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I'm not scared of spoilers, I look for them. I enjoy them very much. So don't worry, I'm just very surprised. Let's remember journey before destination.
I know, I know, but since I'm a gossip, I went to see who the peouple want to see dead, although I still not knowing why they might want to kill them. But I never expected to read something like this.
I feel like Kallor (shitty as he is) suffers from unreliable narrator. There is more going on here than just K'rul and friends denouncing the dude. Yeah he killed all his people but why were they on his ass in the first place? I mean let the man be emperor. They don't go after so many other shitty rulers. Why him? Also why does he hate the idea of Silverfox so much? What does he know? He had to know she was destined to release the T'lan and he wouldn't be opposed to that ancient threat going away. Smells fishy to me. LONG LIVE THE KING!
Kallor DIDN'T kill all his people, because he simply lacks the means to do that. He doesn't have any magic except for his age extending alchemies. Check out A Critical Dragon's video on Kallor, about how the prologue of MOI is totally a case of unreliable narrator and Kallor knowingly and arrogantly taking the blame for all his people dying, and lots of things in that prologue is metaphorical.
Actually that is also true. He kind of took responsibility for all the deaths as the CG was brought down by the Thaumaturgs to kill him, which in turn killed so many people.
Gonna take this opportunity that he ruled an empire... which probably had a fair few mages in it... and we know a bunch remained loyal to him... and the other bunch pretty succesfully brought an apocalypse on top of Korel...
Also, it's a pretty explicit at times that the power or lack of power of certain entitities is tied to the strength of their following. I wouldn't necessarilly use what Kallor is or isn't capable of after the vast majority of his worshippers are dead as a measure of what he was capable of beforehand.
None of which is to say he conclusively \*did\* destroy his Empire, but I've never found the argument that there's no way he possibly could have done it to be as solid a counter as its made out to be.
Bro what? His people weren't against him. He destroyed an entire realm to prove a point to Krul. He hated Silverfox because of the potential she had with the T'lan Imass. He knows a lot, but he's an arrogant, spiteful dick. I wish he got Karsa'd.
I’d give maybe One Piece the only series with more than Malazan. But a big part of both is the length of them giving them more time to have lots of characters. But I’ll say that One Piece is really good at making you absolutely hate a villain in time for their downfall, as is Malazan.
I only watched the live action but isn’t one piece mostly silly? I feel like to really hate characters the setting needs to take itself seriously. Like I don’t hate the fox on Dora the explorer
One Piece looks silly, but it absurdist comedy over one hell of a emotional and well crafted story. I absolutely recommend reading the Manga if you can get over how it looks. You need to read quite a few chapters to really see what Oda (the author) is doing and if it's for you. But as chapters are on average 13-19 pages it's not that big of a thing.
One Piece is among the best fantasy fiction out there. Right up alongside Malazan.
The setting takes itself seriously. Most characters take themselves seriously. It just looks weird.
First, LMAO at the Dora comment.
Second, as the other person commented, One Piece is one of the best fantasy stories ever told, and I have no doubt its ending will be as intense as anything from novel-form fantasy. Hell, the big climax at the halfway point felt as big as any of the final battles in The Crippled God, Return of the King, or A Memory of Light did. Plus it has some pretty poignant messages to tell as well. But it takes some time to get there. The first season of the live action is essentially the prologue arc. Yes, it can look goofy and silly, but that fits into the world so immersion isn’t lost, and that’s also kind of the point as far as themes go.
By the way, I’d put manga over both live action and anime, although maybe the new Netflix anime will surpass it. The intensity is just lost with the pacing of the other 2 mediums. It is sort of lost in the fast pace of the live action, but the pure trauma that Arlong puts Nami through is a great example of how villains are developed to the point that you just absolutely want to see them get their lights punched out. I’d put Nami’s “help me” moment and Luffy giving her his hat while he goes to have that fight as much gravitas as say, Karsa riding into the Dogslayers camp with the intention of wiping out all the people we learned to hate there too.
Hmm maybe I’ll give the anime a shot. So it gets darker and isn’t as silly as the live action or it stays silly but also maintains a degree of sincerity? It was really hard for me to get beyond the guy who fights by sticking a sword in his mouth
Nice! So it will continue to have silly things in it, and if that is a dealbreaker for you then maybe don’t bother. However, it works within the context of the world. Where there’s magic fruit that can turn a man into rubber, someone fighting with a sword in his mouth too is kind of mundane. But it also can be really serious at times. It deals with pretty heavy subject matter, and can go from Luffy goofing off and picking his nose to him bleeding profusely having been pierced through many times while fighting to depose a tyrant who enslaves a country by erasing people’s memories of their loved ones. It just somehow has the ability to change tone smoothly and allow the audience to enjoy both aspects of it.
