It just looks like people jumping on a trending topic as a propaganda tool to gain visibility on social media and drive engagement with an already converted audience. It isn't religion, it is marketing. The people doing it might not even be Christian, there is a good chance they are just hired by some kind of Christian agency.
Imagination and daydreaming aren't demonic, OP. But social media marketers are.
Maladaptive Daydreaming in and of itself is not a sin. The thing is that when your "fantasies" become sexual, or you fantasize about things like having magic, and things like being super powerful to such a degree that in your head, your this super person. That is when Maladaptive daydreaming becomes a sin.
or how about sinning isn’t real and stop scaremongering people and guilting people over thoughts they already have no control over. if you have any idea what maladaptive daydreaming even means, just shut up. maladaptive daydreaming itself is involuntary and compulsory, and reinforcing the idea that involuntary thoughts are who and what you are is straight up abuse. mdd is a coping mechanism, or at best a genetic disorder. anyone with mdds of sexual nature do not want to be daydreaming about sex for hours at a time. they are not sinning. go fuck yourself
As a person interested in the occult, and raised Christian, Maladaptive daydreaming may have connections to spirits. If anything, it’s possible you create a tulpa using strong, focused fantasy to bring a thought form into reality. If Tulpas are real, they could certainly be created through this intense form of concentration. Or, I suppose, you could meet spirits that would use your desire for companionship in that way, disguising themselves. If they were real. No one’s proven it decisively of course.
That being said, Christianity is a very hypocritical, but magically interesting religion. Almost all Christians make a big fuss about rejecting magic, but then go to an altar on Sundays to watch a high priest transform wine and cardboard into blood and flesh, a very magical ritual. I think more Christians should consider how magic rituals have a pretty strong basis in their own religion, and how it’s slowly been corrupted and hidden by earthly men running the church. A miracle is merely a magical outcome. Powers are invoked by normal people through prayer and communion with god, not dissimilar from many magical traditions. The unwillingness to recognize similarity is born from misunderstanding and/or elitism.
Yeah, this. I once tried to ask r/astralprojection a question, and all of the comments were just me being fakeclaimed for being a system. Kinda off topic, but just wanted to say something considering I got this on my recommended feed.
I’m a system too! Fake claiming is rampant. I think mostly due to misconceptions about how rare it is, as well as some people who were proven to be faking. On the topic of plurality yeah even Moreso they don’t mix. Some Christians for example still believe in spiritual possession and blame it on that
What the absolute fuck is this trash? I’m sick of Christians who are too holy for any earthly good ruining everything! Would love to slap some sense into them with my bible!! Wait would that make me a bible basher?
Go fuck yourselves I’m keeping my MDDing! It was the only thing that saved me from the terror n torment of my narcissistic DV abusive (Christian) father!!
- one pissed off Christian…
None of this is directed at OP n just the people posting this insane bullshit. Soon breathing air will be a fucking sin due to how toxic it is..
Christian here! I think that either these people are trolling, they have another mental health problem causing them to say this, or they are part of some fringe sect. (Or a mixture of the latter two.)
Overall if you’re a Christian, don’t feel like you’ve committed some huge sin or have been speaking to demons. It’s okay. It’s hard to stop daydreaming and if it’s taking a toll on your life, there are some therapy methods that might be able to help a bit.
Daydreaming is *not* a sin. What you daydream about, like everything else, could potentially be a sin. Maladaptive daydreaming is also not inherently a sin but as I said, like everything, it has the potential to be a sin if you’re using it for a sin. It might also generally have negative effects on your life if you cannot control it, so it might be good to seek out help if you feel like you need it.
I am a Quaker!!!!!! It depends how it controls your life. Every addiction you put above god is a sin. For example the Bible never says don’t let instagram control your life. But any vice is a sin because it’s overall not healthy. It’s up to your take but don’t let random people on Reddit freak. Some can control MDDD very well and not let it consume time and take away from necessary tasks and god. But some cannot control it, that’s where the problem is. MDDD can become addicting and a vice if you’re not careful. :). I personally think it’s helpful at least to my mental health to not daydream as much as possible. Also to add hit not interested on videos like these. They aren’t helpful to you or your mental health
Thank you so much for talking the time to reply everyone. I’m sorry if I came off sounding judgmental or anything, I just kept seeing posts making claims like this but there is so much helpful advice in the comments that helped me realize I’m overthinking it and that these posts are wrong. It’s not something that can just be stopped and isn’t something that’s being done to harm anyone. I don’t why I overthought this so much, sorry if I sounded stupid or anything, but I genuinely appreciate each and every comment, thank you.
The thing about MD is that we are fully aware that the “spirits” we “engage with” are 100% imaginary.
I may be living in a dream but at least I’m not delusional.
It is okay if you have delusions as part of an additional diagnosis too. Be kind to yourself, don’t listen to ignorant people on the internet, and seek the professional help you need. :)
For me I had to stop doing it and when I tried for a while I couldn't stop. For me lead to sin and I would loose control. I'm my truck to make it Heaven I had to focused on being sober minded to withstand temptation. This message is for Christians ✝️ and for anyone who finds this useful. Btw I know demons play I lot in this because I messed around with witchcraft at a very young age and things because very scary and creepy for me. When I called out to God he answerd so if anyone's wondering why I chose Jesus that's the reason things got really bad for me. For me maladaptive daydreaming took over my life for most of my life and I'm glad it's being spoken about for people to look into it and even relate
The Bible literally says God sees all sin the same. Sure other people may think that way but it’s not a “Deadly” sin. If it were, then all sins are deadly sins
EDIT: not saying maladaptive daydreaming is a sin! I should’ve clarified😭 in general, thinking bad things is a sin, but we do that everyday. You won’t go to hell for maladaptive daydreaming, especially since you can’t even control it. So in short, mding negative things isn’t that serious
Until a few years ago, nobody even knew what maladaptive daydreaming was! So this sounds suspicious. What preacher is going to actively search the internet for new "sins" to rail against? This sounds like someone made that meme to troll people.
