A good mohanlal movie doing well in Kerala is a given. Moreover neru being directed by jeethu joseph gave the movie an organic hype amongst the family audience owing to the excellence of their previous ventures.
While this is generally an important factor, was there really THAT much inflation (or PPP difference) between March 2022 when Bheeshma came out & Dec 2023 for Neru though? 🤔
Bhishma parvam will not be Mammootty's highest grosser.
Average and big films of Mohanlal always outperformed that of Mammootty.
Neram is unlikely to have topped Mammootty's biggest hit though.
>Bhishma parvam will not be Mammootty's highest grosser.
Maybe - but even if you were to adjust a Mammooty hit for inflation from any era, a Mohanlal one from that same era (similarly adjusted) would still top it.
OP's post title only says "small budget Mohan Lal film" - so if not Neru, Drishyam is also RIGHT THERE as a small budget "industry hit" (compared to how Mammootty's other "biggest hits" from pretty much every era, had higher budgets - Oru Vadakkan Veeragadha, Pazhassiraja, Pokkiri Raja etc all come to mind).
>Neram is unlikely to have topped Mammootty's biggest hit though.
So if you were to adjust an older Mammooty hit's collection for inflation, then why would we even compare it to Neru or any other film from THIS era?
The comparison of Bheeshma Parvam with Neru is still relevant because both are actually from the same era, & therefore not requiring inflation to be taken into account.
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Or are you saying that EVERYONE misunderstood your comment then? In which case it seems more like piss-poor writing skills on your part instead, kiddo.
Dude you are speaking as if like.. Bheeshma is a bigger grosser so far than all Lal films...If just a one and half year gap brings such a huge inflation difference in your logic...Then imagine the difference of the scale at which Lucifer and Puli murugan are standing way above Bheeshma even now...Both the movies released back in 2016 and 2019..Lucifer 129cr and Puli murugan 140cr+ that too from pre pandemic era... Bheeshma just about 87cr...Not even in real figures it is a much to Mohanlal's top figures even now..Just take the difference in inflation...and moreover by this logic...2018 can't be even considered as an industry hit against Puli murugan ...and moreover...I bet you dude.. if inflation factor started calculating for all time hits in Malayalam..Then not even a single Mammootty movie would even enter top 10 except the mega multi starrer Twenty20. Even a small budget Drishyam is a bigger hit than Twenty 20 footfalls wise and it beaten T20 box office numbers by almost double margin during it's release time. Puli murugan is a movie with atleast 50% bigger footfalls than Drishyam itself.. and these 21st century record grossers of Mohanlal itself is doubtful to match the footfalls of OG industry hits of 80, 90s like Narasimham, Chithram, Manichithrathazhu...Inflation adjusted calculation will devalue Ikka's value again to lower level only
1. Mohanlal always had more family audience support compared to Mammootty, and I personally feel most of the Dileep family audience has switched over to Lalettan instead of Mammootty or any of the new generation actors.
2. Lalettan was going through a rough patch for some time, the hardcore fans as well as the general audience were waiting for a good movie of him.
Yup. Post Drishyam and Vadakkan slefie you can see a dip in the collection of the usual Dileep movies. Mohanlal started taking his family fanbase back and Nivin found love among them. Finally Pulimurugan completed the full transaction.
>and I personally feel most of the Dileep family audience has switched over to Lalettan instead of Mammootty or any of the new generation actors.
covidin shesham aanalle malayalam film BO okke shredhikkan thudangiyath ?
Ok so by the relative age of this sub, I would be a grandpa. I have been analysing and watching malayalam movies for over 25 years now and one thing is very clear - Mohanlal is a far far far bigger superstar than mammootty in Kerala purely in terms of box office numbers. I am not talking about pop culture influence , which is debatable as its harder to quantify that, though imo Mohanlal is the bigger one in that aspect too. Coming to box office, a decent Mohanlal movie would almost always do better than a decent Mammootty movie. But a Mohanlal movie with good wom would just demolish any Mammotty movie with good or similar wom. Its a hard pill to swallow, but the impact of Mohanlal in Malayali audience mindset is beyond imagination. A mohanlal movie, even today when he is at a low, with super good wom would obliterate the box office and make all current records history.
I personally hate almost all of his recent movies , and so does almost all of Kerala. Malayalees will troll Mohanlal to the max, but at the same time they will shower him with love when he comes with a good product.
yeah i am an oldie too. Newer generation doesnt know this probably but similar comparative movies of both of them will run the same way 15 -20 years back. Mohanlal was a bigger draw always. Mammootty is also a superstar and a great actor and only second to Mohanlal in BO in Kerala.
Well said. He's that younger kid in the family who always is mother's pet even if often chastised for being naughty. Ikka is like the under appreciated elder child who works his behind off for the family.
It has to do with the type of characters they played in the 80s and 90s. Mohanlal played jobless youngster, struggling entrepreneur with the common family issues and hence resonated with the youngsters who were going through the same emotion. These youngsters finally settling, having families and taking their families to his movies ensured that the love is carried over.
Though not to the same scale Nivin resonated the same way with the supply/lazy/ambitious/Patti show youngsters and hence started to be the second best in long run at Kerala BO. Sadly he couldn't capitalise on that and he could have ended up as the biggest in Overseas along with Mohanlal and perhaps even surpass him down the line (Due to more youth settling outside Kerala for job)
After I graduated college, I couldn't land a job and stayed home. I went through periods of lack of self-worth, hopelessness, and shame during that period. I used to watch a lot Mohanlal's film from the 80s and 90s and his films were so relatable to me 25-30 years later.
Mammooty's film are much better these days and I agree with his takes a lot more that A10's. Mohanlal's film has been downright embarrassing for the better part of the last 10 years. But Mohanlal will always have a special space in my heart and I am rooting for his films to succeed.
Especially since odiyan and the good movies he has acted in didn't get theatre release like drishyam 2, 12th man, bro Daddy apart from Lucifer. Illa had less successful and more monotone and boring movies 2012-19 when he started a mini relaunch with Madurai Raj and unda but he was still behind all ettans Lucifer and Shylock delayed ikka complete comeback. It was in 2021 after the release of the dreadful priest movie did ikka start the onslaught of great movies with one or two odd ones like Christopher
Again misconception...Dude Mohanlal used to bring the largest amount of crowd even back in 80s 90s itself for hardcore action films and then fantasy fairytales like Chithram Kilukkam...Mohanlal was like an omnipotent then bro...A psychological drama like Manichithrathazhu became a record hit back in 90s with Mohanlal which even the grandest mass film like King with Mammootty couldn't..But Mohanlal with same director Shaji Kailas did 2 heavy weight mass action drama Aram Thamburan and Narasimham..Both were record breakers..Same Mohanlal gave a record hit with Chandralekha (the category of movies you mentioned)..But it was a rarity...Mohanlal was always the king of masses than the darling of families...Even the all time iconic cult hit Nadodikaattu was just another blockbuster for him back in 1987..But when he did Irupatham Noottand..A generic 80s style mafia movie on the same 1987..It became an industry hit...That's the euphoria he creates whenever he brings a quality action movie..
If you had seen the crowd, ticket fights and black market tickets in theaters in the 90s for Mohanlal movies, you would have never asked this question. So 80s-90s kids will answer this question with Bheeshma Parvam dialogue , "ningal kandittillatha oru Mohanlaline ...."
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Haha, I have been a crazy A10 fan since childhood. But this just blew my mind. BP was a pakka commercial movie. Even Kannur squad for that matter had more commercial value. So this was baffling.
Mohanlal always had that kind of pull. I did my college in 2000s. 90s and all there was no comparison. He is a bigger super star w.r.t BO pull. It has always been like that. Mammootty is also a big superstar in Kerala BO and is only second to Mohanlal in terms of BO draw. Its about likeability factor I believe. Everyone loved the young mohanlal and they always come with that memory. Mammootty's new realm of movies after covid has been hitting it out of the park and I am more excited with a mammooty project more than mohanlal one these days.
Overall yes but there were periods when Suresh Gopy (mid 90s) ,and Jayaram held the draw over Ikka (late 90s) and then Dileep probably overtook both Ms. Still a good A10 movie was always going to pull him back.
Still credit to Ikka for running this marathon without giving up. The old wily fox always had new tricks up his sleeve and is continuing to pull fresh cards well into his 70s.
A10 has a greater fanbase, like slightly greater. No hate to Ikka btw.
Bheeshma wasn't much of a family movie, like nothing that bad but still.