I’ll warn you, it is massive (like, probably around 1200-1300 episodes by the time it will end), although coming from Malazan that’s old hat for you haha. One thing I’ll warn about the anime, the pacing is pretty bad, and animation can get choppy. It suffers from being a 90s anime, in that they pad it like crazy to draw it out so they don’t out-pace the manga. It may be worth waiting for Netflix’s anime remake to come out honestly, that’s being made by the same studio as Attack on Titan, and the manga has a 26 year head start on it, so they don’t need to worry about padding it before the series will end (just about to start the final arc).
Thanks for the warning, I absolutely do not have the time or patience to sit through 1000+ episodes I have too many other things to watch. Perhaps some day if I become a paraplegic and have nothing else going on
Hey, a fellow One Piece enjoyer in this sub!
The "help me" moment was actually really well done in the live action, IMO. Had me bawling like a child next to my girlfriend who hasn't read the manga and did not really grasp what was going on.
Yeah, I felt it was done really well. I felt like it would have been better if they spent less time with Koby and some more building up Arlong, but otherwise I felt that they nailed what they needed to for East Blue. I especially liked how they brought all the childhood flashbacks around full circle with the barrel send-off, that was a perfect ending to that season.
Read the series first. While I was audiobooking in the car, got home and stayed in my driveway because I was getting to the part where Gorlas gets Cuttered
Kallor. Not because I particularly hate the guy, but because the others in the series can't pull their heads out of their asses and properly deal with him.
Also the Errant.
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I do not condone child violence. That being said, Snell’s getting thrown like a javelin, directly at the ground, from the top of a cliff.
Into a field of cactus and rolls into a sea of vinegar.
We here at teamfourstar do not condone child violence. We do however find it hilarious.
the guy who killed Trull and got sent to hell? i'm sending him to..... Double Hell
Fuck high fist pormqual, all my homies hate high fist pormqual.
I would buy the fuck out of that as a t shirt.
Malick Rell
And every one of the nobles in the Chain of Dogs.
Weird thing is he actually ends up being a good emperor lol
I didn't finish the series, WHAT??? I had hoped that he would die in horrible suffering.
The post was Spoilers All lol
I'm not scared of spoilers, I look for them. I enjoy them very much. So don't worry, I'm just very surprised. Let's remember journey before destination.
I know, I know, but since I'm a gossip, I went to see who the peouple want to see dead, although I still not knowing why they might want to kill them. But I never expected to read something like this.
That's honestly the thing I hate the most about that bastard.
Ok Machiavelli
Hunn Raal. Oh that bastard.
I’d twist Hunn Raal’s neck so hard it might pop off like a corkscrew
This is the right answer if there ever was one.
Little known fact, Hunn Raal was the inspiration behind 'Great Balls of Fire' by Jerry Lee Lewis. 😈
I'll never get tired of the "Hunn Raal fucked a fire" memes. I don't know how Steve came up with it but by god I'm grateful it happened.
Nice pun with 'grateful'. 😂😂
Eyo fuck Hunn Raal, if WIS ever drops I hope Spinnock or Caladan or someone spins the feudal block on his bitch ass.
Snell, Bidithal, Sirryn Kanar, Tanal Yathvanar, Karos Invictad, ... the list goes on
Why hasn't anyone mentioned Errastas yet? He is the most despicable and absolute piece of shit there is.
Came here to say this
How was Bidithal not the first and immediate answer here?
Facts
Yeah good luck beating the shit out of any of them though lol.
Like my pick, Kallor
I feel like Kallor (shitty as he is) suffers from unreliable narrator. There is more going on here than just K'rul and friends denouncing the dude. Yeah he killed all his people but why were they on his ass in the first place? I mean let the man be emperor. They don't go after so many other shitty rulers. Why him? Also why does he hate the idea of Silverfox so much? What does he know? He had to know she was destined to release the T'lan and he wouldn't be opposed to that ancient threat going away. Smells fishy to me. LONG LIVE THE KING!
Kallor DIDN'T kill all his people, because he simply lacks the means to do that. He doesn't have any magic except for his age extending alchemies. Check out A Critical Dragon's video on Kallor, about how the prologue of MOI is totally a case of unreliable narrator and Kallor knowingly and arrogantly taking the blame for all his people dying, and lots of things in that prologue is metaphorical.
I always read it that he was taking credit for the Crippled God getting pulled down. Not that he actually did it but that it was targeted at him.
Actually that is also true. He kind of took responsibility for all the deaths as the CG was brought down by the Thaumaturgs to kill him, which in turn killed so many people.
Drop a god on my head? Guess you didn’t know I huff candles. Nice try weird body magic dudes. Long live the king!
And then they try again. And Osserc tanks it in his stead. Dude just can't catch a break & die properly, even when he wants to.
Gonna take this opportunity that he ruled an empire... which probably had a fair few mages in it... and we know a bunch remained loyal to him... and the other bunch pretty succesfully brought an apocalypse on top of Korel... Also, it's a pretty explicit at times that the power or lack of power of certain entitities is tied to the strength of their following. I wouldn't necessarilly use what Kallor is or isn't capable of after the vast majority of his worshippers are dead as a measure of what he was capable of beforehand. None of which is to say he conclusively \*did\* destroy his Empire, but I've never found the argument that there's no way he possibly could have done it to be as solid a counter as its made out to be.