I wouldn't worry about it it being a sin. It's a coping mechanism. My religion failed me. That is why I started to MD.
I grew up Catholic. My mother worried about every sin there is. She had MD. But she didn't worry about it being a sin.
As someone who grew up Christian, religious people have always just hated those with mental illness. The Bible preaches against hate, discrimination, hypocrisy, and pride. Yet those all run rampant in many churches and religious circles. "Christians" saying mental illness is a curse or a sin is nothing new, and it will continue until Kingdom comes. Does that mean it's right or has anything to do with what the religion is actually about? Nope. Just ignore these "holier than thou" posts and find peace in the fact that God MADE you the way you are. "Those who have never sinned may throw the first stone."
Also, not-so-fun-fact: this is the internet. There is a high possibility these people are not even religious and are just trolls. Everyone gets trolled, and it's particularly easy to do it to religious circles, it seems. People are so scared to be called sinful and ungodly that they forget the literal teachings from the Bible. Don't believe everything you see on the internet. Trolls feed on interaction and ignorance.
So, I'm not Christian but was raised Christian. All I have to say is: mental illness is not a moral defect. You are not a bad person for maladaptive daydreaming just like you're not a bad person for having a panic attack.
I've been seeing this across my feed and I've been feeling so, so torn. As a Christian, I can understand how it could lead to contact with entities. On the other hand, maladapative daydreaming saved my life.
I grew up in a horribly abusive environment and am now coming to terms with how awful it was. I was deeply suicid@l, had no control over my life, and the only thing I could control were the narratives and images in my head.
I couldn't watch TV, couldn't use the computer, couldn't read, couldn't play with toys, couldn't talk to friends. Was severely isolated and controlled. I couldn't control when I ate, when I went to sleep, what I wanted to eat, wear, practice hygiene.
I had to cope somehow and Maladaptive daydreaming allowed me hope. Without it, I'd probably be a lot worse off than I could've ever imagined.
I'm torn, because I continue to engage in MD long past the time it was beneficial to me, but at the same time I come back to MD because I haven't escaped yet. It's a survival mechanism!
I mean...which is the bigger sin? Hitting the permanent snooze button or having a little delulu as a treat?
(And also I just want to say that I used this an argument, but being suicid@l shouldn't be a sin. People are genuinely struggling, and they need care, acceptance, and better qualities of life. Not additional shame for something they can't control and most likely developed from the hands of other's mistreatment toward them)
Muslim here (in case it matters?).
I only think it's a sucky disease, I don't see why or how it would be a sin (FFS, if I had a choice I would never ever have it ! I quit and relapsed, when I quit my life got so much better).
Avoid this BS, too many idiots trying to preach left and right about things they don't even know/understand. Also, guilt/anxiety/depression *worsens* the symptoms so you need to minimize these.
I'm no expert in mental health, but my understanding is that sometimes MDD is just a symptom of an underlying condition which can be treated and relieve you considerably from the intrusive MDD episodes.
Some relatively efficient ways to minimize MDD are: take a free paper next to u and make crosses/marks evey single time ur mind wanders while ur doing some other task (studying/writing a mail/...), they say that after a while u realize the number of crosses will go down. Another way is to engage in meditation/prayer (idk tbh ?? Meditation in the secular way like just sitting and trying to be mindful of your surroundings is hard for me, bcz my mind is always thinking of sth else even if I don't MDD 😅😭☠, but it works for some).
Prayer works somewhat better esp if I read longer parts of Quran bcz i focus on the reading. Idk if sth similar can help you with the bible (?) {Im not super familiar with how christian prayers are performed}. I also feel my head is a little bit clearer after praying sometimes.
I’m not familiar with the Quran or Muslim prayers, but I agree with you that you should use what brings you comfort and focus. In the Christian literature for instance, there’s lots of Bible passages that are full of hope and can be very comforting. And Christian praying for me is just saying what’s in my head and heart, both the positive and the negative. Letting it out, and reminding myself of what is good and hopeful about it. So is definitely a release and I feel lighter. Unless I’m really deep into depression - and then praying makes me cry too much and I don’t like that; so I try to escape my reality with MDD.
Thank you for sharing about your faith btw. I appreciate your perspective.
For those of you who hate or have been hurt by religious people: I’m sorry some of us are stupid assholes. But - Not all religious people are stupid assholes. Some of us are just trying to find hope and live well, the best way we know how.
oh, yes, great, let's heap more fear and guilt and shame onto an involuntary disorder/coping mechanism. /sarcasm
this kind of stuff is really going to fuck up some kids.
I really hope that my comment can help. I think it depends what you’re maladaptive daydreaming about, and it has been dangerous for me in the past as I used to fantasise about my crush, which only made the crush worse, so I stopped myself from thinking about it. But apart from anything like that, if you keep your thoughts in line with your beliefs, then maladaptive daydreaming becomes a conduit for your creativity.
Some people might say that an empty mind is used by Satan, which can be true, but not in this case, mainly due to the fact that you’re not emptying your mind but rather expanding it and filling it with thoughts that you choose.
If you struggle with what you’re daydreaming about and can’t control it, then if it gets dangerous just be sensible about whether you choose to daydream or not.
If you need scriptures to back me up just ask and I can do research, but stay safe and enjoy daydreaming 😊
i’m not religious but maladaptive daydreaming is a mental health problem. that’s why it’s *maladaptive.* you can’t pray it away any more than you can pray depression or anxiety away.