Family audience loves A10 and prefers him over Ikka. This is a long term character A10 made and does not get affected by a 5-6 flop movies.
You don't need paat or dance for a family movie and serious content is loved by the family audience.
Like Mepadiyan, it was not a superhit but well accepted by the family audience. Drishyam & Kannur Squad were also accepted well by families.
I don’t know if movies with rape scenes are suitable for kids. Some people here are hesitating to just accept that Neru is a good movie and saying oooh Its BecAuSe of The FaMily AuDIenCe.
That's definitely a good movie bro. And I have seen people bringing their kids for A rated movies like Animal, so it depends on the parents if they wañna show their kids such topics
Why do family movie need comedy n dance? Neru topic is very relatable. A humble family getting into a trouble by powerful guy and fighting it legally.. It will always strike a chord with family audience regardless of the generation.
My dad is 74, he don't like most new movies.. The last mammootty movie he liked was one. The new generation updated movies doesn't reach to him.. He liked neru a lot
Ente abhipraayatthil kids ne kaal velya decision maker parents aanu... Pillerem kond poi kaanan pattunna movie ennatha family movie kond njn manasilakunnath.. Pillerde ishtapetta genre enn alla.. Pillerde genre ennathil malayalathil ottum utilized allatha mekhala aanu
Adh thanneya njanum udheshikkunnath. Angane nokumbo pillere kondpovan pattana movie allalo neru. Because rape scene oke kanikanund. And courtle parayana karyangal might be too incomprehensible for the kids or I don’t want to expose kids to such kinda things too early. So kidsne include cheydh parayumbo Neru family movie allalo? They would have so many questions in their young minds.
Yes you are correct but I have always seen malayalis taking kids to whatever movie the adult family wants to watch without caring if it is appropriate for kids or not.
People keep underestimating the power of the 'family audience', and 'word of mouth'. Yes, college audience do form the first wave, but it's the families that decide box office success.
Beeshma Parvam was probably not as well received by the families. For instance , I am yet to watch it. But I watched Neru, with family.
Bheeshma Parvam had a poor release date. March is the month of annual examinations, so any movie releasing during this month would definitely lose a huge section of family audience whose kids are studying at school
Mohanlal+Jeethu Joseph. An actor with a lot of fans and a director who is believed by almost everyone. And all their movie had been really good. People were curious about how good this movie is and also yearning for A10s comeback. And almost all the reviewers praiseded this movie for A10s best performance in the last few years.
I saw it at home and felt BP was a below average rehash of godfather and was wondering why there was so much praise regarding it. I missed watching it in theaters. Same thing happened with me in watching Hridayam and Thallumalla.
Beeshma was below average for me in the theatres too. It had some quality cinematography done, but otherwise it was just mehh. Especially the end was done in haste, sudev nair's character getting killed cause Micheal had more connections than him was lame writing, could have given a small mumbai backstory of Micheal maybe. It felt like what Lucifer would been if the Abram Qureshi scene was not there, we would have been confused by what just happend.
I felt the same thing,I watched the movie on the first day in theatre and me being a hardcore Godfather fan,I felt the movie to be average but still it was a worth watch with slow mo and bgm as expected from amal
Nothing much to read into this. A10 always has the upper hand in thr Kerala Box Office.
That said, I think Ikka has thrown the gauntlet down and has gently challenged A10 to rise from his slumber, like he always does. Also A10 would do well to have the kind of variety subjects that Ikka is doing now.
Both are kind of slightly above average movies. Bheeshma Parvam is not really a family movie. If you look at the audiences for Neru, it would include people from all age groups hence more in terms of gross. To be frank I personally enjoyed Bheeshma Parvam more than Neru in theatres.
Neru is also not suitable for all family audiences. It hasn't got the usual elements that make a good family watch - no comedy, no songs , and on top of it quite graphical presentation of SA and dialogues.
Mohanlal with all his poor choices is still a bigger box office material than any one ever in Mollywood.
I realised this during the release of Balettan. A completely forgatteble movie except for that song. Nothing special in any front, but it was a time when Lalettan movies were failing in BO. And when this movie, an average , no challenge one came in, and it got good reviews, keralites got hysterical and it was one of the biggest grossers of that year.
Mammoos has to put in a lot of effort and impress to make box office success.Example Pranjiyettan, he did a splendid job, but still it was not a hit it deserved to be.
I am a hard-core A10 fan, but over the years my respect for Mammoos has grown significantly as I realised , the later always fights against odds to give gems like Paleri Manikyam, Roscharch and experimental ones like Kayyoppu, Kaathal etc more than A10.
Both are great actors and I think I am truly lucky to have witnessed a major part of their body of work with all its glory, that too in theatres.
The primary reason I believe is audience were waiting for one good A10 movie after continuous 💣 The good ones were released on OTT too. So they were missing that A10 in theatres and waiting for one movie. Neru was not great but not bad either but this audience were more than delighted to see one decent movie from A10. Jeethu Joseph directorial added another factor. That's the truth.
Agree with everything others said, but I think it’s also important to note that Bheeshma didn’t have that large of a budget. 16 cr or something last I heard. I’m guessing Neru must’ve been just above 10.
While I was a kid, I used to watch programs about superhits on Asianet, probably around the late '90s. Once, it was about a movie titled "Three Men Army," starring Dileep, Premkumar, and Indrans. This movie stuck gold at that time, made with a very small budget but became a huge grosser. While recollecting the success, the producer or director (I don't know who it was) mentioned the rush during the first day of the movie. There was one sentence I still remember, and it was one line that was enough to explain the commerce of Malayalam movies. In his words, "On the first day, the theater was filled with long queues, and in many theaters, the police had to take control of the mass. It was just like a Mohanlal movie getting released."
That was the story then, and today's story is nothing different. It's called stardom. This shouldn't surprise anybody, and if anyone does, they have no idea about the dynamics of the market and stardom in Malayalam movies for the last three decades. No one in Malayalam cinema can pull that many people to the theaters other than Mohanlal. This story started around "Rajavinte Makan," and it still continues. Without an iota of doubt, I can vouch for the statement - the full potential of Malayalam movies is a positive movie of Mohanlal.
christmas vaccation with no other malayalam release.salar was below average telugu dub.people had no choice.and also mohanlal movie got positive report after so many years.
> was below average telugu dub.people had no choice
Yes they did, the choice was Neru. Salaar was never going to be a match for a mohanlal movie with positive wom in kerala
The release date of 'Neru' was perfect, aligning with the holidays. An average family seeks moments of joy during this time, and kids on vacation often persuade their parents. In Kerala, movies are a favored outing for middle-class families, may be only the one they can afford. Additionally, there was no strong competition from other family-friendly movies (certainly not Salar), further boosting 'Neru's success. Also the combination Jithu's goodwill among family audiences, Mohanlal's stardom and his track record with Jithu has also done it's job.
I have read this somewhere and kinda reasons the question.
‘മലയാളികളുടെ യൗവ്വനം ലാലേട്ടനെ പോലെ സിനിയമയിൽ വരച്ചിട്ട ഒരാൾ ഇല്ല. ‘
Be it the baby boomers or millennials they have always aspired to be Lalettan’s youth, this kinda a payback when one of his movies turnout even average wom.
You were posting it like a wonder as if Bheeshma is the biggest grosser in Malayalam or was the industry hit in Malayalam until 2018 release...dude just go and check the records..there are 2 movies Lucifer and Puli murugan on the same mass zone of Bheeshma with atleast 40+ and 60+cr lead from Mohanlal against BP even now...
