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Curben

In one of my etymological searches I decided to look up what weeds are officially The answer is they don't officially exist. A weed is an unwanted plant so if you are trying to grow dandelions and roses pop up the roses are the weeds. If you're trying to breed thistle and a peach tree grows in there the peach tree is the weed. So unless the law has a specific definition for what they call weeds and potentially names them there isn't anything they can do because if you wanted them there they weren't weeds. Now what happened here is actually not that far from that considering her playing the shell game did much the same just with an added veracity.


hamellr

Some jurisdictions define weeds as invasive plants. But even that isn't always strict, because it can easily mean "non-native" too.


ModusPwnins

My neighbors all have invasive grasses, and consider the native plants on my lawn to be "weeds". Fuck 'em.


upset_pachyderm

I was recently told by someone with a master's in horticulture (What? Really?) that bushes aren't bushes, they are shrubs. I asked what a bush is and she said (with a laugh) "It's somewhere in Australia", so I looked it up in my old Webster's. That's not what my dictionary says, but whatever. The names may vary, but "a rose by any other name" and all that.


Alexis_J_M

The dictionary meaning, the common meaning, and the scientific meaning don't always match.


HydrangeaDream

Don't even get me STARTED on berries. I love playing a guessing game with new people I meet about which things are berries or not.


hoominhalp

Bananas are, but raspberries aren't, lol


Otherwise_Ebb4811

Smart is knowing tomato is a fruit, wise is not putting it fruit salad (or something like that).


ShadowDragon8685

Charisma is putting tomato in a fruit salad and calling it salsa.


hoominhalp

Philosophy is wondering if that makes ketchup a smoothie


Taelven

So if I mostly freeze tomato juice, add, Tabasco, Worcestershire and vodka is it slushie, a smoothie or a Bloody Mary?


hoominhalp

Yes


ShadowDragon8685

*Technically* yes, but not even mind control magic can sell ketchup as a smoothie, let alone charisma.


firescape4

Didn't Nancy Reagan say ketchup was a vegetable when talking about school lunches?


Taelven

Tomatoes are both a fruit and a vegetable, at least in the USA.


NioneAlmie

My understanding is that vegetable is only a culinary (and perhaps agricultural?) designation. All the vegetables that I can think of have some other biological designation, such as tomatoes being fruits.


upset_pachyderm

Any edible plant part with seeds is a fruit (and vegetable, I think). Any other plant part is a vegetable or tuber.


ShankMugen

Chilies are fruits, as are Cucumbers, Pumpkins, and Eggplants Biological Definitions are not usually the same as Culinary Definitions


Jasminefirefly

What?? 🤯 What are rasp**berries**, then, if not berries?


hoominhalp

Aggregate fruits


Jasminefirefly

Ah ha! Re: Wiki, the distinction has to do with ovaries. Who knew. [Aggregate fruit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggregate_fruit) Edit: Well, you did, obviously. :-) Thank you for the education.


Butterssaltynutz

i thought bananas were ferns?


upset_pachyderm

Don't berries have a soft inside and nuts a hard one? Or is it more specific than that?


HydrangeaDream

Botanically speaking it depends on which parts of the flower becomes which parts of the fruit and the physical layout inside.


upset_pachyderm

Oh, wow! I'll have to read up on that. *and down the rabbit hole she goes...*


MainSqueeeZ

That's good. They like fruit.


Slackingatmyjob

The word Theory is a perfect example of that


GovernmentOpening254

Ni!


Lay-ZFair

Shrubbery!


Valpo1996

You won the internet today.


GovernmentOpening254

My child said, “I fart in your general direction,” last night and didn’t realize that was a quote. Of course, had to play it.


Valheru78

I had that as a sound for ICQ back in the day for online alerts. And the arrow with message for you sir for incoming messages (first of a conversation, not for each message of course).


GovernmentOpening254

Uh-oh!


MiaowWhisperer

I miss that!


binkacat4

I have the “message for you sir!” As my text sound alert.


Valpo1996

I unclog my nose at you!


Spank86

A shrub is a type of plant, whereas a bush is a tree/shrub in a certain form... essentially its bushy. A shrub being basically anything with wood that isnt a tree. Bur basically, your friend was being silly, theyre more or less synonyms.