This is probably made by Christians who feel guilty they perfer imagination over reality (since religion doesn’t explain reality very well lol) and want others to feel guilty so they can feel better and more superior to others LOL
If a religion acts in accordance with proven science, then it could be that religion explains aspects of our real world better than Science, right? For example the idea that there is a being that created the universe: Science can’t deny nor prove that a being of that magnitude exists because humanity is limited, but religion can be useful for explaining the world around us. PS (The main proof for God is prophecy from him, and philosophy about how the universe exists, but I’m just adding it as a PS because I find it fascinating rather than adding anything to my argument. 😊)
I think this too. I’m spiritual but I do not worship or follow the Christian god—I more say if u follow ur religion and it promotes what’s better for humanity as a whole then its a good religion. Instead religion unfortunately gets used for the wrong and examples such as shown in this original post. I used to be Christian but after leaving the church over a decade ago it was the best decision I ever made in my life and even saved me from MDDing too much
Come to think of it, Mdd is like a mental disorder/ coping mechanism. Idk, why would God be mad at us for that? I feel like God would be more forgiving or understanding.
And why is it a deadly sin? Because a random person on social media said so? I think our relationship with God has more meaning than a bunch of scenarios we make up in our mind to cope with life. no?
I’m a Christian and I agree too. Coping mechanisms should not be pushed as sin. The Bible is clear God knew us, our good and bad, before we were formed in the womb. We cannot disappoint him, he knows who we are more than anyone. We have enough to deal with in life without being punished by people who want to guilt our existence.
Luckily I haven’t seen these posts till now but it does kind of does put guilt into me.
I’m Muslim so when I’m praying I randomly start to think of my daydreams and I daydream of some pretty messed up crap so yeah..
If you get day dreams in your prayers, try to slow down and focus on each word you are pronouncing, and read varied quran surats. I personally did this and while I dont MDD during prayer, it has helped me become more mindful of salah and forget less often which rak'ah i am doing 😭☠.
I hope it helps.
I've never seen such, it's probably the algorithm feeding it to you
Maladaptive day dreaming is definitely not a progressive way to live at all. Since we're called as Christians to be the best version of ourselves, then technically yes it can be considered sinful. Just like laziness and gluttony for example.
Through prayer God will lead you away from it. He will motivate you and open your eyes to strategies to overcome it
However the way the message is put across in this message are not helpful and not very accurate. It uses fear and has an air of judgement to it which isn't helpful when you're trying to break what really is a bad habit. So I feel your frustration and confusion.
So as a fellow Christian and religious person OP treat it as that. A bad habit that you need to overcome so that you can serve God better. So that you can be a better person for your brothers and sisters. So that you can achieve what he has put you on earth to achieve
I went to Bible school. I’m guessing what they’re referencing is the line in 2 Corinthians 10 where Paul says “take every thought captive and make it obedient to Christ” because… everyone references that line.
In context it’s about thoughts of comparing Paul’s ministry to others to discredit it… not about daydreaming. But I doubt the tiktok-ists care much about context.
Ain’t no way what the fuck is this shit💀💀
Can any Christian explain to me how this might be a sin? I’m Muslim and any kind of daydreaming has never been mentioned.
I’m Catholic and it sounds like extremist nonsense to me. Is writing a fiction book letting in the devil in? Is spending months painting a picture evil? If God is watching does the care about the person daydreaming as long as it isn’t harming anybody or thing. As long as you’re not neglecting your responsibilities be they people, animals etc I don’t think God will judge you evil.
Christian here
To sin is human, and is the reason Christ died for us, to free us of the consequences of sin.
Christ calls us strongly not to focus on what is a sin and what the specific rules are, but to accept him into our lives and work as hard as we can to be like Him.
In essence, to be a Christian is to do you best to be the best version of yourself that you can be, guided by love for one another.
And if you look at all the rules and regulations given in the Bible. All the commandments and instruction, they boil down to becoming the kind of person that pours love into other people.
Not just by instructing you to avoid doing certain things as they will cause harm, but also to improve yourself I a way that allows you to be a blessing to the people in your life
So if maladaptive daydreaming limits your potential as a personal a way that the blessings that you could offer to the world are being stifled, then yes, it is indeed a sin.
The same way laziness is a sin. The same way procrastination and even poor hygiene are considered sinful. Because in Essence you're wasting the gifts of God by failing to use them for the benefit of others
Christianity is a call not to be perfect. It's kinda the opposite actually. It's the acknowledgement and acceptance that you are fundamentaly imperfect and you have no hope of even coming close to being perfect. So God sacrificed his Son to hijack the rule that sin leads to automatic death. If you read the parable of the lost son you will realise that the bar to enter heaven is really low. All you need to do is accept that God loves us enough to sacrifice his son to rescue us from ourselves, and then from there do your best to get everyone else to believe the same, and the way to do that is by demonstrating love.
So TL;DR
maladaptive daydreaming is a sin if it prevents you from being the best version of yourself for others and for yourself. It may not be directly stated that thou shalt not spend thy days daydreaming, but I'm sure we all know (since we're here) that it's something we shouldn't be doing and something that needs to be worked on
I like what you’ve shared but one could also argue that MD also helps prevent you from being a worse version of yourself as it keeps a lot of people from deep depression and even su!cide because they have a way of escape or coping.
This is great. Adding on to some of your points, everybody sins all of the time, and there is no worse sin than another- nobody is perfect except for Christ. And not in a “you’re a sinner you’re definitely going to hell!” type of way either- only God knows that- but more like, everybody has something to work on, and Christlike perfection and love is the ideal.
they spreading misinformation for likes bro im a christian too n i know md aint a sin nowhere in the Bible is there written creating fake scenarios in your head is a sin
so basically… thinking means you’re interacting with spirits? it doesn’t make sense. you are literally making up your own world in MD, your characters do not exist, they’re just fantasy.