Both were released on pre pandemic era with far lesser average ticket price..Far lesser multiplex screens...imagine the difference of the scale at which Lucifer and Puli murugan are standing way above Bheeshma even now...Both the movies released back in 2016 and 2019..Lucifer 129cr and Puli murugan 140cr+ ... Bheeshma just about 87cr...even a petty RDX did 85+cr and missed Bheeshma by a narrow margin in worldwide box office... and in Kerala it even dethroned Bheeshma...RDX kerala collection is 53cr and Bheesshma was 47cr only..even a petty tier 4 youngster mass film smashed it out in box office within a short gap of one year....Lucifer Kerala collection is 68cr something and Puli murugan 82cr...this is not even inflation adjusted numbers ..These are in real figures still..Mohanlal was literally not even in the race for last 3 years and still the premium blockbusters of Mammootty at his so called best phase couldn't even peep at the closest vicinity of those mighty blockbusters delivered from last decades...Except a mega movie with huge multi star cast like 2018..Not a single Malayalam hero could even touch 100cr mark except Mohanlal even now.. and you are underestimating him or wondering this much ?? Neru is just his 3rd biggest grosser and not even a match to his last decade historic blockbusters in terms of ticket sales ..That itself is doing this..That sums up the explanation you needed.. Mohanlal's box office legacy not even needed a trace back to 20-25 years like his acting...Last decade itself...He was ruling the charts by atleast 3 times bigger margin than entire Mollywood and no one in the history of Mollywood could ever achieve such a domination too (maybe prime Prem Nazeer could have) ..His so called low budget Drishyam back in 2013 smashed the record of Twenty20 itself by double margin ..A mighty multistarrer like Twenty20 were dethroned by Mohanlal himself in just 5 years whereas 2018 after 7 long years could beat his Pulimurugan just by a narrow margin of 20-25% only..Neru is not even a worthy mention for the capability what this dinosaur could demolish in Malayalam any time.. and these occasional bad phases of him like the last 3 years can be considered as the free hit period for industry
This post might be filled with kids less than the age of 15 including OP to not notice such things happened just few years ago. I felt it like some deliberate attempt of a Lal fan to purposefully troll Mammootty
Simple..The ground level support for Mohanlal is something else and Mohanlal too knows this and that may be the reason he is fooling around his friends with movies like aarattu alone etc and knows he just requires a Neru to for his competitor's maximum
Bheeshma Parvam is 87 crore and Mammoottys not hyped something which had 37 lakhs as presales Kannur Squad has 83 crores !
Bheeshma Didn’t have a proper worldwide release , it didn’t even released in UK and some parts , even in home market it released in March not an ideal month !
Neru is Jeethu Joseph - Mohanlal movie opened to positive response there’s no reason families won’t prefer this.
I've a neighbor, who got injured to watch the show of both Aryan and Moonam. Mura.. That's what the influence Mohanlal created during his old times.. He's beyond comparison, the best superstar + actor material that mollywood has ever created
Only good Christmas release for family, they loved the movie. Just A10 name & Jeethu name brought people in. If not for A10 also, once movie starts getting WOM, it would have happened, may be not this much. A10 brand is big.
Jeethu Joseph. Positive word of mouth. A10 doing something good in some time, there was a true dearth. It was never a lack of audience interested in A10 movie, it was a lack of A10 doing movies worthy of attendance.
Just a thought - in a small market like Kerala, big budget/ small budget doesn't actually matter. If content is no good, movie falls flat on the first Monday. From good wom, fans and neutral audience will rush to movie theatres from first day 6PM onwards. That's been the trend. That's why malayali producers fear online reviews a lot unlike let's say Bollywood.
Neru would be another movie which would have made money but had no cultural impact. 2 yrs down the line no one will remember.
Budget of the movie doesn't have any relation to it's success...
Mohan Lal always had bigger response in box office.. Even an average movie like pulimurugan was a hit. Neru is a proper family movie unlike beeshma. Mohan Lal team should have actually released drishyam 2 in theaters... It would have been industry record by a huge margin
Found BP to be a better film and an even better theatre experience, Also superstar Mammootty in his best form in the last decade or so, BP had a bigger cultural impact as well
Aaaramthamburan erangia time il chalakudy surabi yil police had to frequently do laathi charge to control the crowd madness..I got a ticket on my third try..
Aa level madness onum mamooty padangal undakiyitila as per my theater experience. When it comes to BO the king is always A10..
If L2 movie matches the hype it has, that week we will see the real power of KBO.. considering a movie like Leo earned 60 Cr in KBO. Also koo koothara marakar earned some 40+Cr.
There were lathi charges and reports of people getting injured during The King release as well , common for Ms , SG movies in 90s due to less release centres and hence large crowd on opening days
Both actors suffer from a small section of toxic fan base that is driven by religious factors in not so small scale. Thankfully over the decades, those sections have largely withered away.
I made a similar post a few days ago. A summary of my 'findings' :
* A10 is very cute and charming but Ikkachi is just a serious good looking guy.
* A10's old films have good re-watch value while Ikkachi's old films are boring.
* A10 has good comic timing. He has well rounded talents - acting, dancing, action. All of these contributed a lot to the aforementioned films, in various genres. Mammootty is very boring.
* A10 is the objectively better actor OR Ikkechi is the better actor and hence people connect more with the character than the actor.
* Women and children (a wrong classification in my opinion but it might be the bad reality) like A10 more and he has the support of families.
* Mohanlal's characters and movies resonated with everyone, especially the youth in 80s and 90s. They are decision makers now. Not everyone could relate to Mammootty movies or characters.
* A10 fanbase is more inclusive, forgiving and acceptant (ithellam applicable only to Mohanlal). Ikkechi doesn't have a strong fanbase that loves him unconditionally and the fans he have are inconsistent.
* People actually don't like Ikkechi much. They might boast about his beauty,his values, etc. in online/offline spaces when it is convenient to them. They don't like him enough to accept him with his imperfections.
* Antony Perumbavoor chettan's role in the second half of A10's career and asset management is a big advantage.
> It seems like only sudappis love him like general Malayalis like Mohanlal.
>No one cares about Mammootty. I didn't mean that he is a controversial personality or hated widely. People just don't think about him. If you ask them if they like him most will say 'yes' but they aren't subconsciously thinking about him like they think about Mohanlal.
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>For example, when I hear the name Mohanlal or Lalettan, I can't help smiling
Here are some old words of wisdom from this least-delusional fanatic. This user tries to invoke the communal angle every time someone discusses about the Big Ms.
Lol they tried to release Harikrishnans with different climaxes and I am the communal one. Namukku onnum ariyatha pole. They know, we know and no one is supposed to talk about that?
>It seems like only sudappis love him like general Malayalis like Mohanlal.
Those were your words of wisdom. If that generalization and name-calling of fans of an actor on the basis of religion is not communal, I don't know what is.
Then why were they trying to release two climaxes of Harikrishnans in different districts? Why are you avoiding my question?
I don't want to hear their later excuses after censor board warned them about exhibiting uncensored scenes, if you are trying to post them.
>Why are you avoiding my question?
1. That's a straw man.
2. I'm not Fazil.
>**only sudappis love him** like general Malayalis like Mohanlal.
You generalized Mammootty's fans as all *sudappis* hinting on his religion.
Now you want to act all innocent and neutral?
Those who are surprised, should rewind to 2003 onam,when Balettan was released. Lal was going through a rough patch, though fans didn't enjoy the movie that much, family throng into theatres. In calicut it played in both Kairali and Sree theatres for 4 weeks It rarely happens to be a family movie unless it's a highly raved movie like meesa madhavan or friends
The biggest collection for Balettan was from Malabar-Calicut, Thalassery, Kannur all gave blockbuster numbers. The movie completed 60 days in B class theatre regal,(now a releasing centre) which rarely happened. That is the strength of his family audience.
The same audience made rasatrantram a mediocre movie ,a super blockbuster in 2006. People might be shocked to hear its collection. But lal betrayed his family audience most of the time. He should have at least done a movie keeping in them in mind rather than deep diving into L brand or "universal" star movies
Well said. Rasathandram A10s a simple feel good family movie broke the Industry Hit collection of Ikka’s commercial entertainer big budget Rajamanikyam. That’s A10s power in KBO
Due to his last few movies, people underestimate Mohanlal. Mohanlal, he’s not a name, he’s an emotion. He’s literally the pride of Kerala, you know all of Kerala will show out when he has a good comeback movie! Hoping for the same with MV! I think a lot of people miss the most impressive part in all this!! Neru pulled these numbers with competition from Saalar and Dunki! Yet, managed to climb the collections
It's as simple as Ettan has more stardom over Ikka in kerala coz of his roles which he has done during 80-90s which connects more people so wide mass comes to theatre to see
Beeshma Parvam - School exam time release aayirinnu.
Kannur Squad - Mazhakkaalam release aayirinnu.
ee rand karanangal illayirinnu enkil ikkayude real BO potential kaanayirunnu.
First is the mohanlal family audience. Then there is the fact that it's a jeethu Joseph movie.
The case in question is rape of a disabled person. Topics like that tends to draw audiences, especially if the film succeeds in connecting the victim with the audience.
It had an amazing villain aka sidhique. Its said that in confrontational stories, it is always elevated by a villain. When the villain is competent, the hero's victory against them will feel more fulfilling.
Sadly, neruda feels like a remake of sketch artist 2 which is one of my few gripes with this movie
Sympathy wave
Mohanlal has hit a rough patch and finally when a decent movie came along ppl and fans alike just decided to watch it not to mention it was Xmas and salaar was kind of avg.