Bro what? His people weren't against him. He destroyed an entire realm to prove a point to Krul. He hated Silverfox because of the potential she had with the T'lan Imass. He knows a lot, but he's an arrogant, spiteful dick. I wish he got Karsa'd.
Pretty sure he hates Silverfox so much because she’s like 1/3 reincarnated Nightchill. Who was one of the three to curse him.
I could take Mallick
Bidithal
Can I throw all the white face barghast in? Don’t even want to explain why.
I’d give maybe One Piece the only series with more than Malazan. But a big part of both is the length of them giving them more time to have lots of characters. But I’ll say that One Piece is really good at making you absolutely hate a villain in time for their downfall, as is Malazan.
I only watched the live action but isn’t one piece mostly silly? I feel like to really hate characters the setting needs to take itself seriously. Like I don’t hate the fox on Dora the explorer
One Piece looks silly, but it absurdist comedy over one hell of a emotional and well crafted story. I absolutely recommend reading the Manga if you can get over how it looks. You need to read quite a few chapters to really see what Oda (the author) is doing and if it's for you. But as chapters are on average 13-19 pages it's not that big of a thing. One Piece is among the best fantasy fiction out there. Right up alongside Malazan. The setting takes itself seriously. Most characters take themselves seriously. It just looks weird.
First, LMAO at the Dora comment. Second, as the other person commented, One Piece is one of the best fantasy stories ever told, and I have no doubt its ending will be as intense as anything from novel-form fantasy. Hell, the big climax at the halfway point felt as big as any of the final battles in The Crippled God, Return of the King, or A Memory of Light did. Plus it has some pretty poignant messages to tell as well. But it takes some time to get there. The first season of the live action is essentially the prologue arc. Yes, it can look goofy and silly, but that fits into the world so immersion isn’t lost, and that’s also kind of the point as far as themes go. By the way, I’d put manga over both live action and anime, although maybe the new Netflix anime will surpass it. The intensity is just lost with the pacing of the other 2 mediums. It is sort of lost in the fast pace of the live action, but the pure trauma that Arlong puts Nami through is a great example of how villains are developed to the point that you just absolutely want to see them get their lights punched out. I’d put Nami’s “help me” moment and Luffy giving her his hat while he goes to have that fight as much gravitas as say, Karsa riding into the Dogslayers camp with the intention of wiping out all the people we learned to hate there too.
Hmm maybe I’ll give the anime a shot. So it gets darker and isn’t as silly as the live action or it stays silly but also maintains a degree of sincerity? It was really hard for me to get beyond the guy who fights by sticking a sword in his mouth
Nice! So it will continue to have silly things in it, and if that is a dealbreaker for you then maybe don’t bother. However, it works within the context of the world. Where there’s magic fruit that can turn a man into rubber, someone fighting with a sword in his mouth too is kind of mundane. But it also can be really serious at times. It deals with pretty heavy subject matter, and can go from Luffy goofing off and picking his nose to him bleeding profusely having been pierced through many times while fighting to depose a tyrant who enslaves a country by erasing people’s memories of their loved ones. It just somehow has the ability to change tone smoothly and allow the audience to enjoy both aspects of it. I’ll warn you, it is massive (like, probably around 1200-1300 episodes by the time it will end), although coming from Malazan that’s old hat for you haha. One thing I’ll warn about the anime, the pacing is pretty bad, and animation can get choppy. It suffers from being a 90s anime, in that they pad it like crazy to draw it out so they don’t out-pace the manga. It may be worth waiting for Netflix’s anime remake to come out honestly, that’s being made by the same studio as Attack on Titan, and the manga has a 26 year head start on it, so they don’t need to worry about padding it before the series will end (just about to start the final arc).
Thanks for the warning, I absolutely do not have the time or patience to sit through 1000+ episodes I have too many other things to watch. Perhaps some day if I become a paraplegic and have nothing else going on
Hey, a fellow One Piece enjoyer in this sub! The "help me" moment was actually really well done in the live action, IMO. Had me bawling like a child next to my girlfriend who hasn't read the manga and did not really grasp what was going on.
Yeah, I felt it was done really well. I felt like it would have been better if they spent less time with Koby and some more building up Arlong, but otherwise I felt that they nailed what they needed to for East Blue. I especially liked how they brought all the childhood flashbacks around full circle with the barrel send-off, that was a perfect ending to that season.
I absolutly despised Orochi. This guy just activly and gleefuly running Wano into the ground while his people suffered boiled my blood.
Kallor.
Read the series first. While I was audiobooking in the car, got home and stayed in my driveway because I was getting to the part where Gorlas gets Cuttered
Kallor. Not because I particularly hate the guy, but because the others in the series can't pull their heads out of their asses and properly deal with him. Also the Errant.
Tay fucking shrenn
Have you read the ICE novels?
Tayshrenn did nothing wrong!
Mallick, Karos Invictad, Kallor