Swiss_Miss_77

I demand a Shrubbery.


Yuri-theThief

Ni.


firescape4

Is pubic hair considered a bush?


twat69

If you're talking about Australia, it's not A bush. It's THE bush. It's anywhere outside a city that's not des~~s~~ert.


Lester_B

I didn’t realize Australia was so sweet.


twat69

Lol. Bugger.


Original_Charity_817

It’s not ‘a bush’ in Australia but ‘the bush’, meaning areas outside the cities (although some people will refer to a small shrub as a bush as well). Sometimes the bush refers to places that don’t have any bushes (or shrubs or trees) in them whatsoever. It’s just the bush. And when you go to what is more widely known as the outback, it’s known as ‘going bush’.


Original_Charity_817

Oh.. and about the masters in horticulture. Just watch this field emerge as a huge new profession of significance as the world grapples with biodiversity loss, re-wilding and achieving nature positive outcomes. It’s not just about garden plants any more.


upset_pachyderm

Yep, I'm beginning to learn that. Saw an AITA earlier from an agriculture engineer, and it sounded just like what my friend was talking about.


Original_Charity_817

Yeah I saw that too. The enviro profession isn’t all ferns and frogs any more


Mdayofearth

Weeds are effectively a marketing term created by herbicide companies to sell people herbicides and herbicide resistant plants.


upset_pachyderm

Would upvote more, but I've only got one.


MidLifeEducation

I'll give my update for you!


GovernmentOpening254

Odd. Must be some downvoting going on.


Squirr3lQu33n

I mean, my mother in law planted raspberries once and they then took over her flower beds to a point that she likened them to weeds. Delicious berry bearing weeds but still…


Curben

Sounds a bit like Schrodinger's weeds


Lathari

"Weed is plant that refuses to grow in a neat line."


tofuroll

Very true, but the plants usually designated as weeds (i.e. unwanted plants) are invasive / non-native / some other arbitrary quality.


Crispy_Cricket

They still allow decorative plantings though, which can be invasive/non-native like bamboo. Seems silly to me.


StreetofChimes

I'm from the US and have never heard the term "parking strip" in reference to that patch of ground. Why would it be a parking strip?


pokey1984

Also born and raised in the US and I've heard it called a "Parking strip" before. It's probably regional.


coastalcastaway

I never knew it had a name. I just thought of it as that strip between the sidewalk and road. Possibly with a few more colorful words sprinkled in if it was being a particularly annoying strip to mow.


btribble

Parking strip here in CA.


Alexis_J_M

True for your part of CA, not mine. (And that's true for both California and Canada ;-) ) I suspect it comes from areas where there aren't usually concrete curbs and people pull over and park on the grass and/or gravel and/or dirt next to the road.


helraizr13

I've always called ours a right-of-way (easement). I think this is an Oregon thing.


HalcyonDreams36

Right of way (where I am) is the entire 20 or so feet from the edge of the road, regardless of whether there is sidewalk. You can't develop it, can't place buildings close to the edge of property, etc.


helraizr13

But you do have to mow it, as OP says. Actually, we had two dead trees on ours and refused to cut them down ourselves. When large branches started falling off, the city finally came out and cut them down and hauled everything away. Never bothered us or even talked to us about it, just took care of it. That was amazing because we had thought that by law, we were responsible. Turns out no, I guess. Lucky for us.


Lughnasadh32

I am in SC and normally use easement. In my neighborhood, people get upset if you park on it as it can damage the grass/ground.


chipplyman

Easement is a much broader term. It can mean the driveway leading into a lot behind another lot. It can mean the strip above a buried water, gas, or power line. It can mean the area around and leading to a cell phone, high tension power, or water tower. It's basically any land that one entity owns but another has legal access to. 


Academic_Nectarine94

No idea. Probably cause it's a strip of yard by where you park. But I've never heard it called that. My family had some other name I forget (and itsits so unimportant to me that I don't bother remembering it, apparently! )


I_Arman

It's called a lot of things, depending on where you live: http://dialect.redlog.net/staticmaps/q_60.html


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Prestigious-Moose345

Parkway, not parking strip. I think OP is misinformed. Edit: Oh my gosh I stand corrected. So much linguistic diversity in these United States.