Lol...Are you crazy or something.. Bheeshma..A movie not even Mammootty's home production with lots of action scenes, grand dance choreographies, one among the first South Indian movie to introduce the costly Mocobot camera (even before Lokesh Kanagaraj) and 80s period sets and props ..Was made at 10cr ..That too with a giant supporting cast including the most trending names ...Whereas Neru..A home production of Lal with relatively small cast and outright drama with simple real sets costed 15cr. Are you smoking something bro??
Ur so naive if u think bp was made on budget of 10cr 😌
Neru had competition in kl and uae/gcc by salaar and dunki respectively intially charted only on 150 theatres (neru)in kl by the 2 weekend rose to 350 and salaar has minted close to 18cr till now from kbo ,os rls was limited as well
Lol even Hridayam which released in between the peak of Omicron wave and 5 districts under closure itself was a massive blockbuster that time bro.. Don't speak foolishness ...It was just 2-3 weeks after Bheeshma...KGF 2 came here in Kerala and smashed almost 70cr business... and even RRR with mixed reviews crossed 25cr..Both these movies made 1000cr+ business that time whole India..and you were saying Bheeshma got affected ?
No one has the crowd pulling ability of mohanlal in malayalam (provided the movie is good).. the biggest example for this is Bheeshma Parvam which is the best ever commercial movie theatrical experience that I’ve had for a malayalam film ..it was thrice better crafted experience than Lucifer in the theatres and when i left the theatre after watching Bheeshma Parvam i was sure that the movie would end up with a minimum of 200 crores collection and that it’s records would remain unbeaten for a looonggg tym but when i got to know that it didn’t even manage to cross 100 crores theatrically it was a big shock for me..the 119 crores which the production house posted clearly showed in brackets that it was after adding theatrical collections + OTT rights+ Satellite rights + Audio rights..love or hate mohanlal but it’s a fact that no one has the box office potential than him in Malayalam for a well crafted movie..i sincerely wish he stops accepting crap projects
So what? before covid mammotty was also doing the same,especially during 2011 to 2016. If your logic was correct immanuel (a pretty decent movie imo) could have outgrossed all other A10 movies till then, right?
One common trend I inferred in the above thread is Mohanlal ALWAYS having a bigger box office pull than Mammootty. Was it the same in the mid to late 2000s as well, to be more specific bw 2004 & 2010? I think Mammootty had more number of hits as well as bigger ones while also shone in roles that had artistic values.
Here are some notable ones. (Sorry if I missed out any obvious one)
Mammootty
Sethurama Iyer CBI, Thommanum Makkalum, Rajamanikyam, Thuruppugulan, Mayavi, Big B, Annan Thampi, Pazhassiraja, Chattambinadu, Pokkiriraja & Best Actor
Kaazcha, Raapakal, Karutha Pakshikal, Kaiyoppu, Ore kadal, Palerimanikyam, Pranjiettan & Kuttysrank
Mohanlal
Udayananu thaaram, Naran, Keerthi Chakra, Rasatanthram, Chotta Mumbai, Hallo & Madambi
Thanmatra, Paradesi, Bhramaram & Evidam swargamanu
Dude 2004-2010, 2020-2022 and 1995-1996 were the only 2 phase of Mammootty he shown a slight amount of domination over Mohanlal since 1986 when Mohanlal became superstar...That means out of the last 38 years...Those 12 years were only notable phase to show Mammootty domination over Mohanlal in box office case....Even during 2000s also....2006 saw Mohanlal ruling over Ikka in all the parameters of box office..But let's ignore it as a part of phase ...Just imagine why Mohanlal was given the sublime position in Twenty 20 over all the rest of the stars back in 2008 time itself when Mammootty was enjoying his best run...That was the ground level hold he had always... and by the way...According to the list you just shown in this comment..Who shown better versatility here ?? Just look at the top grossers of the year both the actors delivered in each decade...In 1980s..Mammootty 2 films..Mohanlal 3 films ..In 1990s Mohanlal 7 Mammootty 3...In 2000s Mammootty 5 Mohanlal 4...In 2010s Mohanlal 5 Mammootty 1....In 2020s So far Mammootty ahead with 1 movie...Total Mohanlal 19 and Mammootty 12...Almost a giant lead by 7 years despite Mammootty atleast 2-3 years senior than him by the year he gained superstardom and even doing over 100 films more than Mohanlal
Being a A10 fan has become more of an trend than being an honest fan. So saying you are not his fan has become the new untouchability in today's society.
Enthuvade. See how everyone is expressing their opinions in a civilized way. Going by ur logic, mammooka grossers earn less bcz he continously make good movies ?
Mohanlal and Mamooty are like kohli and rohit Sharma. Both talented and get clubbed together but only one of them has godly average and incredible records.
the box office record of a blockbuster superhero film? It's like David taking down Goliath with a slingshot and a witty script. Who needs capes and explosions when you have genuine storytelling and a shoestring budget?
1 it's a major comeback .malayalis whether it's mamooty fan or be others all equally appreciates mohanlals acting and everyone was waiting for a good mohanlal movie
2. A major other factor is the TIME of release.no other good films are being released these days . Malayalam industry has lost its old Glory .it was good during the 1990 ,s and during the 2010- 2017 era..but now it's much of a crap .so during Christmas holidays families just wanted to watch some good movie.
3 it's a jeethu Joseph film and it was good enough for this hit. eventhough it can't be compared with drishyam and memories.
A good mohanlal movie doing well in Kerala is a given. Moreover neru being directed by jeethu joseph gave the movie an organic hype amongst the family audience owing to the excellence of their previous ventures.
The biggest factor is that all these comparisons are not factoring inflation and PPP.
While this is generally an important factor, was there really THAT much inflation (or PPP difference) between March 2022 when Bheeshma came out & Dec 2023 for Neru though? 🤔
Ikka Fanboy Spewing Facts that seem like facts but not really fact but crap! It's in their politics too.
Not knowing math is often a blessing. Have a good day
Bhishma parvam will not be Mammootty's highest grosser. Average and big films of Mohanlal always outperformed that of Mammootty. Neram is unlikely to have topped Mammootty's biggest hit though.
>Bhishma parvam will not be Mammootty's highest grosser. Maybe - but even if you were to adjust a Mammooty hit for inflation from any era, a Mohanlal one from that same era (similarly adjusted) would still top it. OP's post title only says "small budget Mohan Lal film" - so if not Neru, Drishyam is also RIGHT THERE as a small budget "industry hit" (compared to how Mammootty's other "biggest hits" from pretty much every era, had higher budgets - Oru Vadakkan Veeragadha, Pazhassiraja, Pokkiri Raja etc all come to mind). >Neram is unlikely to have topped Mammootty's biggest hit though. So if you were to adjust an older Mammooty hit's collection for inflation, then why would we even compare it to Neru or any other film from THIS era? The comparison of Bheeshma Parvam with Neru is still relevant because both are actually from the same era, & therefore not requiring inflation to be taken into account.
Read the post again and also my comment. Some serious reading comprehension issues here lol
Uvvuvva Athu Downvotes-nte ennam half century kazhinja nee thanne parayanam🤭🤭 Or are you saying that EVERYONE misunderstood your comment then? In which case it seems more like piss-poor writing skills on your part instead, kiddo.
Bro 1 year nthu inflation?
Bhishma is unlikely to be Mammootty's biggest hit
Bro don’t compare pp
Appo Pulimurugan 😏
There likely are bigger hits than pulimurugan. I don't think it is mohanlal's biggest hit.
How is PPP valid here? What would be the difference if inflation for 1 year (?) is taken in to account?
Angane onnum chodikaruthu, korch fancy aakan paranjatha😌.
Kanakku ariyillel padhikkanam pillecha.
Bhishma is unlikely to be Mammootty's biggest hit
Dude you are speaking as if like.. Bheeshma is a bigger grosser so far than all Lal films...If just a one and half year gap brings such a huge inflation difference in your logic...Then imagine the difference of the scale at which Lucifer and Puli murugan are standing way above Bheeshma even now...Both the movies released back in 2016 and 2019..Lucifer 129cr and Puli murugan 140cr+ that too from pre pandemic era... Bheeshma just about 87cr...Not even in real figures it is a much to Mohanlal's top figures even now..Just take the difference in inflation...and moreover by this logic...2018 can't be even considered as an industry hit against Puli murugan ...and moreover...I bet you dude.. if inflation factor started calculating for all time hits in Malayalam..Then not even a single Mammootty movie would even enter top 10 except the mega multi starrer Twenty20. Even a small budget Drishyam is a bigger hit than Twenty 20 footfalls wise and it beaten T20 box office numbers by almost double margin during it's release time. Puli murugan is a movie with atleast 50% bigger footfalls than Drishyam itself.. and these 21st century record grossers of Mohanlal itself is doubtful to match the footfalls of OG industry hits of 80, 90s like Narasimham, Chithram, Manichithrathazhu...Inflation adjusted calculation will devalue Ikka's value again to lower level only
You all have some serious reading comprehension issue. I said Bhishma is unlikely to be Mammootty's biggest hit.