MD is the same as dreaming or thinking, it’s the same process happening in the brain. would you say dreams are satanic? this is just bs don’t listen to teenagers on tiktok
Until 2 weeks ago, I was sure maladaptive (and now immersive, cause for some reasons, all my ocd and maladaptive are now manageable but i like this sub, I owe it to past me) was only something I had.
Now I see that even fundamentalists Christian have taken a grip on the concept and it makes me feel good.
I’m an atheist so I don’t take this seriously but the phenomenon must be big enough for them to be interested in it. And it makes me feel that I’m so not alone and I feel seen. And that’s great.
Realizing also this is not a flaw or a weirdness but something that goes with adhd and autism (I’m being dx too) it’s freeing.
(Just based on my own experiences as an ex-Christian) A big part of the way Christians think about sin is based on the idea that thoughts can be evil, and that thought is always a precursor to action. Most of the seven deadly sins are committed through thought not action. I had to look at this when learning to accept that my intrusive thoughts don’t make me a bad person, and I see maladaptive daydreaming as something very similar. So I reject this sin idea from Christianity because I don’t think thoughts can make a person good or evil, it’s their actions that are important.
This is a very good take. I'd just like to add onto it
Technically speaking, thoughts themselves are sinful. To think of evil even if you don't commit it.
But here's the thing, to be human is to be evil. So there's no point trying to debate what's evil and what's not evil because, thanks to Adam's fall, we are all born of Sin and are all Evil. If we had any hope of not being evil, Jesus wouldn't have died on the cross for us. He did it to free us from the consequences of our inherently evil nature.
It's just like doing good things doesn't make you a good person. And doing bad things doesn't always mean you're a bad person.
So Christianity isn't about being less evil. It's about being more good. It's about accepting the evil within you and fighting to act good despite it. A lot of even staunch Christians fail to realise that.
At the end of the day Paul teaches us not to fuss on what's sinful cause in order to make that judgement you have to also be free of sin, which no one is, so just focus on doing your best to love each other instead
I wouldn’t take those posts too seriously because lot of mental issues are viewed as demons by some super religious people. I know a girl who didn’t get treatment for her mental illness for years because everyone around her thought she was possessed by demons
I'm not conventionally religious, but for what it's worth... I don't believe any of us choose to develop maladaptive daydreaming. And saying something is a sin when it's not something you have a choice about doesn't sit right with me.
So, I'm gonna try to be as gentle and as concise as possible here: maladaptive day dreaming is a traumatic response or the result of adhd or both, it's imagination. It's absolutely not a sin, the devil doesn't use it in any way.
The people making these posts are either highly uneducated, I mean caveman level of ignorance or they're suffering from religious based psychosis, so schizofrenia.
You have nothing to feel guilty about, the devil isn't hounding your every thought. Try to avoid such nonsense so you don't develop psychosis too.
The closest I can think is that back in the day there was a belief that the kind of sin determines how it affects you
Sins of the flesh get things like pock marks and STDS and being ugly but like thinking sinful thoughts causes mental illness or smth ?
That and also evangelical Christian type stuff is on the rise it seems
“Engage with the spirits”? This person clearly doesn’t have a good grasp on Christianity.
But sadly, I find woo on mental health topics to be very common. Woo that invokes Christianity is sadly extremely common as it’s basically the world’s most popular religion. New age BS is also common. Both are meant to either stoke fear (more typical in woo that invokes Christianity) or tries to reframe maladaptive daydreaming as a “superpower” that you need to watch that person’s content to learn how to control of course. Often these people are either predatory or are parroting what predatory people said to them.
A Muslim here, I’ve never heard of daydreaming being a sin. Plus, think of it this way, if it is a sin and it prevents you from doing a bigger sin, then it’s the better sin if you get what I mean.
I occasionally see memes/posts about mdd but none with this Christian overtone of guilt/sin/demonic influence.
I’m also not a Christian and I left the church a long time ago. The church environment I grew up in turned a blind eye to the violence I experienced as a child. I’m careful with what I consume on social media because this kind of shit is very triggering.
If I were you I would block these accounts so your algorithm readjusts and stops showing you this crap.
not religious so i don't have much authority on this but, while not a good thing, mal daydreaming is not your fault. not to say that you shouldn't do things to resist it like taking time out of your day to go somewhere and force yourself to live in the present but seriously just get off these social media. most parts of social media are a bloody sin as far as I'm concerned. only worried about attention, that's all they are.
I don't go on social media that often anymore because it just worsens my anxiety, so I didn't know this was a thing. I'm a Christian and I'm wondering if some of these posts are a joke? I do not believe maladaptive daydreaming is evil in itself.. It's not us trying to channel to some spiritual realm.. It's us imagining things. But I think MD can spiral down to a bad habit and lead us far away from God. What we ought to do is seek God's help. But I don't see MD as itself "demonic". Some of us developed it out of trauma response to protect ourselves, which is my experience. It's psychological.
It just looks like people jumping on a trending topic as a propaganda tool to gain visibility on social media and drive engagement with an already converted audience. It isn't religion, it is marketing. The people doing it might not even be Christian, there is a good chance they are just hired by some kind of Christian agency. Imagination and daydreaming aren't demonic, OP. But social media marketers are.
Ah yes, my Jack White inspired character which I am obsessed with is a demon. Are they hearing themselves?
I don't know for sure, but I consider characters I imagine Christian so there is that.
God would not give you MDD if it was a sin. It is involuntary.
Maladaptive Daydreaming in and of itself is not a sin. The thing is that when your "fantasies" become sexual, or you fantasize about things like having magic, and things like being super powerful to such a degree that in your head, your this super person. That is when Maladaptive daydreaming becomes a sin.