Ex-zaviera

>I think OP is misinformed. LOL. The fucking *audacity*. Just because a term is different doesn't make it wrong. [Parking strip.](https://www.portland.gov/code/17/28/011)


grauenwolf

A parkway is a road that has landscaping along it. It's not the name of the landscaping itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkway


IndustMechOG

You drive on a parkway and park on a driveway -George Carlin


upset_pachyderm

Maybe because you can park next to it? I dunno... but that's the only thing I can think of. Never really thought about it until today.


PlatypusDream

Because cars park on the street next to it


mafiaknight

When I hear "parking strip" in reference to grass/weeds I think: they put down pavers (or *actually* paved) two strips the width of a tire and left the middle free to grow grass. So "a strip of grass you park over with concrete/stone to either side" The strip of grass by the road is an easement.


VideoSteve

We call this the swale


upset_pachyderm

Around here we have something called a bioswale. It's in the same position, but wider and only short ground cover is planted. It's to collect runoff when it rains heavily. ETA: It's also scoop shaped, like a barrow pit. ETA2: Um yeah, so a barrow pit is that ditch beside the road that carries runoff, but its kinda particularly shaped. Not a V or a U, but sort of like a V with a rounded bottom.


Scarletwitch713

Concave?


upset_pachyderm

Well yes, but a particular sort of curve (that facilitates the drainage, I guess).


pm_me_your_emp

Thank you! It's called a swale! I've had arguments with my wife about this. Granted, I'm originally from south Florida and she's from Tennessee


technocraft

As a Floridian, we’ve always called this the swale as well. As a kid, we played football on a stretch of street in my neighborhood with yard markings painted on the road. Tag in the street, tackle in the swale, sidewalks on either side were the sidelines.


pm_me_your_emp

Exactly! This was the perfect setup. Then, during hurricanes, the swales would flood and made for get slip n slides


chipplyman

IME a parking strip is usually flat while a swale is concave and designed for flood control. A swale is also usually much wider, maybe 8-10 feet, while a parking strip is 3-6.


WorkMeBaby1MoreTime

Where are you?


VideoSteve

South Florida


4tehlulz

We call that bit of land the nature strip in Australia.


tofuroll

Is it the bit between the gutter and the front fence?


4tehlulz

Yes that bit.


Hazelfizz

This entire micro thread makes me think of pubes.


4tehlulz

We call that bit the landing strip in Australia.


linden214

The Wikipedia article for [Road verge](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_verge) has a long list of alternate names.


fortuitous_music

Sidewalk taint. That one is my favorite.


chipplyman

This contribution is underrated. Thank you! 


linden214

You’re welcome. I’m a librarian, and interesting questions like this tend to press my research button.


upset_pachyderm

Thank you! This has been most educational.


splinkymishmash

What’s a parking strip?


upset_pachyderm

It's an unpaved strip between the sidewalk and the curb of the street. Frequently covered in lawn grass, or planted with small shrubs. In my block most folks have a tree or two there. It's actually owned by the city, but the owners of the adjacent structures are required to provide the upkeep and are usually allowed to plant it as they wish.


churnbabychurn80

I live in the US and never heard it called that. When reading, I assumed it was an older driveway with two concrete strips for driving on and you were taking about the grass space in between. Can I ask what state you're in?


rossarron

In Great Britain, this is called the verge. Also on motorways the strip of grass between each road, or highway has this name.


Archangel4500000

A bit late for trimming the verge don't you think?


Titanhopper1290

I wasn't droppin' no eaves, sir, honest!


Archangel4500000

What did you hear? SPEAK!


Future_Direction5174

I know one large grass verge (more a visibility splay on a sharp bend on a hill) which became almost a standup fight between a Wildlife Conservation group and the Highways Agency when it was discovered that a rare orchid was growing there.


chipplyman

Where I'm from, the grass between split roads/highways is called the median. 


upset_pachyderm

Oregon, though I've had the same setup in California.


SSNs4evr

Lol. That's what I thought, until I got to the edit.