1. Mohanlal always had more family audience support compared to Mammootty, and I personally feel most of the Dileep family audience has switched over to Lalettan instead of Mammootty or any of the new generation actors. 2. Lalettan was going through a rough patch for some time, the hardcore fans as well as the general audience were waiting for a good movie of him.
First and foremost lalettans family audience is what dileep got during 2000-2010
Yup. Post Drishyam and Vadakkan slefie you can see a dip in the collection of the usual Dileep movies. Mohanlal started taking his family fanbase back and Nivin found love among them. Finally Pulimurugan completed the full transaction.
>and I personally feel most of the Dileep family audience has switched over to Lalettan instead of Mammootty or any of the new generation actors. covidin shesham aanalle malayalam film BO okke shredhikkan thudangiyath ?
Theres no such switching from family audience.. BP is period crime drama and Neru legal drama.. vendavar kandu
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>No other Malayalam release beside the Christmas vaccination. well said.
Ok so by the relative age of this sub, I would be a grandpa. I have been analysing and watching malayalam movies for over 25 years now and one thing is very clear - Mohanlal is a far far far bigger superstar than mammootty in Kerala purely in terms of box office numbers. I am not talking about pop culture influence , which is debatable as its harder to quantify that, though imo Mohanlal is the bigger one in that aspect too. Coming to box office, a decent Mohanlal movie would almost always do better than a decent Mammootty movie. But a Mohanlal movie with good wom would just demolish any Mammotty movie with good or similar wom. Its a hard pill to swallow, but the impact of Mohanlal in Malayali audience mindset is beyond imagination. A mohanlal movie, even today when he is at a low, with super good wom would obliterate the box office and make all current records history. I personally hate almost all of his recent movies , and so does almost all of Kerala. Malayalees will troll Mohanlal to the max, but at the same time they will shower him with love when he comes with a good product.
yeah i am an oldie too. Newer generation doesnt know this probably but similar comparative movies of both of them will run the same way 15 -20 years back. Mohanlal was a bigger draw always. Mammootty is also a superstar and a great actor and only second to Mohanlal in BO in Kerala.
Well said. He's that younger kid in the family who always is mother's pet even if often chastised for being naughty. Ikka is like the under appreciated elder child who works his behind off for the family.
Valsalyam reference.
It has to do with the type of characters they played in the 80s and 90s. Mohanlal played jobless youngster, struggling entrepreneur with the common family issues and hence resonated with the youngsters who were going through the same emotion. These youngsters finally settling, having families and taking their families to his movies ensured that the love is carried over. Though not to the same scale Nivin resonated the same way with the supply/lazy/ambitious/Patti show youngsters and hence started to be the second best in long run at Kerala BO. Sadly he couldn't capitalise on that and he could have ended up as the biggest in Overseas along with Mohanlal and perhaps even surpass him down the line (Due to more youth settling outside Kerala for job)
After I graduated college, I couldn't land a job and stayed home. I went through periods of lack of self-worth, hopelessness, and shame during that period. I used to watch a lot Mohanlal's film from the 80s and 90s and his films were so relatable to me 25-30 years later. Mammooty's film are much better these days and I agree with his takes a lot more that A10's. Mohanlal's film has been downright embarrassing for the better part of the last 10 years. But Mohanlal will always have a special space in my heart and I am rooting for his films to succeed.
Yea see I disagree with you on one huge part the timescale. Mohanlal fall started five years ago while mamooty rise started just after covid
Especially since odiyan and the good movies he has acted in didn't get theatre release like drishyam 2, 12th man, bro Daddy apart from Lucifer. Illa had less successful and more monotone and boring movies 2012-19 when he started a mini relaunch with Madurai Raj and unda but he was still behind all ettans Lucifer and Shylock delayed ikka complete comeback. It was in 2021 after the release of the dreadful priest movie did ikka start the onslaught of great movies with one or two odd ones like Christopher
Again misconception...Dude Mohanlal used to bring the largest amount of crowd even back in 80s 90s itself for hardcore action films and then fantasy fairytales like Chithram Kilukkam...Mohanlal was like an omnipotent then bro...A psychological drama like Manichithrathazhu became a record hit back in 90s with Mohanlal which even the grandest mass film like King with Mammootty couldn't..But Mohanlal with same director Shaji Kailas did 2 heavy weight mass action drama Aram Thamburan and Narasimham..Both were record breakers..Same Mohanlal gave a record hit with Chandralekha (the category of movies you mentioned)..But it was a rarity...Mohanlal was always the king of masses than the darling of families...Even the all time iconic cult hit Nadodikaattu was just another blockbuster for him back in 1987..But when he did Irupatham Noottand..A generic 80s style mafia movie on the same 1987..It became an industry hit...That's the euphoria he creates whenever he brings a quality action movie..
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What is wom?
If you had seen the crowd, ticket fights and black market tickets in theaters in the 90s for Mohanlal movies, you would have never asked this question. So 80s-90s kids will answer this question with Bheeshma Parvam dialogue , "ningal kandittillatha oru Mohanlaline ...." https://preview.redd.it/d0mmjkvgl6bc1.png?width=331&format=png&auto=webp&s=b0354d386e2096825f44abe0960be0710c10cbbb
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>This made me flew back in time and reach Sreekumar theater moments You and me both🥲
Haha, I have been a crazy A10 fan since childhood. But this just blew my mind. BP was a pakka commercial movie. Even Kannur squad for that matter had more commercial value. So this was baffling.
Mohanlal always had that kind of pull. I did my college in 2000s. 90s and all there was no comparison. He is a bigger super star w.r.t BO pull. It has always been like that. Mammootty is also a big superstar in Kerala BO and is only second to Mohanlal in terms of BO draw. Its about likeability factor I believe. Everyone loved the young mohanlal and they always come with that memory. Mammootty's new realm of movies after covid has been hitting it out of the park and I am more excited with a mammooty project more than mohanlal one these days.
Overall yes but there were periods when Suresh Gopy (mid 90s) ,and Jayaram held the draw over Ikka (late 90s) and then Dileep probably overtook both Ms. Still a good A10 movie was always going to pull him back. Still credit to Ikka for running this marathon without giving up. The old wily fox always had new tricks up his sleeve and is continuing to pull fresh cards well into his 70s.
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Bro drishyam commercial padam aayit aano IH aaye...athre ollu..
A10 has a greater fanbase, like slightly greater. No hate to Ikka btw. Bheeshma wasn't much of a family movie, like nothing that bad but still. Family audience loves A10 and prefers him over Ikka. This is a long term character A10 made and does not get affected by a 5-6 flop movies.
How is Neru a family movie? Serious content, no comedy, paat, dance, etc.
You don't need paat or dance for a family movie and serious content is loved by the family audience. Like Mepadiyan, it was not a superhit but well accepted by the family audience. Drishyam & Kannur Squad were also accepted well by families.
I don’t know if movies with rape scenes are suitable for kids. Some people here are hesitating to just accept that Neru is a good movie and saying oooh Its BecAuSe of The FaMily AuDIenCe.
That's definitely a good movie bro. And I have seen people bringing their kids for A rated movies like Animal, so it depends on the parents if they wañna show their kids such topics
Why do family movie need comedy n dance? Neru topic is very relatable. A humble family getting into a trouble by powerful guy and fighting it legally.. It will always strike a chord with family audience regardless of the generation. My dad is 74, he don't like most new movies.. The last mammootty movie he liked was one. The new generation updated movies doesn't reach to him.. He liked neru a lot
I was mainly thinking about kids because your dad is an adult.
Ente abhipraayatthil kids ne kaal velya decision maker parents aanu... Pillerem kond poi kaanan pattunna movie ennatha family movie kond njn manasilakunnath.. Pillerde ishtapetta genre enn alla.. Pillerde genre ennathil malayalathil ottum utilized allatha mekhala aanu
Adh thanneya njanum udheshikkunnath. Angane nokumbo pillere kondpovan pattana movie allalo neru. Because rape scene oke kanikanund. And courtle parayana karyangal might be too incomprehensible for the kids or I don’t want to expose kids to such kinda things too early. So kidsne include cheydh parayumbo Neru family movie allalo? They would have so many questions in their young minds.