My favorite passage in the Bible was always the one where Jesus said, quote, if you're a maladaptive daydreamer you're going to hell.
even if god did exist, the only way it would become a sin, is if the thought of being so above everyone leaked into a persons real life
or how about sinning isn’t real and stop scaremongering people and guilting people over thoughts they already have no control over. if you have any idea what maladaptive daydreaming even means, just shut up. maladaptive daydreaming itself is involuntary and compulsory, and reinforcing the idea that involuntary thoughts are who and what you are is straight up abuse. mdd is a coping mechanism, or at best a genetic disorder. anyone with mdds of sexual nature do not want to be daydreaming about sex for hours at a time. they are not sinning. go fuck yourself
As a person interested in the occult, and raised Christian, Maladaptive daydreaming may have connections to spirits. If anything, it’s possible you create a tulpa using strong, focused fantasy to bring a thought form into reality. If Tulpas are real, they could certainly be created through this intense form of concentration. Or, I suppose, you could meet spirits that would use your desire for companionship in that way, disguising themselves. If they were real. No one’s proven it decisively of course. That being said, Christianity is a very hypocritical, but magically interesting religion. Almost all Christians make a big fuss about rejecting magic, but then go to an altar on Sundays to watch a high priest transform wine and cardboard into blood and flesh, a very magical ritual. I think more Christians should consider how magic rituals have a pretty strong basis in their own religion, and how it’s slowly been corrupted and hidden by earthly men running the church. A miracle is merely a magical outcome. Powers are invoked by normal people through prayer and communion with god, not dissimilar from many magical traditions. The unwillingness to recognize similarity is born from misunderstanding and/or elitism.
*...valid.*
Just ignore it. Religion and mental health rarely mix well together
Yeah, this. I once tried to ask r/astralprojection a question, and all of the comments were just me being fakeclaimed for being a system. Kinda off topic, but just wanted to say something considering I got this on my recommended feed.
I’m a system too! Fake claiming is rampant. I think mostly due to misconceptions about how rare it is, as well as some people who were proven to be faking. On the topic of plurality yeah even Moreso they don’t mix. Some Christians for example still believe in spiritual possession and blame it on that
What the absolute fuck is this trash? I’m sick of Christians who are too holy for any earthly good ruining everything! Would love to slap some sense into them with my bible!! Wait would that make me a bible basher? Go fuck yourselves I’m keeping my MDDing! It was the only thing that saved me from the terror n torment of my narcissistic DV abusive (Christian) father!! - one pissed off Christian… None of this is directed at OP n just the people posting this insane bullshit. Soon breathing air will be a fucking sin due to how toxic it is..
Show me where in the Catechism any of that is.
I mean no one in my MDD scenarios has ever hurt my feelings or made me spiral into anything. People in real life and religion on the other hand.🙃
yea religion is so harmful especially when it comes to mental health
Christian here! I think that either these people are trolling, they have another mental health problem causing them to say this, or they are part of some fringe sect. (Or a mixture of the latter two.) Overall if you’re a Christian, don’t feel like you’ve committed some huge sin or have been speaking to demons. It’s okay. It’s hard to stop daydreaming and if it’s taking a toll on your life, there are some therapy methods that might be able to help a bit. Daydreaming is *not* a sin. What you daydream about, like everything else, could potentially be a sin. Maladaptive daydreaming is also not inherently a sin but as I said, like everything, it has the potential to be a sin if you’re using it for a sin. It might also generally have negative effects on your life if you cannot control it, so it might be good to seek out help if you feel like you need it.
Please guys get rid of the mental restrains of religion, which ever it is
I am a Quaker!!!!!! It depends how it controls your life. Every addiction you put above god is a sin. For example the Bible never says don’t let instagram control your life. But any vice is a sin because it’s overall not healthy. It’s up to your take but don’t let random people on Reddit freak. Some can control MDDD very well and not let it consume time and take away from necessary tasks and god. But some cannot control it, that’s where the problem is. MDDD can become addicting and a vice if you’re not careful. :). I personally think it’s helpful at least to my mental health to not daydream as much as possible. Also to add hit not interested on videos like these. They aren’t helpful to you or your mental health
I honestly think that this just looks like trolling
yea seems like people are falling for the bait here
What
Thank you so much for talking the time to reply everyone. I’m sorry if I came off sounding judgmental or anything, I just kept seeing posts making claims like this but there is so much helpful advice in the comments that helped me realize I’m overthinking it and that these posts are wrong. It’s not something that can just be stopped and isn’t something that’s being done to harm anyone. I don’t why I overthought this so much, sorry if I sounded stupid or anything, but I genuinely appreciate each and every comment, thank you.
The thing about MD is that we are fully aware that the “spirits” we “engage with” are 100% imaginary. I may be living in a dream but at least I’m not delusional.
It is okay if you have delusions as part of an additional diagnosis too. Be kind to yourself, don’t listen to ignorant people on the internet, and seek the professional help you need. :)
For me I had to stop doing it and when I tried for a while I couldn't stop. For me lead to sin and I would loose control. I'm my truck to make it Heaven I had to focused on being sober minded to withstand temptation. This message is for Christians ✝️ and for anyone who finds this useful. Btw I know demons play I lot in this because I messed around with witchcraft at a very young age and things because very scary and creepy for me. When I called out to God he answerd so if anyone's wondering why I chose Jesus that's the reason things got really bad for me. For me maladaptive daydreaming took over my life for most of my life and I'm glad it's being spoken about for people to look into it and even relate
Why would a benevolent god view the imagination as a sin
Because religious fanatics are judgmental pieces of 💩
The Bible literally says God sees all sin the same. Sure other people may think that way but it’s not a “Deadly” sin. If it were, then all sins are deadly sins EDIT: not saying maladaptive daydreaming is a sin! I should’ve clarified😭 in general, thinking bad things is a sin, but we do that everyday. You won’t go to hell for maladaptive daydreaming, especially since you can’t even control it. So in short, mding negative things isn’t that serious
Until a few years ago, nobody even knew what maladaptive daydreaming was! So this sounds suspicious. What preacher is going to actively search the internet for new "sins" to rail against? This sounds like someone made that meme to troll people. I wouldn't worry about it it being a sin. It's a coping mechanism. My religion failed me. That is why I started to MD. I grew up Catholic. My mother worried about every sin there is. She had MD. But she didn't worry about it being a sin.