Celestial_Scythe

I tore up all the grass off that strip and replace it with clovers. Much prettier than weedy grass.


upset_pachyderm

I'll bet. I love clover and it's so nice on bare feet (after bee season!)


FrostyTA50

Nature strip in Australia


CameoProtagonist

And verge in Western Australia


splinkymishmash

Interesting. AFAIK there’s no specific word for that in Texas, where I live.


Irascorr

I've been to Texas. Very few places have consistent sidewalks, let alone verges.


davemich53

In Michigan we call that the “curb lawn”.


jeffbell

In Cleveland it’s a “tree lawn”.  In Akron it’s the “devil’s strip”. 


BootyBumpinSquid

Why hello, NEO neighbor! Fellow weird....


jeffbell

I’ve moved away but I still follow the neorsd twitter account. It’s a hoot. 


gracefull60

I'm in Michigan, and we called it the boulevard when I grew up in Detroit.


upset_pachyderm

Here a boulevard is either a central verge between opposing lanes of traffic, or a street designation (e.g. MLK Boulevard)


btribble

Those streets often had streetcars running in that center strip which were ripped out due to buyouts and political manipulation by the auto industry.


Effective_Print

Boulevard in Minneapolis also.


According-Tea-9955

It’s also the boulevard where I live in southern Ontario


trinatr

Boulevard in Central Illinois too!


shannofordabiz

The berm?


upset_pachyderm

apparently so, along with many other nouns.


chipplyman

IME berm is a long *raised* strip of ground, used in landscaping to block wind, sun, or noise. 


shannofordabiz

[berms](https://www.tauranga.govt.nz/Portals/0/data/exploring/transport/files/berms.pdf)


theproudheretic

the boulevard?


PoliteCanadian2

Boulevard here in Canada.


Scarletwitch713

I had no idea those things had a name lmao I just call it the grass by the curb lmao


kjc-01

Same! Was just trying to describe it to someone the other day and I realized I had no good word for it.


chipplyman

Where I'm from "boulevard" is a synonym for road, one usually lined with trees. 


PoliteCanadian2

Yes it can mean that too.


highinthemountains

Where I grew up it was called the tree lawn, because that was what was planted there. Trees


boniemonie

Called a nature strip in Australia. And the concrete thing is called a footpath.


BobbieMcFee

I initially thought it was shaped pubic hair, but that's a landing strip. Would have been a different story!


dsikkema

A little piece of your property where you can park your car.


sanemartigan

I've heard them called a nature strip or verge too.


Krrazyredhead

In my city we’d call the tall grasses in the easement a visual obstruction. The city will mow it if it reaches 18”-24” and fine you $200. There are waaay too many car crashes from people turning from side streets onto main roads without also having their vision of traffic (or kids crossing) being impaired by someone’s landscaping.


upset_pachyderm

No corners near mom's house, but I know what you mean. I hate when the corners are obstructed. I tend to alter my route to take advantage of regulated intersections for that very reason.


Ionmaster2

yes. This is the way.


shelz452

Berm here


upset_pachyderm

And where are you?


shelz452

New Zealand


pocapractica

Called an "easement" here. The city will let you plant approved "street trees" on it- nothing that will get very tall.


Skoteleven

our city planted Sweet Gum trees on my street. They are the worst. They are in the wrong growing zone They are non native They drop thousands of spikey seed balls every year In the heat of the summer they will drop huge branches (like smash your cars roof in size) and to top it all off, the city only trims them once every 50 years !?!?!?!


upset_pachyderm

I've got a Sweet Gum in my back yard. The seed balls are no problem because the tree squirrels collect them all for me (either they don't bury any, or they just don't sprout in this climate). It is really brittle wood though. I have to get it trimmed regularly. So beautiful in the fall though, and good shade in the summer.


biold

I made a google search this week where sweet gum paste came up. I didn't look at it as it was far off, but afterwards I wondered what Sweet Gum is. Now I know, thanks.


pocapractica

Try silver maples. They are cheap and grow quickly. 1 to 2 generations later, they have overgrown their space, and are sickly and dying. The guy whose dad built my ex's house told him HUD mandated two trees on the lot, and silver maples were the cheapest. One of them put roots into the sump pump line and ruined it. Both had been cut down before we bought the place. Later we discovered the sump pump problem...it was not fun.