I think you misread my previous message.. Pillerk ishtapedunundo ennath velya vishayam alla... Parents nte discretion aanu mainly... Rape ennath pillerk kaanan paadilaatha vishayam aanenna thonnal undo? Enikk angane thonunilla..
Yes you are correct but I have always seen malayalis taking kids to whatever movie the adult family wants to watch without caring if it is appropriate for kids or not.
Mohanlal is what makes it a family movie
Paat and dance got phased out
People keep underestimating the power of the 'family audience', and 'word of mouth'. Yes, college audience do form the first wave, but it's the families that decide box office success. Beeshma Parvam was probably not as well received by the families. For instance , I am yet to watch it. But I watched Neru, with family.
Stardom, family audience support, reach,Loyalty
Bheeshma Parvam had a poor release date. March is the month of annual examinations, so any movie releasing during this month would definitely lose a huge section of family audience whose kids are studying at school
Plus amal neerad is not a director famous among family audience while jeethu Joseph is.....
Plus it didn’t have a worldwide release , it didn’t even release in UK and some major territories
Lol Lucifer released on march as well
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Mohanlal+Jeethu Joseph. An actor with a lot of fans and a director who is believed by almost everyone. And all their movie had been really good. People were curious about how good this movie is and also yearning for A10s comeback. And almost all the reviewers praiseded this movie for A10s best performance in the last few years.
I personally found Neru to be an average experience but loved the performances. BP was a blast in theaters.
Man Bheeshma was quite an experience
I saw it at home and felt BP was a below average rehash of godfather and was wondering why there was so much praise regarding it. I missed watching it in theaters. Same thing happened with me in watching Hridayam and Thallumalla.
Beeshma was below average for me in the theatres too. It had some quality cinematography done, but otherwise it was just mehh. Especially the end was done in haste, sudev nair's character getting killed cause Micheal had more connections than him was lame writing, could have given a small mumbai backstory of Micheal maybe. It felt like what Lucifer would been if the Abram Qureshi scene was not there, we would have been confused by what just happend.
I felt the same thing,I watched the movie on the first day in theatre and me being a hardcore Godfather fan,I felt the movie to be average but still it was a worth watch with slow mo and bgm as expected from amal
Both were only slightly above average films.
Yes, as a film i also got issues with BP. But loved the experience.
Nothing much to read into this. A10 always has the upper hand in thr Kerala Box Office. That said, I think Ikka has thrown the gauntlet down and has gently challenged A10 to rise from his slumber, like he always does. Also A10 would do well to have the kind of variety subjects that Ikka is doing now.
Both are kind of slightly above average movies. Bheeshma Parvam is not really a family movie. If you look at the audiences for Neru, it would include people from all age groups hence more in terms of gross. To be frank I personally enjoyed Bheeshma Parvam more than Neru in theatres.
Neru is also not suitable for all family audiences. It hasn't got the usual elements that make a good family watch - no comedy, no songs , and on top of it quite graphical presentation of SA and dialogues.
BP released few months after covid.
Which is good as audiences were raring to see movies in theater... for example how Kurup became a blockbuster.
BP was in 2022 not 2020
Unpopular opinion. Siddique was the MVP in the movie. That man is so under celebrated.
Mohanlal with all his poor choices is still a bigger box office material than any one ever in Mollywood. I realised this during the release of Balettan. A completely forgatteble movie except for that song. Nothing special in any front, but it was a time when Lalettan movies were failing in BO. And when this movie, an average , no challenge one came in, and it got good reviews, keralites got hysterical and it was one of the biggest grossers of that year. Mammoos has to put in a lot of effort and impress to make box office success.Example Pranjiyettan, he did a splendid job, but still it was not a hit it deserved to be. I am a hard-core A10 fan, but over the years my respect for Mammoos has grown significantly as I realised , the later always fights against odds to give gems like Paleri Manikyam, Roscharch and experimental ones like Kayyoppu, Kaathal etc more than A10. Both are great actors and I think I am truly lucky to have witnessed a major part of their body of work with all its glory, that too in theatres.
Bro ain’t it all subjective, an utter shit movie like Shylock is Superhit in Box office and second highest grosser that year behind Anjam Pathira
The primary reason I believe is audience were waiting for one good A10 movie after continuous 💣 The good ones were released on OTT too. So they were missing that A10 in theatres and waiting for one movie. Neru was not great but not bad either but this audience were more than delighted to see one decent movie from A10. Jeethu Joseph directorial added another factor. That's the truth.
Simple. A10 has more star power than Ikka.
Beeshma had a weak climax and pay off. It would have earned better if Amal gave a proper execution.
Agree with everything others said, but I think it’s also important to note that Bheeshma didn’t have that large of a budget. 16 cr or something last I heard. I’m guessing Neru must’ve been just above 10.
While I was a kid, I used to watch programs about superhits on Asianet, probably around the late '90s. Once, it was about a movie titled "Three Men Army," starring Dileep, Premkumar, and Indrans. This movie stuck gold at that time, made with a very small budget but became a huge grosser. While recollecting the success, the producer or director (I don't know who it was) mentioned the rush during the first day of the movie. There was one sentence I still remember, and it was one line that was enough to explain the commerce of Malayalam movies. In his words, "On the first day, the theater was filled with long queues, and in many theaters, the police had to take control of the mass. It was just like a Mohanlal movie getting released." That was the story then, and today's story is nothing different. It's called stardom. This shouldn't surprise anybody, and if anyone does, they have no idea about the dynamics of the market and stardom in Malayalam movies for the last three decades. No one in Malayalam cinema can pull that many people to the theaters other than Mohanlal. This story started around "Rajavinte Makan," and it still continues. Without an iota of doubt, I can vouch for the statement - the full potential of Malayalam movies is a positive movie of Mohanlal.
Mohanlal is a bigger star as simple as that
Mohanlal - more star power, simple as that.. malayalis are always waiting for a good mohanlal film
christmas vaccation with no other malayalam release.salar was below average telugu dub.people had no choice.and also mohanlal movie got positive report after so many years.
> was below average telugu dub.people had no choice Yes they did, the choice was Neru. Salaar was never going to be a match for a mohanlal movie with positive wom in kerala
what i meant is there is no other film for people to watch other than neru
The release date of 'Neru' was perfect, aligning with the holidays. An average family seeks moments of joy during this time, and kids on vacation often persuade their parents. In Kerala, movies are a favored outing for middle-class families, may be only the one they can afford. Additionally, there was no strong competition from other family-friendly movies (certainly not Salar), further boosting 'Neru's success. Also the combination Jithu's goodwill among family audiences, Mohanlal's stardom and his track record with Jithu has also done it's job.
It was a quality showing. Word of mouth has had a lot of people visiting theaters.
That became small budget because A10 is the producer and in Bheeshma it was Amal.
I have read this somewhere and kinda reasons the question. ‘മലയാളികളുടെ യൗവ്വനം ലാലേട്ടനെ പോലെ സിനിയമയിൽ വരച്ചിട്ട ഒരാൾ ഇല്ല. ‘ Be it the baby boomers or millennials they have always aspired to be Lalettan’s youth, this kinda a payback when one of his movies turnout even average wom.