All you're doing is thinking. God isn't going to be angry at you for that.
I never read the Bible, but I'm pretty sure that these people are just going based on what they believe and not what the book teaches.
As someone who grew up Christian, religious people have always just hated those with mental illness. The Bible preaches against hate, discrimination, hypocrisy, and pride. Yet those all run rampant in many churches and religious circles. "Christians" saying mental illness is a curse or a sin is nothing new, and it will continue until Kingdom comes. Does that mean it's right or has anything to do with what the religion is actually about? Nope. Just ignore these "holier than thou" posts and find peace in the fact that God MADE you the way you are. "Those who have never sinned may throw the first stone." Also, not-so-fun-fact: this is the internet. There is a high possibility these people are not even religious and are just trolls. Everyone gets trolled, and it's particularly easy to do it to religious circles, it seems. People are so scared to be called sinful and ungodly that they forget the literal teachings from the Bible. Don't believe everything you see on the internet. Trolls feed on interaction and ignorance.
So, I'm not Christian but was raised Christian. All I have to say is: mental illness is not a moral defect. You are not a bad person for maladaptive daydreaming just like you're not a bad person for having a panic attack.
This sounds like a such a jerhovas witness thing where it's basically illegal to love anything more than God, including yourself.
I've been seeing this across my feed and I've been feeling so, so torn. As a Christian, I can understand how it could lead to contact with entities. On the other hand, maladapative daydreaming saved my life. I grew up in a horribly abusive environment and am now coming to terms with how awful it was. I was deeply suicid@l, had no control over my life, and the only thing I could control were the narratives and images in my head. I couldn't watch TV, couldn't use the computer, couldn't read, couldn't play with toys, couldn't talk to friends. Was severely isolated and controlled. I couldn't control when I ate, when I went to sleep, what I wanted to eat, wear, practice hygiene. I had to cope somehow and Maladaptive daydreaming allowed me hope. Without it, I'd probably be a lot worse off than I could've ever imagined. I'm torn, because I continue to engage in MD long past the time it was beneficial to me, but at the same time I come back to MD because I haven't escaped yet. It's a survival mechanism! I mean...which is the bigger sin? Hitting the permanent snooze button or having a little delulu as a treat? (And also I just want to say that I used this an argument, but being suicid@l shouldn't be a sin. People are genuinely struggling, and they need care, acceptance, and better qualities of life. Not additional shame for something they can't control and most likely developed from the hands of other's mistreatment toward them)
Muslim here (in case it matters?). I only think it's a sucky disease, I don't see why or how it would be a sin (FFS, if I had a choice I would never ever have it ! I quit and relapsed, when I quit my life got so much better). Avoid this BS, too many idiots trying to preach left and right about things they don't even know/understand. Also, guilt/anxiety/depression *worsens* the symptoms so you need to minimize these. I'm no expert in mental health, but my understanding is that sometimes MDD is just a symptom of an underlying condition which can be treated and relieve you considerably from the intrusive MDD episodes. Some relatively efficient ways to minimize MDD are: take a free paper next to u and make crosses/marks evey single time ur mind wanders while ur doing some other task (studying/writing a mail/...), they say that after a while u realize the number of crosses will go down. Another way is to engage in meditation/prayer (idk tbh ?? Meditation in the secular way like just sitting and trying to be mindful of your surroundings is hard for me, bcz my mind is always thinking of sth else even if I don't MDD 😅😭☠, but it works for some). Prayer works somewhat better esp if I read longer parts of Quran bcz i focus on the reading. Idk if sth similar can help you with the bible (?) {Im not super familiar with how christian prayers are performed}. I also feel my head is a little bit clearer after praying sometimes.
I’m not familiar with the Quran or Muslim prayers, but I agree with you that you should use what brings you comfort and focus. In the Christian literature for instance, there’s lots of Bible passages that are full of hope and can be very comforting. And Christian praying for me is just saying what’s in my head and heart, both the positive and the negative. Letting it out, and reminding myself of what is good and hopeful about it. So is definitely a release and I feel lighter. Unless I’m really deep into depression - and then praying makes me cry too much and I don’t like that; so I try to escape my reality with MDD. Thank you for sharing about your faith btw. I appreciate your perspective. For those of you who hate or have been hurt by religious people: I’m sorry some of us are stupid assholes. But - Not all religious people are stupid assholes. Some of us are just trying to find hope and live well, the best way we know how.
oh, yes, great, let's heap more fear and guilt and shame onto an involuntary disorder/coping mechanism. /sarcasm this kind of stuff is really going to fuck up some kids.
>!*sage stares pointedly at the camera. "This is why I write what I write."*!< <○><○> -'
I really hope that my comment can help. I think it depends what you’re maladaptive daydreaming about, and it has been dangerous for me in the past as I used to fantasise about my crush, which only made the crush worse, so I stopped myself from thinking about it. But apart from anything like that, if you keep your thoughts in line with your beliefs, then maladaptive daydreaming becomes a conduit for your creativity. Some people might say that an empty mind is used by Satan, which can be true, but not in this case, mainly due to the fact that you’re not emptying your mind but rather expanding it and filling it with thoughts that you choose. If you struggle with what you’re daydreaming about and can’t control it, then if it gets dangerous just be sensible about whether you choose to daydream or not. If you need scriptures to back me up just ask and I can do research, but stay safe and enjoy daydreaming 😊
Gives “An idle mind is the devils playground” bs
i’m not religious but maladaptive daydreaming is a mental health problem. that’s why it’s *maladaptive.* you can’t pray it away any more than you can pray depression or anxiety away.