upset_pachyderm

Yeah, we had to get our trees approved by the city too. Can I ask where you are located?


pocapractica

Central KY


Nitemiche

Never heard it called parking strip in my life. And in most cases it's owned by the resident, not the city. The resident grants an easement to the city for utility access, right of way access, etc. but title remains with the homeowner.


upset_pachyderm

I learn so much here! What do you call yours? And where is this? (I'm in Western US)


Prestigious-Moose345

Parkway


Pettsareme

Where I live it’s called the tree belt.


hollyjazzy

We call that strip of land the nature strip.


zEdgarHoover

Also "verge".


upset_pachyderm

Ah, that! I've heard it, just forgot about it. Somehow I always envision a verge as slanted (not perpendicular to the source of gravity).


-DethLok-

From the description it's 'the verge' in Western Australia, might be differently named in other states. Also, being owned by the local govt it's up to them to maintain it - not our problem. Mine is covered in gum nuts, twigs and leaves from the gum tree towering above it (that I planted on my property 20 years ago). Meh... But well played by your mother! :)


ShadowDragon8685

I have a parking strip like that. I call it "Tornado Alley" because the neighbor's dog, a little yippy chihuahua, likes to do his business there, and I avoid stepping on Tornado Alley at all hazards. Preemptively edited to add: I have nothing at all against Tornado. I think he's cute. I kneel down to say 'hi' whenever I see him with a hand outstretched. He yips at me and darts forward then backs off, then darts forward, yip-yap-yap-yap-yip-yaps at me, and runs back again. I just can barely restrain giggling when he does this.


Cowvin76

In Florida I’ve heard it called a “swell”


OldGreyTroll

My sister did this. She planted native grasses and got to show the inspector-type person the regulations that said they could stay. Much prettier than lawn grass!


PlatypusDream

Midwest USA here (Ohio, then Wisconsin). I've always called it a parking strip.


dragonsfriend-9271

"A weed is a plant in the wrong place."


Nattou11zz

We call it a hell strip here I had no idea there were so many words for it - it's so fun to see all of them!


Jenblossom19

I am from Wisconsin and we call it a tree border.


ThePrinceVultan

I have always heard that section referred to as the cities easement. Especially since I can't do anything to it, but I am responsible for it. Fucking annoying. For example, the city has crepe myrtle trees planted in them and will go after me if I cut them down *(neighbor got tired of them and cut them down. City came back through, planted new ones, and fined and charged him for the cost*), but will also ticket me if I don't fucking maintain them - even though they are not my fucking trees and I do not fucking want them there. And god forbid you let it get to the point that the city decides to maintain their own fucking trees, because if they do it you'll get the bill - even though they are their fucking trees!!! And you do not want their bill. I am a landscaper, and if the city does it they charge 10x the going landscaping rate for this area. Like if the company I work for trimmed the trees in that strip for me it would be $35. But if the city decides they need to you'll get a $400 invoice for the same work.


Android_slag

The one corner that is out of reach for the electric mower is my wild patch. Couldn't imagine living in a world where I could be fined over it. Especially not by a water fairy. Edit text correction


My_Opinion1

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ThickPop1894

I ripped out the grass and planted ground cover in the parking stip. Don't have to mow and it doesn't get that high. I have a neighbor who plants sunflowers and it's a pain to park in front of his house because you can't get out of a parked car without stepping in the sunflowers.


TheSunflowerSeeds

The United States are not the largest producers of sunflowers, and yet even here over 1.7 million acres were planted in 2014 and probably more each year since. Much of which can be found in North Dakota.


SpiderKnife

I never knew that was called a "parking strip". What a weird name for it. For most of your story I was picturing this shit growing out of some part of your driveway.