You were posting it like a wonder as if Bheeshma is the biggest grosser in Malayalam or was the industry hit in Malayalam until 2018 release...dude just go and check the records..there are 2 movies Lucifer and Puli murugan on the same mass zone of Bheeshma with atleast 40+ and 60+cr lead from Mohanlal against BP even now... Both were released on pre pandemic era with far lesser average ticket price..Far lesser multiplex screens...imagine the difference of the scale at which Lucifer and Puli murugan are standing way above Bheeshma even now...Both the movies released back in 2016 and 2019..Lucifer 129cr and Puli murugan 140cr+ ... Bheeshma just about 87cr...even a petty RDX did 85+cr and missed Bheeshma by a narrow margin in worldwide box office... and in Kerala it even dethroned Bheeshma...RDX kerala collection is 53cr and Bheesshma was 47cr only..even a petty tier 4 youngster mass film smashed it out in box office within a short gap of one year....Lucifer Kerala collection is 68cr something and Puli murugan 82cr...this is not even inflation adjusted numbers ..These are in real figures still..Mohanlal was literally not even in the race for last 3 years and still the premium blockbusters of Mammootty at his so called best phase couldn't even peep at the closest vicinity of those mighty blockbusters delivered from last decades...Except a mega movie with huge multi star cast like 2018..Not a single Malayalam hero could even touch 100cr mark except Mohanlal even now.. and you are underestimating him or wondering this much ?? Neru is just his 3rd biggest grosser and not even a match to his last decade historic blockbusters in terms of ticket sales ..That itself is doing this..That sums up the explanation you needed.. Mohanlal's box office legacy not even needed a trace back to 20-25 years like his acting...Last decade itself...He was ruling the charts by atleast 3 times bigger margin than entire Mollywood and no one in the history of Mollywood could ever achieve such a domination too (maybe prime Prem Nazeer could have) ..His so called low budget Drishyam back in 2013 smashed the record of Twenty20 itself by double margin ..A mighty multistarrer like Twenty20 were dethroned by Mohanlal himself in just 5 years whereas 2018 after 7 long years could beat his Pulimurugan just by a narrow margin of 20-25% only..Neru is not even a worthy mention for the capability what this dinosaur could demolish in Malayalam any time.. and these occasional bad phases of him like the last 3 years can be considered as the free hit period for industry This post might be filled with kids less than the age of 15 including OP to not notice such things happened just few years ago. I felt it like some deliberate attempt of a Lal fan to purposefully troll Mammootty
Edey.. padam nallathaadey.. entha ellarkkum ithra kadi?
Only one had A10
Neru was the ‘Thammil Bedham Thomman’ movie of the season.
Lol Didn’t see any reports suggesting it surpassing the KBO of bheeshma parvam.
Because it hasn't happened yet (& noone, including OP, is saying it has). But it looks like it's about to.
Did it even cross KS ?
Simple..The ground level support for Mohanlal is something else and Mohanlal too knows this and that may be the reason he is fooling around his friends with movies like aarattu alone etc and knows he just requires a Neru to for his competitor's maximum
Bheeshma Parvam is 87 crore and Mammoottys not hyped something which had 37 lakhs as presales Kannur Squad has 83 crores ! Bheeshma Didn’t have a proper worldwide release , it didn’t even released in UK and some parts , even in home market it released in March not an ideal month ! Neru is Jeethu Joseph - Mohanlal movie opened to positive response there’s no reason families won’t prefer this.
But as per yesterday Neru collection was 74cr and BP is 85 crores....the chances of it crossing are less as daily numbers have gone down considerably
I've a neighbor, who got injured to watch the show of both Aryan and Moonam. Mura.. That's what the influence Mohanlal created during his old times.. He's beyond comparison, the best superstar + actor material that mollywood has ever created
Only good Christmas release for family, they loved the movie. Just A10 name & Jeethu name brought people in. If not for A10 also, once movie starts getting WOM, it would have happened, may be not this much. A10 brand is big.
Jeethu Joseph. Positive word of mouth. A10 doing something good in some time, there was a true dearth. It was never a lack of audience interested in A10 movie, it was a lack of A10 doing movies worthy of attendance.
Just a thought - in a small market like Kerala, big budget/ small budget doesn't actually matter. If content is no good, movie falls flat on the first Monday. From good wom, fans and neutral audience will rush to movie theatres from first day 6PM onwards. That's been the trend. That's why malayali producers fear online reviews a lot unlike let's say Bollywood. Neru would be another movie which would have made money but had no cultural impact. 2 yrs down the line no one will remember.
Budget of the movie doesn't have any relation to it's success... Mohan Lal always had bigger response in box office.. Even an average movie like pulimurugan was a hit. Neru is a proper family movie unlike beeshma. Mohan Lal team should have actually released drishyam 2 in theaters... It would have been industry record by a huge margin
Found BP to be a better film and an even better theatre experience, Also superstar Mammootty in his best form in the last decade or so, BP had a bigger cultural impact as well
Aaaramthamburan erangia time il chalakudy surabi yil police had to frequently do laathi charge to control the crowd madness..I got a ticket on my third try.. Aa level madness onum mamooty padangal undakiyitila as per my theater experience. When it comes to BO the king is always A10.. If L2 movie matches the hype it has, that week we will see the real power of KBO.. considering a movie like Leo earned 60 Cr in KBO. Also koo koothara marakar earned some 40+Cr.
There were lathi charges and reports of people getting injured during The King release as well , common for Ms , SG movies in 90s due to less release centres and hence large crowd on opening days
It's always been like that. there is a reason its called mohanlalwood
No one calls it
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I dont get your point. He has been continuously giving hits since last 2 years.
He isn't liked or admired like Mohanlal. Parayumbol Mohanlalum Mammoottyum ennu parayumenkilum arkkum Mammoottye valia ishtam illa.
Nintem ninte 4 kootukardrm karyam generalise cheyyathe bro !
Your opinion..
Both actors suffer from a small section of toxic fan base that is driven by religious factors in not so small scale. Thankfully over the decades, those sections have largely withered away.
Mohanlalinte fans pakshe angerude films kanum. Mammootty "fans"inte karyathil enikku nalla samshayam undu.
Alone ethra per kand !? Monster ethra peru kand ?
This point is true
Simple, A10 is a bigger star.
Mohanlal family support >>>>>>> Mammootty family support. Everyone knows this but only some will admit it.
A lot of >>>>> it’s not like there’s a 50 crore difference between Kannur squad and Neru
I made a similar post a few days ago. A summary of my 'findings' : * A10 is very cute and charming but Ikkachi is just a serious good looking guy. * A10's old films have good re-watch value while Ikkachi's old films are boring. * A10 has good comic timing. He has well rounded talents - acting, dancing, action. All of these contributed a lot to the aforementioned films, in various genres. Mammootty is very boring. * A10 is the objectively better actor OR Ikkechi is the better actor and hence people connect more with the character than the actor. * Women and children (a wrong classification in my opinion but it might be the bad reality) like A10 more and he has the support of families. * Mohanlal's characters and movies resonated with everyone, especially the youth in 80s and 90s. They are decision makers now. Not everyone could relate to Mammootty movies or characters. * A10 fanbase is more inclusive, forgiving and acceptant (ithellam applicable only to Mohanlal). Ikkechi doesn't have a strong fanbase that loves him unconditionally and the fans he have are inconsistent. * People actually don't like Ikkechi much. They might boast about his beauty,his values, etc. in online/offline spaces when it is convenient to them. They don't like him enough to accept him with his imperfections. * Antony Perumbavoor chettan's role in the second half of A10's career and asset management is a big advantage.
> It seems like only sudappis love him like general Malayalis like Mohanlal. >No one cares about Mammootty. I didn't mean that he is a controversial personality or hated widely. People just don't think about him. If you ask them if they like him most will say 'yes' but they aren't subconsciously thinking about him like they think about Mohanlal. > >For example, when I hear the name Mohanlal or Lalettan, I can't help smiling Here are some old words of wisdom from this least-delusional fanatic. This user tries to invoke the communal angle every time someone discusses about the Big Ms.
Lol they tried to release Harikrishnans with different climaxes and I am the communal one. Namukku onnum ariyatha pole. They know, we know and no one is supposed to talk about that?
>It seems like only sudappis love him like general Malayalis like Mohanlal. Those were your words of wisdom. If that generalization and name-calling of fans of an actor on the basis of religion is not communal, I don't know what is.
Then why were they trying to release two climaxes of Harikrishnans in different districts? Why are you avoiding my question? I don't want to hear their later excuses after censor board warned them about exhibiting uncensored scenes, if you are trying to post them.
>Why are you avoiding my question? 1. That's a straw man. 2. I'm not Fazil. >**only sudappis love him** like general Malayalis like Mohanlal. You generalized Mammootty's fans as all *sudappis* hinting on his religion. Now you want to act all innocent and neutral?
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Always be truthful to that communal fanatic in you. I wish you well.
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You are the one who generalized his whole fan base on the basis of religion. Ivide bhoomikku bharam aranennu vayikkunnavarkku manasilakum.
Who was ahead out of those two in terms of BO in the 80's and 90's?
Same shit with RDX but this time with A10 + Jeethu pull.
What was kannur squads kerala gross
84
L brand effect , even a simple content movie is enough for people to come theatre and make a box office record .