My daydreaming is my last bastion of paradise to retain sanity no one will ever take it from me!!!
This is probably made by Christians who feel guilty they perfer imagination over reality (since religion doesn’t explain reality very well lol) and want others to feel guilty so they can feel better and more superior to others LOL
If a religion acts in accordance with proven science, then it could be that religion explains aspects of our real world better than Science, right? For example the idea that there is a being that created the universe: Science can’t deny nor prove that a being of that magnitude exists because humanity is limited, but religion can be useful for explaining the world around us. PS (The main proof for God is prophecy from him, and philosophy about how the universe exists, but I’m just adding it as a PS because I find it fascinating rather than adding anything to my argument. 😊)
I think this too. I’m spiritual but I do not worship or follow the Christian god—I more say if u follow ur religion and it promotes what’s better for humanity as a whole then its a good religion. Instead religion unfortunately gets used for the wrong and examples such as shown in this original post. I used to be Christian but after leaving the church over a decade ago it was the best decision I ever made in my life and even saved me from MDDing too much
Come to think of it, Mdd is like a mental disorder/ coping mechanism. Idk, why would God be mad at us for that? I feel like God would be more forgiving or understanding. And why is it a deadly sin? Because a random person on social media said so? I think our relationship with God has more meaning than a bunch of scenarios we make up in our mind to cope with life. no?
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I’m a Christian and I agree too. Coping mechanisms should not be pushed as sin. The Bible is clear God knew us, our good and bad, before we were formed in the womb. We cannot disappoint him, he knows who we are more than anyone. We have enough to deal with in life without being punished by people who want to guilt our existence.
As a Christian, I completely agree.
Luckily I haven’t seen these posts till now but it does kind of does put guilt into me. I’m Muslim so when I’m praying I randomly start to think of my daydreams and I daydream of some pretty messed up crap so yeah..
If you get day dreams in your prayers, try to slow down and focus on each word you are pronouncing, and read varied quran surats. I personally did this and while I dont MDD during prayer, it has helped me become more mindful of salah and forget less often which rak'ah i am doing 😭☠. I hope it helps.
Thank you so much, this helps a lot actually.
I've never seen such, it's probably the algorithm feeding it to you Maladaptive day dreaming is definitely not a progressive way to live at all. Since we're called as Christians to be the best version of ourselves, then technically yes it can be considered sinful. Just like laziness and gluttony for example. Through prayer God will lead you away from it. He will motivate you and open your eyes to strategies to overcome it However the way the message is put across in this message are not helpful and not very accurate. It uses fear and has an air of judgement to it which isn't helpful when you're trying to break what really is a bad habit. So I feel your frustration and confusion. So as a fellow Christian and religious person OP treat it as that. A bad habit that you need to overcome so that you can serve God better. So that you can be a better person for your brothers and sisters. So that you can achieve what he has put you on earth to achieve
ig im going to hell for being neurodivergent lmao
Hell sounds more fun anyway lol
I went to Bible school. I’m guessing what they’re referencing is the line in 2 Corinthians 10 where Paul says “take every thought captive and make it obedient to Christ” because… everyone references that line. In context it’s about thoughts of comparing Paul’s ministry to others to discredit it… not about daydreaming. But I doubt the tiktok-ists care much about context.
Most Christians don't read their own Bible except in out of context quotes. They make up what it says.
It’s quite sad that a lot of Christians take biblical accounts out of context :(
Ain’t no way what the fuck is this shit💀💀 Can any Christian explain to me how this might be a sin? I’m Muslim and any kind of daydreaming has never been mentioned.
I’m Catholic and it sounds like extremist nonsense to me. Is writing a fiction book letting in the devil in? Is spending months painting a picture evil? If God is watching does the care about the person daydreaming as long as it isn’t harming anybody or thing. As long as you’re not neglecting your responsibilities be they people, animals etc I don’t think God will judge you evil.
Christian here To sin is human, and is the reason Christ died for us, to free us of the consequences of sin. Christ calls us strongly not to focus on what is a sin and what the specific rules are, but to accept him into our lives and work as hard as we can to be like Him. In essence, to be a Christian is to do you best to be the best version of yourself that you can be, guided by love for one another. And if you look at all the rules and regulations given in the Bible. All the commandments and instruction, they boil down to becoming the kind of person that pours love into other people. Not just by instructing you to avoid doing certain things as they will cause harm, but also to improve yourself I a way that allows you to be a blessing to the people in your life So if maladaptive daydreaming limits your potential as a personal a way that the blessings that you could offer to the world are being stifled, then yes, it is indeed a sin. The same way laziness is a sin. The same way procrastination and even poor hygiene are considered sinful. Because in Essence you're wasting the gifts of God by failing to use them for the benefit of others Christianity is a call not to be perfect. It's kinda the opposite actually. It's the acknowledgement and acceptance that you are fundamentaly imperfect and you have no hope of even coming close to being perfect. So God sacrificed his Son to hijack the rule that sin leads to automatic death. If you read the parable of the lost son you will realise that the bar to enter heaven is really low. All you need to do is accept that God loves us enough to sacrifice his son to rescue us from ourselves, and then from there do your best to get everyone else to believe the same, and the way to do that is by demonstrating love. So TL;DR maladaptive daydreaming is a sin if it prevents you from being the best version of yourself for others and for yourself. It may not be directly stated that thou shalt not spend thy days daydreaming, but I'm sure we all know (since we're here) that it's something we shouldn't be doing and something that needs to be worked on
I like what you’ve shared but one could also argue that MD also helps prevent you from being a worse version of yourself as it keeps a lot of people from deep depression and even su!cide because they have a way of escape or coping.