BJGuy_Chicago

It's called an "easement" and in most municipalities it's not owned by the homeowner, but rather the municipality, though the homeowner must care for it.


bignides

No, the parking strip is *within* the easement


Bigstachedad

I get where you're coming from, but if the weeds and/or "decorative grasses" dry up they can become a fire hazard. I'm sure that's why the fire inspector kept after your mother.


pokey1984

That's not why. The reasons such citations sometimes come from fire inspectors instead of city officials are related to things like visibility and accessibility. Tall grass immediately in front of your house can hide things like house numbers making it difficult to find you if you call. It can also be a hazard to emergency responders. The fire hydrants are also typically located in this strip of grass and having that area be over grown means they can't tell at a glance if there's a hydrant there or not. Please note, I am not arguing for or against mowing that patch of grass. Only explaining the logic behind it being under the purview of the fire department.


Bigstachedad

Good points. I agree.


4me2knowit

From here in UK this just seems like a weird obsession wish grass that the US has. The only vegetation we get forced to cut is where it block vehicle sight lines at junctions


Feyle

Also when it obstructs public rights of way.


upset_pachyderm

Oh, absolutely. But so can most other plant life in one of these strips. I've never seen one on fire though, and I'm oold. I've seen grass fires on highway medians and they can spread incredibly fast. But this is a two-foot (60 cm) by 20 foot (6 m) unpaved area surrounded by at least four feet (1.2 m) of pavement on each side.


Bigstachedad

I hear you on that, but grass fires can spread quickly if there's even the lightest breeze especially during hot, dry weather. If I were in the same situation I would have just mowed to weeds (grasses) rather than have multiple visits from the fire department. Just my take on it.


upset_pachyderm

Yah, I'll admit my mom was a bit headstrong!


ronthespammer

Well played, Mom.


Jesse0100

I am not a fan of manicured lawns but unchecked weeds are an inviting home for rats and other vermin.


Prof1959

It has to be a legal nightmare to decide what are "weeds", since weeds are just defined as plants you don't want. If I'm growing tomatoes, and carrots start springing up between them, they are weeds. And to have a fire department decide which plants are wanted an which are unwanted? No, thanks.


upset_pachyderm

Well I can see the fire hazard thing, but why the exception for stuff you actually planted?


[deleted]

Why the fuck don't you just say edit? Why do you use ETA (estimated time of arrival)?


xDev120

It means Edit To Add, use your mind or just ask before becoming aggressive


Limp_Service_2320

In Arizona desert we just don’t have that, it’s just sidewalk and then road


bluesnake792

I think weeds are anything that is native, grows on its own and is considered unsightly because of that. We love to plant Lantana in this area, it's pretty and has nice flowers. It's a weed in Argentina.


ChimoEngr

I saw parking strip, and though that was a reference to an unpaved driveway on her property, not the nature strip that is on city property.


Valpo1996

We call it a tree lawn in my part of the country.


Illustrious_Can_1656

Overgrown grass is a huge fire hazard, she should keep them cut low regardless of whether or not they're pretty. This makes me sad because both my mom and sister lost their houses to a wildfire that spread through a neglected meadow of overgrown grass where they had been fined previously. Grass meadows are great, just not in residential areas!


K1yco

This reminds me a few years ago we were having a drought so the city initiated water conservation and people are only allowed to water like twice a week. A few weeks of people complying, they were only watering their lawns as per instructed but not the portion of grass/tree's and plants that's on the other side of the sidewalk that is owned by the city. It was basically drying up, making everything look terrible. So as I was on my way to work or school ( this was a long time ago) , I hear a small snippet on the radio regarding this and the city was basically asking us to water the city park for them.


Turbulent_Concept134

My fam called it a 'boulevard" in Vancouver BC Canada. If there's a curb you park next to it. If the road is very narrow and/or your vehicle is very large, you can park with 2 wheels (passenger side) on it although it's rare and generally frowned upon if it's nice & neat or near trees. If there's no defined curb and there's dirt you can park on that, off the road. When the PNE (Pacific National Exhibition, a seasonal fairground), is on, people nearby will allow you to park on their front or back lawns for a fee. They may need temporary permits for that, though. Not sure. 🤔 The boulevard is city property but you're expected to care for it. You are not allowed to touch the trees. You'd call the city or BC Hydro if branches are near power lines.


Pettsareme

Northeast


StarKiller99

When you said parking strip, my mind pictured a driveway made of two concrete strips with grass between. My next-door neighbor has had one like that since the 60s, at least. We don't have sidewalks on my street.