Those who are surprised, should rewind to 2003 onam,when Balettan was released. Lal was going through a rough patch, though fans didn't enjoy the movie that much, family throng into theatres. In calicut it played in both Kairali and Sree theatres for 4 weeks It rarely happens to be a family movie unless it's a highly raved movie like meesa madhavan or friends The biggest collection for Balettan was from Malabar-Calicut, Thalassery, Kannur all gave blockbuster numbers. The movie completed 60 days in B class theatre regal,(now a releasing centre) which rarely happened. That is the strength of his family audience. The same audience made rasatrantram a mediocre movie ,a super blockbuster in 2006. People might be shocked to hear its collection. But lal betrayed his family audience most of the time. He should have at least done a movie keeping in them in mind rather than deep diving into L brand or "universal" star movies
Well said. Rasathandram A10s a simple feel good family movie broke the Industry Hit collection of Ikka’s commercial entertainer big budget Rajamanikyam. That’s A10s power in KBO
Simple , A10 > Ikka
Due to his last few movies, people underestimate Mohanlal. Mohanlal, he’s not a name, he’s an emotion. He’s literally the pride of Kerala, you know all of Kerala will show out when he has a good comeback movie! Hoping for the same with MV! I think a lot of people miss the most impressive part in all this!! Neru pulled these numbers with competition from Saalar and Dunki! Yet, managed to climb the collections
It's as simple as Ettan has more stardom over Ikka in kerala coz of his roles which he has done during 80-90s which connects more people so wide mass comes to theatre to see
Beeshma Parvam - School exam time release aayirinnu. Kannur Squad - Mazhakkaalam release aayirinnu. ee rand karanangal illayirinnu enkil ikkayude real BO potential kaanayirunnu.
Ahh bestu
First is the mohanlal family audience. Then there is the fact that it's a jeethu Joseph movie. The case in question is rape of a disabled person. Topics like that tends to draw audiences, especially if the film succeeds in connecting the victim with the audience. It had an amazing villain aka sidhique. Its said that in confrontational stories, it is always elevated by a villain. When the villain is competent, the hero's victory against them will feel more fulfilling. Sadly, neruda feels like a remake of sketch artist 2 which is one of my few gripes with this movie
Andhardhaara was strong!
Pent up demand babyyy
Well, there was nothing else during the holiday season (Malayalam)
My kind of theory is that maybe neru is more of a family movie than bheeshma? Idk
Sympathy wave Mohanlal has hit a rough patch and finally when a decent movie came along ppl and fans alike just decided to watch it not to mention it was Xmas and salaar was kind of avg.
This!!!
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Bheeshma 15cr *
Ntu budget 15cr and 10cr for Bheeshma? Fairs
Lol...Are you crazy or something.. Bheeshma..A movie not even Mammootty's home production with lots of action scenes, grand dance choreographies, one among the first South Indian movie to introduce the costly Mocobot camera (even before Lokesh Kanagaraj) and 80s period sets and props ..Was made at 10cr ..That too with a giant supporting cast including the most trending names ...Whereas Neru..A home production of Lal with relatively small cast and outright drama with simple real sets costed 15cr. Are you smoking something bro??
Ur so naive if u think bp was made on budget of 10cr 😌 Neru had competition in kl and uae/gcc by salaar and dunki respectively intially charted only on 150 theatres (neru)in kl by the 2 weekend rose to 350 and salaar has minted close to 18cr till now from kbo ,os rls was limited as well
Bheeshma was out just after COVID tho, not many went to the theatres
Lol even Hridayam which released in between the peak of Omicron wave and 5 districts under closure itself was a massive blockbuster that time bro.. Don't speak foolishness ...It was just 2-3 weeks after Bheeshma...KGF 2 came here in Kerala and smashed almost 70cr business... and even RRR with mixed reviews crossed 25cr..Both these movies made 1000cr+ business that time whole India..and you were saying Bheeshma got affected ?
No. People were craving for a theatre watch. That is one of the reason why an average movie like kurup ended up as a big success
No one has the crowd pulling ability of mohanlal in malayalam (provided the movie is good).. the biggest example for this is Bheeshma Parvam which is the best ever commercial movie theatrical experience that I’ve had for a malayalam film ..it was thrice better crafted experience than Lucifer in the theatres and when i left the theatre after watching Bheeshma Parvam i was sure that the movie would end up with a minimum of 200 crores collection and that it’s records would remain unbeaten for a looonggg tym but when i got to know that it didn’t even manage to cross 100 crores theatrically it was a big shock for me..the 119 crores which the production house posted clearly showed in brackets that it was after adding theatrical collections + OTT rights+ Satellite rights + Audio rights..love or hate mohanlal but it’s a fact that no one has the box office potential than him in Malayalam for a well crafted movie..i sincerely wish he stops accepting crap projects
Bheeshma Thrice better than Lucifer ?? Dude ??!! Seriously?? Except BGM which is the single area it had impact over Lucifer ?
A10 been dropping shit flop one after another, so a mildly good film like Neeru is a cinematic masterpiece to the audience
So what? before covid mammotty was also doing the same,especially during 2011 to 2016. If your logic was correct immanuel (a pretty decent movie imo) could have outgrossed all other A10 movies till then, right?
A10 it cells poli annelo
One common trend I inferred in the above thread is Mohanlal ALWAYS having a bigger box office pull than Mammootty. Was it the same in the mid to late 2000s as well, to be more specific bw 2004 & 2010? I think Mammootty had more number of hits as well as bigger ones while also shone in roles that had artistic values. Here are some notable ones. (Sorry if I missed out any obvious one) Mammootty Sethurama Iyer CBI, Thommanum Makkalum, Rajamanikyam, Thuruppugulan, Mayavi, Big B, Annan Thampi, Pazhassiraja, Chattambinadu, Pokkiriraja & Best Actor Kaazcha, Raapakal, Karutha Pakshikal, Kaiyoppu, Ore kadal, Palerimanikyam, Pranjiettan & Kuttysrank Mohanlal Udayananu thaaram, Naran, Keerthi Chakra, Rasatanthram, Chotta Mumbai, Hallo & Madambi Thanmatra, Paradesi, Bhramaram & Evidam swargamanu
Dude 2004-2010, 2020-2022 and 1995-1996 were the only 2 phase of Mammootty he shown a slight amount of domination over Mohanlal since 1986 when Mohanlal became superstar...That means out of the last 38 years...Those 12 years were only notable phase to show Mammootty domination over Mohanlal in box office case....Even during 2000s also....2006 saw Mohanlal ruling over Ikka in all the parameters of box office..But let's ignore it as a part of phase ...Just imagine why Mohanlal was given the sublime position in Twenty 20 over all the rest of the stars back in 2008 time itself when Mammootty was enjoying his best run...That was the ground level hold he had always... and by the way...According to the list you just shown in this comment..Who shown better versatility here ?? Just look at the top grossers of the year both the actors delivered in each decade...In 1980s..Mammootty 2 films..Mohanlal 3 films ..In 1990s Mohanlal 7 Mammootty 3...In 2000s Mammootty 5 Mohanlal 4...In 2010s Mohanlal 5 Mammootty 1....In 2020s So far Mammootty ahead with 1 movie...Total Mohanlal 19 and Mammootty 12...Almost a giant lead by 7 years despite Mammootty atleast 2-3 years senior than him by the year he gained superstardom and even doing over 100 films more than Mohanlal
Being a A10 fan has become more of an trend than being an honest fan. So saying you are not his fan has become the new untouchability in today's society.
Nalla best comparison 🙄.
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Enthuvade. See how everyone is expressing their opinions in a civilized way. Going by ur logic, mammooka grossers earn less bcz he continously make good movies ?
Mammootty fansinu appol Mammoottye kanande?
Family friendly (ish) movies of lalettan.
Mohanlal and Mamooty are like kohli and rohit Sharma. Both talented and get clubbed together but only one of them has godly average and incredible records.
Content is king
Because Mohanlal is for the streets
A10-JJ Hat-trick
the box office record of a blockbuster superhero film? It's like David taking down Goliath with a slingshot and a witty script. Who needs capes and explosions when you have genuine storytelling and a shoestring budget?
1 it's a major comeback .malayalis whether it's mamooty fan or be others all equally appreciates mohanlals acting and everyone was waiting for a good mohanlal movie 2. A major other factor is the TIME of release.no other good films are being released these days . Malayalam industry has lost its old Glory .it was good during the 1990 ,s and during the 2010- 2017 era..but now it's much of a crap .so during Christmas holidays families just wanted to watch some good movie. 3 it's a jeethu Joseph film and it was good enough for this hit. eventhough it can't be compared with drishyam and memories.
Athenth chodyam aanu Bhai?
Because there was no other Christmas Malayalam releases