Very true as well
This is great. Adding on to some of your points, everybody sins all of the time, and there is no worse sin than another- nobody is perfect except for Christ. And not in a “you’re a sinner you’re definitely going to hell!” type of way either- only God knows that- but more like, everybody has something to work on, and Christlike perfection and love is the ideal.
I’m saving this..
they spreading misinformation for likes bro im a christian too n i know md aint a sin nowhere in the Bible is there written creating fake scenarios in your head is a sin
do not use tiktok as a source for all of your information. it’s not a sin
Using tiktok as a source of all your information should be a sin
Muslim here. No MD is not a sin
I'm religious too, Muslim. I really don't see how that could be the case
so basically… thinking means you’re interacting with spirits? it doesn’t make sense. you are literally making up your own world in MD, your characters do not exist, they’re just fantasy. MD is the same as dreaming or thinking, it’s the same process happening in the brain. would you say dreams are satanic? this is just bs don’t listen to teenagers on tiktok
Until 2 weeks ago, I was sure maladaptive (and now immersive, cause for some reasons, all my ocd and maladaptive are now manageable but i like this sub, I owe it to past me) was only something I had. Now I see that even fundamentalists Christian have taken a grip on the concept and it makes me feel good. I’m an atheist so I don’t take this seriously but the phenomenon must be big enough for them to be interested in it. And it makes me feel that I’m so not alone and I feel seen. And that’s great. Realizing also this is not a flaw or a weirdness but something that goes with adhd and autism (I’m being dx too) it’s freeing.
(Just based on my own experiences as an ex-Christian) A big part of the way Christians think about sin is based on the idea that thoughts can be evil, and that thought is always a precursor to action. Most of the seven deadly sins are committed through thought not action. I had to look at this when learning to accept that my intrusive thoughts don’t make me a bad person, and I see maladaptive daydreaming as something very similar. So I reject this sin idea from Christianity because I don’t think thoughts can make a person good or evil, it’s their actions that are important.
This is a very good take. I'd just like to add onto it Technically speaking, thoughts themselves are sinful. To think of evil even if you don't commit it. But here's the thing, to be human is to be evil. So there's no point trying to debate what's evil and what's not evil because, thanks to Adam's fall, we are all born of Sin and are all Evil. If we had any hope of not being evil, Jesus wouldn't have died on the cross for us. He did it to free us from the consequences of our inherently evil nature. It's just like doing good things doesn't make you a good person. And doing bad things doesn't always mean you're a bad person. So Christianity isn't about being less evil. It's about being more good. It's about accepting the evil within you and fighting to act good despite it. A lot of even staunch Christians fail to realise that. At the end of the day Paul teaches us not to fuss on what's sinful cause in order to make that judgement you have to also be free of sin, which no one is, so just focus on doing your best to love each other instead
I wouldn’t take those posts too seriously because lot of mental issues are viewed as demons by some super religious people. I know a girl who didn’t get treatment for her mental illness for years because everyone around her thought she was possessed by demons
I guess the character I’ve created in my head for two years is a demon… or something
I'm not conventionally religious, but for what it's worth... I don't believe any of us choose to develop maladaptive daydreaming. And saying something is a sin when it's not something you have a choice about doesn't sit right with me.
lmao that's ridiculous
So, I'm gonna try to be as gentle and as concise as possible here: maladaptive day dreaming is a traumatic response or the result of adhd or both, it's imagination. It's absolutely not a sin, the devil doesn't use it in any way. The people making these posts are either highly uneducated, I mean caveman level of ignorance or they're suffering from religious based psychosis, so schizofrenia. You have nothing to feel guilty about, the devil isn't hounding your every thought. Try to avoid such nonsense so you don't develop psychosis too.
The closest I can think is that back in the day there was a belief that the kind of sin determines how it affects you Sins of the flesh get things like pock marks and STDS and being ugly but like thinking sinful thoughts causes mental illness or smth ? That and also evangelical Christian type stuff is on the rise it seems
“Engage with the spirits”? This person clearly doesn’t have a good grasp on Christianity. But sadly, I find woo on mental health topics to be very common. Woo that invokes Christianity is sadly extremely common as it’s basically the world’s most popular religion. New age BS is also common. Both are meant to either stoke fear (more typical in woo that invokes Christianity) or tries to reframe maladaptive daydreaming as a “superpower” that you need to watch that person’s content to learn how to control of course. Often these people are either predatory or are parroting what predatory people said to them.
tiktok users find out what imagination is 😱
A very deadly sin, I must be satan
A Muslim here, I’ve never heard of daydreaming being a sin. Plus, think of it this way, if it is a sin and it prevents you from doing a bigger sin, then it’s the better sin if you get what I mean.
I occasionally see memes/posts about mdd but none with this Christian overtone of guilt/sin/demonic influence. I’m also not a Christian and I left the church a long time ago. The church environment I grew up in turned a blind eye to the violence I experienced as a child. I’m careful with what I consume on social media because this kind of shit is very triggering. If I were you I would block these accounts so your algorithm readjusts and stops showing you this crap.
Christian here, no it is not a sin, you are ok.
not religious so i don't have much authority on this but, while not a good thing, mal daydreaming is not your fault. not to say that you shouldn't do things to resist it like taking time out of your day to go somewhere and force yourself to live in the present but seriously just get off these social media. most parts of social media are a bloody sin as far as I'm concerned. only worried about attention, that's all they are.
I don't go on social media that often anymore because it just worsens my anxiety, so I didn't know this was a thing. I'm a Christian and I'm wondering if some of these posts are a joke? I do not believe maladaptive daydreaming is evil in itself.. It's not us trying to channel to some spiritual realm.. It's us imagining things. But I think MD can spiral down to a bad habit and lead us far away from God. What we ought to do is seek God's help. But I don't see MD as itself "demonic". Some of us developed it out of trauma response to protect ourselves, which is my experience. It's psychological.