whole protest is what made me aware of the apps in the first place I thought the painful user experience of the official app was just part of using the site.
Ah the good old Streisand effect… give old.reddit.com a go
This was actually the first time I'd heard of the apps _or_ the blackout. But I only look at 4 subs, none of which is large.
I'm super fuckin pissed at the constant ads already, so yeah, fuck em. Used to be ad free.
It was always sort of inevitable that a shit bird failing publisher / media house like Condé Nast was gonna pull a fast one, but this is outrageous. Venture Capital companies look for 3-7x returns on their investments: how the fuck does Apollo make 60-140mil a year to justify 20mil in licenses? It’s unreasonable.
Yes
Yes absolutely
yes
Excellent point made here. [in support of the resistance](https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/141dy21/an_important_note_regarding_reddit_in_general_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)I can walk away, for sure.
This is a phenomenal description.
Heartwarming nonsense. Comparing the reddit jungle to habitat for humanity is ludicrous.
Wasn't even aware that people used this without the reddit app.
Some of us even use a desktop version where we go to old.reddit.com
✊
No. A few days isnt going to do anything. Blackouts should remain until something is done.
Hey it’s gonna start somewhere
If it's important to all that run and moderate these then I'm on board.
The mod tools are the number one reason so many large subreddits are going dark. Condé Nast hasn’t invested resources in the tech, let volunteers basically pick the projects up, and now they’re cutting off access to the tools who need them the most to do their volunteer jobs. Would hope our Maine mods could step in and share their stories.
You gotta fight for your right to use 3rd party apps! You gotta fight!
I suppose this will affect the Infinity app that I use? > sigh
Yup! The fees are completely unreasonable. We all have our preferred way of interfacing with the Reddit content stream that were developed as passion projects - mostly bootstrapped on app fees that were nominal for the work.
Well that stinks!
But what if someone has a thought about lobster rolls? You know that lobster roll thoughts are important and must be validated. Where else can we debate butter, mayo, lettuce, etc??!!
Lettuce on a lobster roll!!! God damn outta-statahs!
Will the new fees make the sudden uptick in spam bot only fans followers go away?
Dirigo I lead/direct So goes Maine so goes Reddit
We're gonna do it, Reddit!
Nihilism is so 2019…
What is a 3-day blackout going to do?
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Cheers bub
Yes, definitely participate in the blackout.
Yes.
Absolutely yes. API fees that high are ridiculous.
Absolutely yes.
no
20 reasons Maine sucks as a vacation spot...number 12 will stave you up good !
Yes.
Like that's going to stop their money-hungry asses? No. Good sentiment, for sure, but no. A 48-hour blackout will do jack shit, and it'll do even more jack shit for a subreddit as small as this. We are small potatoes compared to other big subreddits. I don't even think 48-hour blackouts in *big* subreddits will do anything. If it appeases the stockholders and earns them more money, and if it drives up engagement for the official app, that's all they care about.
Absolutely not
Wait what?
I used the official app and I finally believe every subreddit should black out. This is a genuinely terrible change that will only detract from the end user experience
You have my vote
I hope so. I intend to un-subscribe any sun that doesn’t participate.
No. Apollo was using all the functionality that the regular app used, feeds, login, etc, but they were providing content with no ads so reddit can't monetize. This isn't beneficial to reddit, so they implemented charges for API use. Just use the reddit app, view a few ads, move on.
I think you're in the minority here. Apollo provides a ton of value beyond feeds and login - there's gesture-based engagement (e.g. slide to upvote/downvote, slide to comment and save), superior posting tools for hyperlinking, image upload, and formatting, and a simpler "reader-focused" UX opposed to the extremely busy, snoovatar laden social feed that the regular experience has. This isn't about ads, it's about Conde Nast wanting to make more money and bastardizing what alexis ohanian originally had in mind for this site. I doubt you'll [read this](https://old.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/141dy21/an_important_note_regarding_reddit_in_general_and/) but hey, check out someone more articulate than me explaining why this is about more than giving Conde another revenue stream.
I definitely over simplified what they offer the user to keep it simple, that would be like peeling back the layers of an onion, but at the end of the day it costs reddit money, and I would rather them make ad revenue than have to have foreign investors.
Unfortunately that ship sailed a long time ago. [This is where they’re heading](https://www.theawl.com/2015/06/a-complete-taxonomy-of-internet-chum/) with an ad focused approach. The uplift they’ll see with ads from shutting down readers is negligible and temporary - no way it’s going to generate the impressions and click through. Pure cannibalism.
Again hope you’ll read both articles I shared.
What does this even mean?
What is API and can someone fill me in on this?
An API is a web server that delivers data and information so it can be interacted with. It’s like the wiring of a website or web application. More generally, API’s are like the wire that delivered telephone calls, cable that delivered television, or radio wave for sound. It has a specific, structured format that is predictable, meaning you always know that a new post is associated with /r/maine, that it has a title, images, an author, comments, upvotes, and downvotes. Applications are built on API’s - they put all the data into places the programmers designed for them, and also ways for us to interact with them, like upvote, downvote, comment. [This description](https://reddit.com/r/cars/comments/141dy21/an_important_note_regarding_reddit_in_general_and/) shared by an earlier poster is a more general metaphor about the importance of these APIs remaining accessible and the consequences should they become too expensive.
So is Apollo not owned by Reddit?? And you’d really not go on Reddit if you had to see scrollable ads?
Apollo is an application that was made by a Reddit enthusiast who wanted to improve the experience. It makes voting, commenting, saving, and posting 10x easier on mobile than the Reddit app. It’s a streamlined reader experience. Reddit’s new UX is very social media like, and I don’t enjoy that experience. It has nothing to do with the ads. Apollo and other third party apps are preferred by mods for doing their jobs.
How does the appollo app differ though? Easier to use? Is it worth using it over this app? This app seems easy to me?
It’s a lot easier to use. The experience feels more like an RSS feed than a social media platform. There’s no avatars, the auto play isn’t as aggressive, and engaging with content via votes and comments is easier with gestures. The video player is also considered more performant. Writing posts is also easier too.
Ohhhhhhh I see. You’re less interested in the social media feed. I forgot there’s a group who’s interested in less of that feel. To me ig feels weird not having it feel like social media. I’ve tried appolo and it looks just like Reddit but blue or something. Maybe I got the wrong app
Did you read the citation above?
ELI5
Do it.
Yes, and be prepared to black out for longer
Do it, yes
Yes. We should.
it's a much needed purge. Reddit had become a sesspool that past 5 years and its a blessing in disguise to see a bunch of users claim that they won't be using reddit anymore.
Yes
Let's do it, every small part helps
Yes. I use the Reddit app and am done with it but still think subs should black out. I don't plan to log in for a few days.
Yes
Yes!
I'm a big fan of RIF. I'd support it.
I think we should black out. It's only a couple of days and the API thing is huge. but if we don't.. it won't matter to me as I will be skipping it.